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Looksmaxxing (Premium E243) (1 of 2)
May 8, 2024

Looksmaxxing (Premium E243)

We dive into an online community hellbent on improving their physical appearance through bizarre techniques like pressing their tongue to the roof of their mouth, hitting themselves in the face, and taking experimental growth hormones. Originating in Pick Up Artist (PUA) and incel forums, "looksmaxxing" has since become a proper TikTok trend.

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Comments (110)

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Keti · February 28, 2025

man, i cant be surprised at the min/maxing or weird obtuse guides for this stuff because, like, when i was a teen, i obsessively looked at charts and classifying facial features (woman edition) and i was a dedicated ash lurker (alt.suicide.holiday) where we discussed the ideal methods of hanging yourself at home as well as research data on chemical lethality. outcast kids will find a way to be deeply weird about this stuff. the unpleasant part is the elaborate work done by lookmaxxers on declaring people subhuman. i wish they would just devote themselves to dark souls stat obsession.

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Henry C · November 7, 2024

Liv Agar

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Miracle Galston · May 20, 2024

Julian I'd like to hear you stop getting on Jake. His reference to a bike pump was a this.

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piffinpurp · May 19, 2024

Mewing made our local news today under the banner “ EXPERT CONCERNED SOCIAL MEDIA TREND 'MEWING' SHOWS UNHEALTHY FOCUS ON BODY IMAGE”

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David D. · May 19, 2024

I heard this episode today. And tonight our 9 year old daughter is having her 10 year old friend over for a sleepover (who has a cellphone and I think is more online that our not-yet-on-TikTok child). And I overhead my first mention of "mewing" in the wild. Fortunately, she seemed to be commenting on the face of a cartoon character in a show they were watching, so maybe they are still just kids? I don't know. Old.

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ts_babyjane · May 16, 2024

lol i don't think Jawmogged is too hard to understand, like incels used to call it cucking. like" wow, i'm heightcucking everyone in this room right now." or some shit idk

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ploob · May 20, 2024

Yes, actually relatively easy to understand, thank you

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Jan · May 14, 2024

So beauty vlogs for men are just pure insanity.

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MrSynAckSter · May 13, 2024

In the main episodes I miss the old theme song with the "I'm sorry boy" line. Was like, festive.

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turkeysWant2live · May 12, 2024

So did I get this right - incels coopted the term incels from disabled women, and then stole lookism from fat folk?

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Jess C · May 12, 2024

Thank YOU SO MUCH for the zoomer brainrot! I have been busy with Eurovision brainrot so it's so fun and cool to now inflict a different flavour of psychic damage upon myself

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Adrian Coburn · May 12, 2024

fontanelle, not patella. They do have a kneecap. Love your pod.

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good name haver · May 12, 2024

Love that scene in Fight Club where Ed Norton did bone smashing until he looked like Brad Pitt

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Evlin Virginia Hogan · May 11, 2024

I blame listening to this pod, I am not getting a suggested posts from lookmaxing on Reddit

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Last Years Man · May 11, 2024

Dude, if you hit your fucking chin, it shakes the fucking brain! That's literally why boxers aim for the fucking chin.

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Last Years Man · May 11, 2024

Gen X parents like me, everywhere, thank you Liv.

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12345 · May 11, 2024

The idea of taking exogenous testosterone during puberty is incredible really, because if done prematurely will lead to premature growth plate closure.

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Jonathan Fuentes · May 10, 2024

The ffxi deep cut was great!!!

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LensWipe · May 10, 2024

I like to scoff at this sort of stuff and laughed through the episode, but the bit toward the end where Liv mentioned this guy's chewing gum routine sent me back to high school. I was very insecure about my facial structure and jaw as all of the conventional beauty standards around me said that angular faces for men were beautiful, and here I am with a big round Irish-descended head. I'd do "neck ups" to make my double chin (and later loose skin) disappear and chew tons of gum because I thought it would define my jaw more, but it just gave me really defined jaw muscles lol. This episode brought a lot of old memories back. I think I'd have been just as susceptible to this stuff if I were growing up now. Poor kids.

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Last Years Man · May 14, 2024

You're liable to wind up with TMJ too if you're not careful.

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Neely McCormick · May 10, 2024

I watched a doc about the wacky orthodontists and knew the body modification trendies would latch on sooner or later.

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Ryan C · May 10, 2024

Julian was definitely thinking of "kermit sewer slide" around the 9 minute mark, also loved the comparison to a now unrepeatable aqua teen hunger force joke lmao

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bigphoton · May 10, 2024

I swear...if the wrong people told the right people to give themselves facials with an orbital sander, and brush their teeth with a wire brush chucked into a power drill they'd do it. Is it any wonder so many people think Trump is still POTUS?

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Charlie Mihelich · May 10, 2024

I think the phrase he was looking for was “sewer slide”?

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Rakish Tilt 🎩 · May 10, 2024

Also, here's a tip: tear the dead skin off your lips with your teeth for a plump, rich color

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Rakish Tilt 🎩 · May 10, 2024

Little did I know my anxiety disorder was helping me looksmaxx by instigating me obsessively chewing my cheeks my entire life.

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Landry · May 10, 2024

Thank God that Gen alpha is now mewing since it only works on young jaws. Doomed.

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William Allred · May 10, 2024

This made me look up if other forms of maxxing exist. If there is jestermaxxing and gymmaxxing, surely there must like gothmaxxing or emomaxxing as way to chase an aesthetic

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Storky · May 10, 2024

Did not except parasocially exfoliating Moist Critikal to be part of this episode

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Horse Badorties · May 10, 2024

I'm old, on Latanaprost to avoid glaucoma, and my naturally dark brown eyes are slightly darker as a result. But, don't try this at home.

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No Relation to Henry · May 10, 2024

This is not at all what Julian was thinking of, but in Spanish (albeit only in dialects that use vos as the informal second person singular pronoun instead of tú, so like Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, certain other regions of South America, and most of Central America) the toothpaste brand Colgate means “hang yourself.” Like literally, that precise spelling and the way that the brand is pronounced in Spanish is exactly the way you would tell someone (if addressing them as “vos”) to hang themself.

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Watson · May 10, 2024

I feel like a reference to /r/TrueRateMe on Reddit should have been included

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LAKE R▲DIO · May 11, 2024

That subreddit is so terrible and the mods are literal incel garbage people. For a while it seemed like Reddit was pushing that sub hard via recommendations. Such a vile place.

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Daniel Greene · May 10, 2024

The fact that "mewing" is even a known concept, let alone popular enough to be memed, is astounding to me. If and when I ever actually speak to a Zoomer someday I don't think we will even have a shared vocabulary.

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Elliott Wallace · May 9, 2024

I knew when Jake would mention Final Fantasy when he started talking about Mog

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Josep C. · May 10, 2024

Kupo!

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TalkieSoundBox · May 9, 2024

Also lol at the charlie speech at the end there. I will never understand why men want a giant Weiner. At a certain point you couldn't even use it . Women don't want horrifically painful sex. It just seems like men don't want to listen to what women actually say they want and instead would rather just assume themselves into forever alone status

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Claire Zimmermann · May 9, 2024

Kermit sewer slide

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The Hey Eliott Podcast · May 9, 2024

I thought I had anxiety, turns out I’ve been mewing the whole time.

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Garth Hansen · May 9, 2024

Love Liv ruining Julian's day

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J HUTCH · May 10, 2024

Liv Laugh Love

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SmolDickRich · May 9, 2024

Have any of these guys just tried to be funny and like? Nice??

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TalkieSoundBox · May 9, 2024

Did ..did you pay to be a part of their patreon just to say that?

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TheDeadman · May 9, 2024

If tiktok and social media were around when I was a teen, I would’ve killed myself. Fuck, I might kill myself after listening to this episode because it’s the best one you ever did and there’s no way it can get any better.

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TheFirstStormAndTheLast · May 9, 2024

But out of context, but I heard Mel Gibson mentioned so fair game. If anyone is reading this, please tell Jake to watch Dragged Across Concrete. Such a horrifically deranged message about policing, but so brilliantly Mel Gibson. Banger of a red pilled movie night.

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Nicole Price · May 9, 2024

Warning: auto Q isn’t good during lunch.

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TheDeadman · May 9, 2024

I'm physically and emotionally dead but it turned me on a bit. So don't listen during lunch with your coworkers.

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Melissa Humbert · May 9, 2024

All this forum migration makes me think of how terror groups get worse when we try to destroy them. Like how Islamic State formed when we tried to destroy Al Quaeda.

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S. Walker · May 9, 2024

Wow I was deep in this one a few years back. So appreciate the ep

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Cormac · May 9, 2024

Jake voice: "I mean, guys, we >had< Hot Or Not .com, this seems like a complex version of that"

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John Brown Jovi · May 9, 2024

Rope maxing sound cum related

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No Relation to Henry · May 10, 2024

That would be a lot better than what it actually is

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Neechay · May 9, 2024

what about kindness-mogging, kindness is what im most interested in when im thinking about starting a relationship with someone, how about they try kindness-maxxing, thoughtfulness-mogging some misogynist prick, lmao, totally slam dunked them into celibate hell with my big juicy empathy & compassion

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kayo · May 9, 2024

9min mark: the phrase is probably "kermit sewer slide"

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Don Lasagna · May 9, 2024

This brought up a memory from middle school circa 2007 that i used to punch myself in the stomach repeatedly because i saw a guiness book of world records about a guy who gets shot with cannonballs. Kind of worked. Maybe that was torsomaxxxing?

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Mickel Edwards · May 9, 2024

I think that’s from a Simpsons episode, as well

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Michael · May 9, 2024

There is actually a lot of evidence the modern (western) diet of primarily soft foods has led to a lot of issues. Including wisdom teeth needing to be removed, both because we used to lose more teeth, but also because we have literally underdeveloped jaws. This is well documented in native communities who have been forced to adopt a western diet of soft carbs and cooked soft meats

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Landry · May 10, 2024

My kid’s orthodontist explained exactly this. More kids need palate expanders than in the past because our diet is softer than it was in the past.

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monkey · May 9, 2024

I’m not being dismissive, but this type of manipulation has been happening to girls and women for ever.

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Ryan Henson · May 9, 2024

That is very true!

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Alex · May 9, 2024

Charles V was just looksmaxxing to get a Chad jawline. A true pre-modern baddy.

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postcard archives · May 9, 2024

As a follow up to this episode, can we get a Liv deep-dive into the femcel dating site?

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Sean Davie · May 9, 2024

THIS.

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Heather B · May 9, 2024

I teach 6th grade and the amount of Mewing talk is 😭😭😭😭 We need to ban tiktok 😂

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ALL GOOD ALL GOOD · May 9, 2024

All contemporary western culture is downstream from fascism. Deeply sick society.

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Maxim · May 9, 2024

Optimize your existence motherfucker

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Braonán · May 9, 2024

'jelking made my dick catawampus' at the end there took me out at the knees. Knocked it askew. Disheveled. Topsy-turvey. Like a crazy straw.

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Liam Harte · May 9, 2024

My twenty-one-year-old son has confirmed every word of this episode. So now I’m going to tell my students that they can IQ-mog each other after taking my class.

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Matt Dear · May 9, 2024

So Incel wiki exists, don't recommend it.

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Matt Dear · May 9, 2024

I truly hate Britain, I live here and I hate it, an awful place. Right on Julian, please please take me home with you and deliver me from this godforsaken rock.

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Metalupis · May 9, 2024

I love Liv brain rot episodes

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d'egg · May 9, 2024

she liv(e)s!

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Hank · May 9, 2024

Just had a enough time between 48 hour goon sessions to listen to this. Great episode. I'll be adding all of these things to my post goon routine so when I finally emerge from my self-imposed 3 year exile from the spare room of my Dad's condo I might look vaguely like those tiktok filters guys use. Huh? What's that? Oh, sorry all, got to go, all eight of my ultrawide 'goon-o-vision©™®' monitors have fired up again for the next sesh. I've just downed 12 eight hour energy drinks, careless whispers is on repeat, oh yeah baby, it's gooning time. Happy mewing all!

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Hank · May 9, 2024

This man is fibbing. We've gooned together and he sprains his wrist after 23 hours.

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Jon Lyons · May 9, 2024

Honestly this always just makes me think biomedical engineering & gene therapy can't collapse all of human biology into fashion fast enough. Let's just burn it all down and dance on the ashes with whatever number of legs or anything else you think is coolest.

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Fingerless · May 9, 2024

i suppose with all this y2k nostalgia, it's only natural that we're returning to the bush era body image disorder epidemic

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lyn · May 9, 2024

liv agar

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John Brandkamp · May 9, 2024

Liv!!!!

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Big Jug Hot Cheese · May 9, 2024

canthal tilt me like a pig

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Jeanne H-B · May 9, 2024

(Fontanel?)

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Shiv · May 9, 2024

thank you, i was patella-maxxing and it wasn’t working

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Nona · May 9, 2024

At the risk of stating the obvious, Foo-maxing's etymological origin derived from the august TTRPG concept of min-maxing, where "Foo" is whatever stat or skill you're optimizing around.

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GF · May 9, 2024

Clear evidence participation trophies do not work

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Mecha Streisand · May 9, 2024

Admittedly, I actually use Khechari mudra— pressing the tongue to the roof of the mouth— when practicing yoga. But it has absolutely nothing to do with looking better. It’s just a concentration thing. Please don’t roast me lol

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Shiv · May 9, 2024

I do this to help keep myself from clenching my jaw /gen (it helps!)

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Matt Navey · May 9, 2024

Yesss a liv episode

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Evlin Virginia Hogan · May 9, 2024

The whole time I thought PSL was pumpkin spice latte

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Misselenaus · May 9, 2024

Haha me too

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Wyrm · May 9, 2024

Actually bonesmashing is real it happened to squidward on SpongeBob

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Nicky G · May 9, 2024

I don’t want to get in a whole thing about mewing because it’s silly as hell, but orthodontic pallet expansion is absolutely a thing

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ChigBungus · May 9, 2024

“Leave us in the comments what kind of *eyes* you have.” Spoken by an artificial voice is genuinely chilling lol

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Smooth Shrek · May 9, 2024

This teacher is such an angry loser lol

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Mac-something · May 9, 2024

I wouldn’t say that, but I will acknowledge that complaining that teenagers are acting like little shits is like complaining about the occurrence of rain.

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Ben Aulick · May 9, 2024

I knew this was a Liv episode just from the title

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Rakish Tilt 🎩 · May 9, 2024

Mossimo- the wish version of Stüssy

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Schwartz666 · May 9, 2024

Sunday, SUNDAY, Sunday... Mewtoo vs Goku @ the SlutHate.com BeanBag Dome!! Be there, or be sofakingdead!!!

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Seb · May 9, 2024

I've never felt so old in my life

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Hank · May 9, 2024

Im sat here in complete befuddlement for nearly three quarters of the podcast. This stuff makes me not want to continue reading The Twittering Machine. Just destroy the entire social media side of the internet please

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ploob · May 9, 2024

Aww man, these poor kids don't stand a chance of rebuilding society from the irradiated ashes of this one 🫣

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Mac-something · May 9, 2024

Nah, they’ll be well prepared for the inevitable mad-maxery! 🤘

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MifsudZ · May 9, 2024

That teacher is big mad

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josh heffernan · May 9, 2024

That Jack in the box thing was the most this isn’t that ever

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lyn · May 9, 2024

so relatable tho

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bigphoton · May 9, 2024

I'm so beautiful people turn away from me....horrified they cannot compete with my beautifulnesses.... I'm so honest you can't believe me when I swear I'm lying.

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Dylan Scheller · May 9, 2024

Jake, I thought you'd be a Pokémon guy.

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Nicole Price · May 9, 2024

032010027582

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kctoo · May 9, 2024

All zoomer archetypes at their core are "be best or die"

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Overzealous Euthanasiast · May 9, 2024

My soul is ready to die. Again. A Timeless cycle. Oscillating torment denied its rightful entropy.

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Smooth Shrek · May 8, 2024

Forst

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Smooth Shrek · May 8, 2024

Omg today was my day this is more memorable than my marriage or birth of my first child!!