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Episode 272: Solar Eclipses And The Politics of Fear feat. Arthur Goldwag (1 of 2)
March 26, 2024

Episode 272: Solar Eclipses And The Politics of Fear feat. Arthur Goldwag

Americans sure love being paranoid. And they’re not always paranoid for sensible reasons, like ever-expanding corporate and governmental surveillance systems. Sometimes they’re paranoid about natural and predictable astronomical events. 

For this episode we discuss why the conspiracist world is fretting about the solar eclipse that will be seen across the United States on April 8th. We also chat with Arthur Goldwag, author of the recently published book The Politics of Fear: The Peculiar Persistence of American Paranoia. 

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/696775/the-politics-of-fear-by-arthur-goldwag/

Music by Pontus Berghe and Jake Rockatansky. Editing by Corey Klotz.

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Comments (81)

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D.Gu · July 16, 2024

Catching up to old premium episodes….. and Author predicting the shooting just have me chills

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C’mon · May 14, 2024

Just catching up… but wow. Really nailed it.

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Ian Story · April 16, 2024

I am almost a month late on listening. Arthur was one of the best guests in a long time. Great listen!

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Shifty Comfort · April 10, 2024

Thanks Jake for the skyrim reference

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Guy B. · April 4, 2024

I think there's no doubt about Mike Linddell: he's a true believer.

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Giant Gorg · April 3, 2024

The internet really has been an incredible boon for the dumbest person you knew in high school being able to sell themselves as a wise sage with esoteric knowledge.

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Matthew Copenhaver · April 3, 2024

Really fantastic interview. Have to dive more into Arthur’s work.

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Josep C. · April 3, 2024

Each side eats their own. It's not a particularly left exclusive thing. The only difference lies in you noticing it or if they are even caring to conceal it. As a specific example, I've seen my country's left and right eat their own leaders in a few years, and the styles don't vary much. You accuse them to be soft or fail the cause, some misdemeanor, and that makes them pariah. Unelectable. . Then the new aspiring pawn can walk into the spotlight.

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C’mon · April 5, 2024

I’m a vegetarian Leftist

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Ronin Fredricson · April 2, 2024

Yeah. With Trump, for quite a while now, (allthough I can of course be wrong) my impression is that he's not as much a crazy neo-nazi but rather that he simply does not care about anything or anyone but himself. That's not to say this makes him any better or worse, the outcome is the same, but I don’t think he has any real conviction. While he certainly is racist/homophobic/sexist/etc etc I don't get the sense he's particularly ideolocally driven. I don't think he's a zealot because being that requires ACTUALLY caring and I don't think he does.

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Big Drew · April 3, 2024

Do you think that the selfishness of Trump's motives makes him any less dangerous?

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Susie Kew · April 1, 2024

Fantastic episode, best interview ever

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misterr · March 31, 2024

One of your better episodes. You should have academic discussions more often!

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genrepunk · March 31, 2024

More importantly there's my Tav in Baldur's Gate 3

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Conner Rockett · March 28, 2024

This guy rocks. Gotta check out his work

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WillS · March 28, 2024

Hey boys, I feel like it is my Oregonian duty to let you know that the Civil War was the name for the rivalry game between the University of Oregon and Oregon State University up until a couple years ago. So the news broadcast was just comparing a football game to a more intense football game, though they were using the outdated name for the game. Anyways, great episode, as always, and Go Ducks! (The University of Oregon’s mascot).

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Lindsay · March 28, 2024

Being a cowardly wet noodle while purchasing a car is a boiled noodle problem rather than something analogous to intimate partner abuse or violence. The more you know 💫

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Laura Jacqueline · March 28, 2024

Jake, they didn't have potatoes in the Bible. That's a new world crop.

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Jeremy · March 27, 2024

Excellent episode! And I agree Jake’s insights were spot on! But Jake… You need to look up the meaning of neoliberalism. You’ve misused this term a few times in previous episodes. It’s not what you think it is. Neoliberalism is a right-leaning economic policy that favors deregulation, capitalism and free markets in the vein of Milton Friedman. It has nothing to do with a left/liberal socio-political ideology. In fact it’s more embraced by conservatives like Reagan than anyone. Yes, Dems like Bill Clinton embraced some neoliberal economic policies like free trade. But he was not a classical ‘neoliberal’ by definition. Think ‘libertarian’ more than Hillary ‘liberal’…

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No Relation to Henry · April 2, 2024

Hillary and Bill Clinton are 1000% also neoliberals. It’s the ideology that encompasses Reagan, the Clintons, and basically all of mainstream contemporary American politics.

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John Brandkamp · March 27, 2024

Huiven glaven!

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Ryan Heard · March 27, 2024

This episode is a disaster. Jake has no business interviewing anyone. His thoughts are always a jumbled mess and he tends towards an overly-deferential tone towards the guest which is the next problem: This decorum-pilled shitlib’s ultimate point was: “be a little nicer to people.” Just the most beautiful, smoothest brains imaginable. Not since you guys tried to normalize Jake Angeli, who would immediately restart his grift from it, has an episode been so shitty. Get it together guys. Edit: I almost forgot homeboy compared getting suckered by a used car salesman to being violently raped. Yikeseroo!

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Ryan Heard · March 27, 2024

Yep

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Chris ONeill · March 27, 2024

Does anyone else find it sad that we feel more enlightened than ancient civilizations who treated eclipses, and such, as messages from god, while there are millions of people who still believe in this nonsense?

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Shaxbert · March 27, 2024

I get the feeling HolyGhostCulture really wanted to put us on to something, but he really should point out which parts of his presentation are "interesting" more often.

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Grindizer · March 27, 2024

Even through a podcast Arthur comes out as a really nice guy 👍🏽

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Clean Shirt Piggie · March 27, 2024

Arthur reads Josh Marshall and watches msnbc. He’s “the left.”

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nocloo · March 27, 2024

This was an extremely content-rich episode with a very interesting guest! Thanks for the continued great work, QAA! 👍

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turkeysWant2live · March 27, 2024

"Subscribe right now if you want to learn more about Jesus and be ready when he comes back."

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Reece K Shaw · March 27, 2024

Really great commentary and analysis from Jake, we love personal growth :)

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Leyland · March 27, 2024

The guy was surprised at Bannon’s influence post Trump??? Where was he during gamergate?

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Samantha Coffin · March 27, 2024

Oklahoma Town is pronounced IDA -🛎️ and it is as bad as it sounds - unfortunately

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Steve McPhail · March 27, 2024

Great episode. J was missed. His cackles make my week. Also... Jake follows me on tiktok. 😉

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Dan sulin · March 27, 2024

It’s funny that one of the comments is “we had solar eclipse before and didn’t need the national guard”. I can’t speak for Oregon but I drove my family down from the Chicago burbs to Southern Illinois to see the eclipse last time and the aftermath of that was insane. Traffic was backed up so bad that we drove for 10 hours and only got about half way back. Normally the drive is about 6 hours. I won’t say eclipses aren’t bad omens though since I ended up developing a kidney stone on that trip and the pain kicked in right after I woke up from the tiny motel we found to stay the night in and I’m fairly certain the ER they sent me to was so rural that the doctors handled humans and horses.

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Paul Prince · March 27, 2024

400 times larger, and 400 times further away? I'd pushback on the 'started well' and say 'BS from start to finish'.

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Eric Quirk · March 27, 2024

I’m sorry, but I need to address the elephant in the room: has Julian been abducted by the Deep State?? Is he recovering after the Cabal drained his body of adrenochrome? Or has he been silenced by WEF minions in league with the NRO? We require, nay, demand answers!!1!

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Ryan Heard · March 27, 2024

Liv and Julian would’ve bodied this clown too hard so they were kept off the episode.

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John Boylan · March 26, 2024

The story of Jonah is, to say the very fucking least, weird. Guy gets on a boat, upsets God, convinces his fellow passengers it’s his fault, gets tossed overboard, swallowed whole by a giant fish which then decides to drop him off at Nineveh, Jonah then becomes the complete arsehole by walking through the city claiming doom & gloom. He’s so convincing, the king believes him and compels the populace to don sackcloth & ashes. This story has pile of pish written all over it. God’s either good or bad, not ambivalent or uncaring. If God’s bad, we’d all be in trouble If God’s good, we’d all be in trouble If this is all’s there is, fucking live!!!!!!!

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Jacob King · March 26, 2024

The whole point of the Jonah story is that God doesn’t destroy Nineveh. The religious fanatic, Jonah, comes preaching destruction and death and God’s like, why would I do that? Do you know how many people live here? We can go into the fantastical, satirical and allegorical elements of the text that strongly argue against a literal reading but it’s the dumbest choice for this kind of fear mongering. Also, no eclipse whatsoever. Ugh. I really liked Travis’s point about how these people don’t even think about epistemology or have a theory of truth. It’s actually a comfort and a reminder to stop looking for reason in the unreasonable.

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the gnome that hits you in the shin with an axe · March 26, 2024

that early clip with the gematria freak is exactly the kinda shit my boomer dad blasts across the house when he gets home from work lmao

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Vanessa Lucio · March 26, 2024

Great episode, Guys. Lots of food for thought 🤔

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Rakish Tilt 🎩 · March 26, 2024

"The Civil War" is what the game between Oregon State (Corvallis) and University of Oregon (Eugene, only 30 MI away) is called.

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Jeanne H-B · March 26, 2024

I am sooo excited about the eclipse, right here in Vermont! Yes, April in Vermont is most likely to be cloudy, maybe raining. We don’t care. It will get dark, and the birds will sing their lullabies. And I will cry, because of awe, and because my late husband and I had been looking forward to this eclipse for many years. I will be with our adult children and other lovely vaccinated nerds.

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turkeysWant2live · April 5, 2024

I don't know how legit it is but there seems to be a science video on Anton Petrovs yt about studies on unusual behaviour of other animals during eclipses. Since looking up at the sun is bad, maybe noticing insects freeze mid step would be a fun eclipse activity!

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Ryan Burkhardt · March 26, 2024

hahaha the Civil War is a reference to the rival Oregon St vs Oregon college football game. that what they call it.

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Smooth Shrek · March 26, 2024

Maybe I’m misunderstanding what’s being said but I gotta say: liberals are not on the left and history has many, many examples of what happens to leftists when they try to trust and rely on liberals. Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds

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Overzealous Euthanasiast · March 26, 2024

The tiktiok background music is just ripped straight from first Silent Hill movie main piano theme with the melody notes swapped to uninteresting places.

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ploob · March 26, 2024

Civil War reference! Wooh!

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The Belfast that Time Forgot · March 26, 2024

that was an amazing episode

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Smooth Shrek · March 26, 2024

Sending the Jman good vibes

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Claire · March 26, 2024

I’m pretty sure my thumb is bigger than the moon most nights!

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Claire · March 26, 2024

I’m an eclipse chaser! We are going from LA to San Antonio and bringing special binoculars to see the comet!

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Mark Francis · March 26, 2024

While Bannon was editor of Breitbart, I used to read the comment section to see what the crazies were saying. It was all turner diaries references to the day of the rope. Bannon is a piece of shit

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Cory Gipson · March 26, 2024

I just hope Julian is doing okay. I always worry when he’s been absent.

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Smooth Shrek · March 26, 2024

Same. Thinking about my fave nasty French guy right now

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BBQPanda · March 26, 2024

I'm no spaceologist but I’m pretty sure the sun is way larger than 400 moons

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alli moulton · March 26, 2024

My city (Erie, PA) is right in the eclipse path and I'm so excited

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Claire · March 26, 2024

One of the cool parts is when the birds stop

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Lauph1tup · March 26, 2024

Okay when the newscaster said like the civil war he was referring to the football game between the colleges in Eugene and Corvallis

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TJ Barke · March 26, 2024

I was gonna say.

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MC Laugh · March 26, 2024

Cats and dogs living together!

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MC Laugh · March 26, 2024

Just here to say that if you have the option to travel to the path of totality, it is just incredible. Well worth traveling for.

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Jennifer Kot · March 26, 2024

An amazing guest! The conversation helped clarify things that have been rolling around in my head the last few years.

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Antoine Leblanc · March 26, 2024

A small criticism: around the 1h mark, the guest talked about the pandemic as being in the past. Of course what they meant was pandemic *restrictions*; but the pandemic is far from over, even if restrictions have ended, and this distinction is very important.

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turkeysWant2live · April 5, 2024

YES!! Thank you for this. It's super important we resist the pandemic minimising (including flat denialism) that's being foisted upon us by those who profit from our labour (not to mention grifters who sell comforting conspiracy theories and antivax shite), and us speaking like the pandemic ended is one of the main ways we do their dirty work for them. The pandemic has not ended. This article is only from January 2024 with a warning from the WHO https://fortune.com/well/2024/01/12/covid-jn1-pandemic-world-health-organization-warns-dangers-repeat-covid-infection-cardiac-pulmonary-neurologic This is only year 5. I really hope we get some kind of better vaccines that severely limit spread and treatments for those already getting their lives ruined and everyone has access to them all. But in the meantime the best we're left with is vaccines, respirators and good luck.

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tbolls89 · March 26, 2024

I hope Julian is ok

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nocloo · March 26, 2024

Me too. Came here to say exactly that.

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Tanner McCullough · March 26, 2024

Hey guys, I totally understand it from a non-Oregonian perspective, but the civil war is what we call the game between OSU and UO. The newscaster was comparing the traffic to that, one of the most popular football games of the year.

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Rakish Tilt 🎩 · March 26, 2024

A surprising number of commenters are aware of this!

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Snickerdoodle · March 26, 2024

Jake and Travis are a dream team of insightful analysis from different perspectives. Today's interview with a great guest was fabulous. When Julian is on, Jake doesn't get to show his analytical chops. Jake has to defend and deflect from the resident jester. While I hope Julian is doing well, I also hope that when he returns, he stops taking shots at Jake so frequently.

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Sarah Wolf · March 26, 2024

So, Julian and Liv are responsible for the solar eclipse, right? You’re not going to cop to it, but YOU’RE NOT FOOLING ANY OF US.

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Last Years Man · March 26, 2024

The amount of discipline it must have taken for Jake not to make a "my name is jonah" reference is impressive. Also, Jake you really brought your A analysis game on this one. Well done.

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Fellow Worker · March 26, 2024

Also came here to say that I thought Jake did an exceptional job with the interview on this one! He’s been taking his Brain Force™️ pills for sure

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ResilientBastard · March 26, 2024

The number of Raising Cane’s locations the path of the eclipse will pass over? 666

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Jeanne H-B · March 26, 2024

This just feels so true. Bless you.

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Jordyn Clementi · March 26, 2024

Oh! Big context key here: the civil war is the very unfortunate name of the big football game between oregon state and university of oregon which is a massive deal in OR. That's what he's referring to.

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Cassie Owens · March 26, 2024

I just opened Patreon to comment the same thing!

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Serena the Secret Transgender Soldier · March 26, 2024

The Sun is 64.3 millions times the size of the moon.

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DrJRad · March 26, 2024

400 is referring to diameter. You must be talking about overall volume.

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Jordyn Clementi · March 26, 2024

Not gonna lie, the total solar eclipse I witnessed a few years ago (2017) was one of the most spiritual experiences I've ever had in my life. I cannot imagine being afraid of it. I was 45 minutes from the totality so I went to see it. It got 20 degrees colder for a few minutes. It was absolutely amazing.

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BBQPanda · March 29, 2024

it was amazing! i saw it on a kayak pulled up on a sandbar. i never thought about it like “movie special effects in real life” but thats exactly what it was like! I would imagine it would be a highly traumatic experience back in the days before we understood what eclipses are