Episode 272: Solar Eclipses And The Politics of Fear feat. Arthur Goldwag
Americans sure love being paranoid. And they’re not always paranoid for sensible reasons, like ever-expanding corporate and governmental surveillance systems. Sometimes they’re paranoid about natural and predictable astronomical events.
For this episode we discuss why the conspiracist world is fretting about the solar eclipse that will be seen across the United States on April 8th. We also chat with Arthur Goldwag, author of the recently published book The Politics of Fear: The Peculiar Persistence of American Paranoia.
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/696775/the-politics-of-fear-by-arthur-goldwag/
Music by Pontus Berghe and Jake Rockatansky. Editing by Corey Klotz.
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Comments (81)
Catching up to old premium episodes….. and Author predicting the shooting just have me chills
Just catching up… but wow. Really nailed it.
I am almost a month late on listening. Arthur was one of the best guests in a long time. Great listen!
Thanks Jake for the skyrim reference
I think there's no doubt about Mike Linddell: he's a true believer.
The internet really has been an incredible boon for the dumbest person you knew in high school being able to sell themselves as a wise sage with esoteric knowledge.
Really fantastic interview. Have to dive more into Arthur’s work.
Each side eats their own. It's not a particularly left exclusive thing. The only difference lies in you noticing it or if they are even caring to conceal it. As a specific example, I've seen my country's left and right eat their own leaders in a few years, and the styles don't vary much. You accuse them to be soft or fail the cause, some misdemeanor, and that makes them pariah. Unelectable. . Then the new aspiring pawn can walk into the spotlight.
I’m a vegetarian Leftist
Yeah. With Trump, for quite a while now, (allthough I can of course be wrong) my impression is that he's not as much a crazy neo-nazi but rather that he simply does not care about anything or anyone but himself. That's not to say this makes him any better or worse, the outcome is the same, but I don’t think he has any real conviction. While he certainly is racist/homophobic/sexist/etc etc I don't get the sense he's particularly ideolocally driven. I don't think he's a zealot because being that requires ACTUALLY caring and I don't think he does.
Do you think that the selfishness of Trump's motives makes him any less dangerous?
Fantastic episode, best interview ever
One of your better episodes. You should have academic discussions more often!
More importantly there's my Tav in Baldur's Gate 3
This guy rocks. Gotta check out his work
Hey boys, I feel like it is my Oregonian duty to let you know that the Civil War was the name for the rivalry game between the University of Oregon and Oregon State University up until a couple years ago. So the news broadcast was just comparing a football game to a more intense football game, though they were using the outdated name for the game. Anyways, great episode, as always, and Go Ducks! (The University of Oregon’s mascot).
Being a cowardly wet noodle while purchasing a car is a boiled noodle problem rather than something analogous to intimate partner abuse or violence. The more you know 💫
Jake, they didn't have potatoes in the Bible. That's a new world crop.
Excellent episode! And I agree Jake’s insights were spot on! But Jake… You need to look up the meaning of neoliberalism. You’ve misused this term a few times in previous episodes. It’s not what you think it is. Neoliberalism is a right-leaning economic policy that favors deregulation, capitalism and free markets in the vein of Milton Friedman. It has nothing to do with a left/liberal socio-political ideology. In fact it’s more embraced by conservatives like Reagan than anyone. Yes, Dems like Bill Clinton embraced some neoliberal economic policies like free trade. But he was not a classical ‘neoliberal’ by definition. Think ‘libertarian’ more than Hillary ‘liberal’…
Hillary and Bill Clinton are 1000% also neoliberals. It’s the ideology that encompasses Reagan, the Clintons, and basically all of mainstream contemporary American politics.
Huiven glaven!
This episode is a disaster. Jake has no business interviewing anyone. His thoughts are always a jumbled mess and he tends towards an overly-deferential tone towards the guest which is the next problem: This decorum-pilled shitlib’s ultimate point was: “be a little nicer to people.” Just the most beautiful, smoothest brains imaginable. Not since you guys tried to normalize Jake Angeli, who would immediately restart his grift from it, has an episode been so shitty. Get it together guys. Edit: I almost forgot homeboy compared getting suckered by a used car salesman to being violently raped. Yikeseroo!
Yep
Does anyone else find it sad that we feel more enlightened than ancient civilizations who treated eclipses, and such, as messages from god, while there are millions of people who still believe in this nonsense?
I get the feeling HolyGhostCulture really wanted to put us on to something, but he really should point out which parts of his presentation are "interesting" more often.
Even through a podcast Arthur comes out as a really nice guy 👍🏽
Arthur reads Josh Marshall and watches msnbc. He’s “the left.”
This was an extremely content-rich episode with a very interesting guest! Thanks for the continued great work, QAA! 👍
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Really great commentary and analysis from Jake, we love personal growth :)
The guy was surprised at Bannon’s influence post Trump??? Where was he during gamergate?
Oklahoma Town is pronounced IDA -🛎️ and it is as bad as it sounds - unfortunately
Great episode. J was missed. His cackles make my week. Also... Jake follows me on tiktok. 😉
It’s funny that one of the comments is “we had solar eclipse before and didn’t need the national guard”. I can’t speak for Oregon but I drove my family down from the Chicago burbs to Southern Illinois to see the eclipse last time and the aftermath of that was insane. Traffic was backed up so bad that we drove for 10 hours and only got about half way back. Normally the drive is about 6 hours. I won’t say eclipses aren’t bad omens though since I ended up developing a kidney stone on that trip and the pain kicked in right after I woke up from the tiny motel we found to stay the night in and I’m fairly certain the ER they sent me to was so rural that the doctors handled humans and horses.
400 times larger, and 400 times further away? I'd pushback on the 'started well' and say 'BS from start to finish'.
I’m sorry, but I need to address the elephant in the room: has Julian been abducted by the Deep State?? Is he recovering after the Cabal drained his body of adrenochrome? Or has he been silenced by WEF minions in league with the NRO? We require, nay, demand answers!!1!
Liv and Julian would’ve bodied this clown too hard so they were kept off the episode.
The story of Jonah is, to say the very fucking least, weird. Guy gets on a boat, upsets God, convinces his fellow passengers it’s his fault, gets tossed overboard, swallowed whole by a giant fish which then decides to drop him off at Nineveh, Jonah then becomes the complete arsehole by walking through the city claiming doom & gloom. He’s so convincing, the king believes him and compels the populace to don sackcloth & ashes. This story has pile of pish written all over it. God’s either good or bad, not ambivalent or uncaring. If God’s bad, we’d all be in trouble If God’s good, we’d all be in trouble If this is all’s there is, fucking live!!!!!!!
The whole point of the Jonah story is that God doesn’t destroy Nineveh. The religious fanatic, Jonah, comes preaching destruction and death and God’s like, why would I do that? Do you know how many people live here? We can go into the fantastical, satirical and allegorical elements of the text that strongly argue against a literal reading but it’s the dumbest choice for this kind of fear mongering. Also, no eclipse whatsoever. Ugh. I really liked Travis’s point about how these people don’t even think about epistemology or have a theory of truth. It’s actually a comfort and a reminder to stop looking for reason in the unreasonable.
that early clip with the gematria freak is exactly the kinda shit my boomer dad blasts across the house when he gets home from work lmao
Great episode, Guys. Lots of food for thought 🤔
"The Civil War" is what the game between Oregon State (Corvallis) and University of Oregon (Eugene, only 30 MI away) is called.
I am sooo excited about the eclipse, right here in Vermont! Yes, April in Vermont is most likely to be cloudy, maybe raining. We don’t care. It will get dark, and the birds will sing their lullabies. And I will cry, because of awe, and because my late husband and I had been looking forward to this eclipse for many years. I will be with our adult children and other lovely vaccinated nerds.
I don't know how legit it is but there seems to be a science video on Anton Petrovs yt about studies on unusual behaviour of other animals during eclipses. Since looking up at the sun is bad, maybe noticing insects freeze mid step would be a fun eclipse activity!
hahaha the Civil War is a reference to the rival Oregon St vs Oregon college football game. that what they call it.
Maybe I’m misunderstanding what’s being said but I gotta say: liberals are not on the left and history has many, many examples of what happens to leftists when they try to trust and rely on liberals. Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds
The tiktiok background music is just ripped straight from first Silent Hill movie main piano theme with the melody notes swapped to uninteresting places.
Civil War reference! Wooh!
that was an amazing episode
Sending the Jman good vibes
I’m pretty sure my thumb is bigger than the moon most nights!
I’m an eclipse chaser! We are going from LA to San Antonio and bringing special binoculars to see the comet!
While Bannon was editor of Breitbart, I used to read the comment section to see what the crazies were saying. It was all turner diaries references to the day of the rope. Bannon is a piece of shit
I just hope Julian is doing okay. I always worry when he’s been absent.
Same. Thinking about my fave nasty French guy right now
I'm no spaceologist but I’m pretty sure the sun is way larger than 400 moons
My city (Erie, PA) is right in the eclipse path and I'm so excited
One of the cool parts is when the birds stop
Okay when the newscaster said like the civil war he was referring to the football game between the colleges in Eugene and Corvallis
I was gonna say.
Cats and dogs living together!
Just here to say that if you have the option to travel to the path of totality, it is just incredible. Well worth traveling for.
An amazing guest! The conversation helped clarify things that have been rolling around in my head the last few years.
A small criticism: around the 1h mark, the guest talked about the pandemic as being in the past. Of course what they meant was pandemic *restrictions*; but the pandemic is far from over, even if restrictions have ended, and this distinction is very important.
YES!! Thank you for this. It's super important we resist the pandemic minimising (including flat denialism) that's being foisted upon us by those who profit from our labour (not to mention grifters who sell comforting conspiracy theories and antivax shite), and us speaking like the pandemic ended is one of the main ways we do their dirty work for them. The pandemic has not ended. This article is only from January 2024 with a warning from the WHO https://fortune.com/well/2024/01/12/covid-jn1-pandemic-world-health-organization-warns-dangers-repeat-covid-infection-cardiac-pulmonary-neurologic This is only year 5. I really hope we get some kind of better vaccines that severely limit spread and treatments for those already getting their lives ruined and everyone has access to them all. But in the meantime the best we're left with is vaccines, respirators and good luck.
I hope Julian is ok
Me too. Came here to say exactly that.
Hey guys, I totally understand it from a non-Oregonian perspective, but the civil war is what we call the game between OSU and UO. The newscaster was comparing the traffic to that, one of the most popular football games of the year.
A surprising number of commenters are aware of this!
Jake and Travis are a dream team of insightful analysis from different perspectives. Today's interview with a great guest was fabulous. When Julian is on, Jake doesn't get to show his analytical chops. Jake has to defend and deflect from the resident jester. While I hope Julian is doing well, I also hope that when he returns, he stops taking shots at Jake so frequently.
So, Julian and Liv are responsible for the solar eclipse, right? You’re not going to cop to it, but YOU’RE NOT FOOLING ANY OF US.
The amount of discipline it must have taken for Jake not to make a "my name is jonah" reference is impressive. Also, Jake you really brought your A analysis game on this one. Well done.
Also came here to say that I thought Jake did an exceptional job with the interview on this one! He’s been taking his Brain Force™️ pills for sure
The number of Raising Cane’s locations the path of the eclipse will pass over? 666
This just feels so true. Bless you.
Oh! Big context key here: the civil war is the very unfortunate name of the big football game between oregon state and university of oregon which is a massive deal in OR. That's what he's referring to.
I just opened Patreon to comment the same thing!
The Sun is 64.3 millions times the size of the moon.
400 is referring to diameter. You must be talking about overall volume.
Not gonna lie, the total solar eclipse I witnessed a few years ago (2017) was one of the most spiritual experiences I've ever had in my life. I cannot imagine being afraid of it. I was 45 minutes from the totality so I went to see it. It got 20 degrees colder for a few minutes. It was absolutely amazing.
it was amazing! i saw it on a kayak pulled up on a sandbar. i never thought about it like “movie special effects in real life” but thats exactly what it was like! I would imagine it would be a highly traumatic experience back in the days before we understood what eclipses are
