EARLY EPISODE: Lord Byron: Part 2

This episode needed animal facts.

BIONICLES MENTIONED????

BIONICLE MENTION LET'S GO High-fiving Tom for that joke

in history’s greatest case of irony, Byron died in large part because he had no knowledge of the medical science that the aincient Greeks he worshipped had, and also didn’t eat anything from the place he was because he was an aristocratic dipshit

MON BI–ONCLE EST TRÈS RACISTE

Gymnasium Nightmares: “oh hi, you wanna talk about this workout? ••• so anyways, I’m basically certainly a war criminal many times over and probably wanted in multiple international jurisdictions…” “…right”

Byron upon arriving in Greece as a champion warrior poet: “hewwwow!!! *immediately dies of “they didn’t invent being a doctor yet” syndrome*” all you legends: “typical FNGs getting themselves killed”

When lord Byron goes to see neutral milk hotel because he believes that's where the "Two headed boy" is.

The Jabhat Al-Neutral bit is on point with that basically being how ISI (pre-ISIS ISIS) made Al-Nusra.

In how contemporary history was taught to me in Political Science, the way the philohellene movement influenced the British press and from there the British government, is considered as the birth of modern public opinion. British foreign policy wanted to prop up the Ottoman Empire, because any of its losses would benefit the powers of the Holy Alliance, thus destabilizing the European theater.

Lord Byron dies* “wait whys there still 30 minutes left”

Nate

Can I just say it's GREAT to hear people being harshly critical of Christopher Hitchens. Even when he was alive I thought he was a smug, sexist pig, but it was a difficult opinion to have because... HITCHENS.

What level is your lagoon?

When a mosquito bites your dick that's called a Hoboken Blowjob.

FYI, I didn't see anywhere to enter your discount code when buying a gift membership as an existing member. Not that I begrudge you guys an extra $15!

I only know about the music side of things as far as the Ionian islands but it's more accurate to say that their music was more Italian rather than less Ottoman. Greek Traditional music has a lot more in common with Iranian music or Arabic music than it does with at least the type of Italian influenced Greek music in the Ionian islands (think the Zorba the Greek song.) What we think of today as Turkish music was heavily influenced by Greek, Iranian and Armenian music. If you listen to central Asian Turkic music, it slaps, but it doesn't sound very "middle eastern", while a lot of Greek traditional music does, and by all available evidence did before the Ottoman conquest. Basically Metaxas considered the parts of Greek culture that seemed "Eastern" to be an Ottoman imposition, but in reality, there's been bidirectional. cultural exchange between Greeks and various "Eastern" cultures for thousands of years.

We need an “Everything Is Albanian” shirt now.

I'm glad morality has evolved. People say that we shouldn't judge people in the past by modern moral standards, but fuck that, I'm a moral relativist, and I'm coming down on Lord Byron like a moral relativistic kill missile.

I'm sure ol' James Workshop was thinking Byron when they cooked up Slaanesh. My favorite story from that war is when some British guy shows up and tries to give a rousing speech from Homer in ancient Greek to the rebels. They just stood there wondering: "what the fuck language is that?"

Had carbonara for lunch today because of this episode

It's all this shit that's the reason I can't even tolerate joking racism and nationalist hatred. It always leads back to the worst atrocities humanity can commit. I don't care how funny Balkan memes are, deep down that's coming from a place of genocidal intent. It's always "Haha, Bosniacs, God is a Serb, Greeks invented yogurt", and ends with civilians being massacred. I hate all nationalism.

I like Panic! too Joe, although I think we are very similar in age, liked them in high school and looked them up again and yeah still slaps

Legendarily annoying.

43:07 I was *just* starting to think there might be some better context to what happened at Smyrna in 1922. Nope, not that there is ever any kind of 'even' when it comes to ethnic cleansing. At the end of the day it's always a justification to pillage, regardless of what the boots on the ground are saying or even believe is going on

Bunch of masters of the air series was cut down from the book in part because of Covid. Chuck Yagar shooting down jets. the firebombing of Hamburg and Dresden and a bunch more was cut that would have made the show more intriguing.

best simile at ~29:00 AND ONE DAY WE WILL DIE BENEATH SYRIAN SKIES FOR THE GLORY OF THE CALIPHAAAAAAATE

love that the intro makes Byron sound like he larped a 40k Rogue Trader

The fucking Bionicle reference in the first 5 minutes. Took me right the fuck out.

Needless to say the modern day history curiculum focuses a lot in the war of independence with heavy focus in the ottoman attrocities, at least when I grow up. Fun fact, there is a city called Βύρωνας (sounds like Vironas) just outside of Athens which is named after Byron.

CARBONARA IS MAXE WITH GUANCIALE NOT PANCETTA GET IT RIGHT

I learned this from my dad who’s an American Italy weeb so take it with a grain of pepper, but I think the word “carbonara” is a reference to flecks of coal dust falling off of coal miners represented by the cracked pepper, so the word actually would be closely related to the carbonari with their torches. That said, I’ve also read that carbonara was invented by a restaurant chef in like 1975, so the reference was always fake.

Oh I feel Tom about the LotR stuff. I am around his age so I also grew up with the big media blitz with the films but was too young to really find them interesting (I explicitedly remember helping my mom get groceries while my older brother and father were at the opening night of Return of the King) and then was soured more towards them due to my brother constantly putting the extended editions on for background noise. Ironically I have seen all the hobbit movies as my dad took me to them (by this point my brother stopped liking to do things with our parents so I was the replacement goldfish) And those movies did not help my general disinterest in LotR since they are just kind of ehhhh (and I know the original trilogy is better but again. I dont have a big interest so. Shrugs) Also similarly to Nate and especially Joe, I also had teachers reccommend me books and ask me questiond about it as a way to encourage a 'gifted' student without a program. I got off lucky though, no real book report and the books I was given was To Kill A Mockingbird (8th grade) and Lord of the Flies (9th grade) and i enjoyed both.

With Nate talking how many people being weeb towards ancient greek in the 19th century reminds me of podcast "our fake history" on sparta and to extended ancient greece. Recommend that podcast

This one was pretty fuckin rough. Gonna need yall to bring back some type of fun fact. Also Joe thanks for being the way you are makes me feel less weird about also growing up with a shit start.

Yo Patty Schemel is still alive! Wrote a pretty decent book about it all.

Would definitely like to hear more about the wars of independence from the Ottoman Empire. Though „like“ might be the wrong word. I’m sure, they were as brutal as this one.

Modern day LARP with spartan helmets to battle in Greece is people who go as spectators to the tennis wearing literal tennis whites and trainers Look I know we come into LLBD with a general sense of caution but….Oh boy anyone not in a space to hear some horrible shit might want to skip for about 10 mins around 35 mins in

On the ‚mountains…‘ stanza; Flanders and Swann gag: „and i look up to the Greeks, and the Greeks look down on me."