BONUS: The Insane Story of Jonathan Idema
Jonathan Idema, a former Green Beret (kind of) turned conman, grifter, and media personality created a freelance, private torture prison in Afghanistan all while managing to convince several people in multiple governments that he was legit in one of the weirdest stories from America's Global War on Terror.
Sources:
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/the-shadow-warrior-jack-idema-232967/
https://www.npr.org/transcripts/4656837?ft=nprml&f=12968368
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/mercenaries-dupe-isaf-soldiers-in-afghanistan-1.483341
https://web.archive.org/web/20041027110556/http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies204.htm
https://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/11/world/portrait-of-a-us-vigilante-in-afghanistan.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20061220222235/https://www.cjr.org/issues/2005/1/blake-soldier.asp
https://www.cjr.org/the_kicker/rip_jonathan_jack_idema_media.php
Comments (65)
Had to come back here just to say “everyone leans left in the end” has been in my head everyday since this was posted
"Short guy" - "5"9" Maybe to you, Joe. No way Idema was that tall.
Took psychic damage from “PooKeepSee”
I so feel you 😂
Joe, how were you an emt but didn't pay attention in your stem classes? lol
There is a red hook in downstate ny near poughkeepsie. He did not have a training camp in brooklyn
Partway through, I realized I knew this story. Oki's weird story made a youtube documentary in 2022. It was wild and this podcast was a much more pleasant experience. Oki does great interviews but lacks the Unc energy that tom contributes
The name Poughkeepsie is of Native American origin, so I’d avoid calling it dumb. We have a lot of places on the East Coast that use the Native American names for certain places.
“In Prussia they proceed from the principle that no kind of occupation can demean a soldier, as long as it brings in money” Guibert, 1773. CiC says bustin for the camera is honest work boys.
Lol my dad supplies pot (and probably cocaine) to his brother who was in the army at about the same time - he was out himself but he was everyone's best friend because of that.
Pu-kip-see Not Poooo-keeep-seeee
Often heard that first sound made like 'dough' with a p. Pough.
I had no idea that's how Lux Interior died. I thought he just died from some heart condition.
Asserting that robbing a bank without shooting someone is a victimless crime, is wildly ignorant and immature. I have a friend who deals with brutal post traumatic stress from one such situation.
It's fine if you're a gentleman about it.
Died hated so much nobody claimed the body. Me: Just like my grandpa!
This guy was a first ballot hofer dudes rock guy until all the DV and torture.
When LLBD promises an “insane story,” you can take it to the bank (or private torture prison).
Waiting for the next straight to streaming true crime Jeffrey Dahmer series to include Nate’s Dad. Who would be the best actor?
You spend time in Islip in the 90s, Nate? Go to that big ass beige mall with the fake stone facade, with the sky bridge that led to the arcade?
It will forever be called Pookkipsey from now on.
Grew up in Fayetteville, Nate’s assessment of “it wouldn’t exist if Ft. Bragg wasn’t there” is entirely correct.
so, what have we learned? Nate has 2 degrees of separation from both J. Cole and Jeffrey Dahmer… Apparently you can do basically whatever the fuck you want with zero consequences for decades as long as you’re a white American guy who knows how to talk like a special forces soldier… damn…
The wall locker is based asf, but throwing it out the 3rd story window with the narc in it?!? did anyone get courtmartialed for that??
NOT BOOFMAN!!
…no shit… wow, Nate, dude… that’s a HELL of a realization
“just sit tight we’re gonna get you to Jeff the medic” “absolutely not” “dude you just broke a fucking rib you’re going to the medic” “ABSOLUTELY. FUCKING. NOT!SIR.”
“The ballad of the –WORST FUCKING SONG IN HISTORY GOD DAMN!!!
The ABC would have no doubtedly done something dodgy like that. Then of course they did have a moment of doing something decent when uncovering a bunch of war crimes in Afghanistan from leaks about the Australian SAS.
pretty sure at age 12 I still wanted to be an ornithologist and/or an astronaut(Star Trek or Dr. Who character lol)
AW FUCK OFF ITS NOT A STUPID TOWN NAME, YOURE A STUPID TOWN NAME🙄
Pā–Kip(like the last name)-çi cmon yall…🤦 😆☠️
ah yes, the “pls don’t die” cords/buttons in nursing home and some hospital bathrooms. It’s like what you pull to get the bus or train to stop, but way more high stakes
I dodged a fair amount of Mtn. Dew growing up… only ever had a few, though Mtn. Dew still became a nickname of mine for a while jsut because I said it weird in my slightly different hillbilly accent than the other hillbillies
and yeah… code red was a bit of a thing there…
juggalo make the best American medical care providers, why? they’re down with slashes, budget or otherwise
holy shit I wrote this before I even heard the end of the joke, pre-cog’d that shit lmao
This episode provides an important PSA: Yes, “Be Gay Do Crime” …just not *war* crimes.
very true…
Nate I’m gonna need you to run that by us again because WHAT
When my dad was a kid my grandfather was stationed at Fort Bragg/Liberty/Bragg/? and he and his friends stumbled across a mock Vietnamese village the Berets were using to train and they got the hell out of there as soon as they realized what it was.
Nate, please sell your Boofman OC to Marvel. If RDJ can return to the franchise in a different role for $80mil so can Stellan Skarsgaard. Or a reanimated Robert Redford.
Wait, 5’9” is Short King territory now? All kings no mayors then. I agree 5’9” is not tall but that’s because the literal *average* height of US males. I get that special forces have a sexual- I mean, operational preference for above-average-height people, but are the two genders really Green Beret and Short King?
Someone tell Tom about Fayettenam. Speaking as a community college professor, it deserves it
what’s Fayettenam?
So many crimes and HIV infections could have been prevented by just locking the clown up
Also true of bill Clinton!!!
Gotta love Nate's dad lore. He's been close to Dahmer and in Korea during the dmz axe murder.
He sounds like some kind of bizarro Forest Gump of fucked up historical events
An acquaintance of mine was approached post-high school about doing some solo videos of the sort discussed. His mistake was telling us about the $2,000 offer (in 1998). We did not let him forget that for the rest of the year. Buying a burger? Dude, you should save your $2,000 for the future, and it got worse from there.
Jesus Christ, this guy is genuinely sociopathic.
Tom and Nate just chose violence this morning
INSANE Nate lore reveal.
I've been to Fayetteville several times for SCA reasons. The entire SCA group at the time was guys from the 82nd Airborne, Air force members from the base adjacent to Bragg and a few very frightening guys who were operators with non regulation mustaches.
No Poughkeepsie slander will be tolerated. Home of Bill Duke, Mindforce and a whole bunch of heroin. Also, it’s pronounced “puh-kip-see”.
Thank you! I’m not American but I was sure it isn’t pronounced pur-keep-sea, but they kept saying it... I mean, Joe and place names is a crapshoot, but Nate too? I mean, I have *no idea* why I would care either way, but the vindication is real. Go [insert favored Poughkeepsie sports team]!
Only America would create a for-profit freelance torture prison.
My fiancees ex-husband. His dad died from auto erotic affiliation. He sounded like a piece o f shit much like his son. Rest in piss.
As someone from the Poughkeepsie area, it’s killing me hearing yall talk about it. Red Hook is a tiny town near Poughkeepsie, not the neighborhood in Brooklyn Nate is talking about.
Came here just to say this lmao
HOLY SHIT. That is some crazy lore your dad dropped, Nate
I thought they did this guy, I can’t remember where I actually heard of him. Maybe Behind the Bastards.
A live show episode.
I love when Tom makes both Nate and Joe groan while he cackles.
Been waiting for this one forever.
