EARLY EPISODE: The Modoc War

Forcing people into open air concentration camps and then slowly stealing their land piecemeal. Where have I heard that before? It's almost as if this is a time honored tradition of settlers.

I can't help but notice the parallels of doctrine and the failures thereof between this and American efforts in Vietnam. The concentration camps/reservations/strategic hamlets, the blind attacking into difficult terrain, the assembling a perimeter and enemy slips through, etx

I was so proud of my students yesterday. I taught the long walk of the Navajo a few months back. I’m now teaching the Armenian genocide and they made a direct comparison of what happened.

What wàs the "anal glands of a deer" comment about?? How did native Americans use them against the enemy? Pls halp 🙏🏻

There is no way the Donner Party tasted good. They were starving so you know that meat had to be stringy as hell.

That's the first time I've heard the phrase, "Tubal-cain" outside of "Newsradio".

This is Free State of Jefferson territory lol

Worked a register for a bike shop awhile ago. Lady came in rambling about nuclear reactors at the Denver Int'l Airport, the UN cutting the world population in half, chemtrails, etc etc until my boss kinda shooed her away. Only later did I realize that boss regularly indulged those kinda nuts and I was just in the line of fire for the nonsense.

The lady asking for the fudge is grim like watching a slow sepaku

As someone born in Humboldt county, CA and who has spent the vast majority of my life in that area, I am ashamed to admit I have never even heard of the Modoc War. I spent a ton of time around a few of the smaller tribes in the area, and am familiar with the Mendocino "War" and others, but our education on this is truly terrible, which is saying something considering I went to a highschool that was almost 50% native. Also, hearing Hoopa mentioned by Nate almost made me fall out of my chair!

"Always Coming Home" mentioned! Great book.

The only Tubal Cain mine I've heard of is here in the Olympic Mountains in Washington. You can visit it and a crashed B17 on the same day hike if you're ever in the area.

Never knew the US military fought that guy with the huge head

Thanks very much guys. Great history here and always great humor. I don't know the answer either. I would've thought that teaching and talking about the holocaust very hot. Various holocaust would make things better but I think in some ways it's making it all worse. I don't know.

Since they are doing west coast history. I hope you guys do pig war. It quite something

My experience with the Colorado education system was similar to Nates in New Mexico. A very sanitized version of US history but the school had much more freedom in regards to state history were we lurned about the sand creek and Ludlow massicures and the various miner strikes that happened during the gold rush era.

As an external add of a New York American on to the end of the episodes monologue. I'd have to say this show and we'll there's your problem have taught me more about the world and other countries than anything my government has ever taught me, but my high school did have a decent Native American studies program interesting enough.

It is not true that all landlords become bustards, I knew someone who inherited some apartments, he lived in one of the units that was empty. Tried to be a nice guy, ended up running out of money, and had to sell them to bastards who jacked up rent. You either become a bastard or find a real job.

Imagine somehow Trump flubs the whole new American fascism thing and JD Vance gets into office and is immediately ordered to present America's sepuku poem to God and that's how we get landback

Also, my hometown was the capitol of Russian America, Sitka Alaska. If you want more Native vs Colonizer history, check out the history of that town (called Novo Archangelsk by the Russians)

Oh hey, I *just* started Parable of the Sower and discovered it takes place right now so I'm reading on the date things happen (unless there's a fifty year time jump or something)

Also, shoutout to my fellow Northern Californians (Bay Area here, obviously not as far North as where the events described in this episode took place but still).

Re: Nate’s bit about “Northern Californian Kurdistan”, apparently a lot of people in Turkey believe that Native Americans are Turkic in origin—a theory that doesn’t work chronologically in terms of human migration patterns out of Central Asia, but obviously that doesn’t stop people from believing it…

so what im getting here is that jefferson davis is just the alan smithee of american military history

If only the white man had a cold can of white Monster.

Learned about both Klamath and Modoc from Fallout.

It is fun when you cover what will later be known through Marvel.

They built my highschool where 4 Modoc POW's were assassinated by Oregon militia. Grew up on the Lost River. Been to the lava beds hundreds of times. Shit hits hard when you realize your whole community, your whole life, was built on stolen land. We also had one of the largest Japanese internment camps ever built. But never a formal education on any of it.

Prequel to the Bitch Wars, but somebody misspelled mudak.

*Sigh* Puts down Coffin Troopers before I finish. Picks up Always Coming Home

A formal apology was issued to the First People in Australia in 2007. It is considered incredibly powerful to have injustice, abuse and trauma formally acknowledged, particularly given the previous Prime Minister said he couldn't see that anything wrong had been done. I agree with Joe, though, that an apology means nothing if it isn't followed up with action to alleviate the wrongs. While we've made some positive steps, we too have a LONG way to go. For instance, we still have to come to grips with our version of the residential system, and we don't have any treaties. Though given the way treaties were and are routinely ignored, I'm hoping one will be negotiated that has teeth.

Your impeccable release schedule is incredibly comforting Joe ❤️