Status update Episode 9

It took them FOUR YEARS to respond to a simple request? It sounds like they didn't care until the game got "big".

Just seeing this and ouch.. a piece of me got ripped out with this news. They were definitely a opener to this style of punk for me

Esto duele muchisimo

It's so sad that you had to remove those songs, i think the 'Amsterdam' was the perfect song for the cutscene with Derek when you walk in the school in your jackets for the first time, but i guess it is what it is. The game is great regardless keep up the good work man!

I'm a lawyer and, depending on a couple of small details, I am fairly confident that you have a legal right to continue using their music, regardless of their attempted withdrawal of consent. I understand you want to be friendly, but I would personally argue it is nasty of The Friday Prophets to benefit financially out of this situation and then cut you out of it. If you change your mind about this and want to explore whether or not you have a legal right to use this music, please let me know. I am happy to help without payment.

finally checked all their songs that were in the game... damn, liked them all; oh well, their loss

I always get this nostalgic feeling when I start the game after not playing it for a while. This was the first AVN I ever played, and for me it's still the gold standard by which I rate all the others. The intro song was iconic, simply the perfect song to set the proper mood for the game. I'm sad to see it go.. 😔

Just throwing this out there, but of the songs currently in the game I think Summertime-My Heart would be the best replacement for the main theme. Punk Rock Flu captured the feel of the game so well, but I think this one would be acceptable.

Could you just let us know which songs to play for various scenes? Then we could stream them ourselves. Maybe make us some playlists? That way, the artist gets their 2 cents per song (or whatever streaming services pay these days) and we get our music. :) I assume Ren'Py isn't capable of telling spotify to stream songs, which is a shame.

I’m an audio engineer/music composer and punk rock is my specialty so if you want me to whip up a lil summ I gotchu 🤌🏽

I respect your decision to respect their copy right and avoid a legal battle, but after 4 years you have a strong case for implicit consent. After contacting them so long ago, implementing the songs into your game, and them receiving benefit from the usage, for them to now say they never intended for you to use it in such a way is unjustifiable. There is a difference between being respectful and allowing yourself to be bullied. It is like if you asked someone if they are going to eat their sandwich and if not can you have it. They fail to answer and walk away from the table. You take the sandwich they left behind and then a week later they insist you pay for the sandwich because they didn't intend for you to eat it. They now see value in a song that in large part you gave value to and now want to remove you from being able to use it.

Wow, do they not realise the global reach this AVN has done for their music? They were literally unknown to me until I heard the songs in this AVN. Do they think they are some big main stream success and want big bucks for their music? Such a shame as I enjoyed the songs that were in the game for sure! Multiple great tracks that fit perfect in this AVN but hey it's their loss too as they will lose exposure to new players of B.A.D. I am sure you will find alternative replacements but I guess it still will be difficult updating the game with replacement songs that are right for each scene. Anyway keep up the good work DPC, I hope you realise how much people truly appreciate and love your work! I am a huge fan and can't wait for Ep9! All the best TJ (UK)

I can't express how sad this makes me. All of their music was so iconic within the game. I went and checked out their other music and songs purely BECAUSE I heard their songs here in Being a DIK. I wish there was a way to express to them how much we enjoy their music in the game, how much of a difference it makes, and maybe some way to license or compensate them. I guess this won't happen though. Something imperceptible is lost with this. After patching my game, it just doesn't feel the same starting up anymore. I know you did the best you could, and it's certainly not on you, but I am sad nonetheless.

My compliments on handling this issue well; too bad at least P.R.F. couldn’t be agreed on, truly a bummer 😢 However B.A.🔺Is so much bigger than one song, your work is phenomenal and I look forward to all the journeys your taking us on.

Yeah, this is definitely a bit of a dick move on their part, but I think DPC is handling it with a lot of class. I’d never heard of these guys before this game, and I’m sure some other band I haven’t heard of will be thrilled to get a BUNCH of new followers.

I was kinda hoping for "At a Medium Pace" by Adam Sandler.

Damn, Amsterdam and Social Wreck were among my few favorites

I don't know, guys, but I don't think this new theme song is good enough. In my opinion there other songs in the soundtrack that would fit better for this purpose. Take for example "Summertime - My Heart", "Nicolai Heidlas - Rockin' Riff", "Melodic in Fusion - Empty V" etc.

yeah that sucks i never heard of them until this game definitely helped fan base but this will definitely take some away no more reminders

I mean, they are good songs but not _that_ good. The line "I reached out to them four years ago about using their songs, and I got my reply this week (...)" speaks volumes.

Such a shame that all that music had to go. every time i booted up the game and the music started i would think Hell Yeah Lets Go. But yeah you have to respect other peoples content and work and if they say no you can't use it then you have no choice in the matter. Disapointed but it won't stop me from loving Being a DiK

I have always been curious on the machines that are doing your renders. I am a DIY computer builder as a hobby. I am just curious if you are using workstation or HEDT level computer. Could you give the specs of the hardware?

Wow... I guess mentioning a couple of other VN creators having had the same issue bite them in the rear recently as well was against the rules? I don't see why, as it is brining attention to the fact that the terms of using music in these types of games can be changed at any time in order to squeeze more money out of an indie developer. The rights holders seem fine with the use of their music when said games are small and still building into the great stories some of them end up achieving. Once the rights holders see this, suddenly, they change terms and demand more money to keep using their music. Rather than the one time flat fee for each song or package of music at the beginning, terms are suddenly changed to needing to renew. So the developer gets bent over as if they have the money to be able to pay for ALL the music at once rather than adding new music as the game is developed. "Oh, look! Indie Developer's game has gotten really popular, which means they are making more money now, and I/we have to have some of that so I am going to change the terms and make them buy all the music all over again each year. I think one was faced with either paying 6 figures, or having a silent game. Some people seem to think it costs nothing to develop a game. Pretty sure money taken in on Steam, Patreon and the like is all pure profit when most of the money brought in goes into development and the tools needed for said development. Web hosting, servers and testing all cost money, especially paying beta testers. Also the production of exclusive merchandise for backers of a certain level costs money especially for very limited runs, many times even losing money to fulfill the promises. It's just a real scummy thing to do, screwing over developers who actually bring positive exposure to music that would otherwise be totally unknown.

Just downloaded the patch. I have to say, I actually like the new title music way more.

No big deal it was just a minor change in the game. Bad news is when there's a setback in the next update. It's all good Dr. PinkCake.

Why do you think TFP wait this long to ask DPC to remove their songs from the game? It’s funny how everyone here assumes this move by TFP’s is a clueless/short-sighted one. But forgot that it has been years since DPC introduced their songs to thousands of people… They got their exposure. They got their copies sold. And now, they think their music can do better than an *adult* game. Plain and simple.

You would think getting your music out there to help promote yourself to make money considering they are next to no mainstream ever heard of garage bands from decades ago but I guess they lived up to the games name being a DIK :(

While it pains me to have TFP’s music removed I applaud and agree with the decision. Ultimately it is their IP and needs to be respected as such. I also view it as a lost opportunity for them to get their brand out. Thanks to BaD I looked them up and bought the album. I wonder how many others did as I did and how many more may have as well. While ultimately getting a commercial free to use license is the goal. Have the ideas of a small royalty on future Steam/GoG sales been explored? While TFP’s may say no this post also had me wondering if Main Street bands such as Flogging Molly or The Dropkick Murphys may agree. I could see several of either bands songs easily replacing TFP’s

What if there was a new feature that allowed players to upload their own music into the game? I mean, you couldn't necessarily prevent every single player from downloading TFP's music and adding it on their own. No?

If anyone else can find or knows of any free for commercial without restrictions music to replace The Friday Prophets, then post it! If it gets enough attention the maybe DrPinkCake might consider integrating it as a replacement.

Won't lie, I like the new song better, just needs to be a little louder. To each their own though

Im so sick of my favorite games having licensing issues with the music. There has to be a better way for developers to obtain licensing agreements that dont allow musicians to back out after the fact. Im not blaming you DPC, its a real problem in VN world.

That is such a bummer, hope you can find a solution for this. If not, then I'm sure whatever replaces it will be great.

Dang, I guess I'm saving my previous versions of the game then.

Hmmm I guess mentioning the name of another AVN author breaks the rules since my comment got removed. So without mentioning any names, another AVN author had all of their music removed from their game a couple of months back due to the music service they were using changing policies about AVN’s, so he has had to spend time and money contacting each artist to buy the rights to use their songs in his game. Its unfortunate but some music services and artists have a negative view of this genre. Hopefully the issue doesn’t extend beyond The Friday Prophets.

While it's probably not the worst thing that could happen to this game, it's definitely high up there. I'm not gonna lie, the music is one of the things that hooked me on Being a DIK, and it's sad that this music that has become so synonymous with the game is going to have to go. It's going to be weird going into the game and not hearing Punk Rock Flu, but I'm far more invested in the game than I've ever been, so I'll just keep on keeping on.

First they made their music free for commercial use WITHOUT RESTRICTIONS, so that anybody and their dog can use it as they see fit. Then it took them FOUR F*CKING YEARS to finally message DPC to deny him the use of this tracks? SERIOUSLY? It was basically FREE advertisment! They probably made money hand over fist from all the people that bought their albums. DrPinkCake is a SAINT for showing the respect he does. I am no saint. So this is what I gonna do: As long as nobody tells me that version 8.3 will change any of the stats or relationship points in the game, I will keep version 8.2. F*CK respect and F*CK their copyright! After four years of not giving a sh*t, those tracks are fair game! So from now on everytime I make another playthrough, I will enjoy Season 1 and 2 as they were meant to be played. Listening to the incredible tracks of the Friday Prophets. And whoever it was who FINALLY decided to respond after all this time and try to ruin it for us: KISS! MY! *SS!

*cries in Punk Rock Flu* 😢

In my opinion they owe DrPinkCake, i would never have listened to their songs with without his incredible game. A real shame they gone. Its hitting alot of devs that make these incredible games.

Not at all surprised by this development, honestly. They've had comments turned off on all their official YouTube videos for the songs for a while now.

I feel like we as a community would donate to try and get Punk Rock Flu purchased for commercial usage.. starting the game up and hearing anything else just isn’t going to feel right.

I like many others have discovered their music through your game and now listen to their tracks very often Wish they knew how much exposure they got through this game and will be very sad to not hear their great tracks in the game.

Question: How much would it cost to license their music? I would be willing to donate to that fund to get the music in the game.

did they not offer to buy a license or is it just the content was not something they didn't want and no amount of money would be OK? If it's the latter, that's not very punk rock of them lol.

Unfortunate but completely respect that you are going about things in a professional manner. Keep up all the great work!

That sucks DPC but seems to be a wider issue for AVNs right now. While the music is iconic, the story is the real star.

We’ll, at least I was able to download their music from my Apple Music subscription…now I can “catch” The Punk Rock Flu whenever I want…

Sad to hear the news, I started to hear the Friday Prophets because of this game! While the music selection is great, your hard work into the writing and design of the game is what really makes it great. Keep working hard but not too hard Doc!

Hear me out.... What if another artist/band did a cover of Punk Rock Flu for you to use in the game? I mean, surely they can't do much about a cover from a free song can they?

It is indeed sad about the Friday prophet... If I had a punk rock band i'd pay you to use my songs and gain visibility but oh well... I guess they don't see how many people actually know of them thanks to you DPC. I actually never heard of them until looking for the being a DIK soundtrack. oh well... their loss. I hope overall it wont cause too much extra work for you. Cheers.

When you said bad news, I had the thought that you accidently hit the delete all files button for episode 9 and this time it wasn't backed up in a cloud save. Too bad about the music stuff though. You would think The Friday Prophets would be happy getting play time and acknowledgement for their songs but I guess not. I'm sure DPC will find excellent substitutes for them though.

Can we not just tell The Friday Prophets that Punk Rock Flu will conjure the image of Maya anyway? Think it'll change their minds?

Well, too bad the songs had to be taken away, but, still, the most important part of the game is still the gameplay and not so much the song. So, I wouldn't worry that much.

well this Majorly sucks, the music is what makes the game so good...........there really seems to be a campaign by some to hurt this genre of games by any meens they can

No amount of words can describe how I am feeling right now.

Have to say, never heard of these guys until the first time I played BaDIK. No telling if it was the band themself or the label, but still a very sad day.

It's hard to say if it's the band themselves who are making the request or if it's something on Bandcamp's end or their label's end that are legally forcing their hand. Either way, the music industry, whether major or indie, have some strict rules to follow when it comes to stock media. Former filmmaker here - I left the industry because of these woes.

No worrys, the game is grather than those songs. Stiller cant wait for ch9!!!!!!

I've been working on a project myself and can attest to the frustration of dealing with the music community. If you make a game of pure violence, you can use any music you want. If you have sex in the game, about 95% of available music is no longer allowed.

Not trying to be negative but that's so stupid, I'd wager nobody even heard of them before this game.

Many people have already stated this, but DPC, you made Punk Rock Flu iconic to me. And I even went and bought the album that had that song on it. If they don't want their music to be spread to a larger audience because "reasons," sure whatever, it'll definitely be their loss going forward. Perhaps they'll see the error of their ways, but prolly not. Either way, you chose those songs to match the game, not the other way around. I sincerely trust your judgement! Still super excited for ch9!

silly question, but will these patch changes affect our save files that transferred into Interlude to continue in the next season?

Not sure it is the best business decision on their part. Bought three of their albums because of their inclusion in your game. (Betting I am not the only one). Would not have heard their stuff without BaDIK. Tough blow, but I am sure you will make it work.

They replied just in time right before any serious work has happened /s. Sad to read it, but understandable. These status reports of yours are one of the few things Im really waiting for in the last couple of months. Keep up the good work, Doc. We are with you!

Definitely some bad news. The songs felt so perfect with the game and The Friday Prophets gained tons of new fans including myself. Its really sad to hear but I have faith you will find a suitable replacement. :)

A heavy hit, but I am sure you will find a right choice. The Offspring - "Want you Bad" could be a good substitute. They once had a cooperation with WarGaming, so maybe they are more open to this genre.

Very sad. Ironically I discovered them through this game and now listen to them on Spotify so they get royalties there…

That is terrible news, I've really grown to enjoy their music. Doing a new playthrough in the future just won't feel the same without it. Bummer. Thanks for the update.

Can't we pay for it ? How expensive would be ?

Blows hard, but I think the game made the music more impactful, the scenes that were chosen to go with the music were great. But if it can not be then so be it. Your music choice is amazing when it comes to the game, one of the best soundtracks I’ve heard.

That's a shame, Doc, it was only because of their music on your soundtrack that I learned who they are to begin with and have their songs on my phone. I won't remove the songs and keep them on my mix but I doubt I'll load any new ones.

Don’t worry, herr Doctor. The game has outgrown their music. And we will support you no marear what. Thank you for being transparent and I hope all goes well

As a musician myself I understand what they asked for, respect their choice to do so, and I congratulate DPC for setting an example and ask his followers to not go after them. Similar to other posters, I possibly never would have ever listened to the Friday Prophets if it wasn't for BaDIK, but I will wish them a well deserved success. While the music in BaDIK is iconic in many ways and in my mind will take me a while to get used to the new music, the core quality of the game that depends on DPC skill still remains.

Yeah, no disrespect to the band, but it's very funny to me that they would consider something "inappropriate for punk rock"... Isn't that whole genre about not giving a fuck about societal expectations and individualism???

Is there a walkthrough to get Quinn as a gf by chance ? I got it before on my old laptop

That honestly really sucks about The Friday Prophets. Being a dik introduced me to them and I've been listening them on and off for the past half year or so I don't understand why they made that decision Being a dik has done nothing other than advertise their music and also generate a lot of new fans of their music. A real shame but it is what it is I guess.

I wonder how much it would cost to pay a band to make a few punk rock covers that could get around that messy situation? Oh well. Im sure whatever you pick will be fine.

I suppose I wonder if the problem was to do with the type of game the songs were in, not a question of paying for rights. All due respect to the band, as it is their intellectual property, but I think they may have overlooked the advantages. After hearing the songs in the game, I liked them so much that I went to Spotify the rest of their stuff. I think any opportunities to get your music out there generally helps you. Case in point being that song played during that Bella scene (the "Run, Run, Runnin" one) as I'm pretty sure it was on an advertisement for Youtube like a month later haha. But like the good Doctor said, we gotta respect their decision.

yeah, the new title song feels odd. Definitely not the same feel as Punk Rock Flu. Not sure why, but Punk Rock Flu felt more college-like and also made me think of the movie Animal House... weird, I know.

Are they the ones that do the "Another lonely afternoon sitting all alone, with the TV and the phone..." one? That's my personal favourite. In all seriousness I don't see there's a villain to be angry at here - they obviously have the rights to control where their music is used, and you're doing the right thing by acknowledging that.

I'm really digging the new music. I kinda prefer it to the original track.

Sad to hear this😔

Sorry to hear the reason I even know the band is you used there music sucks but not much to be done

Would it be possible to start a project where we could raise money to get Dr.PinkCake to copyright the music, because I love “Punk Rock Flu” so much😢😢🤯

Damn dude that sucks hard. Your game is what got me into their music and I probably would never have heard them otherwise.

Sad to hear. Next episode is gonna hit different, but nonetheless hit as hard, I'm sure.

It is sad you can Not use their songs anymore. I actually Always wanted to Look the names of the Songs Up to buy them as LP or CD never got around it. But eben though i Know now i can only find tthem as mp3 and i want a physical Copy. 😕

Sad but understandable Gotta having a hard time to move on from those amazing pieces

How ever long it may take, sad indeed but...with your taste, background in music, upmost confidence you slid in some other bangers, haaa. DPC we appreciate all your hard work. DIK army lesssss GOOOO

What a huge bummer. You phrased it best. The songs became iconic.

As if it took them four years to reply 😂

Really sad news. I hope the replacement will be good. Soundtrack is one of the most important aspects of any game.

Sad... :( thx for the update Doc

Ask Mayhem if u can use their songs :D

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Punk Rock Flu is iconic, a shame you can't use it anymore.

Is there any chance to buy the rights of using their song for your game? I mean if you choose them because they were free, now there is the opportunity to buy from them.

Sad to see the bangers go but obviously gotta respect their wishes..

Thank you

Sad to hear...

What a mad cunt this bloke or shela continues to update us with new knowledge on the games progress 👏

Dang it will be truly missed

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Sad to hear the songs are gone, but excited to hear some new found music at the same time!

Idk if this is gonna work but I have an old copy downloaded (the game), could start them up at the same time and keep it in the background just for that feeling

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