The Heat Death of Jubilee

Thank you for adding the allegations in the main video,, well placed too

I wanted to make a small comment about what you say regarding Manosphere creators' relationship to porn at 7:15. I don't really think that these types of influencers' animosity toward porn is an outgrowth of more mainstream misogyny, as you seem to suggest when you say it stems from their 'complicated, resentment-driven' relationship with sex workers. Rather, it's a manifestation of their general attitude toward all women, whom they tend to regard categorically as 'whores' or otherwise nonhuman entities. I don't think Tate and his imitators distinguish between how they treat or regard 'sex workers' vs. any other kind of women, which makes the sentence in the video a bit strange to my ear. Especially since, in the next sentence, you mention that Tate trafficks all kinds of women (who are definitely not 'sex workers') and coerces them into making porn. The attitude these men hold toward porn seems to be about a lot more than the specific relationship you mention in this moment of the video, is what I'm trying to express—not to mention the nofap/'scientific' element of semen retention, self-improvement, etc. I think simplifying it to a 'resentment-driven relationship' with sex workers is misleading when the manosphere ideology doesn't really include the more typical misogynistic value structure—the Madonna vs. whore dichotomy—and in fact seems to revel in turning 'regular women' into the 'whores' they really are (e.g. Tate's workshops on how to coerce women into doing webcam pornography). They discourage porn largely because it is better, in their view, to have sexually domineering encounters with real-life 'whores' than to have emasculating experiences with virtual ones. This is probably too late to merit any kind of review/edit, but I still wanted to note it. Thanks for the new video!

Will you make a video about obsession (plsss)?

"I know there was problems and stuff, but it felt like shit was kind of, all good?" is a perfect Andrew Callaghan quote. He just does not have a worthwhile perspective. a dumb guy whose large platform has convinced him that he has something to say

I find it extremely funny that they cut to a picture of ice spice after the guy said he thought mixed kids weren’t as cute as white kids

i'm not sure why i'm so frustrated or upset by lee's obtuse, diffused response to every challenge against jubilee's model. it feels right to be upset, like he's getting away with something he shouldn't be doing, but i'm not sure what that is. he makes a bad show, and maybe that's all it is. in way that's difficult to articulate, i kind of relate to your observation on callaghan's ignorance of systemic racism in his own racism video. like if i'm upset at trash tv, the answer isn't to shut down every subsequent jerry springer show, it's to end the conditions that supply their subjects and audiences. idk if that was intentional, but the thread is kinda there for me.

Has Jubilee ever reached out to you to be on any in any of their videos? (I strongly assume you wouldn't wanna go.) I also watched Matt Bernsteins's video with you on Jubilee. Will there be any more collaboration with you and Matt?

phenomenal vid!! thank you massive joel for verbalizing some thoughts i've had about andrew for a while now

For me personally, the rape allegations against Andrew sort of overshadow this video. I see why it might open too big a can of worms for the video (and I wouldn't be surprised if other jubilee debate ppl had allegations that I'm unaware of as well) but I feel like watching this im sort of waiting for it to be mentioned. Other than that, I rly appreciate you exploring this naive social phenomenon going on with channels like Jubilee and channel 5, it's always worried me in a way I couldn't articulate this well.

I know Andrew Callaghan and his whole shtick is being just a guy who gets people talking by nodding and just agreeing with them in the sort of way you would if the weird dude on the subway started talking to you about the earth being flat. Apparently Jubilee expected him to epically debunk them instead of just be casually interested in what they were saying.

Going to watch this on my projector with a smile on my face

There are a thousand little glitches in this video, sorry about that! I guess this is the joy and agony of the Patreon

Would you ever do a surrounded: 1 Little Joel vs 20 big guys