Radio War Nerd EP #502 — Tecumseh, Pt. 2 + Ukraine

Per Chapo's Hell of Presidents, Henry Harrison died from drinking poop water (the DC sewers of the era ran directly into the city's drinking water)

Thank you for this series. I grew up a few miles from the site of the second Prophetstown in Indiana and had only the sketchiest memory of this story. Sadly, like elsewhere in the country, we don’t do much more than name our high schools after these figures and call it good. I went to William Henry Harrison High School and, yes, there’s a Tecumseh High School that we would play sports against. (Though to be fair to the local public education system, I did somehow recall “Tippecanoe and Tyler Too” before you said it.)

The way I heard the curse of Tesketawa was that he cursed every president elected in a year ending in zero to die in office. You mentioned Harrison's death in office. Then there was Lincoln, Garfield was shot in 1881 and died 2.5 months later. McKinley was shot in 1900, giving us TDR. Harding died of a heart attack in 1923. FDR gave us 3 full terms before succumbing to illness, everyone knows about Kennedy, Reagan and W are left for exercise of the imagination.

Now John needs to watch Pom Poko

One reenactment for this era is Market Fair at Ft Frederick outside of Hagerstown in April

I wish John had talked a little about how William T. Sherman got his name. Was it just 19th century romanticism? Or did his father have some connection to the Northwest wars, they were from Ohio after all.

Great wolf lodge is dope

You’re doing great! Keep it up! 👏

I get what you guys are saying about Ukraine support being an elite phenomenon, but anecdotally I have seen multiple Ukrainian flags in random people’s windows and yards in each of at least five different states since the invasion. Might be far from a majority but there certainly is some grassroots support for backing the Ukrainians to the hilt.

You may have heard this one before, but if you grow up in Ohio you are, at one time or another, subjected to the book “A Sorrow in Our Heart,” the title of which is derived from the following quote, supposedly from Tecumseh’s brother, Chiksika: “When a white man kills an Indian in a fair fight it is called honorable, but when an Indian kills a white man in a fair fight it is called murder. When a white army battles Indians and wins it is called a great victory, but if they lose it is called a massacre and bigger armies are raised. If the Indian flees before the advance of such armies, when he tries to return he finds that white men are living where he lived. If he tries to fight off such armies, he is killed and the land is taken anyway. When an Indian is killed, it is a great loss which leaves a gap in our people and a sorrow in our heart; when a white is killed, three or four others step up to take his place and there is no end to it. The white man seeks to conquer nature, to bend it to his will and to use it wastefully until it is all gone and then he simply moves on, leaving the waste behind him and looking for new places to take. The whole white race is a monster who is always hungry and what he eats is land.”

my high school US History teacher called him “Teh-coom-say”.

Highly educated people are often also poor given student loans and crappy skilled labor markets. Also fascism is a petty bourgeois / middle class movement. So I’m just saying those various vote breakdowns make sense

I’m dying to know the indoor water park in PA that Mark hated.

Another thing to note about Wayne’s expedition was that he was much more better at handling logistics and supplies than St. Clair. He kept setting up forts or stockades along the route to Fallen Timbers, which allowed the Legion to stay well supplied and prevented ambushes by the Shawnee-Miami confederacy.

Going to the Tecumseh outdoor play in Chillicothe was an important childhood milestone in Ohio. Would love a RWN review some day https://youtu.be/sRP7HVIKsYg

We didn’t pronounce it “Tec coom see” but actually “Tec-come-see” no “oohm” sound

The poorest voting democrat probably has to do with the fact that (especially in the south) the poorest are going to be way disproportionately Black

Should be said, I think the militiamen still cut and ran at fallen timbers. Thinking of the horseback volunteers galloping away at full tilt back toward the skirmishers, who were at least able to pull back in an orderly manner, as ordered

Mark: “Many people are asking, ‘where is Congo? Where is the Congo episode?’ And all I can say is that we’re looking into it very strongly and I think we’re close to having a very perfect interview, real soon”

Most of the Russia/soviet hate is because of the goddamn fucking poles

Re: Ukraine - Trump might actually get the cost of goods to decline with Russia normalization; I don’t think corporations will let go of that profit margin so I would expect corporate profits to rise. With Europe already organized away from Russian gas, and profitable industries already destroyed, I’m not sure how quickly, or if they rebuild those relationships with the east. If Russian gas becomes available again, though, it’s too much of a profit making opportunity to ignore

I think climate change is also about weather patterns shifting and you get phenomena you’re not used to, as obvious as it sounds. Also the extremes heightening

To elaborate on the "Trump education versus income voting, thing: it's largely an age thing. There are a lot of people who entered the workforce when you could get a good job without a college degree or as a college drop out. It's also kind of about the nature of certain jobs. Trump is the candidate of, like, people who inherited car dealerships. self employed petty bourgieous, contractors, and people who work in extractive industries can do pretty well without a higher education. And of course, y'know, cops and people in the security-industrial complex. That really shouldn’t be surprising, since that’s the traditional base of far right and fascist movements.

Regarding MAGA folks calling in a airstrike on their own neighborhood to get that one liberal... Liberals do the exact same thing to get that one socialist. Or even a diet-socialist like Sanders (claims to be). The pitch of their self-centred hysteria is a match for any Trumper.

Re: Democratic reactions to Luigi, I'm reminded of an old anecdote from former very minor NBA player Brian Scalabrine. Upon being heckled by a fan, he remarked "I'm closer to Michael Jordan than you are to me." So with the Dems - they are closer to being health care executives than they are to being Luigis. They can't capitalise on it politically because they simply don't understand it. They're targets for a future Luigi and they know it.

All the doge stuff reminds me of this perry anderson quote: "That there is no guarantee that even acute hardship must detonate, rather than numb, popular reactions is clear from Russian passivity under the catastrophe of Yeltsin’s rule. "

Considering everything we have seen about Gaza... That map of Ohio looks so familiar.