IS THE EARTH FLAT OR ROUND? let's talk about it.

Most say there's a dome over the flat earth. But, if that were the case, where would the corners be?

Ok simple answer. Enclosed flat earth. Don't know the exact shape besides it has corners, a firmament, and there are realms below and above it.

What is the shape of the plane? Is there an impenetrable dome over the plane? Can anything live outside the dome? ...just some things I have been pondering, but uncertain about.

Heliocentrism came about as part of the counter reformation. It's purpose was to destroy the authority of scripture.

I think earth is a plane held up by pillars as described in the bible, with a firmament above that cannot be penetrated for so-called space exploration. Why it matters is that when you learn about the globe earth and all of space and how it goes on to infinity and there are all these nebulas zillions of light years away, and possibly life on other planets, it's all designed to make us believe we are nothing but a spec, worthless really in the realm of things on this infinite universe. It is key to interfering with ones' faith in God. It's definitely one of the biggest lies that majority of people believe. But it's not an argument I bother with because it just never goes anywhere. People will believe NASA and think you are crazy. I also think there is controlled opposition in the FE communities. Everything is manipulated these days. Edited to add: One more thing that's important to remember is that all of space, gravity, distance to stars, etc. is based on unproven theories. Somehow accepted as facts.

BTW thanks for cranking out the content! I need to get caught up as there has been much going on in my family's life here lately! God Bless!

God gave us the senses to see our surroundings for what they are. Just by observing the horizon (especially over water) it is perfectly flat. Pilots use the horizon to visually tell if aircraft are above their altitude or below. This would not work on ball earth. Also the sun and the moon do things that are not explainable by science or really anything we can comprehend. I try to not be too worldly, but one of my fascinations if radio. I see more and more evidence that the earth is an enclosed system as God's Word explains. The propagation of RF matches closely to this enclosed system. The time zone flat map will more accurately map out flight lines and RF headings.

I'm simply asking the question. Is it spherical or flat.

When you say round, what do you mean? You can draw a circle on a piece of paper, so the earth can be both flat and round at the same time. The odd thing to claim is that the earth is a ball, or a globe, which is not what the Bible teaches. If you think that the earth is a ball, yet the earth was created before the sun, and the sun moves around the earth, I have no idea how that makes any sense, but by all means. I would say the primary purpose of claiming we live on a ball, is to kill the faith, make people not trust the Bible to teach us what is true: make people think man is not able to understand who God is, when God has revealed himself to us through scripture. So that is a reason to take a stand against people claiming that earth could be described as a globe, instead of a circle. In Revelation 21, the length, breath, and height of new Jerusalem, comes to about 1500 miles. If the earth is a ball, there be a significant amount of curvature over such a long distance that was measured. I just find it absurd of John seeing this city coming down from out of heaven, and the city bending. If the new earth is flat, current earth is also flat, as that is how God intended creation to be from the beginning.

And since I'm here (and missed the conversation on the "120 years of the days of man"), I believe that the Earth is nearly at the end of the Sixth Millennium, and that the 120 years was prophetic of 120 Jubilee's—that the days of man would last 120 x 50 years—and that the Creation week itself was a model of the complete timeline of Man.

I encourage anyone interested to watch Bryan Nickel's presentations on YouTube (of Walt Brown's work) on the evidence for the Flood, the original of comets and Earths' radioactivity, etc. Also, check out physicist Russell Humphreys' work on "Starlight & Time

I believe that the Copernican model has been thoroughly debunked, that the evidence for Geocentrism is quite strong—but I certainly don't believe that there are discipline-wide conspiracies (physics, etc) that are actively trying to hide evidence of a Flat Earth. The divide between secular and Creation science comes down to presuppositions/world-view being applied (or mis-applied) to study and theory, rather than the conspiratorial withholding of evidence.

I came to faith in my 30s after extensive study (and a thorough dismantling of my education) of the evidence for Christianity in geology, biology, physics, mathematics, history and the self-authenticating nature of the KJV Bible. The historical accuracy of Genesis and a Young Earth is a hill I'll die on—but I very strongly believe that the popularity of Flat Earth (and all of the associated videos/content) is one of many conspiracy theory traps that isolate Bible-believing Christians from their ability to spread the gospel. Scientific evidence that supports Young Earth is piling up days after day, but the prominence of the Flat Earth movement (and its association with Young Earth) has shut the eyes and ears of people who could be otherwise open to learning the truth of creation, in my opinion.

I am very sure that the earth is not round. When I see land ca. 20-30 km away over the lake Peipus in Estonia, then it is not possible in round earth. The horizon is only ca. 5 km away (https://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/?d0=48.28032000002595&h0=2&unit=metric), so everything should be outside our sight that is 5 km away from us. On a clear day Finland is visible with zoom camera over the Finnish bay, the distance is 80 km. That is not possible when the earth is ball.

Isaiah 40 :21 is the first one

Job 37:18 "Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?" . . . the firmament covering? A dome over the circl of the earth? . . the NIV changes this to "bronze" not glass. Also Psalm 104:2 "The Lord wraps himself in light as with a garment; he stretches out the heavens like a tent"

Isaiah 40 :22 [It is] he that sitteth 3427 z8802 vpon x5921 the circle 2329 of the earth, 776 and the inhabitants 3427 z8802 thereof [are] as grashoppers; 2284 that stretcheth out 5186 z8802 the heauens 8064 as a curtaine, 1852 and spreadeth them out 4969 z8799 as a tent 168 to dwel in: 3427 z8800

40:21 Haue yee not x3808 knowen? 3045 z8799 haue yee not x3808 heard? 8085 z8799 hath it not x3808 beene tolde 5046 z8717 you from the beginning? 7218 x4480 haue yee not x3808 vnderstood 995 z8689 from the foundations 4146 x4480 of the earth? 776

The Bible does not specifically teach that the earth is either round or flat. But I do have a hard time believing we live on a ball spinning thousands miles an hour. That being said what about Job 26.7 He stretcheth out the North over the emptie place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing. And Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants there-of are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtaine, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in The four corners could be North, South, East, West? I am not sure. Because to me a corner isn’t a point in a circle. Great question Reg, I look forward to seeing what people have to say.

Any material proofs of the actual shape and extent of the earth are extremely difficult to come by. The laws of aviation, maritime, and "space" travel are all critical aspects of the Beast system . . with deep Jesuit influence and control. It stands to reason that Rome long ago understood that it needed to control the World's understanding of the outer reaches so as to inwardly control the world's population. Look into all who are the "great" explorers, discoverers, astro-nots, map-makers, surveyors in history . . and you will find direct ties to the Vatican ( . . in the case of "space", often through the Freemasons.)

Put differently, if you believe your senses . . .which tell you the earth doesn't move . . . and the Word that tells you the earth doesn't move (Psalm 104:5;1 Chronicles 16:30;Pslam 93:1;Psalm 96:10; Isaiah 14:7;Zechariah 1:11;Psalm 33:) . . . then the entire Jesuit-inspired Copernican/Newtonian cosmology explanation of the lights we observe in the sky collapses . . as it requires moving masses constantly exerting "gravitational" force on one another to maintain its logical consistency. "Gravity" itself . . as a concept . . is only observable in certain circumstances (e.g. and apple falling from a tree) and is easily disproven as an overwhelming universally consistent force every time a butterfly launches itself into flight.

I think scripture's pretty clear that the earth is not madly spinning, nor is it hurdling through space.

I assume people will be reticent to comment here so I'll start it off. My God-given senses make clear to me that . . we certainly don't live on a spinning ball that is spinning thousands of miles an hour while also hurtling thousands of miles an hour through an empty vacuum of space (not strong enough to pull a cloud from the upper atmosphere into its clutches) . . around an enormous sun that would devour us if our "planet" every lost its way and got too close . . all started off by a "big bang" caused by the pressure of all of the matter in the "universe" crammed into an area as big as a teaspoon. There are many verses which indicate a shape of the earth (which only God from his vantage point will ever fully see) . . . however I am going to stick with what he has allowed me to see and experience from my vantage point. His ways are greater than mine. (Isaiah 55:9)