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Mania by Fall Out Boy

jokes aside I second some entries made by other people, i.e. Bionic (Xtina), Music (Sia) and Macklemore's

*chanting* Lulu! Lulu! Lulu!

I know this post is two months old, but how about a OHW on Bring Me Eldiweiss by Eddieweiss

Mick Jagger's solo albums ?

Music From the Elders by KISS Turbo Lover by Judas Priest Risk by Megadeth Chinese Democracy by Guns N Roses Tango in the Night by Fleetwood Mac Never Say Die by Black Sabbath Virtual X by Iron Maiden

Velvet Underground's Squeeze, or Fergie's Double Dutchess

Wilder Mind - Mumford and Sons … sorry for everyone that liked that album but they should have known better than to trade banjos for electric guitars and amps. They sacrificed what made them unique and haven’t been as popular since.

Or maybe you could do "Glitter" in time for Christmas

Just do the "Brick" video already... We WANT you to gush about Ben Folds; he's doing the Peanuts musical FFS. That's gold, Schroeder.

"Music" by Sia. She regards it as an album in the same vein as "1000 Forms of Fear" and "OnlySee" rather than a soundtrack album. Her latest album - released this year - struggled.

Does Queen's "Hot Space" meet the criteria for a Trainwreckord?

obvious pick but i'd still love to see a the big day episode just because of how massive of a hit chance's star took from it, to an extent that he's never really covered

This Unruly Mess I've Made by Macklemore & Ryan Lewis. You had a tweet a while back wondering if this was a Trainwreckord that I think of every time I hear any of Macklemore's post-2016 stuff. It's all dad rap. He really lost his swag/mojo/it factor after apologizing to Kendrick.

Secret Samadhi by Live.

The last Panic at the Disco album?

I'd like to also add: 30 Seconds to Mars-America: Jared Leto fires anyone in the band without the last name Leto and has thoughts on the world (featuring A$AP Rocky) Maroon 5-Love is Like...-The definitive end of Maroon 5. U2-Songs of Innocence. The iPod album. Sia-Music: Watch Maddie Zeigler start a movie off in possible blackface! Incubus-If Not Now, When?: The album that did the impossible: made Incubus boring Slayer-Diabolus in Musica: The infamous nu metal album from Slayer! Megadeth-Risk: What if The Black Album sucked? Trapt-Shadow Music: Because fuck Trapt

BIONIC - xtina… let’s start a new series Gaga killed my career

I would argue that Pop is still the U2 trainwreckord, even though they bounced back huge for a couple of albums. Mainly would still count it because unlike when they bounced back after Rattle and Hum it was with a major reinventing of image and sound... after Pop it was a creative retreat that resulted in just Y2K attempt at Joshua Tree. Also, Pop love it or hate is interesting to talk about, that Songs of Innocence is just a legacy act releasing late career music in a dumb way.

Very late, I know, but Wasp by Shawn Cassidy. Joe Hardy tries to go New Wave...produced by Todd Rundgren.

Am I late? Out-of-State Plates by Fountains of Wayne. That's mainly because I want to hear Todd talk about Fountains of Wayne and I've resigned myself to never getting the Stacy's Mom OHW, but it is still interesting. They had years of critical acclaim and sudden serious mainstream momentum after Welcome Interstate Managers - only to squander it (or deliberately arrest it?) with a poorly timed (perfectly timed?) album of old B-sides. And I love that album, it's a really good collection of some classic songs (The Girl I Can't Forget is one of my favourites of all their songs), but just looking at it as a career move, it was a classic Trainwreckord.

"Supernatural" by DC Talk. Not only is it relatively timely (we have excuse to crap on Michael Tait some more), but apparently the band mates were so petty that it led to a messy break-up (at least if Kevin Max's song "I Don't Belong" is to be believed), two solo projects that made egos out of TobyMac and Tait, and just an overall waste after how big "Jesus Freak" was at the time. Yeah, they are technically OHW with the "Jesus Freak" song "Just Between You and Me" (which might also have alluded to the inter-band drama at the time), but given how evil of a person Michael Tait would turn out to be, it's funny to see how their massive stardom exploded by the time the new millennia arrived.

Press To Play: Paul McCartney

Genesis-Calling All Stations: a sad sending to the discography of a great band. This was a case where things might've been different had the bands original choice for a replacement lead singer not tragically passed away. Ray Wilson is a fine vocalist but wasn't the right fit for the group and the album as a whole was mostly just too depressing for it's own good. New Kids on the Block-Face the Music: America's first real boy-band tries to go for a more "mature" New Jack Swing sound and in the process alienates a good chunk of their fanbase. One of their members left before the tour even started and they found themselves playing to half-empty clubs, a far cry from the stadiums they were used to. Scorpions-Eye II Eye:the most succesful foreign band in the world hits a speed bump when they try to do something they've never done before-trend chasing, in this case a weird mixture of pop, adult contemporary, alternative rock and god knows what else(their first German language song features bizarre rapping from James Kotak). They notably never had another charting-hit after this album with Matthias Jabs later expressing regret for it. Also features Todd's nemesis Peter Wolf. Chicago-Twenty-One: The long-running midwestern rock group unceremoniously sacks original member Danny Seraphine and tries to make a go without him and it goes about as well as you'd expect. Def Leppard-X: X most definitely does not mark the spot here as the band follows up their incredible comeback album "Euphoria" with this bizarre alt-rock misfire which features several outside songwriters(including Max Martin) for then-popular artists like "Lonestar"(blech!), "Rascal Flatts", "Westlife", "Britney Spears", "NSYNC", "Backstreet Boys", "Faith Hill", etc. Just a headscratching album all around that the band never really recovered from.

Sweet 7 by Sugababes could be a fascinating one with its revolving door of a lineup that led to it

Songs of Innocence- U2 (aka the album that was uploaded onto iPods without anyone's permission) and I say that as a huge U2 fan but the whole ordeal was a messy PR nightmare for an album that I'd argue was weak compared to the rest of their previous releases (including No Line on the Horizon) and was when they finally "lost touch" and not in an ironic commentary way the Zoo-tv/Pop-Mart tours. To me this was my moment the train wrecked and didn't recover.

The Big Day by Chance the Rapper

OH! Almost forgot, this one’s big; Speedin’ Bullet 2 Heaven by Kid Cudi

Some not mentioned yet: Bryan Adams - 18 Till I Die Chicago -- Twenty 1 Phil Collins - Dance Into the Light (possible comparison with Calling All Stations?) Doobie Brothers - One Step Closer Queen - Hot Space ZZ Top - Recycler

Eminem's Revival turned him from a questionable presence in rap (talking about quality) into a complete joke. I'd argue it's not only a Trainwreckord as far as sales or reception go, but he really let the negative reactions to the album get to him. It reached a point where everything he did since seems to be pandering to public demand. Revival seriously hurt his commercial success, his relevance within the rap community and his following artistic output all at once.

also heres a fun recommendation... arcade fire's everything now or M83's junk

So, here's a question. Is it possible for a debut album to be considered a trainwreckord? If there was an artist who was only marginally known, who rode the coattails of an infinitely more iconic pop star to make a name for himself, and whose first attempt at pop stardom was such a disaster that it not only became quite possibly the most critically panned album of my lifetime, but also ended his relationship with the aforementioned A-lister... What I'm saying is, Kevin Federline's Playing With Fire deserves an episode.

The Center Won't Hold by Sleater-Kinney

Kind of shocked nobody’s said Chinese Democracy yet.

"Music From The Elder" by KISS the quintessential Trainwreckord

I'm In You by Peter Frampton. He sold more albums in 1976 than Fleetwood Mac, Wings, Stevie, or anybody else with Frampton Comes Alive. (Live albums being a good way to jumpstart the career of not-quite-famous artists was an interesting trend at the time).

DEFFO Mania by Fall Out Boy. American Beauty/American Psycho was such a huge hit for radio I don't even think you can escape Centuries or Irresistible to this day. Then Mania came out and it flopped so hard you've not heard anything from FOB since unless you're in the fandom including their new album (So Much (for) Stardust) which has since flown well under the radar. That or maybe Jordi by Maroon 5

Someone else already pitched it, but definitely Schizophrenic by JC Chasez. Let’s also not forget the “classic” from the Drumline soundtrack that preceded it in 2002, “Blowin’ Me Up (With Her Love)”, which is also a complete disaster There’s a reason JC never took off like Justin

Honestly muse had that one album that leaned really heavy into dubstep sounds and a lot of rock folks dropped

U2's Songs of Innocence? Always wanted to know wtf was going on with it being automatically downloaded onto my iTunes...

Courtney Love’s America’s Sweetheart. Or Hole in any capacity. The third Hole album, Nobody’s Daughter, might also be a Trainwreckord. I love Hole, so I’m curious to hear your thoughts

Celtic Frost - “Cold Lake” Notorious 180 degree glam turn from a band that broke a lot of ground for thrash, death, and gothic metal in the 80s. Rebounded creatively with their follow-up “Vanity/Nemesis” but didn’t fully recover commercially or critically at the time and broke up for two decades before recording another album. Danzig - “Danzig 5: Blackacidevil” Change in direction to industrial metal from the renowned gothic/doom metal of the first four albums, recorded and released after the classic lineup of Glenn Danzig, Eerie Von, John Christ, and Chuck Biscuits dissolved. Garnered backlash for the style change, plus controversy for Hollywood Records owners Disney for signing Danzig. Personally I think there’s some good tracks on the album, like “Ashes”, “See All You Were”, “Come to Silver”, “Power of Darkness”, and their cover of Black Sabbath’s “Hand of Doom”. Jerry Cantrell appears on three tracks as well (all of which happen to be three of the five I like most, incidentally).

Everything Now by Arcade Fire, the Witness of indie rock

Don't think I've seen it yet, so: Electric Light Orchestra's "Time". Yes it was a UK No. 1 (and is my all-time favourite album from ELO) but it was such a shift away from their normal symphonic rock that it jarred with everyone's expectations (this was the band that had just hit their peak with "Don't Bring Me Down" and "Xanadu"!) and Jeff Lynne just seemed so very *lost* after this album that there was a huge dropoff in sales for the next two albums, which both felt like contractual obligations before a quiet breakup (even if there are tracks from them that are up there with "Shine a Little Love").

Flick of the Switch by AC/DC. AC/DC tried to go "raw" and made this mess. One song is literally called "Bedlam in Belgium". You might have fun with this one.

Neil Young - Trans. The weird electronic album he made. Wanted to request it/pay for it in dedication to my dad

Viva Las Vengance - Panic at the Disco

I have a few Bionic by Christiana Aguilera solely because it has the lyric, "If I was a ruler, I'd set you straight." Dance by Gary Numan. In America he's known as a one hit wonder obvs, but I'd argue that a Trainwreckords episode would be more interesting since a) He was a big deal in the UK b) This is the album where he drops the iconic androgynous android aesthetic and trys for a jazzy lady's man type vibe. It's quite bad Songs of Faith & Devotion by Depeche Mode. They're attempt at ditching synth/industrial and going for more of a grunge/ early 90s rock sound with mixed results This last one might be a bit of a stretch/too niche but I'd say October Rust by Type O Negative The band's attempt at winning over the lady's while also still appealing to their doom metal fans. It's full of a lot of horny ass ballads. Only charted gold while their previous album charted platinum. The next three albums they went back to doom metal but never went platinum/gold again. Some of the band members have also said that they didn't really like OR. I'd find this one more interesting since I'm seeing Type O have a sort of revival with alt Gen Z online and they like this one. Plus it would be a good Halloween episode :)

I would personally love to see Lulu by Metallica get covered and have our first "Sequel" episode of Trainwreckords.

Pussy cats by Harry Nilsson. John Lennon produced and helped Harry make the album, who was a huge star at the time having won awards and #1 hits. It's terrible and his career never recovered. I know when it comes to your videos you actually need source material to draw content from. There's both a documentary and a novel (really good read btw) about him and his career.

Robbie Williams - Rudebox Might be a bit non-US centric, and it didn’t *kill* his career but it was a ludicrous head scratcher that ended his tenure as the biggest pop star in Britain

this is basically a free patreon that gives you a monthly video :P

Holding out one day for Bulletproof by La Roux!

“Songs of Faith and Devotion” by Depeche Mode.

Calling All Stations by Genesis

This is a stretch, but I still think it’s an appropriate album to talk about. None other than Pinkerton by Weezer. The quintessential album that was regarded as a complete flop than suddenly became perceived as a work of art. The inverse Be Here Now.

Strip by Adam Ant - Friend or Foe was so unimpeachably good. He never hit that high again. I enjoy Strip, but I'm pretty sure it's not actually good.

Stone Roses - Second Coming

JC Chasez's Schizophrenic. Trust me. It's fucking insane.

Probably the one I'd want to see the most would be The Long Run by The Eagles just for the sheer dramatics of it all Though I could see History by Michael Jackson, The Final Cut from Pink Floyd, or The Visitors from ABBA

Aside from the usual (Bionic, Muse Sick N Hour Message, Calling All Stations, Corporate America, 3D) I have a few that might qualify. One of them would be Exit the Dragon by Urge Overkill, which took them from critically acclaimed band of the year to forgotten hasbeens overnight. I'm also not sure if it counts but what's the general reception on Beautiful Garbage? Seems like it was admittedly a sellout record but I kinda like what I've heard. Sisqo's Return of Dragon (geez, a lot of dragons today) is another case of going from the top straight to the bottom (it being released so close to 9/11 didn't help either). Not sure what Korn's Trainwreckord would be, probably either Take a Look in the Mirror or the Skrillex collab. OutKast's Idlewild soundtrack might also qualify as it's basically a worse version of Speakerboxxx/The Love Below. Out of the Vein by Third Eye Blind, that qualifies too, man there are a lot of these.

....would you accept OHW ideas? I have a bunch, and I'm probably never gonna afford to buy an episode, so Imma just leave my wishlist here and hopefully you like one of 'em 😋 All the Things She Said - T.a.T.u One of Us - Joan Osbourne Steal My Sunshine - Len Major Tom - Peter Schilling In The Shadows - The Rasmus (they're basically OHWonders the same way Aha were) Boys of Summer - The Ataris Stacy's Mom - Fountains of Wayne a Sex and Candy - Marcy Playground Mmmmm - Crash Test Dummies

Korn - The Path of Totality screams Trainwreckord. It's the dubstep album.

Jane’s Addiction The Great Escape Artist

The Heads - No Talking Just Head Think about it: Byrne's new album, their press tour last year, re-releases for two of their albums, and just the fact that spicy band drama makes for some of the most entertaining episodes of the series. Not to mention a quirky new wave-funk band going to fucking NIN-style Industrial just makes for a ten-car pileup of a musical direction. And let's face it: having TH covered on your channel in any capacity would be awesome. My man Jerry Harrison needs more appreciation.

On a topic related to a former Trainwreckord, it’s funny that almost all of Oasis’s current set list is 1994-1996. That might make sense in the US, but they had big hits in the UK well into the 2000s. I get nostalgia, but was Be Here Now such a disaster that all their subsequent hits were actually flops?

You posted about it on Bluesky, but I'd definitely like to see a Muse trainwreckord. Still don't know if it's 2nd Law, Drones, or Simulation Theory though.

I've gotta go with Healthy In Paranoid Times by Our Lady Peace. Their previous album, Gravity, took away everything remotely interesting about them but won them chart success. "Healthy" subsequently gave them neither chart success nor a unique sound, they almost broke up recording it, and they've never had a hit again.

Viva las vengeance by panic at the disco, an album that is so forgettable that lead to the end of Brendon Urie

It’s time for the Big Day Trainwreckord, Todd

I know this is probably a long shot, but, I've always wanted you to do a Trainwreckords on "Bridge Over Troubled Water" by Simon and Garfunkel. I'm well aware that in terms of music quality it's a great album, but its troubled production (pun intended) is what resulted in S&G splitting up acrimoniously and hating each other to this day. I feel like not enough people have done video essays on S&G, and the story of what happened between them is undertold and underexplored. I've loved their music the majority of my life and still don't really know the specifics. Wikipedia only gives a very vague account.

Everything to Everyone - Barenaked Ladies I like some of the tracks on here, and I enjoy some of the albums that came after, but this album marks the end of their cultural relevance.

Neither Fish Nor Flesh by Terence Trent Darby qualifies in the same way that the Spindoctors Turn It Upside Down did for a Trainwreckords feature. Maybe even more so, since it sold considerably less.

Amnesiac by Radiohead?

If the Chris Gaines album isn’t a possibility, I’d suggest …But The Little Girls Understand by the Knack.

Amen by Paula Cole felt like it was fucking designed to be on this show. There’s a whole song where she’s writing misery porn in the ghetto with a very stereotypical sounding Black girl name, the title track has lyrics like “amen to Saddam Hussein and Marilyn Manson and Ronald Reagan”, MASSIVE drop off from the album right before it with the Dawsons Creek song commercially and critically, never had a big album after, listening to it was certainly an experience

"The Beginning" by The Black-Eyed Peas, since that album killed their careers for nearly a decade

Chris Gaines

Raditude stands out, Weezer were at the top of the pop game with an album ranting about how they arent going to trend chase with Timbaland and then instantly after decided to work with him on a disaster. And while not a traditional trainwreckord, "Tim" by The Replacements was an album that was poised to break them into superstardom, but amost every single aspect of its release was self sabotaged by the band itself.

"No Talking, Just Head" by The Heads.

Are Turbo by Judas Priest and Chinese Democracy by Guns 'n' Roses too much low hanging fruit?

Huey Lewis and the News Small World. I was disappointed.

Hear me out: Hotel by Moby. I remember at the time it seemed to instantly kill his spot in the mainstream stone dead, and he's written extensively about that period in either one of his two memoirs so there'd be a lot to draw from

Yes, Union. Hyped as a coming-together of the two warring Yes factions but actually a hyper-processed mess in which many songs were finished off by a battalion of studio musicians and there was very little interplay between the two groups. They never had a top-20 album again.

Mind Blowin’ - Vanilla Ice’s 2nd album.

Panic! At the Disco - Pretty.Odd./Cricket & Clover

Smashing Pumpkins’ “Adore” is a rich text for how unchecked egomania can totally derail a career. Billy Corgan first tried to turn in the basic acoustic demos as a full album, then fired their producer to produce the whole album himself, then argued with the directors of the $800k music video for the lead single and alienated radio programmers by telling them they were making a techno record when that was a four letter word while simultaneously burning through half a dozen different drummers. And now the album is considered a cult classic.

- Supertramp, Famous Last Words. The fact that they could tell this was gonna kill the band while they were making it should tell you everything you need to know. -The Moody Blues, Sur la Mer, and for that matter Yes, Big Generator. Both killed any idea of a long term career for a classic prog-rock band as pop hitmakers. Not everyone can be Genesis [I'm not gonna suggest Calling All Stations cause I don't actually think it's that bad] -Smashing Pumpkins, Adore. Simply because it might just be time.

I’m surprised no one’s mentioned Forever by the Spice Girls yet. They were one of the biggest musical acts in the world for a little while. Then Geri Halliwell left the group, and things kinda fell apart. They tried continuing as an R&B-focused quartet with their third album, and… there’s a reason they haven’t released an album since, nor did any of their solo careers go far. I even have a good pre-title line: “Girl Power doesn’t last Forever, this is TrainWreckords!”

U2 - Songs of Innocence. You could argue that No Line on the Horizon was their 'true' career-killer, but I'd argue that the one thing U2 was always known for, was coming back from potentially career-killing albums (e.g. Rattle & Hum into Achtung Baby and Pop into ATYCLB). Songs of Innocence, however, was their first album that didn't hit platinum, was mostly forgettable, and the whole Apple stuff at launch did massive damage to Bono's already contentious public image.

SHeDAISY's second album, "Knock on the Sky". Loud over the top album full of sound effects and bizarre production. The lead single "Get Over Yourself" got pulled after only three months because radio programmers thought it was a "man hating" song, and the label sent spatulas to record stations to encourage stations to "flip" the single, but the damage was already done and the follow-up didn't do anything either. SHeDAISY spent almost all of 2003 and 2004 off the charts. I know people who love SHeDAISY but hate "Knock on the Sky" for how loud and weird it is. Personally, I love the album and don't think "Get Over Yourself" is man-hating at all. They even took two pot-shots at it in one of their later singles "Don't Worry 'bout a Thing", which includes the lyrics "Ever knock on the sky and have it fall on your head?" and "ever found your last record in the bargain bin?" Albums three and four were a lot more toned down, and SHeDAISY just quietly broke up when their label closed.

Ok so hear me out: Steve Vai's "Sex and Religion" He kicked off the 80s by performing alongside rock's favorite crazy person Frank Zappa, but Vai would see breakout success as part of David Lee Roth's solo band with performances on Eat em' and Smile and Skyscraper. This momentum would be maintained through the rest of the decade; with Vai being a consistent presence on MTV, appearing alongside the then white-hot Ralph Macchio in the movie "Crossroads" , joining Whitesnake for their successful "Slip of the Tongue" record, and later releasing his own acclaimed album "Passion and Warfare". After all of that the man would attempt to start his own proper band with fellow Zappa bandmate Terry Bozzio on drums, RnB session demon T.M. Stevens on bass, and a then unknown singer songwriter named Devin Townsend on vocals. The album would drop in 1993 to at best mixed critical reception, markedly less commercial success than his work in the past decade and the band he put together would ultimately explode following the recording of the album, with Vai being forced to tour with session musicians (although he did have the young Townsend in tow for this, he was to put it lightly a bit of a handful to tour with).

I wonder how wrong I'd be for suggesting either Divide or No. 6 Collaborations Project by Ed Sheeran. I still haven't heard No. 6 yet (but I do have it), but my progression through his discography was Multiply -> Add -> 5 EPs -> Divide, and you can probably guess that that progression is one of clearly diminishing returns. I wonder if Turn Blue by The Black Keys or any album after that would count, not so much in the "massive commercial failure" department but more in the "complete loss of relevance" department. Looking through the albums I have, P!nk's Beautiful Trauma and Foster the People's Supermodel stand out, and I feel like some 2010s album by either Gorillaz or U2 would qualify but I wouldn't know which would do it (and this whole comment is before I even get to albums from before 2010).

I'll suggest one I never see brought up in Trainwreckords discussions: Party Rock Mansion by Redfoo. LMFAO were already treated as a novelty act in 2011/12, but by 2016, when moody alt-pop was just about to take over, watching a 40 year old man trying to stay relevant by both trying and failing to adapt with the times (Rapping about whipping and nae-naeing and hitting the quan over DJ Mustard-esque beats or songs with tropical house elements) or by pretending that it's still 2011 and the Party Rock sound is still the dominant sound of pop is just kind of sad. Even for the standards of LMFAO music in 2016, it was a humongous bomb - it only sold 133 copies in Australia, and that was Redfoo's best market. It also features Stevie Wonder, has a connection to an Alvin & The Chipmunks movie, and was proceeded by "Literally I Can't", one of the worst songs of the entire decade. It's just an altogether bizarre record.

Fleetwood Mac - Time, when quite a few of their A-list members had left, and their replacements didn't really measure up, plus they made the mistake of longtime drummer Mick Fleetwood do a spoken word interlude for the first time, and ONLY time.

Eminem's Encore...for us dudes of a certain age, a letdown from which we never really recovered

Chance the Rapper - The Big Day Arcade Fire - Everything Now Happy Mondays - Yes Please!

I feel like Uno/Dos/Tre by Green Day has to be on there. Well they have stayed popular since, there time as major players died with that trilogy of albums.

Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (the 1978 soundtrack album). Trainwreckord for a bunch of different artists and there are clips for all of the songs available.

Soul Kiss by Olivia Newton-John

What the hell, I'll try a bit of a hot take: "Artpop," by Lady Gaga. FYI, I'm a longtime Little Monster, and I've always loved this album. However, Gaga got so much backlash during this album cycle, and all that turbulence seemed to push her to try some new directions later that decade. Even though this 2013 album obviously didn't kill Lady Gaga's career, I'd still love to see your take on how that experience changed her role in the music world.

"Ja Rule- Blood in my Eye" is a HUGE Trainwreckord. He went from 4 multi-platinum records in a row, to being an absolute joke, in about a year. Then his record label folded under crime accusations. It's a really weird story.

Squeeze by The Velvet Underground has always been my number one pick for the show.

Calling All Stations by Genesis Raditude by Weezer Chinese Democracy by Guns n Roses

The Final Cut by Pink Floyd.

Courtney Love “America’s Sweetheart”!

I’d like to throw in another answer of No Talking Just Heads by talking heads

As for other suggestions: • Lil Wayne’s Tha Carter 6 & Chance the Rapper’s The Big Day seem like no-brainers – the former was universally loathed out the gate, and Chance only recovered from the latter a few weeks ago • A Better Tomorrow by Wu-Tang Clan. Maybe not outright trash, but bad enough that it’s the last full-length Wu album helmed/produced by RZA • Nas’ Nastradamus is an edge case – obviously it didn’t kill his career, but it definitely put it on life support; at minimum it made his beef with Jay-Z a life-or-death situation. (The consensus in 2001 is that Nas had one (1) great debut, and everything that followed was mid to trash; rap audiences didn’t warm to It Was Written until after “Ether” dropped). The album itself is very much a rush job, and “Big Girl” is one of the five worst songs Nas has ever recorded. • Vultures 2 is also an odd case – Kanye hasn’t made anything good since 2018, and Vultures 2 did reach #2 on the charts, but it’s the point where all but the very worst dead-enders finally got off the Ye train. Donda 2 might qualify here; Kanye was already well beyond cooked when the Hitler album dropped (and said Hitler album never officially released).

MUSIC FROM THE ELDER It killed the OG Kiss. It’s also funny. I know people get technical about it didn’t kill the band but it’s funny as hell. It needs an episode.

I think you should really do "Bone Crusher ft. Killer Mike & T.I.- Neva Scared" for One Hit Wonderland. That song was huge in 2003, and the artist was goofy, and then Bone Crusher disappeared off of the face of the earth basically. It's a weird story.

Schizophrenic by JC Chasez. Fascinatingly bad record.

Send Me On My Way - Rusted Root this song has haunted me since I first heard it's gibberish in Ice Age

You hinted at "Lulu" in the St. Anger vid and it makes me curious

The Monkees - Head (1968). A soundtrack album and film that tries to win rock credibility but just alienates their pop audience. Their hits and relevancy are over, they don’t have a show anymore, and bubblegum pop would move on to the even less real The Archies which would get number 1 on Billboard’s Year End Hot 100 Singles chart.

Nelly Furtado’s The Spirit Indestructible is probably one of the strangest-sounding albums from a major pop act that I’ve heard.

INXS - Full Moon Dirty Hearts, the first INXS album that everyone panned.

Probably too niche, but I'd suggest mdfmk by mdfmk (technically KMFDM). KMFDM had a couple of huge club hits in the 90s and managed to turn that into a major label record deal, but then couldn't use the name KMFDM for the album due to (I believe) legal reasons. The album tanked and, while they were able to start using the name again, they never came close to mainstream success and have slowly turned into the industrial rock version of KISS over the years.

Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Love Beach The Stone Roses - Second Coming Lou Reed and Metallica - Lulu Black Sabbath - Forbidden KISS - Music from The Elder The Velvet Underground - Squeeze Guns 'n' Roses - Chinese Democracy

Aside from stuff you already covered a decade a good (The Black Eyed Peas' The Beginning), I'd say: Duran Durans Thank You, Guns n Rose's Chinese Democracy and Genesis' Calling All Stations come to mind.

The new Rise Against album hasn't been out a month but I could see it appearing on this show some day. They're calling it Rise Against's St Anger because of the production

Calling All Stations:DD

KooKoo by Debbie Harry Released on the eve of MTV’s launch, the perfect time for her to try for a solo career. She could have been Madonna before Madonna. But instead it was a weird experimental mess that tanked. [I discovered it through your Songs That Stop on the Word "STOP" video BTW.]

Third Eye Blind - Blue Michael Jackson - Invincible Linkin Park - One More Light (this one is probably a bummer) Bob Dylan - Saved (most people point to Dylan and Self Portrait as his worsts, but the Christian era derailed his career again after a huge comeback until the late 90s)

It didn't necessarily tank their career but it's certainly just a... Disaster of an album but MANIA by Fall Out Boy

Considering they're having a moment now, I'd suggest the last MCR album (the one with the spider on it). I always wondered why, after the Black Parade was so successful, that the band just kinda disappeared after that.

Mumford and Sons won AOTY in 2013 and followed it up with an album that got rid of the banjos and acoustic sounds that were their entire musical identity. And then I think one of them went full MAGA? Even though they're British?

Tbh wouldn't mind if it switched to a monthly model considering how consistent you are. Uh let it be by the the beetles? (I don't know music)

Graffiti U - Keith Urban Everything Now - Arcade Fire Chinese Democracy - Guns n Roses The Division Bell - Pink Floyd Bionic - Christina Aguilera I Am Not A Human Being II - Lil Wayne

Never Let Me Down by David Bowie.

Of ones that I've already seen mentioned, Duran Duran - Thank You would be interesting. That has to be one of the most truly baffling decisions in music history considering they'd just defied the odds by making it into the 90s. One that I've not seen, but maybe too niche to get a lot of views: The Stone Roses - Second Coming

Muse- 2nd law, while not a bad album persay, it did in many ways streamline the band into playing it safe on later albums. The album doesn’t feel coherent enough, feeling more like a complimation collection of songs that wouldn’t fit anywhere else. While drones may be worse, Muse never reached the same maystay that they once had. Survive may have been the theme for the olympics in 2012, but they managed that in spite of this album, not because of it. For me, it was the first time where there where songs which felt phoned in. Usually Muse will have one or two songs on an album that feels like filler, but 2nd law features nearly half the tracklist of filler. You let the bassist sing, of which I like one of the songs he sings, but there’s a reason he hasn’t had vocal duties since. And then you get to the two part title track finale, which feels like an attempt to recreate Exogenesis: Symphony, but whereas that fused rock with classical music, we now get rocked fused with dubstep. A genre which lost fasion within months of the album getting a release. The problem is, there was potentional for a great album, the opener Supremacy is a great unused James Bond theme, Panic Station is a fun dance rock song, Survival is cheesy but fun and animals may be the last truly great Muse song. But the album is fused with the band’s worst impulses, and set the stage for their turn into generic rock throughout the 2010’s.

Chris Cornell - Scream. After the Big Country video you may not want to do another act who died by suicide, but when the guy from Soundgarden hires Timbaland, we should all pay attention.

New Kids on the Block - Face the Music

Jennifer Lopez’ This Is Me…Now multimedia project has all the hallmarks of a Trainwreckord – it might’ve helped kill Bennifer for good, and the project itself feels like the real-life version of Welcome to Me (in point of fact, Jennifer is basically the real-life version of protagonist Alice Klieg). What gives me pause is that 1) you’ve talked about it on the podcast and 2) reviews for Kiss of the Spider Woman are good enough that JLo will probably fully recover within the next two months, limiting the ultimate damage from This Is Me…Now. Her previous album AKA might be a good back-up option; it flopped hard & basically formalized the end of “JLo as pop star.”

Everything Now by the Arcade Fire.

The Cars- Door to Door

Dark Horse by George Harrison. ATMP was a classic, Material World was good, then he went on an abomination of a tour, recorded an entire album with laryngitis, put out a sad cover song featuring Eric Clapton who was boinking his then SO, and George never really got that momentum back that ATMP gave him after. He became the worst thing yet, a nostalgia act 🤮

I don't think it's a Trainwreckord if it goes double platinum but I still think The Life of Chris Gaines counts.

Well, to try & name a few potential relative deep cuts for Trainwreckords... Ministry - Filth Pig Squeeze - Sweets from a Stranger Jesus Jones - Perverse Fishbone - Give a Monkey a Brain and He'll Swear He's the Center of the Universe Electric Light Orchestra - Time (well, it's more their US career killer, but still) Meat Loaf - Bat Out of Hell III The Fat Boys - On and On Journey - Eclipse The Prodigy - Always Outnumbered, Never Outgunned Queen Latifah - Persona INXS - Full Moon, Dirty Hearts ...And a few more obvious ones: Janet Jackson - 20 Y.O. (well, I say it's more obvious compared to Damita Jo) David Bowie - Never Let Me Down Again Terence Trent D'Arby - Neither Fish Nor Flesh As for the charges, I'll gladly pay double for the next video, or just pay you again somehow if need be. Whatever I can do to help right now, I understand what you're going through. We'll all help you through these issues.

Duran Duran “Thank You”, I think I just want a Duran Duran video, but it absolutely qualifies.

Sick Boy by The Chainsmokers should be talked about as a bigger flop than it is. I think a lot of people viewed it as inevitable and that their bad press merely caught up with them but it really wasn’t!!! They thought they were breaking new ground in the way album rollouts were handled!! They were coming off of some of the biggest hits of all time! They could have easily had more success

"Chinese Democracy" by Guns n Roses I think it's one everyone has been expecting for years even the Todd in the Shadows Reddit page has been hoping that becomes an episode XD

Damn so many good suggestions in here

Tin Machine II. The band that David Bowie started and then got bored with.

Everclear - Slow Motion Daydream. A commercial flop with a terrible lead single that lead to every non Art Alexakis member of the band leaving.

Nelly Furtado’s The Spirit Indestructible. There’s probably a lot of interesting stuff about the critical response to 2006’s Loose, and the impact it had on her career and her direction

Good Singin' Good Playin' by Grand Funk Railroad. The Band only two years before this was arguably the biggest in America then had a bomb of an Album released in Born to Die in Early 1976 everything is going terrible in the band and they are about to fall apart and then they bring in Frank Zappa to make there next album Good Singin' Good Playin'. They try to change there sound a bit but it doesn’t get them anything and the band collapses after the album is finished. It’s an interesting story and Out to Get You which is the song that Frank had the most involved with is just something.

“Head Over Heels” by Paula Abdul Her 3rd album, came off the heels (no pun intended) of one of the biggest smashes of the 90s “Spellbound”, an album which contained Rush Rush, one of the biggest songs in Billboard history by an artist with tons of momentum from the late 80s up to that point…and yet this album halted everything. And granted some personal issues may have gotten in the way too, but she has literally never made another album since this. Which wouldn’t be a problem if it had any hits and it doesn’t. My mom is the biggest Paula Abdul fan in the world, and even she didn’t recognize this album. That’s a problem. I listened to its singles, and while I’m not sure they’re the worst thing in the world, they’re all over the place. So this album kinda checks all the boxes for Trainwreckords. Not just career killing album, but the artist herself? I mean I like Paula Abdul, but even I acknowledge there’s a reason she didn’t stick around longer. I can’t help but compare her to Janet Jackson except less domineering. Which there’s a place for on the charts, but not for the long term really. So give her a very lukewarm, not well received album which shaky singles, some IRL baggage, and you may have a compelling story on your hands.

Just chiming in with Chinese Democracy, seems MADE for this show. I remember the hype around the insanely long production time and the wet fart when it came out. Also maybe Forever by the Spice Girls because the crashing and burning of the Brit Pop bubble was astounding

Going a different direction, but I think Year of the Snitch by Death Grips led to a series of events that killed the group. Not to mention that it was a serious downgrade in quality even from Bottomless Pit. They went from an act that influenced David fucking Bowie to a punchline.

Guns n Roses "Chinese Democracy"

Full Circle by The Doors. The Doors really, really, really thought people would care about them after Jim Morrison died, and, no.

Duran Duran - Thank You Christina Aguilera - Bionic Trapt - Shadow Work

Pinkerton. Pinkerton. Pinkerton. I think it should qualify since its reception led to later albums being written off by critics and fans alike. Weezer's career didn't totally die after, but it irrevocably changed.

I know these are technically 3 albums, but maybe ¡Uno! ¡Dos! ¡Tres! by Greenday?

* Yes - Union * Various Artists - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band * Happy Mondays - Yes Please * The (Byrne-less) Heads - No Talking, Just Head * Black Sabbath - Forbidden

The Village People - Renaissance. True, Can’t Stop the Music and the general backlash against disco would have doomed any band. But the desperation of their attempt to pivot to New Wave was the final nail in their coffin (even though some of the actual songs still slap). I think you’ve previously dismissed doing Neither Fish nor Foul by Terrence Trent D’Arby; but that would still be an interesting story to dive into, given just how sudden his crash was. Just not sure how to best handle the deadname issue.

Lulu Lou Reed and Metallica

Evanescence's second album, The Open Door, but maybe that's just me. I guess I can't say if the genre popularity just passed them by, or if it was the album that tanked them, but they certainly haven't been the megastars they were with their first album. And it also marked them losing their guitarist and as a result any remaining vestiges of whatever Christian Rock scene they may or may not have been a part of (that was a whole interband conflict in their early days) and it ended up kinda changing their sound over the years.

Pink Floyd- The Final Cut

My request is The All-American Rejects - Kids in the Street, an album I actually like a lot but is a very strange and objectively unsuccessful attempt to fit in with the early 2010s indie boom that flopped so badly they haven't released an album since (they finally have one coming out in January though)

The Stills-Young Band

Did you ever mention Neil Young’s “Fork in the Road” (2009) anywhere? The entire thing is a concept album dedicated to his “LincVolt” electrified vehicle. Not really a “Trainwreckord” per say but definitely a curio

Christina Aguilera's Bionic/Lotus cannot be evaded forever, Todd...

You'll never do it but Lines Vines and Trying Times by the Jonas Brothers (obviously they had their comeback but that firmly destroyed their first era)

If you're going to lean into being a country music historian in middle age, then you're going to have to address the elephant in the room - In the Life of Chris Gaines

Jordi by Maroon 5

Devo - Shout, though getting video footage from that time period is tough

The Big Day is an easy choice. I'd be also very interested in Pretty Odd by panic. It caused multiple band members to leave and was commercially extremely underwhelming. It caused the band to basically turn into the Brendan Urie show and reshape the band as it was known. They made the album to sound nothing like I Write Sins not Tradegies and it was a huge flop as a result

Todd please I literally just got “New York London Paris Munich!” out of my head

Emerson Lake & Palmer's "Love Beach", Genesis' "...Calling All Stations...", The Black Eyed Peas' "Elevation", Camila Cabello's "C.OXO" Queen's "Hot Space" Christina Aguilera's "Bionic"

"Some Nights" by fun. It's an amazing album imo but the band broke up after it blew up. Some real good behind the scenes drama there. Nate Ruess's solo record "Grand Romantic" for similar reasons

The Beginning - Black Eyed Peas. To go from defining the sound of the late 2000s to DIRTY BIT was unprecedented.

Big day by chance? Too soon?

Has Duran Duran had a trainwrecord? Seems like they had one every few years in the late 80s/early 90s? Maybe Liberty or Thank You? Obviously they’re still going and have had good records since. I’d maybe count Red Carpet Massacre as one as well. I love them, but they’ve wrecked themselves many many times.

I have no idea if you would be willing to do a movie soundtrack as a trainwreckord, but it might fit - Sia’s Music Soundtrack. It might not count cause during the years where there wasn’t much good music coming out there was a bunch of her older songs becoming hits because of TikTok and commercials, but since then she’s never been able to regain the momentum she had even as a songwriting collaborator and her reputation has never been fully restored. Plus that soundtrack has quite a bit to discuss on it on its own - it’s the perfect example of her sellout period after her indie darling days and mainstream breakthrough

Schizophrenic by JC Chasez

always hoping for that Encore by Eminem episode 🥰

I will also suggest "The beginning" by the Black Eyed Peas. I know you want to Todd

I've always wanted to tell you this. there is so much potential in having the 2010 Michael Jackson "Michael" album be the first posthumous train record, mainly for so much drama surrounding three of the songs having had an impersonator song them, the case was taken all the way to the California supreme Court as an example of possible consumer fraud. Plus you wouldn't have to worry about blowback from the MJ community, because none of us actually like the album.

Shout by Devo, lost their deal with warner records after they released it

I know this is basic, but Garth Brooks - in the life of Chris Gaines

Raditude by Weezer

I guess it's more of a career killing *film* than album but I feel like Sia never recovered from Music

The Naked Truth by Lil Kim from 2005

McCartney’s Press to Play - tried to go full tilt into the 80s working with Hugh Padgham, featured his first single in or out of the Beatles that completely failed to chart, was basically his last attempt at being a contemporary artist

Third Stage by Boston

The Beginning by Black eyed peas

Fall Out Boy - Mania Eminem - Revival Canibus - C! True Hollywood Stories Metallica and Lou Reed - Lulu

Adore by Smashing Pumpkins

Idk if this is a "Trainwreckord" per se, but "Portals" by Melanie Martinez. Edit: I also submit "Viva Las Vengeance" by Brendon Urie (of Panic at the Disco!) That was a real stinker of an album.

Chinese Democracy by Guns N Roses

Queen - Hot Space. I know they continued to be popular in Europe, but their albums in the US after this one did not do well. Their legacy was cemented, but people forget how big of a drop they had in popularity until Wayne's World brought them back in America.

Uno Dos Tres by Green Day. Do a triple Train Wreckords

Push and Shove by No Doubt or AKA by Jennifer Lopez

Maybe you should switch to monthly…might make it simpler

Green day’s trilogy would be a GREAT episode for trainwreckords

Yes please by happy Mondays