[1.19] Feedback

There are lots of opinions here on the blowjob scene, so i might as well jump in. It thought her reluctance was way overblown. I haven't gone down the options to try and keep her as pure as possible. If I did, this might have felt different. But she's been having sex with Connor pretty enthusiastically, she's had sex with Krangsk, She had sex with the guy during the GNO, and she blew the drug dealer. I'm sure I'm missing something. I can buy that she's nervous about being on camera and being judged by her peers, but that was only part of her objections. The way it played/read, it was like she was compromising her morals for the first time. At this point regret should come in cold water moments, and reluctance needs to evolve into redrawing red lines. It would take some work, but there is a way to tie her thoughts to previous decisions. I think her reluctance to open a social media page makes no sense. She's be green lit. The current mission is the most important. Other than that, the random bar encounters were a good idea, but not good to end the episode on. There was no hook.

In terms of content, I liked the reluctance but it felt too much with how I thought I played my Kate. The brief feelings of "am I really doing this?" in other updates felt just right with her kinks (all of them) but in this update it didn't seem to fit with her previous actions. Would be more fitting with a vanilla Kate but with tri-kink Kate was a little much. I'm always going to wish your updates were faster but it's your creative process so if I'm gonna support you I need to adjust my expectations.

1, lmao i also have the same 'Dani' issue. It really confused me for a minute there. It would be cool if some kind of checks were run to prevent name duplication. But probably a minor thing overall. 2, Yes, fully agree about Kate needing to be lead in the blowjob thing. I haven't mentioned or seen it mentioned elsewhere. It got a bit lost in the reaction to the overall tone, i think. But that too felt off and wasn't especially gratifying.

Ok. So now that I’ve nearly finished playing this update, there are a few things I’d like to point out. Kate’s stage name is Dani. I always pick that name for her, because I just think it suits her best. But now Emilia’s stage name is also Dani. We can’t have two Dani’s working at the club. Is there a way you can go back and change Emilia’s stage name to something that is not offered as an option to Kate when she is first hired on? Second, I’ve already added my two cents regarding the plot of this update, but reading through the whole scene between Nin and Kate, it just makes no sense. Kate clearly is overreacting. The first time she encounters Bonaht at the club, she learns that the girls regularly go back to the VIP and have sex with him. As I recall, Kate seemed resigned to the fact that she may eventually have to do it as well. Her reaction to Nin totally negates her initial attitude about sex with Bonaht earlier in the game. I think that whole interaction with Nin needs correcting. Thirdly, how is her giving a BJ to him any different than having sex with Connor? Neither Connor nor Bonaht are actual customers, so is she really prostituting herself? In my opinion, she still hasn’t officially, but if she has, I would consider the Kob BJ to be a better example of that than with Bonaht. Plus, Connor is actually paying her extra for sex. So why isn’t that considered prostitution? If she’s not whoring herself with Connor, then she’s not whoring herself with Bonhat. On the other hand, if she is whoring herself with Bonaht, then she’s whoring herself with Connor. Now, the final thing I’d like to say is that the actual BJ scene made no sense. The way Kate was being eased into it by Steph, it was like it was her first time doing anything like that, and she’s already done a lot worse than giving a BJ to someone. It made her appear totally inexperienced sexually, like she was still a virgin or something. I realize that going back and rewriting a lot of the scenes will be a big undertaking, but I know you want it to be perfect. Maybe changing these few scenes would be a good place to start. 🙂

The build-up content was more enjoyable when it was tied into the life path. As it is now, there's a bit of a disconnect with the MC / I feel it's hard to truly immerse yourself in it ever since 1.6.1 and that tends to result in a 'just skip to the good stuff already' kind of mood instead.

Sorry that we are a bunch of pervs. It's quite sad, but 60%-70% of us made kate to choose the kinkiest and naughtier possible dialogue option, to see the next step in her road to depravation and, maybe, gain a sex scene (all the way through, not only oral, if possible). I'm not saying that we don't (or didn't) enjoy slow building up of sexual tension, or, in general, the story development, but as someone also said, regressive moments in these kind of games could be a bit unnerving, to say the least. There's also the 'frog tale': if you put a frog in a pot of boiling water she will jump out immediatly; if the water is cool and you slowly raise the temperature to the boiling point, the frog will not jump, dying in hot water. We players are (believing to, at least) slowly boiling the water... So imagine our confusion when we saw the frog (Kate) unexpectedly trying to jump out of the pot. The proposed 'corruption stat idea' maybe an efficient solution. My two cents about this: you get a flexible value from -x (frigid as south pole) to x (wet as a rainforest). You start your day at 0. Assign to every dialogue option a numerical value of corruption. Well, our Kate is able to see only the dialogue options below or above 1 point her current value (let's say that you can also see and choose something with a +2 or -2, but you have to cast a die for it, with some backlash if you fail). Choosing an option above will make her gain a point in temporary corruption. so if you consistenly choose the kinkiest and naughtiest options available to you, by the end of the day you can do something that at he beginning you never ever considered. Temporary or daily corruption points acquired unlock a new level of permanent corruption (to put it simply, after you gain 20 points, you will start your next day at 1 or 2 and not at 0 value). Oh, and alchool, pills, drugs will add some points. Feasible? BTW, all in all you are a great writer, so dont' get overly depressed about all this.

I think a lot of the writing you've done for this scene fits best in earlier segments of the story. It is a good reflective work, it is just misplaced in where it is given the timeline so far.

Also, you know, i get how the general reaction here could make one feel not the greatest. But on the other hand as someone who also loves writing, if any of my work ever generated this much discussion -- even if the general tenor was disappointment with a creative choice plus constructive feedback -- i would be at least as thrilled as anything else. It couldn't happen over something no one cares about.

The updated story was slightly shorter, thinking there would be many scenes, but the result was just oral sex, so I was very disappointed. Then the author wants to step by step train the protagonist to become a slut. It is recommended to start with a fully nude service in the bar. If the boss confiscates the protagonist's underwear, the protagonist can choose to terminate the task or accept the service. My English is very poor, I hope everyone can read it clearly.

I like the idea of Kate having the odd regressive moment, as oscillating between slut and non-slut paths would be a natural thing for someone in Kate's position to go through. Such moments take more selling to feel authentic, and I think that's all that's missing here. Retconning a few more seeds of doubt, and maybe some more setup to establish that Kate is currently in a mindset that is counterproductive to her new profession, so she doesn't have access to the compartmentalization tools she usually relies on. There's also something to be said for tying a corruption stat to related decisions she's made so far, so that Kates with sufficiently high corruption don't go through as much turmoil by this point. While they would admittedly get a much less emotionally charged version of the scene, it would feel more natural to those whose Kates have until that point been as aggressively slutty as possible, while ensuring the more hesitant Kates get the internal struggles consistent with their character.

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Look I really look forward to these updates – in fact this is my favourite game – but I must say I agree with some of the sentiments. The MC is already prepared to sleep with Conner for her cover and give BJ for drugs and tells her superiors she is ok with it – so it did feel like a regressive step in last episode and unneccesary – going over old ground again. In fact this doubt could have been covered in the car BJ scene perhaps. I am not a writer nor wish to tell you what to do, however, I do feel as we have already been allowed to let her compartmentalise her actions - that if you want to add the doubt in then that could simply be an option during the scene itself, or a sleepless night afterwards questioning if she is doing the right thing. Options that can be selected for those who enjoy the characters turmoil but skipped for those who don't. It does feel there is an opportunity to move forward more quickly as she has already (at least on surface) come to terms with her mission and what she must do. I hope that feels like constructive comments!

I get what the aim was in this update but yes I agree, it didn't build off decisions that were made leading up to that. It was all very negative and perhaps some options could have been in being a bit more resilient towards it but still having apprehensions and concerns considering this was the door to bargirl.

To me Kate’s reaction made perfect sense. Even if your Kate was a bit slutty or had lots of sexual experiences, this was something different. She was told too and unambiguously prostituted herself. I feel like even for the most sexually liberated of Kate’s this would be something that would send you reeling. Everything else you were never paid for in cash, never was told to do so, any actions could be rationalized, could be justified that you chose to do so. But not this, this was you selling yourself for cash and I feel like that would be enough of a shock to get to just about anyone. While I don’t want you to not take in other people’s feedback I also don’t want you taking criticism too personally. I can tell you really care about this project and don’t want this affecting you in a negative way.

I had to think on it, but I really loved the update. I can understand some peoples disappointment in it, but its been the first release that has had a fairly wide spread negative attitude to it, but not enough for me to unsubcribe to your page, all the rest have been amazing. I know this update wasnt as much in regards to story or sexual content as people would have hoped, but thats water under the bridge, it has set up some possible additional dialogue in past scenes. So the conflict you introduced in this update, can be applied at early instances, like where she has to get naked and optionally have sex with conner, then the following scenes, like undressing in the office in front of people at the start of the bar storyline and the times she has to get undressed in the changing rooms, knowing its covered by CCTV (this could eventually become her norm, so she feels less embarrsement or anxiety about undressing in the changing rooms watched by CCTV). I like the way its going, I am hoping for some updates to improve the sex scenes in the past, to bring in illustrations like you did in the previous update.. I dont mind if you pause future updates to bring the previously released updates up to date with the new art style or are able to do them alongside future updates. Your work as always is amazing and I look forward to each update no matter how big or small they are, as I know the next one will be better than the previous one.

I enjoyed the latest update, Crush. I get that the sudden change in Kate's responses between previous actions and the bj in the update is jarring. After the regular sexual activities she has engaged in for her cover (with or without her personal enjoyment) and knowing so much had already been witnessed by the bosses the personal crisis she goes through felt more appropriate for an earlier stage in the story. Either that or if Kate had somehow managed to avoid almost all sexual encounters up until this scene or even have just as strong a reaction to each mainstage of her changing standards would have been much less of a jolt. Maybe an agent without the exhibitionist and/or submissive traits that managed to avoid compromises up until now would make more sense with the reaction. Like I said I enjoyed the scene. The conflict Kate felt, the self-loathing and doubt was on point for a less experienced version of Kate. Steph's new rise to emotional support for her and the resulting closeness, alluding back to the looks shared between bargirls performing lez show with their friends was great. The very real affection and attraction developing between MC and a couple of her co-workers is really well done. Please don't be disheartened. It seems to me that you agonised over this release and wanted to get the theme of the story's corruption and compromise back to the fore following several scenes of badass spy Kate. A tough task indeed but one that would work with a little retcon. such as MC throwing up after having (mostly noncon) sex with Connor to get the job. I look forward to future releases without any less enthusiasm.

Don’t be so hard on yourself, Crush. You’re still the best storyteller out of all game creators. My best advice for you is for you to keep coming up with your great ideas, but also listen to other people’s ideas as well. If you work collaboratively with some of your patrons, this could be the hottest game of all time. I know I’ve got a lot of great ideas I’d like to share. I’d create my own game if I knew anything about game development. Unfortunately, I don’t. That’s why I leave it to the pros. Maybe start coming up with polls. Have your patrons vote on what kind of content they’d like to see in future updates, unless that would seriously interfere with your creative liberties. Either way, it’s your game. You do what you think would work best.

Don't feel down about negative criticism, it's all fixable and its still a great game. My suggestion would be to look for feedback earlier - possibly from a small focus group.