Andor 2x10 Reaction

Someone once said that the moment Luthen mentioned Yavin to Lonni, Lonni was dead. He probably would've been dead regardless but his insistence in wanting to know where he would go basically spelled his end. You can see that Luthen doesnt initially want to tell him but once he insists he is a dead man. Because Luthen simply couldnt risk it. If he wasnt able to get lonni out in time and he got caught the whole rebellion would be dead and buried. Lonni wouldnt kill himself like Luthen would and if they threatened his wife and kid he'd give everything up. Of course he likely wouldve been dead either way but its something to consider. And of course Luthen couldve named literally any other planet but still. Movie and real life logic don't always go together.

It’s interesting thinking back to S1E12 where Luthen is on Ferrix listening to the battle and chaos happening on Rix Road and it is a parallel to him sitting in the ship in this episode’s flashback listening to the massacre of Kleya’s people.

I'm usually terrible at predicting where a show is going. I remember when season 1 was airing I said to myself, "Man, what if it turns out Luthen's shop assistant is actually his daughter?" I couldn't have been more right.

That was a doozy. My favorite too.

What can you even say at this point. It’s the show of the decade. (I would have bet good money that the events of this episode took place over multiple episodes, jam packed)

What an excellent deconstruction of conservatism. It's obsolete by its very nature. Your conversations contribute to the preservation of my dwindling hope for humanity.

I saw their relationship to the idea of the rebellion described as: Luthen leads the ship but it's Kleya who owns the boat

"At the moment only two pieces of questionable provenance in the gallery." The greatest writing crew in TV history strikes again.

This is probably the only thing from this universe that is worth watching. The movie that is supposed to follow this is pretty bad, in my opinion.

I think Luthen may not have become a rebel at all without Kleya. He was inspired to become what he became by that girl's fire and conviction. Further, I think it's emphasized that Luthen never "created" Kleya, despite her being a child. Her conviction to fight came from the inside. Luthen often pushed back against her and wanted to make sure she understood where she was going. He seemingly had her make a choice of whether to blow up the bomb and dirty her hands, but at the last moment (just as she was going to do it) stopped her and bloodied his own hands instead. It told him that she was indeed prepared to do it, but he couldn't allow her, at that point, to actually do it.

I think an important part that a lot of people are missing is that Luthen is trying to make up to Klayia for being an participant in the massacre of her people. Yes he decided in that moment to change but it’s not a father-daughter relationship in the common sense. Luthen promised to Klayia to do all he can to make up for this, Klayia is the engine that kept Luthen going she is the embodiment of the resistance and rebellion as well.

I cried with you. I cry every time. Its physically impossible for me not to cry.

What's the verdict on the other Star Wars movies? Are you planning to react to them, or just watch them on your own time? Or not watch at all? Without spoiling anything: Andor leads directly into Rogue One, which then leads straight into A New Hope (the first Star Wars film). While A New Hope works as a self-contained story, it's not the end of the saga. There are two more films in the original trilogy, plus the prequel trilogy. I honestly feel like you're kind of obligated to watch the original trilogy, or at the very least A New Hope. The prequels aren't essential viewing, and they're not good as standalone films (particularly the first two). That said, the overall story they tell is solid, and you might even find them more interesting than the originals. The reason I'm not even mentioning the sequels is because I think they're quite worthless lol. There's no reason to watch them.

Luthen during his speech in S1 mentioned, "I wake up every day to an equation I wrote 15 years ago from which there's only one conclusion, I'm damned for what do." It implies he met young Kleya 15 years ago before S1 in the flashbacks. I think the real "Axis" the Empire has been chasing this whole time is not just Luthen, it's both of them. Yes, Luthen is the face of the rebellion doing mostly the recruiting, social gathering and have connections with various people like Lonni, Cassian, Vel, Mon etc, but Kleya is like "the person in the chair", and all those small lessons Luthen taught her in the flashbacks prepare her to take on irreplaceable role in the rebellion. Like she told Vel in S1 when Vel asked "what have you done lately?", and she said "I don't have lately, I have always". Also, there are multiple times throughout the series Kleya was the one who grounded Luthen when he started to feel the pressure of the missions. Her presence and actions remind him of why the fight matters. Like Luthen said to her in the flashback, "Life shows us what we stand to lose". Part of why Luthen is so determined is because he wants to fight a better future for Kleya. To me, it's a partnership with them, they are a team who complement each other well.

Episode so good you forget the title character doesn't even show up once

Somehow I knew Gilroy wouldn't make Luthen a secret space wizard or some prince, so Star Wars fans being so convinced he had to be a Jedi made me feel like I was watching a different show 🤣 Dulau is such an incredible actress. All the layers of love, respect, and deep unforgiving hatred she has for Luthen are all there on screen. The scathing looks she'd give Luthen through the series sometimes reek of her fear that he will be revealed as weak or revert to the sergeant who killed her people. There's love, yes, but also constant doubt about his conviction. Her goodbye is tinged with letting go of that doubt and acknowledging him finally. I also really admire how they structured the episode. It's a bold move to start the episode with Luthen's 'death' and end it with her goodbye. It's such a heart-rending beautiful sendoff to Luthen.

You guys definitely need to at least watch the Original Trilogy, but it is hilarious to think about you guys reacting to the prequels and sequels trilogy lmao. The prequels at least have a through line but everything else about it just comes out hilariously comical. The sequels have great performances and the casts are great, but its infuriatingly half assed story wise. I think you guys would at least get something good out of episode 3 and probably episode 7 tho(episode 8 has some good stuff also imo).

I really hope once you guys have finished reacting to Andor and Rogue One, that youll be reacting to the original trilogy next. I think youll be much more invested in the world and what the rebels in the movies are fighting for after watching Andor. (If you guys want to include the prequels trilogy and complete ur star wars journey. By seeing the fall of the Republic and Rise of the Empire as well as the Origin of Darth Vader. I'd HIGHLY recommend doing the "Machete Order" which means youre watching the prequel trilogy (all 3 movies) after the 2nd movie of the OG trilogy like a flashback, to then conclude with the 3rd movie in the OG trilogy. Knowing exactly how the Empire came, to then watch the Final movie of the original trilogy makes the story SO much more inpactful and emotional. The prequel is way more political too, something I thing yall would appreciate.)

“I’m going to feel calm when she dies” is one of the hardest lines in LM Reactions history

I thoroughly enjoyed the flashbacks to the young Luthen and Kleya, and now I need a whole series about the two of them. Andor is a prequel to Rogue One which is a prequel to the original Star Wars, and now I need the prequel to Andor.

One thing to keep in mind: in Elizabeth Dulau's interviews about playing Kleya, she clearly explains that the relationship with Luthen should NOT be simplistically described as one of love, or that of a "true" father/daughter relation. Despite young Kleya being "saved" by Luthen, the stark reality is that he ALSO played a direct role in the GENOC*DE of her entire people and MURDER of her whole family. This ugly truth could never fully be erased, and they therefore spent the reminder of their time together building something resembling or at least analogous to familial love, around this central core of darkness.

The Maarva speech: "....fight the Empire!" The Nemik speech: "Freedom is a pure idea..." The Kino speech: "One Way Out!" The Luthen speech: "...so what do I sacrifice? Everything!" The Vel speech: "You'll make up for this forever." The Saw speech: "Revolution is not for the sane!" The Mothma speech: "The death of truth is the ultimate victory of evil!" The Alien Grandma Speech: "Eh?"

I’m sure it’s been mentioned but what happened on Kleya’s homeworld (we don’t know what planet it is) is like what happened with Ghorman except no one cared because it probably wasn’t a wealthy planet with influence. Same as Kenari for Cassian, and frankly likely for the Aldhani’s after the heist. I dont think it matters whether it was the Republic or the Empire. This was happening all the time - no one cared until it was Ghorman.

I will never forgive the academies for sleeping on this show. Andor got snubbed just like Better Call Saul did in favor of White Lotus, because of course the judges were going to relate to a story about a bunch of rich people on vacation

YES! THIS is the episode reaction I actually signed up on Patreon to see. I estimate that 90% or more of people rank 1x6, 1x10, 1x12, 2x8, or 2x9 as their "top" episodes. For me, 2x10 is the pinnacle of achievement in the entire franchise. Glad to see there are at least some fellow travelers here.

I hope you two re-watch and react to Episode 4 A New Hope after Rogue One. It really completes the story of Andor and now you have context.

Luthen Rael was Sgt Luthen Lear, an Imperial Army Trooper Sergeant. The only thing I remember about reading King Lear decades ago is the quote "I will have such revenges on you ... What they are, yet I know not, but they shall be The terrors of the earth!" When Sgt Lear crashed out and decided he was radicalized against the empire, I imagine him thinking that although he has no idea how, he will have such revenges upon all of them.

The sad thing about Jung's death is...it absolutely was necessary. Think about the timing of how everything went down. If Luthen delays even 5 minutes to get Lonni out, he isn't able to burn the console's memory, and everything goes bad from there. Not to mention, Lonni is the most important person in the rebellion or maybe number 2-3, but only because of the actions he already performed; from here on out he can only be used as a weapon against the rebellion. Lonni dying prevents him from falling into Imperial hands, and gives his family plausible deniability. His death saves many lives, despite how tragic it is.

There wasn’t enough time to save Lonni. I hated to see it, because he was a true hero of the Rebellion. Once Lonni told Luthen that the Empire would come at this with everything they’ve got and that Dedra was probably coming for Luthen, his fate was sealed. Luthen had no time to spare to save him. The last three episodes have been incredibly powerful. The Ghorman massacre, Mon Mothma’s speech and rescue, and in this seeing Luthen and Kleya’s back story and Luthen’s death. You nailed it when you said that Kleya was going to save Luthen by killing him. These past three episodes are right there with the last three episodes of Season 1 as the best in the series, and elevate it to being truly great. Finally, you have to give mad props to Elizabeth Dulau and April V Woods for their depictions of Kleya as an adult and as a traumatized child. To me, this episode is the one where Kleya went from being a great but secondary character to being one of the most important in the entire series.

Two things I was wondering when re-watching now: Luthen tells Kleya not to follow too closely when he meets Lonni, so I assume Kleya either watched Luthen kill Lonni or, since we saw her grab a gun before, it could have been her who's done it. In the flashback scene with the execution, Luthen was the sniper, right? And then the empire cracks down on the people there with executions, which breeds further discontent. The same thing that he later does on a larger scale.

"He lied, he said he sacrificed kinship and love and here's someone that loved him" "I lie, get used to it" - Luthen

Did they confirm if they’re gonna watch Rogue 1? I know it’s not the same quality as Andor but I feel it’s an important finale for this journey

“And soon, you’ll be telling us allll about it” Politifact rates this: “Pants on Fire”

My fav episode

knew this episode would get you guys, the season is amazing but i've been waiting for this episode's reaction specifically. a highlight. i love you so much kleya and luthen <3

Also Stellan Skarsgard performed a legendary character perfectly and knowing that he suffered a stroke between the seasons and had to have someone say the lines to him… wow. Luthen might be my favorite Star Wars character and just a favorite overall. So many actors deserved awards for their performances in this.

I love how you couldn't even say anything at the bench scene. R.I.P. the MVP Lonni Jung. And Luthen, even in his final moments, still keeps reminding the audience of his complexity. It truly says something about the writing, that they can make you love a charcter that just killed another character you love. Amazing episode that made Kleya instantly one of my favorite characters in all of Star Wars.

Can we talk about my boy Lonni??? You guys have no idea how much of an MVP he was for leaking the Death Star to the rebelion. Something that will be very important for the fate of the galaxy in the future.

you guys have mentioned the movies several times and i know you'll react to rogue one but will you also react to the rest of star wars movies since they're a continuation of the story? it's a big ask since it's 6 additional movies lol (not counting the sequels which idc about) but is it even within the realm of possibility?

Elizabeth Dulau was incredible this episode and in the show as a whole. Kleya instantly became one of my favorite characters after this episode and Im sure a lot of people can say the same

Fucking criminal how Elizabeth Dulau (Kleya) hasn't been cast in every single thing since this show ended btw. So good they expanded her role significantly once they realised how good she was, quite literally stole the show in her first ever role out of drama school

“We fight to win. That means we lose and lose and lose and lose and lose and lose. Until we are ready”. That explains a lot about Luthen’s attitude, with Lonnie, with Ghorman, with himself. He sees them as losses necessary for the rebellion to get ready. That phrase also reminds me of a conversation between Ta-Nehisi Coates and Ezra Klein (who I do not like) where Coates said that he is the son of slaves, who lived, plighted and fought and never saw abolition happen. They fell short. It is I think a mature way to keep hope and keep fighting in these reactionary times, to remember that change, fundamental change is unlikely, a long shot. The status quo simply has more resources, controls institutions that shape ideology and public opinion, and has the most guns. We stand on the shoulders of people that never saw the sunrise, the better tomorrow, but that kept the flame. Maybe we will see a new better tomorrow. But maybe our job is to keep the flames for the others to get to see it as most people seeking change did. The important thing is to do the best you can and hope for a win.

Totally agree that this episode was amazing and my favorite as well. The fade to black at the end was a perfect ending for Luthen’s character

Little touch of Luthen saying “fuck the Empire” you might enjoy is that the bombing you see him and Kleya doing is on the Emperor’s home planet. For something on the scale of a galactic Empire, that has to be like burning down the childhood home of a dictator in our reality just to send a message

“for the growing good of the world is partly dependent on unhistoric acts; and that things are not so ill with you and me as they might have been, is half owing to the number who lived faithfully a hidden life, and rest in unvisited tombs.”

Hell of a gut-punch to start the final arc

Kleya the Slaya

This and the final two episodes take place in the year BBY 1, but are we in January or December of that year? The battle may be months away, weeks away or even mere days. We don’t know how long yet. You have to cobble together how much time passes in these three episodes, Rogue One and A New Hope, but it’s less than a full year (unless of course this episode takes place on January 1st of BBY 1). Had to get that out, because I have heard and read too many comments that BBY 1 means it’s one year until the Battle of Yavin. A technicality maybe, but I’m an engineer by training and disposition, and I can get a little bit nit picky with imprecision. Don’t mean to offend anyone.

Elizabeth Dulau the ACTRESS that you are 😮‍💨👏 Kleya is her FIRST role….HER. FIRST. ROLE. The women of Andor are something else

“The rebellion isnt here anymore…its flown away…there is a whole galaxy out there waiting to disgust you” THANK YOU STELLAN for giving us this incredible character 👏🙏

The H in Andor stands for happiness.

I sound like a broken record but what an episode. Luthen’s epilogue. Kleya’s acting is amazing in how she tries to hold her grief and keep going ala Cassian. In some sense, you know every choice that Luthen will make. He made his views clear throughout the season. He will shred every human bond of comradeship; ignore the amount of sacrifice anyone has put in if their demise means the rebellion gets an edge. When someone becomes too much of a liability he will spend that life like a coin. He spent Lonnie’s life , who contributed immensely, and he likewise spent his at the most opportune moment. But what really gets me emotionally is his choice for him to do the burn knowing that he would likely get caught and not Kleya. She is an exception to his beating heart, the person who he felt for kindness, kinship, love. In the flashback we see a person who hated not only the empire but himself for taking part in their monstrosities. We also see someone who wanted something more for Kleya. Not just living for hatred and anger, however righteous, but someone who can build some relationships, make genuine connections. He did not know how to give her that. So he dies and hopes that the hatred she was raised to nature hasn’t eaten everything else. When Kleya finishes what Luthen wants she gives him a kiss an act of true love that they both denied to themselves, that really put me in tears.

My fav episode of the whole show♥️ Lonni, Luthen, and my GOAT Kleya

Since this is basically her episode, it's time to give some love to both Elizabeth Dulau, Kleya's adult actress, and April V Woods, who plays her as a little girl. Both portrayed the character brilliantly. I wouldn't be surprised if this has already been brought up in comments, given how many great scenes she's already had, but this was actually Elizabeth Dulau's first role out of drama school. From what I've read, Tony Gilroy was so impressed with her performance in season 1 that he expanded her role in season 2. She has stated in an interview that Kleya's relationship with Luthen was a mix of love and hate. She hated him for his role in what the Empire did to her family, but then every moment she had with him after that was him protecting her and treating her as a surrogate daughter, so over the years she started to love him. It helps to explain why there is both a lot of tension but also a lot of affection in their interactions throughout the series.

"Move." the stretch from ep 8 to ep 10 is one of those special runs of TV that don't come around very often

LUTHEN RAEL THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME

Wait, I've been thinking all day it's Wednesday. On the one hand that's amazing because i was not expecting Andor, on the other... Thursday means way more work tomorrow because it's the start of the weekend 😭 Well, at least I have an amazing episode of Andor to watch now. Kleya was always meant to be one of my favourite characters of the show and this episode cemented it.

Kinda funny but I think the best episode of both seasons were their 10th episodes

"There's a whole galaxy ready to disgust you." And that's how Luthe Rael said goodbye to us, impacting us with his words as he always did. What a character, what a purpose! His story with Kleya was incredibly well done, and it showed us that yes, he had a heart and humanity. He may have chosen a more brutal path, but always with the purpose of helping the universe have a better future. If that's not love, I don't know what it could be called. Hero of the rebellion!! "I have friends everywhere." 🤍

"We fight to win. And that means we lose. And lose and lose and lose...until we're ready. All you know now is how much you hate. You bank that, you hide that. You keep it alive until you know what to do with it. And when I tell you to move, you move." 'Who Are You?' and 'Welcome to the Rebellion' seem to be the episodes that get most of the attention and acclaim from this season, but 'Make It Stop' is my favorite episode of season 2. We finally get to learn some things about who Luthen and Kleya really are, and the writers dispel every fear I had about how they would handle it. Luthen isn't yet another Jedi who survived the purge, or an elite Republic commando who went rogue, or some deposed member of a royal family on a world crushed by the Empire. He isn't anyone special at all. He was just an Imperial sergeant who took part in yet another of the forgotten massacres carried out by the Empire and broke down at the horror of what he was doing, while Kleya was just a little girl he managed to save while all the rest of her people died. They came to a mutual decision that they wouldn't forget or run away from the evil they had just experienced, but would dedicate their lives to 'make it stop', no matter how long it took or the cost to themselves or others. People talk about Andor as 'Star Wars for adults', and it is that, but what I especially love is that it feels like Star Wars from the ground up. It's like a people's history of the rebellion, all the ordinary people who are forgotten by the history books. With the exception of Mon Mothma, the heroes of this show aren't determined by a special bloodline or position of privilege or a uniquely powerful connection to the Force. They're just people who become heroes based on their willingness to stand up and fight in whatever small way they can against the monstrous regime they live under, knowing how hopeless the odds are and yet risking and often sacrificing everything to bring it down. Luthen and Kleya began as nobodies scrounging just to survive, and yet without them the rebellion would have failed before it even started. They didn't exist before Andor, and yet they've each easily become top contenders for my favorite Star Wars characters of all time.

Watching episode 9 and 10 back to back must have been crazy. Two 11/10