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July 16, 2018

This next episode is a heavy one

..and in trying to get it all organized an idea came to me.

We've had a bit of a catch 22 here at C&Rsenal: struggle to find a gun and shoot it.  Episode released, 3 offers to loan what we no longer need.

Also the longer we spend in WWI, the harder the pieces become to borrow and shoot.

My solution for both?  What if, when we have the opportunities, we do partial episodes of Primer?  All the research, references, images, context, animation, etc... but no shooting segment or Maeversation at the end?  Instead we leave placeholder segments explaining the issue.

We could call these episodes "Squib" and keep the same number from the primer series.  If we ever get to shoot the gun, we go back, edit the shooting segment and Maeversation back in by pulling the placeholders, and re-upload the show.  Now it will be titled Primer but keep its same space in the lineup.


So, THEORETICAL example:  We go to Springfield and film handling the Fiat Revelli but cannot fire it.  We do all the research, animate, etc, but no shooting or Maeversation.  We call this "Squib 090: Italian Fiat Revelli"

Then, 2 months later we have just finished "Primer 094: Serbian Mauser 1880" and someone calls up that we can borrow their Fiat Revelli to shoot.  We do so, then edit the old episode to contain the shooting footage, and get Mae's opinion.

Then we upload "Primer 090: Italian Fiat Revelli" and hide "Squib 090" as unlisted.  The episodes still stack correctly and we're more flexible.  Plus they advertise that we need the piece.

Comments (134)

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Richard Anderson · April 21, 2019

I wholly agree with above points. The shooting segments are the less interesting most of the time to most of your core supporters. There has only been a few instances where the shooting highlighted a little understood truth about a given firearm. Yes I like to see Mae out there handling the arms, but the history and context you provide is the core of what interests me (yes I do understand that all of the research isn't just you). I also assume that this path would facilitate a more orderly progression of episodes, since you wouldn't have to start and stop based on the physical availability of a given hard to find firearm.

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C&Rsenal · April 21, 2019

Oh yeah, the diminishing WWI list is a huge challenge

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Josh Rees · August 9, 2018

Sounds like a very workable plan given that some WWI pieces are pretty unobtanium for one reason or another.

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Comrade Crozier · August 1, 2018

Sounds like a great plan! The incredible depth of research is what hooked me on C&Rsenal.

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Eric Seri · July 20, 2018

I think that's an entirely acceptable workaround and personally the shooting parts are the less interesting part of the show. Don't get me wrong, I love them as well, but the historical information and the explanation of the mechanics of the guns, is what I'm here for. :)

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Michael Morley · July 18, 2018

Go for it.

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OLLE3770 · July 17, 2018

Sounds like the best way to do it.

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Paul Hofmann · July 17, 2018

I like the idea for the history alone, and if it works to bait collectors for some pieces this would be magnificent.

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Christopher Dooley · July 17, 2018

I can't think of a better way to address this problem. As others have said, the breakdown of the gun, the developmental history, and the service use are as much of a reason to watch and support the show as watching the guns go "bang". Watching the guns go "bang", and hearing Mae's assessment of the ergo's recoil, handling, etc ARE really cool though :)

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Gavin Rea-Davies · July 17, 2018

This sounds like a sensible, reasonable, and practical solution to the problem of finding unobtainium gats. If you're going to do place holder segments, can I request they have a slight comedy twist to them? Mae with an inflatable/cardboard Gat, some amusing sci-fi prop, or best of all.... Crozier with a little model gat. Go one, let Crozier have some more time in the lime light :)

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Fern Ives · July 17, 2018

I think its a great idea! I enjoy the shooting segments and the Maeversation, they really add to the experience, but I really love the detailed histories you guys include with the guns. And of course anything to help you guys keep the show going is a positive in my book.

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Angus Anderson · July 17, 2018

.... and I'll just like the hell out of all the comments to the affirmative. Done.

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C&Rsenal · July 17, 2018

I try to like them all as I read them. I can't always reply but it helps me make sure I've seen every one.

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Martin Morehouse · July 17, 2018

Sounds like a plan, please continue!

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Richard Anderson · July 17, 2018

Frankly I can't imagine any direction you take your efforts would be objectionable in the least. Lead on oh bearded one and we will follow.

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Chris Ibey · July 16, 2018

I think it's a good idea.

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Andrew of the Great White North · July 16, 2018

A very reasonable idea. Also I for one will be excited to start seeing some neutral guns of the era that didn't make it into the war.

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Tiger in man's clothing · July 16, 2018

I would rather get the history and such without the shooting than nothing at all. I understand that there are rifles that you will probably never get to shoot, but leaving them out just because you can't shoot them would be tripple plus ungood.

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Ryan Ulick · July 16, 2018

good idea

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John S Wren · July 16, 2018

Good idea. If you have the research you can't waste it. In all honesty the history and mechanics are what I'm here for. The best is the enemy of the good and all that.

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Mustafa's Fleas · July 16, 2018

An elegant solution to a very difficult problem!

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Brett · July 16, 2018

Go for it. I watch for the historical research - I'd hate to see all of that held up because the shooting segments are giving you trouble.

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MAvins · July 16, 2018

That sounds like a great idea. Go for it.

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Ted · July 16, 2018

go for it

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Bruce Brodnax · July 16, 2018

Brilliant solution! Please go ahead with this...

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John A. English · July 16, 2018

I like your plan. I came fairly recently to your site; and it would have been helpful to have an overall look at your plan - sort of like an index in a book to see what is where and see your plan. Just a thought. It might take more than one session. I hope your book will be forthcoming as well; I'm looking forward to it. This work of yours has led me to another look at history of WWi, and WWII. Having a book on the small arms of each would be very helpful. Maybe even a history of small arms (knives to machine guns) in all wars in which America was involved, from pre revolutionary war to today woven into the history of the actions.

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Alex · July 16, 2018

Works for me. I know how hard you work on the shooting segments, but those aren't why I watch/listen to episodes multiple times. The research and backstory are.

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Stephen Woods · July 16, 2018

Briliant idea.

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William A Jennings · July 16, 2018

Sounds very reasonable, with no complaints from me! Do what you need to do to keep the content coming!

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Bill Smithem · July 16, 2018

Sounds like a reasonable way to handle it.

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Lynn Phillips · July 16, 2018

good idea!

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Rob Laycock · July 16, 2018

I like that idea

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Will Sullivan · July 16, 2018

No argument here.

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Michael Boudreaux · July 16, 2018

sounds like a solid plan

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Joshua Kerner · July 16, 2018

I love the idea. To be honest, those parts that would be the entirety of the “squib” episode are why I turn into for C&R.

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Joseph Corsei · July 16, 2018

Another vote in favor!

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John Elliott · July 16, 2018

Sounds like a great idea. The history of the design, use in the field, and the impact on any future designs is just as exciting and interesting to me.

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Kevin R · July 16, 2018

I think that is a great idea!

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Nicholas Ford · July 16, 2018

Makes sense!

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Bruce Stein · July 16, 2018

Yes!

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Nicholas Mew · July 16, 2018

Sounds good, can't hurt to do it at this point in the game.

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Trent Anding · July 16, 2018

I like that idea!

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Amanda F · July 16, 2018

Sounds like a great idea.

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james morton · July 16, 2018

I think that sounds like a good idea. I agree with Brian above me

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Brian Taylor · July 16, 2018

As much as I like seeing Mae shoot and give her opinions on the guns, for me the real interest is the history and mechanics of the guns and cartridges. So your plan forward sounds like a winner.

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John Paul Essex · July 16, 2018

This sounds great, and I love the name!

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Thomas C. Bogan · July 16, 2018

Sounds like a plan .

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Timothy Joel Smith · July 16, 2018

Works for me!

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Greg Stachowski · July 16, 2018

Great idea! I agree with the guy above that including Mae would be good, keep the team together. Also from post 1923 stuff, we're there for you and the info you provide, the music or video clips are secondary (I would imagine all the stills of soldiers with equipment etc would easily fit under fair use).

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Guido R. · July 16, 2018

Better than no videos at all! In case you already have access to the gun, why don't you let Mae do some of the demo sitting next to you, like ergonomics, sight picture etc would keep all those Mae fans happy? ;-)

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Matthew Jackson · July 16, 2018

Seems like a sound plan.

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Erik Frimann · July 16, 2018

Sure. Great idea. No need to hover around the stuff - showing marginal guns - while we are all kept in suspense waiting for hm.. other stuff. Still, be sure to find the usual slot for Mae. I would like to hear her expectations, later to hear her view. Anyway, I've seen the episodes more than once. As for post 1923, i.e. WWII. Don't invent problems that aren't really there. It may be that you appriciate a certain approach, but what if the net value for you and the viewers could be found using other, less demanding means? What if we could actually live fine without copyrighted music and footage - as long as we had the real gun, the real research, the real real you and Mae? What could simplify all the copyright issues? The decorations are not the core of the show; so ease the workload and do what no one does better. Like that with the animations, right?

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C&Rsenal · July 16, 2018

It's actually a bit trickier still than that. I don't care for jump cuts like most of YouTube so I have to script in visuals to give myself breathing and refresher spaces. I don't memorize every episode. Without historical photos I'll have to create some other asset, contextually appropriate, to give that interruption. Again, it creates a sort of difficulty vs throwing in an already available photo.

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Stuart Burton · July 16, 2018

Instead of Maevision you could have a cartoon Mae going Pew pew pew

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Matteo Manino · July 16, 2018

This work fine for me; Maeversation on the "bang process" is a unique e very useful, if the squib elp in finding weapon ok. Keep the great job O&crew.

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Mark Williams · July 16, 2018

Anything that takes the strain off the logistical nightmare you deal with is totally fine with me Othais.

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Jeppe Christensen · July 16, 2018

Yes. Just yes.

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Giulio Flore · July 16, 2018

Seems reasonable to me. Go ahead.

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Christopher Pettirsch · July 16, 2018

well I guess that's a pretty good plan behind you all the way.

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411.48R · July 16, 2018

Do so. To see it shooting is only 5% of the pie.

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Afflickted · July 16, 2018

I think its a brilliant idea! You guys put so much passion and effort into each effort into each episode, anything that can make things easier for the whole team will only help to improve the channel over the long run. Plus, it would help to spread the word that you you need a specific firearm. It would dramatically increase visiblity.

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Alina Boyden · July 16, 2018

This totally works.

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Simon Craven · July 16, 2018

This is a good idea

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Steve Zeatlow · July 16, 2018

Sounds like a plan!

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Leonard Heinz · July 16, 2018

I vote in favor of this, enthusiastically.

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jcd · July 16, 2018

Often times, I listen to most of the episode and only watch the mechanically interesting parts - so cutting the gun out of the history section would not in the least affect me. Also, if I get to listen to smart people talk about rare guns, then I can deal with not having the visuals until you can find them later on.

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Luis Alegria · July 16, 2018

Go for it!

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Steven Sanders · July 16, 2018

Sounds like a very practical solution to an increasingly difficult problem. I have really enjoyed all your efforts thus far, keep up the great work!

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Paul Herbert Varga · July 16, 2018

Great Idea!

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Old Man Winter · July 16, 2018

In my best Patrick Stewart voice "Make it so"

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Eric Meyer · July 16, 2018

Sounds like a good idea.

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William Kupski · July 16, 2018

Excellent idea!!! Whatever allows you to produce more content easier, without sacrificing the quality that C&renal is know for is a winning solution!!! Keep up the great work - you guys rock!!!

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Mike Cox · July 16, 2018

Sounds like a great idea

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Mark Churchwell · July 16, 2018

Excellent Idea. As others have said, the shooting and disassembly are MAYBE 1/10 or so of the episode and the "Maeversation" at the end is maybe another 1/10. There's little reason to not do 80% of the work and save yourself the headache of finding the guns.

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Ted Weldon · July 16, 2018

I think this a great idea, I watch mostly for the in depth discussion and historical background though I enjoy Mae shooting and her take as well.

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Jeff Freeman · July 16, 2018

Works for me too.

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jim · July 16, 2018

works for me

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Matt Faller · July 16, 2018

This seems a sensible and realistic approach to take. While the shooting segements are always entertaining, it's the background and historical relevance of each weapon that intrigues me, not whether or not Mae thinks it's muzzle heavy or has issues with loading it.

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Jared Kennedy · July 16, 2018

I like this idea. It would allow you to complete ww1. I assume that you will be taking photos when possible. I do like the idea of seeing all the firearms and hearing the history behind it. I can wait for the shooting bit personally.

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Brandan Feickert · July 16, 2018

Think I accidentally deleted this while editing it; Look, do something whether this or something else or a combination of the two; I for one am perfectly fine (and may even be happier) with you not limiting yourself so severely to WW1 as examples get scarcer and scarcer. If you continue to insist on doing one period until the end every time it will continually get harder and harder towards the end of any one time period or focus, rather than fading into one as you fade out of another; it's unnecessary and clearly causes issues. You don't even need to do say ww2 or a gun that would get covered in a different war focus, but can just insert one-off episodes with a different sort of thumbnail if you want. Tbh I have a feeling that this is something that you'll need to do sooner or later. Perhaps also at the beginning/ end of new episodes you could put a labelled picture of the guns you're really looking for to shoot at the moment, which wouldn't distract or give away too much but possibly help a bit? I think that was basically all I said the first time

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Josh Bowman · July 16, 2018

Sounds like a good plan to me.

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Robert Shockley · July 16, 2018

Genius.

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Cody Strange · July 16, 2018

I like the research and history perhaps more than the actual shooting. Do it.

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A Pete Bingham · July 16, 2018

Great idea!

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wanderer · July 16, 2018

Do whatever works best man! We're here to support you through the end!

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Bryan Sportel · July 16, 2018

Do it. Honestly it makes sense as its kinda how you would do a restoration of a vehicle or airplane. Your in a way doing a restoration of these firearms.

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Casey Muzio · July 16, 2018

If your asking for opinions I like the idea I wouldn't mind missing the shooting section of an episode especially if it lightened your work load and help keep the show on track for me I love the history and story of the guns what you don't get from any other channel

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Brendan Welsh-Balliett · July 16, 2018

Certainly a reasonable approach. As we come to the end of the centennial of WW1, is it possible for you to branch out and touch on other eras, while still doing WW1 guns as they become fully available? That would seem to cut some of the week-to-week pressure, without abandoning the original project or creating future additional editing work.

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C&Rsenal · July 16, 2018

We will likely start to roll in neutrals as we run out of material. Do not forget, adding any other era means abandoning an archive made of hundreds, if not thousands of hours of work this far and starting over on a new reference archive + fearing copyright.

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Christian Hanes · July 16, 2018

Go for it

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Lane Shinogle · July 16, 2018

I'm all for this plan

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Adam G. · July 16, 2018

The history is the more interesting part of the show anyway so Im ok with this

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Keith McNab · July 16, 2018

Sounds good to me.

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James Bond · July 16, 2018

I like it. I would miss Mae’s shooting and input, but it’s a good solution to the problem. Make it so :)

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Jeremy · July 16, 2018

I’m for it

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Jasper Welsch · July 16, 2018

Dude, don't kill yourself. It's your show. Do what is best. I'm behind you whatever you want to do. This sounds like a great idea. And if you need to sneak into WW2 every once in a while, I don't see that as a problem either.

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Sean · July 16, 2018

*Palpatine "Dewit" intensifies*

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Lord Chaos · July 16, 2018

Sounds like a plan. It does raise the question. Why would any one want to shoot a Fiat Revelli?

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C&Rsenal · July 16, 2018

No matter how good or terrible, I do.

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A David Merritt · July 16, 2018

sounds like a best compromise, given the rarity of some weapons.

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Matt Rio · July 16, 2018

That sounds like the perfect solution. Besides, the majority of the content really is the research and historical content. Not to say I don't like Mae. 😀

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Shaun Young · July 16, 2018

I would rather have the show without shooting than no episodes. The history is he more interesting part to me, the rest is the gravy on top. Very, very tasty gravy but not the meat of it.

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Richard Cox · July 16, 2018

I think it's a great idea, actually.

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GARY VEATCH · July 16, 2018

Why Not?

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Vityaz · July 16, 2018

It's good with me. Go for it.

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Daniel Falch · July 16, 2018

Great solution. The backround content is just as, if not more so, interesting than the shooting segments.

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Red Marley · July 16, 2018

I think it would be better not to release an episode until it is complete - but I will support your decision either way

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C&Rsenal · July 16, 2018

I would prefer this. But sadly there are guns we are no closer to firing that have some truly interesting history behind them. I sincerely hope discussing them will lure them out for firing as well.

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Brandon Simons · July 16, 2018

Sounds like a great idea! Good thinking!

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Peter Starr · July 16, 2018

Sounds like an outstanding plan!

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Thomas Stancomb · July 16, 2018

This is a good idea. I understand that it isn't perfect because there is information gained in firing a weapon. However, this is a far site better than going out of logical order, or just not getting an episode because of availability for shooting. The context and history alone are worth making an episode about. Everything else you guys do is just awesome gravy on top.

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JasonPearl · July 16, 2018

I love this idea.

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ERB2 · July 16, 2018

I think that's a perfectly reasonable solution to your problem, but maybe you can find another role for Mae in those episodes. Maybe she can introduce the episode, which can then be edited out in the final version?

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C&Rsenal · July 16, 2018

I think we'll give her the updates and let her do the temporary explanations bits

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David Key · July 16, 2018

Do eeet.

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Keith Collins · July 16, 2018

I can get behind this idea.

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Ion · July 16, 2018

You should do that immediately. Another good idea would be to talk to other gun channels that have those guns to either use their footage and opinions on the gun or even loan the guns. Anyway, I’m down for that idea.

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C&Rsenal · July 16, 2018

Well Mr. Psychic you'll love the Kropatschek episode

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Spencer · July 16, 2018

I wouldn't have an issue with it. Good knows I jump past the last section as it is. One thing that I would say is make sure you have snap caps or brass or something (venue permitting) for shooting mechanics reference.

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C&Rsenal · July 16, 2018

Actually, we have a new partner there... more on the next episode.

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Carl Tyson · July 16, 2018

Do it now. Thanks for all you put into this work. Great solution.

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Nicholas White · July 16, 2018

Sounds good. It must be incredibly frustrating to get offers after the fact.

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C&Rsenal · July 16, 2018

Every. Time.

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Collin · July 16, 2018

Whatever makes it easiest for you. Don’t worry about us, we will stick around.

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Mark D Booth · July 16, 2018

Works for me still get really good info on obviously hard to find guns.

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Phillip Holmes · July 16, 2018

If you are still handling the guns can you have Mae make “pew-pew” noises while holding them be the filler?

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C&Rsenal · July 16, 2018

Actually... not a horrible idea for the placeholder

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Mike Tauler · July 16, 2018

Brilliant! make it happen!

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Robert Turtzer · July 16, 2018

That makes sense. Please do it for your sake and the show's.

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USNA 98 · July 16, 2018

Sounds great to me!

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Terry Rindal Jr · July 16, 2018

I like it. I will watch “Squib” episodes if that’s what you post. We all love Mae, but the history is part of why we watch and support.

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Liam E · July 16, 2018

It makes complete sense We support you not matter what.

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Vlaricshard2 · July 16, 2018

If it means othais can sleep occasionally... sure.

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Shane Hawkins · July 16, 2018

I can go along with this idea 100%.