Dune (1984)
The boyz discuss Dune.
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Hell yeah
What's up Haderach?
Loved the Dune game and how they made up “House Ordos” just for it.
*smirking smugly* Well ACTUALLY House Ordos was invented for the noncanonical but Frank-Herbert-approved Dune Encyclopedia in the 1980s, which was then consulted by the 1990s game developers to flesh out the world around the margins. I could see why you'd get that wrong, though.
https://www.tiktok.com/@benjimanz/video/7334142280544570670?lang=en
A Dune-sampling electronic dance track with a "mindkiller" drop? They're not a Republic serial villain, Gabrus. They "did it" 34 years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1R9nI7g4uw&list=RDM1R9nI7g4uw&start_radio=1
And if you enjoy recognizing various old sci-fi/action movie samples, this 1990s Dallas-area industrial rap crew kicks off with Dune and doesn't stop there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IszyVq3u0FI&list=RDIszyVq3u0FI&start_radio=1
The Boyz mentioned Herbert (and other sci fi guys) as being mad at Lucas for stealing their ideas, but wonder if Gabrus has given thought to Wheel of Time - Aes Sedai/Bene Gesserit, Aiel/Fremen (with wetlander messiah myth), Aviendha/Chani, Elayne/Chani.
I saw Dune in a cinema w/ live comedic commentary from a team called The Gentleman Hecklers (they did some writing for the Netflix MST3K) and they called it the "Nick Nack Paddy Wack" as well.
My Dad took me to see Dune the Saturday after it opened and I loved it. I was 8. I don't recall being too confused but that is lost in a dozen other subsequent viewings. I suspect that not having a tv and having fantasy books read to me growing up for my ability to figure things out. Obviously a weird movie with tonnes of issues but it is a singular piece of art that I will always love. Definitely watch the 3.5 hour TV version. It's not better but it clears some stuff up.
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Not for nothing, but it’s not that the Baron was gay, it’s that that queerness was a trope for being a super-creepy villain, especially back in those days. It’s really one of the things I dislike the most about both the book and the original movie. And I was obsessed with this book in the 1980s when I was a kid. But the lazy tropes don’t end with the white savior thing: the queer=evil thing is also a problem. I mean let’s get real, there are many problems. Honestly I don’t know why this story keeps getting remade. Didn’t stop me listening to the ep though, good stuff.
If you’re my age and were into clubs or the rave scene in the early 90’s, this song was an absolute banger. The Dune samples were the cherry on top. https://youtu.be/5lgQp3OTiNw?si=fB6yybB1HoTj3tjM
Fellow '90s club kid! Glad someone beat me to this one. I posted Eon's other Dune tribute, "Fear: The Mindkiller," above. It was a simpler, spicier time.
As Patrick Stewart charged out to battle with a pug strapped to his chest all I could hear in my head was, “Not like this. Not like this.”
Finally a use for all that feces I excrete during a game
Alicia Witt lives here in East Nashville now. She’s doing music. I have seen her a couple of times. She’s still hot as hell. She’s done a few Q&A’s at the indie theater in town. One for Longlegs and one for a David Lynch retrospective they did back when Twin Peaks The Return was on.
Wtf, why didn't the boyz read the Dune Encyclopedia before this ep?? : https://archive.org/details/dune-encyclopedia -- seriously though, this thing was written by Frank Herbert and can't be reprinted because it contradicts stuff in Brian Herbert's Dune books, but it shows how ridiculously planned out this whole world/series was
Props to Ben for correctly guessing that the Dune universe had a giant war between humans and AI resulting in human computers
As a Dune superfan this episode had me composing a lot of "well, actually Rodgers..." posts in my head. Read them back to myself in Action Boys Subscriber Voice and thought better of it.
Let it rip. Basically the only research I did was from A Masterpiece in Disarray, which seemed pretty exhaustive.
Ai blows. If the Amish had a better publicist and made exceptions for NFL football, they’d have a lot more recruits.
The Denis Dunes are good movies but bad adaptations. His disinterest in the Spacing Guild and Mentats ruins the ending of Dune for me.
In the book the ending feels very rushed. Like wham pow we're in the emporer's chambers. I kinda thought the Denis movies followed that "flaw" pretty well. for better or worse. Maybe I'm off base but i think the guild really kicks in in book two.
Wouldn’t Hunger Games be considered YA? Just thinking that Harry Potter isn’t thought of as fantasy as much as it is young adult but i barely know how to read lol
Dude Ben, read the first Dune book. It’s like a psychedelic LOTR. Masterfully written and ageing so well.
I'd say the first 3 and if you love those just read all Frank's ones
My dad was a huge Frank Herbert fan and took me and my sister to see this in the theater when it came out. As a 9 year old, this movie absolutely freaked me the fuck out and was completely impossible to understand. I’ve always had an aversion to Dune in all forms because of that experience.
Recently did a Twin Peaks rewatch and loved it
the return is better knowing what to expect and not waiting for Dougie to snap out of it the whole time IMO
I love how Richard Jordan is a friend of the podcast. 15yo me was a huge fan of the movie Gettysburg in the fall of 1993, which might have been one of his last movies. He was great in it. I also love how they spent a little bit of time talking about Alicia Witt. She was the D Girl on that episode of Sopranos where Christopher cheats on Adriana.
Gabrus was right, Trump did have an (ex) Al-Qaeda guy in the Oval Office recently, al-Jolani. When asked about it he said "well we all have dark pasts".
Classic ep from the Boyz
Fear is the mind crippler
Benoit is the cross face crippler
Twin Peaks The Return is the best shit in the entire world IMO
It's so good. And some serious overlap re: talk of dreamers, sleepers, awakening, etc. Real Twin Peaks HOMIES will know how it comes together in the end. Who is the dreamer? The sleeper has awakened.
Not only was the Toto guy's dad a composer, he was John Williams ha
I was talking about David Paich. His father was Marty Paich. Joesph Williams joined toto in 2020.
Henry Zebrowski did a limited series podcast about all things Dune, the books and movies. Search "LPN Deep Dives: Dune" if you want to hear Henry scream about Dune lore.
It’s interesting that Tom Cruise was once considered for Paul Atreides in Lynch’s Dune movie, because I’ve been thinking he would have been a better choice to play the Emperor in the new Dune series instead of Christopher Walken. He’s got that artificially youthful, detached-from-reality presence —paranoid and calculating. He doesn’t really do non-hero dramatic roles anymore, but he was good as an arrogant character in crisis in Magnolia.
One cool thing that none of these movies really go into is the reason everyone uses melee is because the shields and the lasguns kinda cancel each other out. If you shoot a shield with a lasgun it basically sets off a nuke and kills both parties. They kinda explain that the shield blocks fast stuff like bullets so when you're knife fighting you move fast then slow down the closer you get in the new one
Dune Pt 1 (new) does lay that out via Paul's fight training sequence.
Gabrus has read the books and Rodgers only played the videogame? What is this, opposite day?
When the SCI-FI network was fairly new, they showed the full length version of DUNE once and my dad taped it. Next time I visit my folks i will have to dig through the box of vhs in the garage and track it down.
Max Averys book gets into all versions that were produced. Sadly there is no full length version. The studio asked lynch to come back to make an extended cut for tv but the refused to pay him. So universal had some in house people throw more scenes in that weren’t in the theatrical cut (I assume this is the one sci-fi channel ran). The online fan cut seems to be the most interesting one out there. Seems like they really did the work to get it as close to Lynch’s vision with what is out there. Because of the unproduced special effects and the fire at universal well never get anything like the first cut Dino destroyed.
I think Dune nerds like the fact that they go from being confused by all the specifics to finally understanding it when it all clicks. It only took me like 3 movies 6 books and a TV version to finally get it. There is an interesting story in there past all the nomenclature
Dune RTS was legit. Maybe one of my favorite early PC games that I’ve played
I think people who legit believe Trump sucked anyone’s dick are just a little too desperate for something too good to be true. The way the email is phrased is clearly “what if photos like this existed” not “these photos exist, does Putin have them”
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Ever thought of spinning off a BookHouseBoyz podcast for Twin Peaks?
I'd stick my dick in a Gom Jabbar for that to happen
Can’t believe we got the return of grapefruiting
It never left...
Quasi Cataract
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I recently read the Schools of Dune Trilogy. I think the Bene Gesserit, Navigators and Mentats are the best part of the books and criminally underused in the later ones. So these books gave me a bit more of that juice, for better or worse :D
Really? I felt like it turns into the Bene Gesserit series after a while
It’s wild to me that Ben didn’t read the source material for this one, especially in this, The Year of Reading the Source Material. Dune is so good! Also if anyone hasn’t listened to the audiobook version of Lynch’s Room to Dream, it’s great and there’s a very solid chapter about the making of Dune
Yeah it's only 6000 pages (if you only stick to Herbert's)
I remember downloading the script for “One Saliva Bubble” from Drew’s Script-O-Rama, if anyone remembers that website of pirated scripts. There was a showing of the entirety of The Return I think at the vista and it made me very jealous. Did a rewatch this year and it’s even better than I remember and nowhere near as inscrutable as I thought. Much clearer story once you’re not as tied by expectations of resolving plot threads from the original.
The Quizno’s Sourdough will free us all.
Vill-Noov. Like the race car drivers
Pretty close. More like Vill-Növ.
Americans inability to pronounce French is so funny. Was Jacques Villeneuve not a big deal un the US?
Whom?
I hadn’t seen this in decades! I totally forgot the floating baron 😂
Friends of Eddie Coyle is by far the longest talked about and not yet watched for the pod movies. I usually wait to watch something I haven’t seen if I think it’s going to done on the pod. I have been waiting for years now.
Ooh are they going to cover it finally? A little bit of a crew tease with The Yakuza with Mitchum/Jordan/Grusin a few years back but Eddie Coyle is so satisfying. Like an old man game Le Cercle Rouge/Heat Edit: oh yeah Richard Jordan is in this
Not to brag or nothing, but my old bjj instructor was in the new Dune. Get that money, Babs!
Babs is cool! I wish he had been in them more. He was great in Too Old To Die Young
Dune ||: The Building of a Dynasty walked so that Warcraft ||: Tides of Darkness could eat my 1998.
Hmm, Stanger likes recycled poopies and peepees
Stanger's mild "Wow" hearing about the Dune quote in Weapon of Choice really made me laugh
same here. Glad someone mentioned it.
ActionBoyz are for cattle and love play!
Dystopia covers all the stuff like the Hunger Games, Running Man, 1984, Brazil, Children of Men, etc where it's an alternate future shithole society because of politics, but science takes a back seat. In turn, stuff like Total Recall, Robocop, & Minority Report are just as grim, but fit into sci-fi because the tech is part of why the world is awful.
Yeah but if you worked in a bookstore or a video rental place where would you put them? The “dystopia” section? Cmon
See, I thought the newest sandworm popcorn bucket was a bit suspect, but that 1984 toy? Ooooo boy. That’s the kind of thing you see drying on a dish rack.
Picked up the used Blu-Ray for $7 and while back after liking the new ones. Finally, a good time to watch this and, wow! It's not as bad I anticipated but having seen the Denis version, it definitely helped me understand what was going on. Can't wait to hear the boyz dig in 🤘
Watching this for the first time after being into Warhammer 40k for years. This movie really brings the influence the forefront. I really enjoyed watching
Good job Kefin Good job Desmond
“Dune, Where’s My Car?”
Dune! Sweet!