October 13, 2023

Episodes or Visual Novels with short Loops?

Hey,

I reflected a lot about the last years. One of the things I was wondering: Should I continue making Episodes or rather make Visual Novels + short loops like other artists do?

I have seen a lot of really outstanding work recently on Twitter from other 3dx artists and they seem to be very successful. This makes sense, because they produce much shorter, less complex animations but therefore the quality is really impressive.

So I was wondering: Should I also do that?

I still want to create games because I love games.  But creating the Episodes takes a lot of time, energy, and money and are quickly pirated (which is not so bad for short loops where I did not invest months of work). Also the turnaround for new products is rather long so you guys have to wait longer. I am really wondering if I should rather make Visual Novels (to proceed with the story) + Shorter Loops with improved Quality. And since a lot of you are interested in the Sensual Adventures Story, Visual Novels might be the better take on that. Because with those I can deliver much more story than in the Episodes.

I could then also easier explore other things, like rendering regular movies as well as VR-Versions. And I could also do commission work again. Ideally also go through the many tutorials that are stacked up on my "Learn new things/improve things To-Do List". Right now I simply don´t have the time to do any of that.

I definitely need to change things, because the number of Patreons is declining, I am burning myself out and overall it´s not a very sustainable situation right now. I do need to think of the financial part of course as well, since I have to feed a family and have high debts from renovating the house (which needed to be done...).

I think I will also have more time to engage with you guys since I would not be that overwhelmed with work. This is the case with the Episodes because the whole production is complex, I am dependent on other people (Voice-Overs, Music, etc.) which also does not make it a smooth experience for me.

What do you think? Your opinion is most important to me! Please let me know, thanks!

Best,

Puppetmaster

EDIT: Since many people asked for a reference of a Visual Novel => That is a very good idea and I will definitely make one (after EP9 and PoseViewer Updates) for you to see what it could be like. Right now it´s not tangible enough, which makes sense. So yeah, we need an example to get an Idea of it. Also for me it would be good as proof of concept🙃

Comments (59)

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JTBT · October 23, 2023

Saw this post on one of those mirroring sites and decided to become a Patron. Good luck with your workflow! You're one of the best. (We recently had to tear down and replace all of our gutters so I can empathize with renovation costs.)

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Puppetmaster3dx · October 24, 2023

Thanks for your support then, very much appreciated!

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Quiet · October 17, 2023

I feel like since you're doing more, it might help if you shortened the length of episodes. I'm not a fan of short loops myself and I became a fan because you were one of the few who made longer videos but I understand that time is needed and that it's a finite resource. Some of the other creators I'm a fan of have videos around 5-12 minutes and I think their work is amazing. A video that starts with a Visual novel for the story followed by 5-ish minutes of jumping on the bed might be a good start to both please the fans and let you have the time to do the other things you want to do/get into. I'm just one guy tho and i would be saddened to lose the quality of work you do if you burn yourself out or it becomes unsustainable.

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Puppetmaster3dx · October 18, 2023

The loops for the VNs are definitely going to be 3-5 minutes each for sure. And there will definitely be more than 1 loop. I do need to make a proof of concept for you guys. But I think the current consens is: I keep doing episodes, but it will take longer. At the same time I will create content that is less work and can be released in more frequent and shorter periods of time.

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Quiet · October 17, 2023

I feel like since you

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mid669 · October 16, 2023

I'm also team episodes. I've never watched a visual novel. An example of a visual novel would be great. After that we can start this poll again xD. I have no interest in games, short loops or VR stuff. The decline in Patreon numbers has only one reason, or rather just one website. As long as the site is online and a clown copies and pastes every post, it will be difficult to get more Patreons. Maybe there are alternatives to Patreon that could help.

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Puppetmaster3dx · October 16, 2023

Yes I definitely need to create a proof of concept Visual Novel and then ask you guys again. But so far I believe it will be less frequent big episodes and more frequent smaller stuff.

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The Layman · October 15, 2023

I'm old school, love the idea of longer videos, episodes (big fan of the Sensual Adventures series). Not into games and I wish the shorter stuff out there was simply a trailer leading to something longer. That being said, I understand there are complexities involved so for me a compromise would be something in the 10-15 min range.

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Puppetmaster3dx · October 16, 2023

Yeah I tried to reduce the time for EP8 and EP9. But EP9 is again 18 minutes. As soon as there is some story and more than 2 poses, times increase. Can´t help it :)

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LGAR 2 · October 15, 2023

ill take what i can get! love all of yr stuff. shorts of each character like "brittany home alone" might be a nice intro to each.

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Puppetmaster3dx · October 16, 2023

That is a very good idea! I could make that for each character.

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Dracon · October 14, 2023

I echo some of the other comments: ultimately, I want you to do whatever is best for you. I'll continue to support you. I voted for episodes because you do such a fantastic job of them, and I would hate to lose them going forward. That said, have you considered doing episodes less frequently? Since I discovered you back in Episode 1 of Sensual Adventures, I've been amazed at how quickly you're producing episodes (and games!). I would be happy to have one episode per year or 18 months; you could even do one every other year and still be one of the fastest producers in 3DX at your level (the highest level). So, why not do visual novels as your day-to-day, and episodes as you can? Also, don't be afraid to make those of us who voted for episodes put our money where our mouths are: set up a special tier for episodes production, decide on a budget that you feel would make doing an episode worth it, and wait until there is enough *additional* revenue beyond your other tiers from the episode tier alone to fund it, or work on an episode commensurate with progress towards funding it. The whole point of Patreon is for us to fund your work, so we should be funding you such that you shouldn't be facing financial concerns that prevent you from doing the work.

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Puppetmaster3dx · October 16, 2023

Yes less frequently is an option, but the problem is that sales go down very quickly. So I constantly have to produce content that can be sold. Increasing the tier pledges is something I would like to avoid... people in general have less and less money and I am already super happy that you guys help me so much. But all good points from you, I will definitely think about it. Maybe less frequent big releases and more smaller inbetween...

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RolandGaming12 · October 13, 2023

I would like to vote both, I love your episodes and games and I would like to see how well you could make a visual novel as I do enjoy sitting down with one of them for a few hours here and there when taking a break for bigger games.

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Puppetmaster3dx · October 16, 2023

That definitely sounds like a good plan :)

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Josh Logan · October 13, 2023

Smart decision to do what keeps the most money coming in. As a fan I enjoy your full length movies but I also don't think they need to be as long. I'd be happier with shorter clips done more often and a full length feature whenever as a special release. Hope this helps:)

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Puppetmaster3dx · October 13, 2023

Thanks, yes it does help :)

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Gilver · October 13, 2023

Ultimately you should do what you feel is best for you energy and health wise when it comes to your work, your videos have always been worth the wait and the short loops are great too so it would be a win either way if you ask me me. With short loops you could definitely take some strain off your back

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Puppetmaster3dx · October 13, 2023

Thanks, I am still in the process of finding that out.

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Will · October 13, 2023

The episodes are what made you stick out for me and something that you very rarely get, especially in that quality. So I would be sad to see episodes go. But the most important thing of course is that it remains viable for you and you can continue to produce great stuff without suffering for it. I don't know if it's possible to have a mixture of both options. That you still make episodes, but with reduced quantity and a wider timeframe. Like, maybe only one per year or year and a halve. And in the mean time, instead of a 2nd episode a year, to work on VN with animation loops that are less time/work extensive to produce. Whatever option you choose I'm sure you can make it work and continue to produce good stuff!

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Puppetmaster3dx · October 13, 2023

That's what I am currently planning. Have more smaller products/updates inbetween bigger releases. I just need to be careful not to do too much. I definitely need to create a VN as proof of concept

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Glass River · October 13, 2023

I think visual novels woth loops are a good way to go. It's basically nice stills with some action animations. Faster turn around, more engagement with the followers, etc. Brittany cam-show with polls for requests even? It's nice to have longer episodes, but like you said - they take a long time and are hard work :(

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Puppetmaster3dx · October 13, 2023

Cam show with polls for requests is an amazing idea!

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Robert D. · October 13, 2023

Come on guys. He clearly said he’s struggling with the episodes and continuing down that route may spell the end of his content creation. And most of you STILL voted for that? *smh* I voted for VN’s because I want you to be successful in your art and your Patreon. Despite what ppl may have voted for you need to do what’s best for you and your team/family. If you need to pivot the business strategy then by all means do it.

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Puppetmaster3dx · October 13, 2023

But it´s great to get feedback. Every opinion is appreciated. And it's also good for me to get more in touch with you all and hear differen approaches.

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Sekundar · October 13, 2023

I certainly like the longer episodes, but i would prefer most of your efforts to go to a game (like the pose viewer but more fleshed out) and then have addional episodes that continue the story. I mean lets be real - there are certain scenes that gets me/us off the most. these one we repeat on a loop. I can see this working in a Novel format. A playble game with lasting support would a slo be a great USP for you since there really isnt any other good 3D-Futanari game out there.

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Puppetmaster3dx · October 13, 2023

The next game will definitely be more fleshed out! I have big plans for that :)

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Alyssa · October 13, 2023

Personally, I prefer the longer stuff, since everyone is doing short loops. But if money is the issue, I can understand if you want to not focus on that anymore.

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Puppetmaster3dx · October 13, 2023

Thanks for your understanding! Nothing is decided yet, still gathering feedback

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Populuxe · October 13, 2023

I voted for episodes, but I understand if the finances don’t allow you to continue with them. I’d like to see a visual novel/short loops example from you just to see what you’re thinking of for them.

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Puppetmaster3dx · October 13, 2023

Oh yes, I need to create one as proof of concept. Also for myself

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JBOSS · October 13, 2023

Your dedication to quality and your integrity for reliability is quite inspiring. It’s what made me join your adventure. Pirated videos serve two purposes: marketing and reach. Often these terms are used interchangeably as they drive a specific effect - pledges. Your work is so good, those who can afford convenient access largely become patrons; however, being your production crew is limited by household income the risk is completely carried by those involved and losses are compounded. Your work is incredible! It’s also a small niche within a largely still controversial sub-culture. To be honest, I’m impressed your episodes have made it this far, they are a testament to your loyal fan base and once again your amazing talent. But given your circumstances, this is not sustainable. I see three choices ahead for you and even though your fans appreciate the welcomed feedback, ultimately we’ll keep taking because we don’t bear the risk, so the choice has to be yours alone. I will say though, whatever you decide, I have no doubt the work will continue to be amazing. 1. Find an investor (this comes with its own risk and issues when sharing ownership and scaling) 2. Reduce production quality (my elementary grasp of your character leads me to believe this is not an option for you) 3. Pivot to a more manageable output medium Of course other options exist, but these seemed the most feasible. We can’t make the decision for you and each one carries new adventures. For me, I’ll continue to support your talent, dedication, and passion for as long as my circumstances allow. Cheers 🍻 💛

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Puppetmaster3dx · October 13, 2023

Thanks a lot, finding an inverstor also came to my mind. But so far no luck :(

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Essence · October 13, 2023

I rather you stick to making episodes. Yeah they take time but the attention to detail you put into is next level. Not trying to put down people visual novels but what made me chose your games because it allow more interactivity then a visual novel. I do feel that if you ho that route it may have people leave your patreon because they are other developers that do whole visual novel porn stories, but what sets your apart is the VA and that characters move and interact with each other in real time. So keep on making the episodes we are willing to wait for you to achieve your vision.

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Puppetmaster3dx · October 13, 2023

Oh I definitely consider that also. In the next game I want to have quests and a relationship system. That will add a lot as well!

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BenderIsGreat · October 13, 2023

I've never been a huge fan of visual novels. But, I wouldn't mind a change. I would like to know what you could do different to make them a more interesting. Maybe throwing in mini-games or interactive sequences?

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Puppetmaster3dx · October 13, 2023

Let's see what my proof of concept will be/look like. I am interested in that myself :)

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BoudaMan · October 13, 2023

As much as I like the episodes… I’m with you; visual novels with partial, higher quality animations could work out very well, especially given the circumstances (like the pirating😒). I’m very patient, so I don’t mind waiting for episodes, buuuut… I’ve also gotta admit, the newer stuff really struggles to run on my laptop 🥲🫠. Unfortunate, because you’ve got some of the best content (in my opinion). That said thouugh, I’m hoping that the poseviewer idea sticks around, even if episodes were to dwindle. Poseviewer + visual novels = 😯 And I mean, it’s good to prioritize your family and health, we are only human, with too little time. I’ve been a patron for a while, and I see the potential changes as a good thing, for everyone all around. Bottomline, do what you think is best, PM. 💪

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Puppetmaster3dx · October 13, 2023

But all the newer stuff is also in MP4 Movie format, not only realtime! That should run super smooth. And thanks a lot for your understanding!

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ZaerB · October 13, 2023

Honestly, I joined your Patreon solely for the quality of your work with the episodes. I truly love them and they are some of the more detailed 3d work I've seen on the web. That being said, I understand the toll it must have on you to keep producing such stellar content. I'd love to have more episodes but the shorter visual novels with loops sound appealing as well. Do whatever works for you, whether you want to dabble in the novels and see how it goes or just keep at it with the episodes, I'll still be a fan regardless lol.

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Puppetmaster3dx · October 13, 2023

Thanks for your understanding!

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Stephen Glick · October 13, 2023

How about some examples of the visual novels. If you're already doing that I apologize.

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Puppetmaster3dx · October 13, 2023

Yes, I definitely need to create a proof of concept

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Redanimator · October 13, 2023

Happy Futa Friday 🍆❤️🎈

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Puppetmaster3dx · October 13, 2023

Hyppe Futa Friday 🥰

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Brigma · October 13, 2023

As others have said, the episodes are what set you apart from other creators. If you did what everyone else does, then you would be competing with everyone else for patreons. I'm guessing more than a few patreons support you specifically because of the episodes. If you switch gears to something else you run the risk of alienating your base

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Puppetmaster3dx · October 13, 2023

Good point!

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mark · October 13, 2023

do you think there's story lines where a episode would be better than a VN?

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Puppetmaster3dx · October 13, 2023

Out of the blue nothing comes to my mind. Episodes can be more dramatic with the editing&music/sounds... But I have not explored VN yet and how well it works in those.

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Whitesnake · October 13, 2023

How about "both"? While working on a major release or main episode, you may release a small scene here and there, with new settings, or maybe extending existing ones. I wouldn't mind an extra pose or two in Ep. 8.

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Puppetmaster3dx · October 13, 2023

That is the current plan :)

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TheGreatCornholio · October 13, 2023

I have to say that the attraction of big animated movies is far greater for me and I won't lie I've been a patron here especially because you make movies with voiced dialogue. There are so very few creators that make big movies that include intros and dialogue and stuff like that, especially for futa. Even Miro after scamming for 5 years with Bloodlust has given it up for the moment. I especially love the small animated transitions between positions (like in ep8 when Trin goes from kissing B's neck to eating her ass) and penetrations. But I understand you want stuff that you can release faster so you can attract more people to the patreon. It's hard to subscribe monthly knowing you have to wait a year for 20-30 minutes of total animation including the loops, and there are plenty of pretty "trash" VN devs that have huge followings. And yes, you would be able to get a lot more nuance and story in a VN. You'll also be shocked to learn that VNs get pirated even faster faster :D. I do also have some questions about VNs with loops, especially how complex will these "loops" be? Will they be voice acted and I don't mean moans, I mean the little bits of dialogue during the sex? Will they have have the different angles for the same pose? Will they have the small variations (like in EP8 Britney turning around to push Trin's mouth into her ass and then putting her hands back on the car) and transitions/penetration (i.e. start) shots? Or will they be just the girls moving in a certain position? Taking this into account my preference for your work would be for you to keep a few Big Event (TM) Episode movies from time to time (similar to episode 4 or 7), but you can move other stuff, especially "smaller" stories (like episodes 5,6,8) and also have some bigger story heavy episodes into VNs. I'm gonna put my vote into Episodes, but it is actually for "Less frequent Big Event(TM) only episodes, with a mainstay of VNs between them." But bottom line for me is whatever keeps you creating content and whatever is sustainable for you.

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Puppetmaster3dx · October 13, 2023

Thank you so much :) There would definitely be a bit of dialogue during the Loops as well. I actually think of them like the short clips I have been releaseing (Scissor for example recently). A bit of talking, moaning, different angles etc. And also some variations, definitely!

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martinmde · October 13, 2023

Actually the episodes are becoming less and less complex. And more and more boring, sorry . I think the initial question is wrong, you should think about other sales channels, like Brazzers or Dorcel . I guess they also have the means , the legal measures to protect you from piracy. collaborating with other people is a good idea, it is just too much work for a small team. Many 3D artists seem to have been going out of business . this is sad , maybe they can be reactivated so that you form a big team . I would apreciate that

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Puppetmaster3dx · October 13, 2023

Every opinion is appreciated! From a production point of view the Episodes become more and more complex because of the many productions steps. And the more we have, the more troubleshooting is required. Even big companies can´t fight piracy, so that's not something to consider I am afraid... But yeah, boring... I think with VNs that can be countered. I will definitely give it a try! Because with those we can tell much more story (=more interesting) than with the Episodes. Another good tool to tell stories will be the next game as well of course. With quests, relationships, etc.

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ProdigalGeek · October 13, 2023

I really struggled with answering this because I feel no one does Episodes like you do, and joining your Patreon for the past few years to get every movie/game in your catalog each month has been such a bargain for me. Seeing you grow and develop as a creator with each Episode has been absolutely amazing. But I recognise that you are asking for direction and that creating Episodes are no longer sustainable for you. While I will miss Episodes, my vote therefore has to be for Visual Novels and Short Loops, which I know you will still put in your all and will still carry your high standard of production. Ultimately PM. I will choose the option that has you still creating for us. I'd rather you do what burns you out less and keeps you going than not getting any more PM content.

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Puppetmaster3dx · October 13, 2023

You always find nice words to build me up, thank you! 🥰

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Dwi-Tee · October 13, 2023

PM go with what works best for you and yours. I love your movies but you are correct they are not sustainable anymore. As long as I get to see how the story goes, it works for me. I'm fully invested in the lives of the girls. So visual novels gets my vote.

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Puppetmaster3dx · October 13, 2023

Thanks for your feedback!