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January 21, 2024

PATRON TAKES - Star Trek TNG - Season 2 Episode 3

Comment on this post your ‘takes’ on this episode and we will read a few in our discussion!

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- A brief review (2-3 sentences) of why you like/dislike the episode

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- A prediction of how you think we will react to a certain aspect of the episode

- A fun fact about the episode

We are watching this episode Monday, so we won’t be reading the comments on this until then. If you have questions shoot us a message!

Comments (66)

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Crush · January 24, 2024

Best episode, so far.

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Rhett Coates · January 24, 2024

Guys, you can watch Daniel Davis in his other famous role: Niles, The Butler, on "The Nanny" sitcom (1993-1999). His interaction with lead actress Frran Dresher is hysterical, proving Davis has a tremendous sense of comedic timing. And here's the most astonishing item in his film career that's "sort of" related to Star Trek - it's about the AIRCRAFT CARRIER U.S.S. Enterprise (CNV-65; the TOS starship was named after this carrier), which was in service from 1961 to 2012: Daniel Davis portrayed the CAPTAIN of the Enterprise (!!) in the movie "The Hunt For Red October." In a side note (peripherally related), Lucille Ball, who was running Desilu during TOS years and green-lit the show from the start, co-starred with Henry Fonda in the 1963 movie "Yours, Mine and Ours" - where Fonda's character was in the Navy and an officer aboard the USS Enterprise carrier, which many in the navy called "The Big E." In a way, naming TOS's starship after the carrier was also a heart-felt nod to Lucy, and her "related" history to the carrier. BTW, they're building a new USS Enterprise carrier in Newport News, Va. , to be launched in a few more years: CVN-80.

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James Knight · January 26, 2024

I loved "Big E", it's ashame she wasn't available for ST:IV though the Ranger was a good substitute.

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Ian Westcott · January 23, 2024

Finally the payoff to Data's flirtations with Holmes mysteries in Season 1. :-D This is one of a few very expensive episodes this season. All those costumes and sets broke the budget in ways that transporters and phasers and claymation parasites did not! This is one of those "holodeck episodes taken to the next level", with Moriarty's self-awareness, and then his reasonableness and non-antagonism. That he was created as an antagonist but not an evil man was a really nice touch to me. Also seriously who designed the holodeck? It can create sentient life? Safety protocols can be overridden to a fatal degree? Hoooow? How is there no board or group that decides that cannot be allowed to happen?

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Mike Rogers · January 23, 2024

A very lovable episode. Lots of fun moments. The idea that all it takes for the computer to make a holographic character that achieves self awareness and is able to affect the ship is for Geordi to request one that can defeat Data is far fetched though. They did shoot a scene noting that one day they probably could find a way to get Moriarity out of the holodeck because they were able to take the drawing of the Enterprise out of it.

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Jovet · January 23, 2024

Yeah, that's one of those facepalm moments. Like a Data contraction. I guess paper is benign enough to be fully synthesized and not holographically simulated. Water seems to be the same.

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Glenn Johnson Barnes · January 22, 2024

One of my early favorites.

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DataDroid · January 22, 2024

What's your knowledge of Sherlock Holmes canon? As a Trekkie and a Sherlock Holmes fan this episode is gold for me.

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Call ‘Em Greg · January 22, 2024

Another holodeck goes wrong episode! Geordi almost destroys the Enterprise all because of semantics. Nice job Chief Engineer! Words matter! I’m curious what your take is on Dr Pulaski at this point. She’s a character that divided a lot of the fanbase at the time of the series’ first run. However I have found on subsequent viewings that there is much more depth to her character (and frankly she’s written better) than to Dr Crusher.

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Glenn Johnson Barnes · January 22, 2024

Interesting take on Pulaski..always nice to read differing perspectives. Personally I always preferred Crusher for the opposite reason. She felt completely fleshed out, while Pulaski always seemed a little one dimensional to me.

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Nolan · January 22, 2024

Some more continuity, building on Data's interest in Sherlock Holmes and sparking my own. But I feel the concept of the episode isn't fully realized and is a bit anti-climactic, but it was nice to see this period piece of an episode regardless.

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Badger · January 22, 2024

Picard utters "Merde", the French word for "shit". As it was said in a foreign language, it passed the TV censors. Merde is sometimes translated as "damn" in subtitles.

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Jovet · January 22, 2024

Oh yes! I meant to mention this too! It's an infamous moment in TNG! Pretty hilarious, in hindsight! You beat me to it.

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KMScudder · January 22, 2024

I got chills while re-watching this episode considering recent advances in generative AI technology like ChatGPT. We now to have to chose our words carefully when asking for things from our technology.

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Duane Chancey · January 22, 2024

Sherlock Data is back! I loved this one then and still do...Probably because Data is my Fav character. I think Pulaski is warming up to Data a bit more. Interesting story of a Holodeck character becoming Sentient but not able to leave the Holodeck. You guys should like this one....if for no other reason that it is entertaining. That's it. 😀🖖

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WEB · January 22, 2024

Worf being startled by Picard's tophat is priceless

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Jovet · January 22, 2024

Bingo! LOL!!!

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Darin Wagner · January 22, 2024

This episode is hard to talk about without spoilers, but suffice it to say you guys should find it interesting but also dated. No pun intended.

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Regan · January 22, 2024

They read the Patron Takes after watching the episode, so you only need to worry about spoiling things from later episodes.

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JD Nevesytrof · January 22, 2024

Not gonna lie, I would watch an entire side series with Data and La Forge as Holmes and Watson, it's such a fun setting for them to play around in.

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Anthony Bernacchi · January 22, 2024

Fun fact: The description of Holmes' violin-playing that Geordi writes in Watson's journal is not a quotation from one of Conan Doyle's Holmes stories. That is Geordi's own description of Data's violin-playing, written in Watson's voice as though referring to Holmes.

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Joe Concepts · January 22, 2024

- "Computer, disregard and cancel my previous requests to give Data a worthy opponent." - "Sorry, all commands are final."

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Jovet · January 22, 2024

"All plot armor is impenetrable. "

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Matthew McKinnon-Gray · January 22, 2024

I like the episode but I wish They’d tried to replicate McCoy/Spock relationship with Worf instead of Data. Worf can give as good as he gets but Pulaski feels like a bully every time she picks a fight with Data.

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Jovet · January 22, 2024

I consider this episode pretty weak, at last from the sci-fi perspective. The verbal slip-up from Geordi is pretty amusing. But everyone seemed to forget Dr. Beverly's advice: WHY DON'T YOU JUST SHUT IT OFF?? In a realistic world, there's no reason they don't have full control over where power is being utilized in the ship. Turn off or physically disconnect the holodeck! Problem solved, episode over.

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Thicketdweller · January 22, 2024

While it is a bunch of technobabble, They say that they cannot disengage the hollow deck, and stop the program, and in order to shut the program down in a forced shut down manner, would be to run high energy particles through a conduit into the holo-deck destroying the holo-deck creations, as well as the human flesh, so shutting it down Wasn’t truly an option Of course, this all boils down to the scenarios are only true, because the writers wrote them that way

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Chtphr Rrr · January 22, 2024

On the holodeck. Yeah, I liked that episode.

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TalynStarburst · January 22, 2024

I knew immediately that problems were going on rise when Geordi asked the computer to make an adversary capable of defeating Data. This is where Picard had to come in to solve the issue.. great episode!

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Eric Bundy · January 22, 2024

This one is a personal favorite of mine with the holodeck shenanigans, and just because I’m a huge Sherlock Holmes fan. Daniel Davis shines as Moriarty and kind of leaves you wanting to root for the villain to get his wish to be free of the holodeck.

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David Brown · January 22, 2024

Diana Muldaur actually requested to not have her credit be in the title sequence. In Hollywood it is considered to be higher prestige to be credited with "Special Appearance by..." at the end of the Guest Starring credits.

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Gregory · January 22, 2024

Sherlock Holmes, Holodeck shenanigans, and out thinking the computer. Middle of the road season 2 episode, but a little fun

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tyranusfan · January 22, 2024

To quote Beverly: “Just shut it off!” But, honestly, Data as Sherlock Holmes never gets old. Interestingly, despite Daniel Davis’ British accent here (and subsequently on the sitcom The Nanny), he’s actually from Arkansas! You can hear his normal accent in The Hunt for Red October, where he ironically played captain of the USS Enterprise and clashed with Alec Baldwin’s Jack Ryan.

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Eric Bundy · January 22, 2024

Fun fact also in Hunt for Red October is Gates McFadden who played Jack Ryan’s (Alec Baldwin) wife

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Nerd's Gold · January 22, 2024

The mystery elements of this episode are very good. The writers paid attention to detail, and played the audience very nicely with the "third mystery" that Data eventually figures out.

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Nerd's Gold · January 22, 2024

Brent Spiner really plays with Data here. This episode starts getting into actual friendship instead of just being colleagues. Pulaski is a little annoying but overall in character. You can decide whether her dislike of technological beings is a put on that she drops or if she truly has a change of heart (because I recall her treating Moriarty far different than Data).

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StonyD · January 21, 2024

Daniel Davis as Moriarty gloriously eats the scene around every actor until Patrick Stewart shows up. Great performance!

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Thicketdweller · January 21, 2024

In my opinion this is the best Dr Polaski episode. I would have liked to have seen an episode where they interacted with Tarzan in a holodeck jungle. I mean the juxtaposition of transporters versus flinging through the jungle by vine, would give quite a then and now perspective. Having seen this crossover to Holmes story, what other IP would you like to see TNG utilize My dream never happened but yours might.

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Jovet · January 22, 2024

You can edit your original post (and delete this corrective one) by clicking/tapping on the three dots near your post.

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MrDeadstu · January 21, 2024

IMO the first memorable episode from S1&2. A self-inflicted crisis derived from goofing-off. Are you satisfied with the ending solution? BTW If you didn't notice yet, Dr Pulaski (Diana Muldaur) played 2 roles in ST:TOS.

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Millenial_Manc · January 21, 2024

Another lazy filler episode that’s elevated by a stellar performance from Daniel Davis. I’ve always wondered why they had Pulaski eating crumpets; many Americans don’t know what they are.

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Jovet · January 22, 2024

Because Moriarty is English!

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KatWithAttitude · January 21, 2024

And the holodeck does not malfunction here. It does what it is asked to do.

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Jovet · January 22, 2024

No. It malfunctions.

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Monty Crawford · January 21, 2024

This is a great episode....and little known fact: The Sir Arthur Conan Doyle estate took a bit of issue with using the Moriarty character they way they did, was a bit of a legal issue for awhile.

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Regan · January 21, 2024

This is one of the most memorable season 2 episodes. Seeing Brent Spiner (from Texas) and Daniel Davis (from Arkansas) pulling out their best English accents is worth the price of admission just by itself. And I reeeaally want that model of HMS Victory.

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Alan F · January 21, 2024

The very first time I watched this I thought it was going to be a dumb 'filler' episode... But by the time the episode ended I thought it was one of the greatest episodes of Star Trek I'd ever seen. (Still do!). I hope you both get a kick out of it.

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Ca$hWednesday · January 21, 2024

It's a holodeck episode AND It's also a Data episode! This one is a classic in my opinion and the best of Season 2 thus far. We also get to see the Data and Geordi friendship blossom some more.

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Joshua Hiett · January 21, 2024

This is one of the best bottle episodes of season 2 and introduces us to one of the most fascinating holographic villains of the time. Moriarty is a particular favorite of mine. It's the first time you learn the holodeck can control the ship for good or in this case nefarious means.

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Timothy Hennon · January 21, 2024

This episode will probably be one your top 3 TNG episodes to date, and will probably make your Top 5 of Season 2 by the end.

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Jovet · January 22, 2024

I just watched their Top-5 Season 1 episodes video, and I concur with your prediction.

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Paul Rymer · January 21, 2024

Love this episode, it’s one I pick at random if I feel like some TNG. Everything about it works, Pulaski is fitting in better and has some playful banter with the others. Brent Spiner as Data playing Holmes is hilarious.

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Michael Mannisto · January 21, 2024

One of the good episodes of S2, and probably considered a classic by most TNG fans. The only thing I don't like is that the premise of the episode is set up by HATER Pulaski! Down with Pulaski! Shoot her out an airlock!

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Dion James Pitman · January 21, 2024

This episode is a nice pay-off to those silly scenes in "Lonely Among Us" where Data acts the fool as Sherlock Holmes.

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Steven Johnson · January 21, 2024

One of my very favorites of season 2, maybe even of the whole show. We're continuing to evolve Data's love of Sherlock Holmes, exploring usage of the holodeck, and even getting into what TNG does at its very best, character driven moral quandaries. If we do return to the moriarty character, what do you think we will see?

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Neill Shaughness · January 21, 2024

Holodecks! More trouble than Tribbles more fun than shore leave!

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Lt Dan I Scream · January 21, 2024

Fun holodeck episode. Shows that cyber security in the 24th century is lacking, and that when programming it’s very important to be precise with instructions. I think overall you’ll like this one. Nice way to get away from the normal ship and still have a bit of drama.

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SinocTheHodgeheg · January 21, 2024

Crumpet, traditional British teatime treat that is a type of griddle cake, known for its cratered surface. The spongy cakes are traditionally toasted and spread with butter. Add jam to that butter and they're even more delicious.

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Regan · January 21, 2024

Do Americans not know what a crumpet is?

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Mister Hope · January 21, 2024

One of the classic TNG holodeck episodes. Another opportunity for Brent Spiner to flex his (so far) underutilized acting chops.

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Notebook Industries · January 21, 2024

If you liked Data’s Holmes impression and “The Big Goodbye” in Season 1 then this will be for you. And Daniel Davis (Moriarty) played Niles (NY-Alls!) on “The Nanny” 🕵🏻

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DataDroid · January 23, 2024

Love NY-Alls! :D

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Collin Freeman · January 21, 2024

Best episode of the season so far. Spiner shines as Data, as does Daniel Davis as Moriarty. Fun Fact: Davis is from Arkansas - he's not English. We see further strengthening of the Data-Geordi friendship here. And Pulaski gets some good moments, too. A little too much use of the holodeck at this point in the season.

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C_Drew · January 21, 2024

Omg, do you know the only other place I've seen Daniel is the Nanny as the awesomest, spunky butler...so if anyone had asked me, I would've bet the house that he is English! lolest i would have lost BADLY

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Ragnarok · January 21, 2024

I have one thing, and one thing only, to say. Awwwwww, FUCK yeah!

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Ee'char · January 21, 2024

In response to the episode 11001001, I may have mentioned something about holograms. And the nature of some of them....

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Troy Massey · January 21, 2024

You are both going to love this episode