UNCUT - Resolutions (VOY S2E25) | Star Trek Journey 415

We don't need Janeway and Chakotay to go "all the way" to get the impact of their relationship. In a way, it's even worse, even more tragic that they didn't. They were both at that point emotionally but were never allowed to see it through. That final look between them said so much: They were both ready and willing to commit to the other, but fate brought their other responsibilities back into the picture before they could explore that possibility. It was beautifully executed in my opinion.

Ah yes, the one that tries to be a good character episode between Janeway and Chakotay, but in the end, Janeway has more of an arc with the monkey than she does with Chakotay. Kate Mulgrew has talked in many interviews how she hated those stupid monkey scenes. "You have me down on a planet with Chakotay. Put me with Chakotay! Why do you keep having me bond with this stupid monkey instead?!"

I’m still trying to find out why a virus that killed a lot of people, fathers , mothers , sons, daughters is a running joke? Empathy man look it up

I am one of those people that finds it hard to really love TOS because of the 60s culture vibe to it and old-tech feel. They are real things that take away from the show for me. That said, I still like TOS.

Also the shot when Voyager is going out of comm range and they're saying their goodbyes is probably one of the most obvious on set shots. The camera is above Janeway and Chakotay and looking slightly down, yet there's bright sky directly behind them which wouldn't really be possible to see at that angle. Some of the scenes were shot on location, but that one clearly wasn't.

I was never really into wrestling enough to understand what all the eras are, but listening to you explain it, it was honestly pretty uncanny how well it lines up with the eras of Trek. As for the episode, this one has always been pretty middling for me. C tier. While I appreciate they gave Robert Beltran SOMETHING to do for once, and he did have a couple decent scenes, I just find the episode doesn't commit with much of what it's trying to do(and that's aside from the fact we obviously know they're not going to be staying there). Like Lessons committed to Picard and Nella being in a relationship, and then tore them apart. I do appreciate Chakotay's "ancient story" as a way to tell Janeway how she's changed his life, but it only dances around the idea of a relationship. Yes they were there for 3 months, and one can reasonably headcanon they got past holding hands in that time, but the episode is afraid to confirm that. It's one thing to give up on a cure and then get rescued, it would have been way more ballsy if they had accepted they weren't leaving the planet and let go of the chain of command that precluded a relationship since they were the only 2 human beings on that planet. If they had fully bought into this being their lives now and started a relationship, only to have to abandon it once Voyager rescued them, it would have been way more effective. I do like the stuff on Voyager seeing Tuvok once again learn to "bend" to accommodate the crew that is not as disciplined and emotionally repressed as vulcans. He definitely did better than Spock in Galileo Seven. Nice to see Denara again, and I'm glad they didn't have her betray Voyager. I suppose at the end of the day it worked out with them getting the cure, but did anyone seriously think the vidiians could be trusted? I'd have been demanding 1 shuttle come to the exchange, and any sign of a larger ship on sensors and the deal's off. You'd think they wouldn't fuck around with a potential cure for the phage on the line, something far more valuable than 140 more organ donors, but apparently not. Not sure why Chakotay was building a boat. They did have a shuttle that can take them anywhere on the planet. Maybe he thought it would help him get laid😆. Also even if Janeway figured out a cure, what then? They're not chasing Voyager down in a shuttle that's only about 10% as fast as Voyager, and they're certainly not making it back to Earth. Sure they wouldn't be stuck on that planet(though it's hardly the worst place to be stuck), but they'd still be trapped in the delta quadrant. I guess they could head for the planet from The 37s and at least live with other humans. Anyway, it's a'ight.

So. If Janeway had chosen different a few episodes back, would we have had Captain Tuvix?

Chakotay at the end, was saying to himself "I just needed one more day"

Monkey D Less. The Rest was a good Episode.

This episode leaves it up to the viewer to determine how far their relationship went. I believe that Janeway was lonely. She missed her fiance and dog, but always put on her brave face. She finally was able to let her guard down with Chakotay. I think that there is something to be said her for the interpersonal relationship between Captain and First Officer here. Kirk and Spock were obviously friends. Picard chose Riker. Sisko did not choose Kira but the first time this season, he called her Nerys. Their relationship has always been professional otherwise. This episode lets us into a little bit of the headspace of Chakotay and Janeway. Does Chakotay love Janeway? I don't think so. I think he cares for her deeply, admires her. Janeway always had some distance with Chakotay, preferring Tuvok as her close counsel. Now she is forced to confide in him and see him differently. She is starting to care for him, even if not romantically. I really enjoy the character moments between them here, more than I probably did when I watched this 30 years ago.

Geppetto. It's Geppetto.

doesn't them leaving the house on a planet with primates violate the prime directive?

I can't believe you forgot Jakota's name!

Well, they didn't leave any salamander babies behind (that we know of)

Loved the passionate defence of TOS 🥰🥰🥰

tiny little me was ALL IN on shipping them after this episode. Grown me thinks Mulgrew has chemistry with EVERYONE and feels bad for Chakotay for pining after her, because even if I think they COULD have worked with the way the situation shook out there ain't no way. XD

So Kate Mulgrew hated the monkey in this episode. I guess it kept not obeying commands, and would run off for hours delaying production.

You guys missed it I guess you didn’t see the look in both of their eyes as they both took command. You could see the struggle in their eyes as they are resuming their previous roles.

I found this episode pretty stupidly. Why would the monkey be the key to anything. It has also never left the planet?

Just a note on the timeline of this episode: By the time Voyager made contact and battled with the Vidiians, they'd been travelling for a month and a half away from the planet. Chakotay and Janeway have their relationship talk at the same time that all goes down. Voyager still needs to take a month and a half to get back to the planet. Janeway and Chakotay banged.

Actually, according to her official biography as recorded by Jeri Taylor, Janeway never wanted to be a Captain, Her interests were in the sciences. It wasn't until her leadership skills emerged during an ill fated Away mission while serving on the Al-Batani. Captain Paris, impresssed, gave her a promotion for her heroism and recommended her for Command School at the Academy. She declined the offer, perferring to continue as a science officer, but, Captain Paris then ordered her back to the Academy. The rest is history.

There should have been a celebration upon the return and an emotional thank you to the crew for bringing them home (especially Harry). On a darker note, was the Prime Directive broken by leaving all that equipment behind?

Why did they leave their stuff on the planet when that was half the content of the cargo bay? Oh I forgot, Janeway likes to abandon her litter.

You guys have to watch Beltran talk about the monkey at a convention with Tim Russ dying laughing next to him. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OrMrWEQhSvg

I find this a "memorable episode." I remember it. I don't remember it as bad. I don't remember it as good. But I do remember it. That's better than being a "forgettable episode," but it doesn't reach any real greatness.

These are the type of episodes that make Voyager so utterly... mediocre. Soooo many episodes like this: not terrible, but plodding, pointless, easily forgettable, and kinda boring. The fact Josh and Alex were clearly and visibly more excited to watch this than "For the Cause" over on DS9 says a lot. That episode changed the status quo in a meaningful way, with some substantial character moments and a lot going on that actually mattered. This episode did... not. Beginning to think Voyager is going to become their favorite Trek show. Whereas TNG managed to have a blend of what I really like about Trek and what they really like, DS9 leans more into what I like whereas VOY leans more into what they like. Really beginning to feel that divergence.

I kind of hate this one. Janeway makes friends with a monkey and Chakotay is dull. It’s distilled bad Voyager. The Tuvok plot is just fine. D

It's a glamping episode. I loved seeing Tuvok in command. As far as your TOS sidebar, I still haven't watched it. Of the few bits of and pieces I've absorbed over the years, I struggle to jump in because it, well, seems too goofy and unserious. No grounding. Whimsical, even. I know there are some serious episodes but, as someone who much prefers extremely heavy, rooted sci-fi (like The Expanse), it just doesn't really seem like it's made for me, much like (the second half) of The Expanse wasn't made for you guys. But I can't know for sure until I try it one day.

Josh, preaching the TOS gospel! Preach on, Brother! Stay on that soapbox! To me, the golden era of wrestling was All-Star Wrestling out of Milwaukee in the 1970s. Give me some Dusty Rhodes or the Crusher. Good times.

Can't believe Chakotay pulls the old "Let me give you a shoulder massage" routine. Things apparently don't change even by the 24th century.

I wonder how long it would have taken Tuvok to uninvite Neelix from the senior staff meeting had the cure not cropped up?

Love this episode. I try to think of it as a stand alone. Comments are saying that it was too soon to do this with the characters, but I believe they were trying to set things up for their working relationship and make it more trusting, if not intimate. I feel for Janeway, she has steeled herself to be alone, and this plot gives her permission to let go of that iron clad decision to deny herself - because she out ranks everyone. She even waited until Voyager left the area for good from her perspective. She was just starting to throw her energy into this new life and then gets denied once again. People in the comments seem to think she was married to Mark, but she was actually just engaged.

KIM: Captain, I've beamed down to help you and Chakotay find a cure. JANEWAY: Mr. Tuvok, beam down a modular brig now! Far better episode than I remembered. I completely forgot the near-mutiny tension aboard the ship and Tuvok's badass robe. I only remembered the will-they won't-they stuff on the planet (they totally did). Also, Tornado Alley is shifting east. Illinois leads the USA in tornadoes so far this year. Just think, only the meager buffer of Indiana is keeping you guys from some kind of plasma storm!

Honestly if you want to watch TOS now, its frankly more enjoyable now thats it been remastered, the effects are more modern vs the original version you watched and it holds up. Its also subtle enough that most people who are watching it for the first tme dont notive and just assume it as incredbily well made back then.

yeah, thats part of the problem with Voyager. I won't say what happens with this particular plotline, but my sense of the show in general- you think they are planting seeds, but per Voyager, next episode will be the reset button. So none of the character developments really mean anything beyond the episode they occur in. Which is what I find so frustrating about Voyager, You guys prefer it because of the non-serialization, and sure there's minor callbacks, but you definitely get the feeling which was literally expressed by the showrunners that they are intentionally going a different direction then DS9 where anyone can watch any episode without having to have seen previous episodes. Sure, there are minor things, but for the most part, you know it's "giligan's island" in that they dont want to do anything that will limit any future storylines. There can be "callbacks" but not really stuff that fundamentally alters the plot or dynamics of the show. Now I'm not saying there isn't some stuff like that, in fact there is, but for the most part, especially as the show goes on, the sort of deliberate "this isnt a serialized show" which you guys like, was not to my taste as opposed to what was going on in DS9. So anything that happens, it doesnt feel like it has real stakes, because if they want to ignore something they established previously for the convience of plot, that's what happening. headcanon, as this is meant to be a long range ship, it has nanites in the bio-gel that can repair the ship, and it has to have an onboard industrial replicator. At the start, they established there was a finite number of irreplaceable torpedos. That could have been a plot thing where they have to be conservative about the use of them and then at some point find more. But they just give up on it and they have unlimited torpedos, so they have to have a way of making them (industrial replicator.) Same with shuttles, as they lose shuttle constantly, they have to be able to make more. This makes sense, but it hurts the core premise that this is a ship having to survive without starfleet help, when clearly this ship is capable of functioning without any help, much more so then any previous ship. That's a choice, but it kind of undercuts the premise. Or rather, it changes the premise that "lost in the delta quadrant" basically means they arent involved with starfleet or the plot stuff going on with the federation, but at the same time they arent really struggling with the lack of starfleet support. They did mention the ship was for long range missions, but it feels a bit lazy, part of the thing I complain about, where it feels like as they go on they really just want this episodic show and dont want to deal with the reality of their situation other then the thematic elements but little of the practical. there was that episod where they talked about making local alliances and maybe having to break the rules but they went back on that.'

I’d cry if Chakotay hit on me too tbh. He’s always been lame, but this episode he gets to be creepy too

well, when you say you wanted more time on the planet, the monkey was just... there really wasnt much there on the planet. I mean it was kind of repetitive first so... without them doing a romance, what would you have seen there? I know you guys would have liked to see a camping trip. I think with Chakotay and janeway, you have to keep in mind she has a husband back home but Chakotay isnt with anyone.

so given how long ago it was voyager ran into the vidian doctor, it was pretty fortunate her ship just so happened to be traveling in the same direction as them for so long. This also applies to Seska's Kazon ship which had to be following Voyager. It's a little silly when you consider how big the galaxy is and every epsiode Voyager is making distance back towards the Alpha quadrant away from where they were. The Kazon and Vidians being spread across a wide range makes sense, but running into the same people means those people had to have been going the same direction as Voyager for a very long time.

I think Tuvok realized he was facing a potential mutiny and that influenced his decision.

why is Tuvok wearing lt pips intead of LT Commander pips?

Voyager sex scoreboard With a heavy heart we count the scores SCOREBOARD Paris 3 Jayneway 3 +1 new Seska 2 Chakotay 2 +1 new Neelix 1 Kes 1 Harry 1 Torres 1 The Doctor 1 DETAILS Chakotay (with no first name I guess) and Katherine hit it. I think the thing though is Harry DOES have balls but Chakotay got to use his. Our rules of assumption mean even though we wish they didn't, they did.

Janeway is around 40 at this time, practically the very same age as Mulgrew. Kirk was in his early 30's in TOS

I know it's never shown, but I believe something did happen between them after that hand holding scene. Maybe not immediately but in the next day or so surely. it's open to interpretation on purpose I think, so it is whatever one wants to believe.

What if Tuvix was in command of this episode and in the next episode they found a cure to bring back Neelix and Tuvok?

Being that I never liked Chakotay's character at ALL, I find myself bored by this. I honestly watched it once and began checking the time about half way through lol. Plus, I dunno, I know this is where we disagree but I never liked these sort of personal-focused episodes. And then when it involves a character that I don't care for, it's even worse. I just don't like dramas. I never did and never will. When said boring drama is in an episode of a show that was not impressing me at all.....this just leaves me checked out. I'm going to honestly say D. I won't go full E, because I do like the stuff with Tuvok back on the ship, and the Vidiian stuff. Sort of....just sort of.

Given another month I'd say Captain Tuvok would have gotten the Voyager crew back home to the Alpha quadrant.

I love this episode and that basically the entire A / B plot is showing how the entire crew cannot live without Mama Janeway. Hell, I'd be the same in this situation

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Cannot wait to debrief a season 2 with you guys. Enjoy the finale.

Its funny Chakotay is making fun of the Starfleet beige. I’m like if only they could have TOS, TNG orange! I miss the orange! Voyager is very gray. There’s like some green in like their observation lounge? and like teal? in Janeways ready room..

Kirk is like Janeway in that retirement doesn't seem like a good fit for either of them. The TOS movies and Generations cemented that - they are Star Fleet Captains, they can retire when death takes them.

I think that the writers have not focused enough on building up Chakotay's character arc to this point of the series to make the audience feel compelled about a relationship with Janeway. If they were to do something like this it should have come later or there should have been one or two more Chakotay only episodes before it that had not been botched. Basically the bad script suggestions from the Native American culture consultant have done enough plot damage to the episodes that DID feature him that this one seems "too soon"

I am 100% a J/Cer (Janeway/Chakotay shipper) so this is my all time favorite Voyager episode.

And to beat a dead horse...Joel Grey gives one of the most haunting performances in the 1972 film Cabaret which won him an Academy Award for playing the role of a Paris cabaret hall owner who is a monster and collaborates with the occupying Nazis during WW2 the role is very much like the "fear" clown in Voyager S2 E23 The Thaw and reminds people of Heath Ledger playing The Joker where the actor is so immersed in the role that the audience is shocked by what they see.... That said, that kind of over the top acting comes across badly in a show like ST Voyager

I always find it interesting that hundreds of years in the future and people store stuff about as haphazardly as we do today. Ever notice how boxes are just stacked randomly in the cargo decks.

I always thought this could’ve been a good season finale. We have the slow tension that’s built up between our two stars, we revisit the camaraderie of the Starfleet and Maquis crews, we have a big showdown with one of our big bads, we bring back one of our guest stars of the season, and pretty much everyone has at least a small role in this. All the ingredients for a season ender.

As I remember back in the day many fans saw this as a missed opportunity and wanted them to go all the way. But I agree with the ending. A love story would have messed up Janeway’s relationship with her first officer aboard the ship. And it would have messed up the episodic structure. Like it or not but that was the requirement.

I usually skip this one, but I liked watching it a lot more this time than I remember.

No point to this episode, from the start we know they're going to find a cure, we're ahead of the crew so it serves no purpose. And since Voyager doesn't really do any character development that lasts more than one episode there's no point in their interactions either.

Thank you