UNCUT - Sons of Mogh (DS9 S4E15) | Star Trek Journey 399

When Worf said "I have no family", he meant he has no Klingon House, I think. Not absolutely zero relatives, blood or adoptive.

Kurn's mind wipe is a result of Worf quaffing the Federation root beer.

They should have put Dax in a more revealing outfit to make the first scene make more sense. And for no other reason at all.

Also forgot to say, That mek'leth is an awesome gift. I honestly don't know that I would have parted with a screen used prop.

Gotta consider that regardless of Klingon culture, murder is illegal in Federation territory and it's illegal in Bajorian territory. The Federation and the Bajorians could have both arrested him for murder, he could have spent years in a Bajorian prison. Now if he did it on some non-federation planet without laws against it then it'd probably be fine

Chiming in late here just to say I appreciate the quick spoiler warnings when you talk about other movies and such. I mean, it doesn't bother me if you're just mentioning some random thing from a movie, but if there's a surprise or twist or anything, conscientiousness about spoilers is appreciated. (I plugged my ears during the Total Recall discussion because I haven't seen that yet).

If you guys ever watch Babylon 5, they actually explore the topic of mind wiping a person to the point where they are a completely different person way better than this episode. In that universe, "Death of Personality" is considered to be a humane form of corporal punishment, as opposed to an execution. But is it really?

Unfortunately I think Alex is right. I don't think there was an off camera scene where Kurn agreed to do this. Worf probably knew he would never agree to it because it isn't "Klingon," so he did it to him when he was passed out. Also, the whole point of Kurn's character was to show us a purely indoctrinated Klingon as a foil to Worf. He represents the majority of Klingons. It wouldn't make sense for Kurn so suddenly start realizing the flaws in Klingon ideology the way that Worf does. The whole point of his character is to show how Klingons refuse to question it, and that's why the empire is so hypocritical. Their definition of "honor" isn't actually honorable at all. It's doctrine.

This has always been a controversial episode for as far back as I can remember. The ending turns some people off to the episode completely, while others say it's good up to the memory wipe. I'd put myself in the latter group. This is probably a C+/B- to me that could have been an S if they stuck the landing. Yeah it was shitty for Worf to skip over Alexander saying "I have no family"(also, Jeremy Aster anyone?). Still I get where he's at in that moment, and they want the audience to feel the weight of everything Worf has lost. Now while I agree this is doing more than the episode itself was going for, I appreciate the discussion the ending brings out of the community. Is Kurn really dead? As EDI once asked in Mass Effect 3, "are we more than our memories"? If we have a relative with Alzheimer's or dementia or some other condition affecting their memory, are they no longer the same person. Not to mention, although this isn't as severe, we forget things all the time. At a certain point it feels like for every new thing we remember, something else gets pushed out. Of course we don't forget our name or family, but if all we are is a collection of memories, then any time something is added or taken away from that collection, we are a different person to some extent. I think memories are a big part of who we are, but not all of who we are. If a relative loses their memory, if they don't remember you or even their own name, the genetic coding and neural pathways that govern their behavior are still there. Sure, behavior can be affected by neurological conditions as well, but they're still living the same subjective experience. The person you knew is still in there, they're just lost. What they did to Kurn was still extremely morally dubious though. It seems very out of character for Julian to go through with it. Now I don't think having Worf kill him was the answer, because you can't handwave that away. Murder doesn't become legal just because it happens somewhere outside your jurisdiction. What Dax did in Blood Oath is easier to square. She essentially took part in vigilantism, but also she didn't kill the Albino, only guards who were trying to kill her, so there's a valid self defense claim. The Albino invited them there too, so legally perhaps equivalent to a duel. Sisko is right to give Worf that dressing down. I don't get this idea that respecting other cultures means setting aside your own laws. Worf chose to serve in starfleet, and he's on a Bajoran station. Cultural tolerance doesn't extend to murder, sorry not sorry. You want to celebrate a klingon holiday/festival on the promenade or have a blood wine chugging contest, power to you, but if someone is allowed to break your laws because of cultural/religious reasons, you're not respecting their culture, you're disrespecting and disregarding your own. This doubly applies to Worf who chose to wear a starfleet uniform, and has a responsibility to uphold starfleet principles. Being off duty doesn't absolve you of that. While that initial runabout scene was cute, I think getting rid of the mine subplot would have helped. Instead maybe have them pick up a distress call from a klingon ship under attack from the Breen in some neutral sector. They pass it on to the station, and Sisko passes it along to the klingons, but as the episode goes on, it's clear Gowron isn't interested in diverting ships away from the cardassian border. Kira could have a line about knowing how the breen treat their prisoners. Anyway after the failed attempt to kill Kurn, maybe scrap everything that was in the episode after that. The rest of the episode features Worf and Kurn set off on a mission to rescue the crew of the klingon ship. Sisko is of course reluctant to give Worf the Defiant since he's still in the doghouse, but he convinces Sisko that this could go a long way to patching things up with the klingons, and Sisko agrees to lead the mission. They find the klingon ship crashed near the origin of the distress call, but there are only a few bodies in the wreckage. It's clear most of the crew was captured. They trace a warp signature to a planet on the border of Breen space, but a transporter scrambler prevents them from beaming the klingons out. Someone has to go in on foot. The Defiant decloaks just long enough to beam Worf and Kurn down outside the complex. They quietly kill a few guards and start freeing and arming the prisoners, but before they can shut down the scrambler, an alarm is sounded. Kurn fights like a man possessed, having nothing to lose, fighting his way through a dozen breen to reach the scrambler, and is shot just as he shuts it down. The Defiant beams all the klingons off the surface and heads back under cloak. Kurn has a final conversation with his brother and dies on the transporter pad, Worf and the other klingons do the death howl. He had his honorable death. While Worf remains an outcast, the whole thing ends up being an embarrassment for Gowron. Starfleet and a pair of klingon outcasts rescued klingon warriors from a life of slave labor while Gowron did nothing. Given he died honorably in battle, and with the pressure put on Gowron by the rescued crew spreading tales of his heroism, Gowron posthumously restores Kurn's honor and gives his lands back to Kurn's wife and kids(mentioned in Firstborn). He won't do the same for Worf since he ended up making Gowron look bad, but Worf is satisfied that his extended family is now spared the consequences of his actions.

A great episode but a few things wrong with it, first of all Worf forgetting about Dorf is funny as. Julian after taking the Hippocratic oath and swearing to do no harm then permanently wiping someones memory and giving them a new identity is some conspiracy level crap, he wouldn't. I find the character writing for Julian in that episode out of character, he would be torn and there should have been some moral spiel about self deletion vs self determination, some very poor character writing indeed.

I'm not as down on the ending as most people, but I do appreciate that they did have Worf actually go through with the ritual. Had Dax not interfered, it would have been a very different episode.

Good episode, weak ending.. Kurn should have died doing something honorable. The mindwipe was weaksauce. They should have committed one way or the other.

to a klingon the position Worf put him in was woese than death and kurn had decided to die, so i thought the ending was fitting

Not remembering if Klingon ships can cloak is wild. That's been happening since at least the TOS movies every time a Klingon ship enters the frame. That aside, this episode is great, but I agree with you guys on the ending. It's so out of left field and keeps it out of the S-tier for me.

1:15:13 Nah this is a very mixed episode for fans. I hated it for years. Recently I rewatched it and found it significantly better than what I remembered. But the hang up is exactly the same problem ya'll are having- pretty strong character interactions and decent plot lead up to a sudden and unsatisfying conclusion for the episode and character. Its an episode that most people hate or learn to swallow the bitter pill of a bad end to appreciate the rest. I think people who straight up love the conclusion are the minority in the conversation.

While you were reviewing/commenting on the episode, I noticed the use of “p****” to mean weakness and “balls” to mean strength. I know it may not be intentional, but language like that reinforces the idea that femininity is weak and masculinity is strong. Language matters, and these kinds of phrases carry implicit bias in how we think about women.

1. Klingons are well known for their cloaking devices. 2. Medical memory wipes were a common thing in TNG, not new: Pen Pals, Who Watches the Watchers, Homeward. 3. Worf loves his brother and doesn't want to kill him. There's still hope for Kurn. I think that's what Kurn is holding on to. I agree there could have been a way better episode where Kurn dies, perhaps in a fight with Worf. Imagine instead of what we got, we got this: Kurn uses the pretext of Worf's disgracing his family and ruining their house in order to force a ship vs ship battle with Worf, in command of the Defiant. Worf tries to save their relationship, convince his brother to stop, but Kurn isn't having it. He's forced to use all his Klingon guile to defeat and kill his little brother, his actual family, to save his crew and his found family in the Federation. Only after that does Worf discover, or perhaps realize, that his brother did it to expose the minefield and the empire's dishonorable plan to mine the system, so he died in dishonor, betraying his brother, in order to save the empire, and his brother's life, in a similar vein to how Worf accepted disgrace to save the empire previously.

Use to hate this ending in my youth but having had a family member try to end their life and the pain they we're in to be simply alive. If this solution was handed to me back then to end their surfing and have a feeling they were happy and alive somewhere. I think rewatching this with this mind has change my mind. Great episode

I like Worf's slick backed ponytail personally. It looks professional. Interesting debate to have. Is it better to be "reincarnated" as someone else, a blank slate member of your race and in a sense adopted by a family into a new life... or for your life to end? I'd personally prefer the former, however, none of it matters unless Kurn was asked beforehand. They did need to have that scene.

I'm just not sure what I think about doctors doing mindwipes. The technology seems a bit unethical. I have to believe Kurn agreed to it. And I believe Kurn's family knew he was going to have his honor restored which meant he was going to die.

The Romulans had cloaking technology in TOS. They had an alliance with the Klingons, season three I think, where we saw them using the Klingon D-7 warships. Klingons probably got cloaking technology from them during this alliance. We first saw the Klingons using a cloaking device in ST3 with the Bird of Prey (which was the introduction of that type of Klingon ship).

A couple things to note: Picard didn't let Worf just get away with everything. Skip to the last few minutes of Reunion. After he kills Duros, Picard gives Worf a dressing down just like Sisko did and put it on his record. There seems to be some confusion (from a lot of comments as well) that having "respect for other cultures" somehow means that you're supposed to let them just do whatever they want. That's not how it works in the Federation and certainly not how it should work IRL. During the episodes where they talk about Federation membership, they often comment on how a society has to have moved past a whole list of bad things in the past in order to even be considered to join.

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"There is a limit to how far I'll go to accommodate cultural diversity" :o But I thought Star Trek was always woke!

I guess I’m a defector on this one: I do not like Worf. I never have. Yes, he has some good episodes; however, I have never liked him as a character.

AGAIN, Another example of Klingon Blood being Red instead of Pink like the movies. The Knife worf used on kern clearly has red blood ... Also that episode where worf pretends to be captain of enterprise was to trick a Cloaked Klingon Ship that didnt know the war ended. He did it because they were worried they were gonna cloak and dissappear on them.

What a brain fart...They had a Cloaked Klingon Ship in the last episode.... in a bunch of TOS Movies , in TNG , in Generations, in DS9 including way of the warrior... only the federation has a treaty with romulan where they can't use cloaks.

I think its the dishonour that Kurn has already suffered that makes him want to kill himself, the cycle doesn't matter if anything changed in 6 months he'd reached the limit of shame he could take.

I await the House of Slab t-shirt.

So the moral of the story is "Of you're going to ritualistically kill your brother, go to a neutral location."

It would have been so much better if the first scene of the episode was Worf getting dragged away from Kurn's lifeless body, with the bloody knife still in his hands. The rest of the episode could then have alternated between pre- and post murder scenes. Exploring both the why, how and aftermath of the murder, maybe even with repercussions for Worf in the rest of the season. By the way, @1:13: You want to see an honorable Klingon death for once?!? You think Kang & Koloth died dishonorably in Blood Oath?

why does everyone say 'low-key' these days. What the heck does that even mean? i'm old..lol..

Picard, the helicopter parent.

Guys did you forget Star Trek 3 where Kirk and Sulu think they detect a cloaked ship before Kruge's Bird of Prey decloaks.

I actually like how this ended. As Odo said if Worf had killed Kurn he'd have been charged with murder. Worf would have been out of Starfleet and in a Bajoran prison. I give it a B.

Whoa, 2 hour reaction to a 45 minute episode! I'm guessing they have some feelings about the ending

Bloodoath has honorable Deaths. Even without Blood ^^

There is no Honor in this Ending. The beginning on the other Hand... Dax look at Worf and the Chemistry there was worth 2 D Tier Episodes.

Klingon ships can cloak as long as their Captain continues to quote Shakespear in Klingon the whole time.

They do Kern dirty.

Josh, there are supplements out there for memory improvement. You've seen SO MANY episodes where the Klingons are cloaked. They've been using it onscreen since Star Trek III.

Hey does this mean that when Kurn son of Slab, dies, Sto'Vo'Qor will have two Kurns?! It'll be like the Klingon equivalent of Second Chances, but with more violence

I don't like the ending. I also don't care. The character scenes are just too good for me to care whether they stuck the landing. Worf's journey to accepting he can't live in two worlds, and choosing Earth over Qo'Nos, was excellently done. The Kurn memory wipe was just a plot convenience so that Worf's narrative doesn't get undermined. And Worf's narrative has always been a bit of a contradiction. The narrative on TNG was that Worf could always use Klingon "honor" without violating human ethics. Even the one time he did violate it avenging Khey'lar, it's hard for any human being to blame someone for killing the person that killed the person they love. However, they also portrayed Klingons as culturally incompatible with humans. Seeing the narrative on DS9 make it clear that Worf does in fact respect the Federation's ethics more than Klingon ethics. That is massive growth, and I don't know how you can watch this episode and not feel giddy about the narrative possibilities this could open up for Worf. It's the point where DS9 Worf was born. And you will love him.

“as far as assisted suicide as a topic, I actually…” 😟 froze for a sec there, wasn’t sure how dark this reaction was going to get

My dudes....the Klingons have had cloaking devices forever. They used it in all but one movie they were featured in and all through TNG and DS9 to this point. lol You guys also forget the time Picard dressed down Worf for following Klingon cultural practices (for killing Duras). He literally told him "your service onboard this ship has been exemplary....until now" and "a reprimand will be added to your permanent record." He also yelled at him when Worf said he was operating under Klingon tradition. But he probably didn't have the decibel level that Sisko did in this episode lol. Also Picard did tell him after he was sorry for his loss (K'Ehleyr).

Ok I haven’t watched yet but I’ve been waiting to say this. In 4x2 The visitor Tony Todd playing Jake after playing Kurn didn’t give me that feeling of whenever recasting fatigue lol idk I’m making up phrases but this episode did for me because Kurn episodes were like when I was like 9-12 ish years old then I saw candyman. Then when this aired I was 15 i think. Anyways excited to see your take on this episode then I’ll probably have more to say. Okay back. I love Tony Todd. I wish more for this episode but you know. Can’t say much so best to just say that I liked a lot of parts of this one but not enough.

I really like this episode and my heart breaks for Worf in it, having to give up his brother like that. It's less sad (or whatever sad/angry/conflicted feelings Worf might have), and more sad but I guess bittersweet? because his Kurn gets another life and chance at honor but at the loss of their relationship.

As to the honor of cloaked mines, I took it as less about the cloak and more about the mine. Sort of like speed trap cameras. Klingons think cloaking and ambush is honorable because they are still risking their own lives. Laying mines risks nothing, so there is no honor in such a kill.

well, hes not dead in the same sense there is still the same subjective experience going on. It doesnt become a different "soul"

It's no that "everyone knows." I think in general the Klingon Empire is supposed to think he just disappeared which makes sense as he's persona non grata. De Facto with the culture what Gowron did exiles him anyway. Yeah, how they are going to explain this guy suddenly having a son will be tricky but as its a small minor house people wont care that much. I can't imagine if his real son died in the war he would be ok with faking Kurn as the replacement. Also I think he's supposed to look more different then what we actually see.

I use it as my dads ringtone manamena https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb47CstE7R4

The B story is very strange at this point in DS9. It’s all plot. There’s like a couple fun character moments in the first scene, and the bit where O’Brien wants to stand up for Worf is good, but other than that there’s just nothing there for Nana or Colm to play. It’s all just slightly undercooked. Feels like if they had worked on this episode for a few more weeks it could have been really special. Tony Todd said if he had been given the script ahead of time, he’s not sure he would have agreed to do the episode. He really disliked how they handled Kurn in this episode.

While I think the Klingon war plot is necessary for this episode I agree with you guys that it would be better if they detonated the minefield in another episode since we know the Klingons will be back. That would have given us the time we needed for Worf Bashir scene this episode would have benefitted from

Am I not remembering this correct, but wasn't Worf going to kill himself in the "look out for barrels" Ep? I thought Riker said he was supposed to go and bring the dagger to Worf and watch him plunge it into his own chest and then wipe the blood on his sleeve (or actually Alexander had to). Am I wrong on this? So if I am remembering that right then Klingons don't have an issue suicide and Worf stabbing Kurn is wrong

Performances: A to S tier. Story: S. Execution: A. I think I am going to have to diverge from your assessment of the ending. I felt choked up after Worf leaves the med bay and realizes his blood family, his home, are no more a part of him, including his brother. From a story standpoint, i can see why having Worf kill Kurn would have made sense, but the execution in how they came up with the 3rd option was well-done, imo, with 1 exception: like Alex, i thought they just took Kurn to the med-bay and performed the procedure without Kurn's knowledge or consent, and I agree with both of you that if that was NOT the case, they needed to show it. Otherwise, doing it against his consent would (I hope) be considered a Federation offense akin to physical assault.

Ronald Moore was considered the resident expert on Klingon culture during his time on TNG and DS9.

Ron Moore explaining his reasoning for the mind wipe: “I think the one criticism I've heard several times is that people have objected to Worf wiping his brother's memory at the end, that it was immoral or that he had gone too far in doing it. I understand that point of view, but it felt as if, in Klingon terms and in Worf's mind, he was giving his brother the only way out. Worf, I think, is caught in the crux of a dilemma where he doesn't want to kill his brother because he is more human than he thought he was, but at the same time he's very strongly Klingon and understands that his brother cannot go on with his honor being torn from him like this. “So he really had to find a third way out, and giving his brother a new life and a new chance to be somebody else seemed like the best to Worf. So I justified the decision in my mind in that sense.”

Horror icon Tony Todd is the best thing I can say about this. I absolutely agree that the ending was horrible. The rest of it didn't move me much either to be honest. Not an overall travesty, but not an episode I care about. C-

The Klingons have always had cloaking tech.. their warbirds have cloaking since way back

Sorry Alex, this was all Ron Moore, from Memory Alpha: In Ronald D. Moore's original draft of the teleplay for this episode, when Kurn arrives on the station, Worf refuses to perform the Mauk-to'Vor ritual, and the episode concerns Worf trying to find Kurn a job, all the while Kurn continually pleading with Worf to kill him. According to Moore, the problem with this draft was that all of the tension was built upon the fact that the audience didn't know if eventually Worf might give in and actually acquiesce to Kurn. However, "you knew Worf wasn't going to kill his brother and the rest was all very by-the-numbers stuff." It was while trying to instill more tension in the episode that Moore hit on the notion to have Worf actually perform the ritual, and not at the end of the episode, but right up front at the start. According to Moore, he was hoping that this unexpected move on Worf's part would make the audience "sit up and go 'Whoaa!'."

Bashir got this procedure from Pulaski, who wiped the memory of Data's little friend in Pen Pals.

Poor Alexander

Thank god Klingon ships can be cloaked. Kirk and crew would never be able to take these whales from Dr. Taylor and save Earth from that damned probe which only spoke whalish.

I think the ending represents the not human not Klingon situation Worf finds himself in. He can‘t kill Kurn the Klingon way and can‘t let him live a Federation life. So he has to choose a third way. Yes, It’s an awful one but I think this is the point.

Yeah, it’s kind of a problem to be like here. Kurn we’ll give you your life back except you’re not you anymore so what is even the point? Also, they seemed to insinuate that Kern had a wife and kids. I know in the episode I think it was first born? K’mtar tells Alexander “ you have cousins on the Home world.” you guys can’t hear it, but I just did a James Sloyan voice. 🎙️ 😆

Phenomenon-Do do dah do Dah - that is a legendary gift, worthy of a warrior and won in glorious (bidding) battle. Qapla' !

TOS: 'The Enterprise Incident' - the Klingons and Romulans were on friendly terms, so the Klingons got cloaking technology while the Romulans got Klingon ship designs 👍🏼

While I do think the ending falls a little flat in terms of narrative, I feel the end solution is thematically VERY on point (even if the episode somewhat fumbles actually conveying that theme and tying it together clearly): The theme of the episode isn't really supposed to be about what Kurn is going through, it's about Worf, and how he's ever increasingly losing touch with his Klingon-ness. He favors the Mek'leth over the MASSIVELY preferred Bat'leth. He chose the Federation over the Empire. He favors tempered tactical reasoning and logic over blind loyalty and battle lust. He no longer recognizes murderous intent in his enemies. In his last scene with Jadzia, he laments how he has finally realized that he has compromised so much of who he thought he was, that he really has lost so much of what made him Klingon, and now he's something new. And the ending reflects that perfectly: it's not a good solution, it's a very compromised, unsatisfying, milquetoast, human "acceptable" solution. It's "killing" his brother without the mess of murder that humans would object to, and without the glory or honor that Klingons would demand . . . EXACTLY the kind of sad middle-ground that Worf feels he has fallen into as a person. The same way he does some level of mental gymnastics to convince himself that turning on the Empire was what was best for the Empire (irrelevant that he's correct, he has to CONVINCE himself of it), so too does he deliberately (and badly) twist the "rules" of his culture to fit an outcome that has been forced on him, that his boss will find more palatable. In short, he SPECIFICALLY makes the wrong choice, and he KNOWS it's cheating both sides - eliminating his brother in a "nice" way that appeases his superior, and "helping" his brother in a way he would actually despise - because he's psychologically reached a point where he can't be "true" Klingon anymore, so he's kinda given up trying to be. That's my take, anyway. Wish the episode could have done just a little more to make it more apparent.

Beware of being a Recurring Guest Character and entering Bashir's Shop Of Horrors: brain fuckery may occur!

Alex...... Please ...... don't lick the mek'leth

I think Sisko is right and justified. Picard dressed down Worf for the same reason. Remember in Reunion Picard tells Worf: "Mister Worf, the Enterprise crew currently includes representatives from thirteen planets. They each have their individual beliefs and values, and I respect them all, but they have all chosen to serve Starfleet. If anyone cannot perform his or her duty because of the demands of their society, they should resign. Do you wish to resign?" Your culture is aloud but you can’t break local laws. It’s murder on the station not on Qo'noS. I agree the ending is lame though.

If I chose a traveling companion among the crew ot would be Chief

2 hours! The episode got you talking! It’s good! Get over it!

I think they’re trying to show you Worf is fucked and this is the best they can do. Sometimes there’s no good solution. Kurn is only dead as much as someone who has amnesia is dead.

Did Dr Bashier wipe Josh's memory of Klingon's having cloaking technology?

You also have to keep in mind DS9 falls under Bajoran law and maybe what Worf was doing was illegal. Although I think Sisko's bigger concern is that it would set a bad precedent. Imagine aliens coming to the station to execute people and using the "muh religion" excuse. But yeah, I see no reason why Worf couldn't have used his vacation hours to take Kurn somewhere where it'd be ok to kill him.

I know you guys don't pay much attention to the ships/aren't generally interested in tech stuff...but the Klingons have been the "cloaking" baddies since as far back as the TMP era movies (Star Trek 3). They have been shown cloaking in all movies, as well as in TNG and DS9, numerous times so far (including a bunch of times in The Way of the Warrior). Also, keep in mind that Worf's version of what is honourable or not is very different from Klingon honour. Worf is not like most Klingons. It was covered many times in various episodes. Nothing is more honourable to Klingons than victory. Cloaked mines are fair play, just as cloaked ships and ambush attacks are as well. The Klingon captain's decision to initially ignore Gul Dukat's freighter in the previous episode wasn't a matter of honour. It was clearly meant as a display...an insult if you will. "You are not even worth our time." Anyways, glad you guys were glad to get a Kurn episode!

I think we can all maybe agree that this episode is better at spurring interesting discussion than it is at being a completely satisfying experience on its own.

We haven’t had a good old fashioned TA rewrite in ages! We’re so back.

Dude, that mek'leth gift is SWEET!

Dr. Bashir has obviously successfully removed the memory engrams from Josh and Alex of Star Trek VI, which featured a cloaked Klingon ship as one of its main plot points. (They did, however, wholeheartedly consent to this procedure.)

Klingons acquired cloaking tech from a brief alliance with the Romulans sometime between TOS and the Star Trek 3 movie where it first appeared

Call it a hunch, but I don't think Josh likes character deaths.

The craziest part about this for me is the fact Sisko isn't okay with assisted suicide, but fine with a full mental wipe. I hope this is part of a long game. Maybe Kurn is faking his memory loss and is going to become a spy on the klingons for Worf and DS9.

"What if there was a way to kill your brother... without killing him?" * "So, there's this place called the mirror universe..."

I should have known you'd do this.

That meme was on point lol

The Gang Kills Kurn

i was getting ready to go to bed guys