UNCUT - Resistance (VOY S2E12) | Star Trek Journey 390

Not going to lie, I sort of tuned out on your reaction about half way through, as well as the episode, and totally skipped the recap at the end. It is just a bad episode and that just leads to 40 something minutes of crying about better episodes that I don't have the patience for. Maybe there'll be something more your speed this season.

Wow, I'm actually really surprised by most of you guys' take on the episode (the story). For me, this has always been one of my favourites (in a long list of favourites but still). I actually find it very engaging and never had a problem with Calem, his story or the acting. I found it quite tragic and I completely understood Janeway's sympathy. I also feel that since she is separated from her own family for the foreseeable future, this experience of someone treating her as family (as a loved one rather than as the Captain) might have hit her more than it would have in the Alpha Quadrant. I also really like the interactions between Tuvok and B'Elanna. Based on my own love for the episode I kinda always assumed this was a wide-spread opinion. Guess I was wrong about that though😂

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I also hated this episode. Lol. So you guys are not alone.

You mention wondering what is up with the writing and I don't know if it's been brought up. Season 1 Piller and Taylor are head writers most disagreements end with Berman taking Piller's side (Janeway' is really the strongest element that the others listed to Taylor on). Piller decides to step back from Trek to develop his own TV show, a short lived Western. During that time Taylor takes over the writers room. Piller is still a producer and credited, but doesn't lead the writers room. Piller discovers that writing wise Trek has gotten stale and not keep pace with writing styles of the time. He learns this quick on his new show, where the Trek's style is seen as out of date. Trek of course still being fairly popular, isolated the writers from how the industry had been changing. When his show dies, he returns full time to Voyager, takes up the writers room again. So season 2 has some legitimate whiplash in how the two primary writing ends see their craft.

On the acting front it's generally considered a solid performance. And if you had been exposed to Joel Grey's work, a huge amount is from theatre, but also television and film, you would know that (even if you don't like this performance which is ok), he does have real range. And just so you know Trek generally has had better results with stage actors, than tv or film actors (so I wouldn't really grouse over people talking about people's theatrical careers). Even the producers from pretty much every era of Trek have talked about Trek not being a grounded universe, that there is an inherit theatricality (sense of the fantastics) to it. But on the episode itself, it is absolutely GUEST STAR of the week episode. And while Trek has manage to produce some great ones, for myself they are fairly rare. My main issue isn't the performance, which works for me, but that I don't care. Something that is fairly common in my feelings about a lot of Voyager episodes (though not all by a long shot).

Im just biding my time for season 4+

Man, I know I'm not always going to agree with the guys - of course not - but the amount of hate for Joel Grey was crazy in this one. I get not wanting a guest character to be the lead in the episode over the regular cast, but this was all about Janeway's interactions with him, just like 75% of all Star Trek episodes. I don't know Joel from anything else, but I thought he played a great part in this.

This is one of the most boring episodes of Star Trek i've ever watched. It felt like I was watching the extended version of Lord of the Rings, only I wasn't having any fun.

A small issue with early Voyager is some of the episodes are so forgettable. The 2nd episode where Janeway and Tom time travel and save the planet I kept wondering when this guy would show up. And here he is it’s this episode. But I caved in back to watch it cuz what the fuck else am I doing lol

Hm, late comment cause I currently watch Voyager with my girlfriend and then rewatch here with the guys. This gave me the chance to read through the comments first and then watch your reaction afterwards. While I can appreciate and respect different opinions, it was very hard to bear in this episode. I for once was not offended by the performance and found it to be very well fitting for a person, that lost everything including his mind while living under such conditions. I very often align with your views and when not, it was mostly fun to listen to your banter, but here it was downright hateful and I was not able to keep enjoying the episode, with you in the background, never happened before. I hope this is not going to be the standard (and I mean not that you need to change but that this just is not the way I can enjoy a medium alongside you two). Cheers!

I love it when TA loves an episode I cherish, and I love it when TA loves an episode that I don’t care for and can make me appreciate things I didn’t notice before. It’s hard when TA despises an episode, regardless of whether I personally like it or dislike it. Still, I keep coming back to valuing authenticity. I really can’t stand it when reactors fake a positive reaction to avoid offending people or exaggerate their engagement to justify posting reactions. I vent about my work, too, and if TA needs to vent in order to flush the negativity to avoid getting burned out, so be it. My biggest fear is TA getting fully burned out on Trek and either phoning it in or quitting.

god i feel old. here you guys were just babies when this aired... and i was a sophomore in highschool. been a long time since i watched this series but the good news is it gets better now. for the most part.

My thoughts exactly.

Im trying to get through Voyager with you. I never watched it all the 1st time . . . oh my god, E. Boring and a little creepy. I have daughters, I just wouldn't be like that. He is just bothersome. It is eerie and I can't imagine Janeway was touched by this . . . good grief. Oh my god, that is so boring.

If memory serves me right, season 2 is Voyager's worst season. I always felt that season 3 was the best SOLELY when it comes to character development with our crew. Seasons 4-6 are the iconic seasons, but except for maybe 2 characters, I don't think any character stuff in seasons 4-6 exceeds what they did in season 3.

I personally don't care if the whole story focuses on recurring characters, or a guest character of the week. Before I started watching you guys, I never even knew there was a difference. To me, that's like focusing on the canvas used for a painting instead of the actual painting that's on the canvas. I also don't know or care who this actor is, or whether or not he won any academy awards. To me, that's like focusing on the quality of paint that was used to make the painting instead of the painting itself. That said, I didn't think this guy's acting was the problem. I thought his acting was fine. It wasn't great, but it wasn't terrible either. It was where most of the acting is in this show is to where it's good enough that I don't notice it. Unless you are the one creating the painting, paint is paint. That said though, was this a good painting? No not really. You guys actually changed my mind on this one being good. This is a painting solely of that one character. If you like, and empathize with the character, (which I do,) then you like the painting. If however you don't buy into that, and you don't like this character at all, there is literally nothing else here except the Tuvok B'elanna Torres stuff. I used to think this was a Janeway episode, but you're right, it's not. It's solely about that guy. The rest of the crew is basically just running around in circles the entire episode. There's no tension. There's no real story. It all just comes down to whether or not you let yourself get immersed in what the episode is trying to sell you. As for "lying to a dying man to make him feel better" that's called compassion. I suggest people practice it more since a lot of people don't seem to know what that is. For an example, look up the Buddhist story of "Just Two Miles More." Other than all of that though, I actually agree with everything else you had to say about this one.

Eh, this episode is pretty much the epitome of a generic filler one. I do like how it shows how hated Voyager is becoming in the region. Even as they try to be typical goodie goodie Federation folks, they really have pissed off a lot of people in a short period of time.

Watching you watch this episode was painful 😅

This episode really just comes down to "do you get invested in the guest star's situation or not?" I personally do, because I tend to get really invested in everything I watch. But if you are someone like my husband, who gets really turned off by stories that he feels are "emotional manipulation," or you're like TA where this kind of thing is never going to get them invested at all, then there really isn't anything else here. That said, this is one of the highlights of season 2 for me because of the emotion and humanity of it, and letting myself get fully caught up in this character. Thinking of the old man always makes me cry. Is it a great episode beyond that? No. But I also don't care.

I'm surprised how many people are saying "Alex and Josh are no fun when they're just bashing an episode". For me, it made their discussion super entertaining!

1:12:25 LOOOL I'm right there with Josh! That was some PEAK Alex cynicism! You guys are great.

I didn't comment in the Patron Takes because this episode blows and I didn't want to take the time thinking up something to say about it. I guess I'll just type that next time for solidarity.

One of the reasons I appreciate this reaction channel is the honesty of the reactions. There are TONS of reactions where people laugh at every unfunny joke, say a movie or show "is the best thing ever," and you know it's just engagement farming and insincere. Sometimes the best hamburger is made with someone's sacred cow. They've liked plenty of episodes I have personally disliked and they have truly hated episodes I enjoy. It's good to be exposed to other people's viewpoints, whether that is politics, religion, or simple personal preferences. It is a simple act of graciousness to allow people to have differing opinions, to see beyond those opinions, and to value their perspective.

Voyager is too precious for intellectual and technical takes so I skip to the commentary part if I see emotions I watch if not I won’t. I really miss the whiteboard it was fun and unique.

After this reaction, I had to watch Joel Grey and Liza Minelli perform "Money." Another gay guest actor for pride month.

Wow. Did not see that coming. Sometimes it feels like you guys are completely missing the boat on what an episode is all about. While I understand not everyone is going to like every episode - different people respond differently and not everyone is going to like the same episodes - the absolute hate you have for this one just makes no sense to me. Ease up and give it a chance.

Oh man, Joel Grey is 94, still acting, started acting in 1950, and has won all kind of awards. I think the silliness of the character is more repulsive to me than the performance. I really did not used to like this episode, but now it has grown on me and I feel sympathy for the character, who has been through such tragedy to lose his wife and daughter.

Not since TNG's Lessons have I cared so little about a guest character.

As many have stated, the guest actor was an Oscar and Tony award winner. An amazing get for Star Trek. Unfortunately, I think his talents were wasted in this episode.

I could be watching Homefront right now, if only I wasn't a lowly audience member

Your guys hatred for this episode is peak content

I gotta say, your reaction here really disappointed me. There's something really human about this story here. There's something deeply real about the trauma that caused the guest stars' dementia. Those of us who have encountered this in family recognize it in the guest characters performance. And this develops SO much character for Janeway, and her connection and desire to help humanity from it's base levels. It's no problem though because i'm going to watch every one of your reactions going forward! We can disagree, and that's all ok! I just hope you're willing to rewatch this one over the years so you can find your connection to this episode. Though, in a way, I hope not because that would potentially require a family tragedy to understand it if you do not already.

Its not a favorite, but Oscar winner Joel Grey did the best he could with what the pedestrian script offered. On paper, the story seemed like a winner, but it just didn't transfer to the screen. Don't blame the actor for the script. I don't think Joel is going to send you guys a cameo.

Is it just me or has the audio from the few episodes been quieter? Like I have every maxed out now. Or my headphones are just on their way out.

This guest actor was huffing his own farts hard through the entire episode. To each their own but I honestly don't know how people can enjoy this kind of uninspired, unoriginal garbage. I'm glad the boys saw right through this.

Yeah I didn't remember this episode much besides the crazy guy. I don't think I hated it as much as Josh and Alex but i was bored still during it. It was just very generic though this episode actually could have been really good with some script polish and better costume design.

I have always disliked this episode. Boring and forgettable. I always skip it and glad I do.

Great episode. Great actor.

There is a very highly regarded episode of Miami Vice that also had a guest star taking up screentime portraying a character with mental illness but when I watched it, I thought his portrayal was so broad and zany and not good, so I was surprised to find out it was a favorite when there were so many other good episodes. It must be that as awareness of mental illness has grown in the last 30 years, the portrayals have evolved to beyond this, pacing, muttering, off-beat "not right in the head" thing that really only gets the idea across instead of anything specific. Basically, these performances worked back then, but don't now? Kinda like casting white people as non-white people? I dunno. I still sympathize with this guy, and Janeway having to deal with him. You guys are lucky to have apparently not have had to deal with someone like that, the fear of them hurting you, others or themselves, or getting hurt or taken advantage of by others. It's a rough place to be. And no picnic for them. To be so broken by reality to escape from that. Emotionally the idea got me. But I still get annoyed when I flip the channel to Voyager and this is on again for the nth time because the execution is not as compelling as it should be.

I think you might have misunderstood the comment about Richard Danus's credit on "The Sword of Kahless". Behr brought in Danus to write the story as a way of thanking him for his help on TNG. But Danus did write the story; Behr wasn't just giving him a credit for something he didn't work on.

Missed leaving a PT, but this is a solid episode. Easy B+ or better, especially for this season so far. It's a shame you guys quit on it so early. You're definitely being way harsher on it than is actually deserved. Have you guys tried venting out all of your pent-up frustrations when you're not doing the reactions so you actually watch the episode? Seriously try it. Block some time on the weekend where you just complain and vent. That way you'll be refreshed for your videos and we won't subjected to an entire video of negativity. You're reacting to shows. We're reacting to you. I'll also give this reaction an E ;)

And wasn't "Twisted" Voyager does the backrooms?

Well, I like it.

Wikipedia says Science is a systematic discipline that builds and organises knowledge in the form of testable explanations about nature and society. So science fiction is gonna explain shit, it's kinda in the name. 🤣

Keir Starmer must have modelled his leadership style from the guy in charge on the planet. The most painful thing in this episode is the ship running out of power again. Come on. The 1701 was on a 5 year mission and they didn’t even have replicators. The ISS goes longer without getting supplies than Voyager can. I know they need a reason to beam down somewhere or they’d never have an interaction that wasn’t in space but I’m sure they could come up with something better than running out of gas.

Next Time on Star Tre... hey stop touching me! Help!

I'm glad you aren't a fan of the guest either. For me he makes this tedious and boring. D.

I think I need a break from these reactions for awhile. Its usually fun to see reactions of different viewpoints than your own, which is what this channel provides. And both of you are usually very open minded. But I just felt from the beginning of this reaction that you didn't give this episode a fair chance. Your intro was all about how mid you think the season is, you seemed to be in a bad mood about even being there, your facial expressions and body language from even before the episode started was sour. And it just seemed from watching you react that you were ready to hate it no matter what. Thats not the type of mindset I am a patreon for. See you later maybe.

The Power Plant

Heh...you think THIS one is bad. That's adorable! Anyway, at least there's some good DS9 eps coming up that should help smooth things out.

I like this episode, but I knew the guys wouldn't. The comments suggest that they actively hated it. I'll watch this one on my own, I don't feel like starting my day with negativity.

Season 2 is widely considered the weakest of all seasons of Voyager. That's not to say there aren't some gems scattered here and there, but I find this season an overall drag on the entire series. You get the feeling they don't really know what they want to do with the show overall. Is it a new version of Next Generation? Is it a conflict-driven crew thrown together and sent far across the galaxy with no hope of getting home? Story ideas are overall pretty thin in this season. Fortunately, it does get better (eventually). Meanwhile, "Tea, Joel Grey. Tepid."

The story was D-pressing. The monologues are so long it's D-pressing. Having to watch this episode again was D-pressing. Watching the negative reaction was D-pressing. Having to post this after all this D-pressing stuff is even more D-pressing. Press D if you think this episode deserves a D.

I should have been less vague, when I said "their reputation" its that line where the Voyager is known as untrustworthy because them cause conflict or trouble among several planets and species as they go along, and this planet is the first to actually highlight this.

This isn't the greatest story, but to be honest, I found much of your takes on this cynical and unappealing. Bashing the episode all the way through is tiring, and makes it unappealing. I like your honest takes, and I don't want you to censor yourself for views, but it seemed overly harsh. Even without "gelling" with the guest actor to dismiss the final scene as he lay dying seemed a bit contrite. This one missed the mark for me guys, surely there is a middle ground between critique and criticism (which is fine) and 40 minutes of bashing.

The crazy guest guy feels like he was ripped out of an episode of Xena Warrior Princess.

Voyager is my favorite Star Trek series. But this episode totally sucks. I agree with everything you said.

Episode did not work but FYI Joel Grey is an actor with A LOT of old Hollywood credits. He's still alive... in his 90s and from Cleveland... but yes... not a good episode. Joel Grey could have been used somewhere much better. I would guess that Mulgrew was probably very excited to work him.

Glenn Morshower was also one of the bridge crew members on the Enterprise-B in “Generations” (the one that Harriman orders to release the drive plasma).

Despite all of Alex's fever dream scenarios, Winrich Kolbe seemed pretty happy... [For his part, long-time Star Trek director Rick Kolbe found himself amazed by Mulgrew and Grey. "That was the parade piece for Kate and Joel Grey as far as I am concerned," the director raved. "They clicked immediately and had a wonderful relationship on screen and off [...] I was in awe. They were two talents having a wonderful time and it showed. It was probably the best acted piece I've been associated with on Star Trek." (The Official Star Trek: Voyager Magazine issue 15)]

Don’t worry Josh, the worst is coming, sooner than you think…

“Resistance” is futile…

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Well, this one is totally new to me. Either that or my CRS is getting really bad. D-

I hope I forget what I did today.

Not a single mention of the Prime Directive here I noticed.

I used to hate this episode and his performance till I really found out who he was then I can respect him. At least he was in an episode of Buffy. He was way better there also kind of weird but he’s playing like a demon, half demon?

Guys! Guys! Guys! Let Joel Grey Cook.

Everyone has bad days I guess.

I am pretty sure they addressed Vulcans suppressing pain in TOS. Season 1 Operation Annihilate comes to mind.

More meh from Voyager for me - another C episode, but then again, it is still season 2 of a Berman-era Star Trek series, so I suppose we should keep that in mind. Your faces at the 27:45 commercial break says it all. For the record, I thought Joel Grey did a good job for what he was given. Good eye Alex: Alan Scarfe as Augris in the episode being the Romulan in Data's Day. I thought he also did a good job given what he had to work with. RIP.

First off, I will say that whatever else one thinks about this episode, I think most would agree it's fairly forgettable. Episodes like Faces or Jetrel stick with you, and even the concept of mid episodes like Learning Curve or 37s stick with me enough that I remember fairly well what they're about even decades later. Resistance just kind of fades from memory after a few years, which I suppose you guys will be glad to hear. Still, I'm rather surprised at how much you hate it. Don't get me wrong, if you just found it boring and mid, I'd totally understand. That's how I felt about Meridian. Apart from a few good scenes, the zero chemistry romance just didn't do it for me, and I didn't understand why it appealed to you. Here it's the opposite. I'd probably give this a C+. Not great or anything as a whole, but certainly not an E in my book. I think the performance from Joel was fine and effective a lot of the time. Yeah the distraction scene was goofy AF, but to be fair, he was acting the fool on purpose, and it worked. The guy got away, at least for a while. I guess why the episode works more for me is that I can empathize with this guy just being broken after losing his whole family, and being so trapped in his delusion that they're still alive that he doesn't even clock that his "daughter" isn't even the same species. I have seen very little of Joel Grey's work, so the name or being an AA winner means nothing to me, but I do think he was effective playing this guy whose lost everything and concocted this fantasy to protect himself from the pain. If that doesn't resonate, understandable. The execution could certainly have been better in many ways. I will offer a theory however. First, I think "special guest star" set you guys off from the beginning, because it's like the episode is telling you to like the actor before you've seen them do anything, and that put you in a mindset to push back on that and reject the performance. Second, and Josh touched on this, this is a mediocre episode(with some good bits IMO) following a string of bad to mediocre episodes. Maneuvers was ok, but even that had some notable flaws. Honestly the only legitimately good/great eps this season have been Projections and Non Sequitur. We know how much you guys loved S1, and rightly so. However I've found you to be very lenient on what I think are genuinely bad S2 eps like Elogium. I'd say half of the 12 eps of S2 so far could be classified as bad. It's felt like S2 has been getting the benefit of the doubt from you guys because S1 was so consistently good. It almost feels like this was just the episode where you realized "hey, season 2 has been kind of shit", and that you'd been going easy on it, and this was finally the straw that broke the camel's back. It feels like all that pent up disappointment and frustration with the season just got dumped on this episode. At any rate, I do believe the second half of the season is a big improvement, and I hope you'll find episodes you enjoy there.

I see Josh and Alex have a lot of hate for this one, Alex not holding back. I did think this one was a bit boring, i did not care, but I was shocked to see Joel Grey in this one. I do like Joel Grey, I can not say this episode was written well for us to care about him. I blame the writing not the actor. I enjoyed seeing Joel Grey even if I did not care for how it was written. The writers in my option want to has the big actor use what they are good at, but do not know how to do that for one episode.

Didn’t see this reaction coming 😂 I always had a meh reaction to the episode because the concept in my opinion is old. Whenever you have the semi crazy person who thinks this stranger is their loved one, it’s always some sort of guilt/already dead situation. But I feel like there are worse sins and types of bad than that.

Getting caught up on the reactions. I believe you were referring to the WCW Power Plant

Bah, LA doesn't mean shit anymore. Look at Obsession and Backrooms doing so well, also Iron Lung. Things are changing and hollywood is increasingly losing relevance. Honestly to me you guys are better than most of the dreck that HW is churning out these days.

This is a vintage Target Audience! 😂 Poor Joel Grey.

It’s hard for me to get worked up one way or another, the scenes on the ship were generally terrible. The scenes on the surface were fine if by the numbers. Memorable for having the worst technobabble to date but ultimately like a C+?

I don't think the guest star's performance is the issue, it's that his scenes are way too long.

I didn't care for the guest star either, but apparently the producers wanted him, not the other way around. He rejected several previous invitations until he saw this script and liked it. So that "special guest" credit was gifted to him, not demanded by him. Hate him all you want, but be fair about it. ;)

Wanting Star Trek to 'embrace the stupid' and avoiding explanations is just asking for disappointment. Well, at least until you get past 2005. It sounds like you want scifi to be fantasy.

Another Voyager as a sleeping pill episode.

The Caretaker dropped Voyager off in a really shitty part of the galaxy.

Look, there is a very important thing you have to keep in mind when watching this one. If you stay alert long enough and pay close attention you can notice the SKIP button on your remote and the episode will end early.

I'm surprised at how much you both hated this, but on the other hand I do like a good angry rant.

Joel Grey - Academy Award winner, Tony Award winner, BAFTA winner, Golden Globe winner. Emmy and Grammy nominee.

I'm going to split the difference and say that I don't care for this episode and have actually not been too gung-ho to watch this with other reactors, but I didn't think it was a bad story per se and thought the acting was good.

Joel Grey is not just a Broadway legend, he played the Korean Martial Arts Master Chun, in the movie Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins in the 80s. A Jewish man made up to look Korean back when Hollywood refused to cast Asian actors. (He did ok, if you ignore the studio's blatant racism of the time). But now it's kind of an ironic joke and makes Remo Williams age very badly despite being a wonderfully campy "superhero" movie.

Couldn’t agree more. Lame episode. Better ones to come.

The most horrendous waste of a top-shelf guest star since Fred Astaire showed up as Starbuck's father in the original Battlestar Galactica. Joel Grey is a Broadway legend and deserved so much better than this drek

Resistance is... brutal.

Love the thumbnail on this one.

I thought the guest actor did a fine job depicting a traumatized pseudo psychotic father. But you love the over the top cheesy romantic dialogue in bad episodes……..

This is a rare kind of episode where the show asks you to complete one task, easy for some, impossible for others. Empathize with a character you don't know, absorb his story, and be moved emotionally by his tragedy and plight. All in 45 minutes. It works for me, but I easily get swept into immersive-mode. If you can't connect, then this would indeed be extremely boring. I do wonder though, had the guest actor been played by someone you love, do you think you could have been invested then? I suspect, even in that case, it'd be a challenge for you both.

A completely forgettable episode. I know I've watched it, but each time I come across the episode I have to read up again what it was supposed to be about. Then it's like "oh yes, the one episode wherte Janeway follows a weird guy around". Definitely one of the worse episodes of Voyager.

Oh there are worse episodes friends, lol.

It might be interesting to check out Jammer's review from this episode when it aired, he loved it: https://www.jammersreviews.com/st-voy/s2/resistance.php

such a nothing ep that I didn't bother leaving a take. The second half of this season is much better than the first IMO...... but don't get too excited lol

I really enjoy the narrow scope of the story. It was a change of pace from the typical, ‘a single ship meets with 4 guys and somehow reshapes the entire planet’ episode. Instead, it kept it at the human level. This man with some form of dementia, is longing for what he remembers home to be, which ties nicely with the plight of Voyager’s crew. Despite his apparent illness, he’s willing to do whatever it takes to achieve that, even if it means degrading himself for the amusement of others, to ensure he has that chance. This correlates with Janeway’s dedication to rescue her crew, even if it requires posing as a prostitute. I also appreciate the one-on-one time between B’Ellana and Tuvok in prison. It show’s a side of empathy we rarely see with B’Ellana, especially towards Tuvok. I also thought Mulgrew’s acting was just spectacular. She is able to convey so much nuance with her facial expressions, it really is impressive. I’ve also always been moved by the guest actor here as well. Perhaps it’s because I’ve had 2 family members with dementia, but it really resonated with me how despite his handicap, he still wants to feel like he can make a difference. I love this episode, sorry you all didn’t like it though.

Never liked this one. Crazy dude is just a bad character, even though I think the actor played the role he was handed just fine. They focus far too much on him.

Voyager sex scoreboard SCORES!! Janeway and Caylem scoring and bangin like rabbits. OH WAIT. no that was the step daddy channel on porn hub we were watching on the third screen to try to make this episode watchable...... it didn't work officially no scores ........um nuff said SCOREBOARD Paris 2 Chakotay 1 Neelix 1 Kes 1 Harry 1 Torres 1 Jayneway 1

"It could've been a good scene." It is a good scene. But everybody is entitled to an opinion, yourself included, as well as me.

This is a tedious always skip episode, the guest star is unwatchable. Actually rewatching it now this might be one of the worst episodes of the show for me, certainly the worst episode so far This has undeniably been a very mid first half of this season but I genuinely think after this final stumbling block this second half of the season has some all time great episodes and a couple unforgettably memorable ones too, please don't think voyager got all of its good moments out of the way in season one there is a long road ahead yet

"past tense" is not "bad television" It's great inspirational teelevision. Again, it's very much a story to the core of what trek is about. The idealism and utopianism and resisting despaire and hopelessness

Major Flemming and Chiun, together again IYKYK

I almost spit my drink on Alex's "Maybe you already sent it." Just so completely checked out from the episode. That was far more entertaining than anything that was happening on screen.

request - if you guys could do a vid of Joel Grey's goofy dancing adding some funny music

Welp. That was one of the episodes of Voyager of all time.

Word of advice. Never watch Caberate.

I am sorry you didn't enjoy this... I personally find it enjoyable. The reason he kept breaking into that prison is because he thought his wife and daughter was still alive. Dementia is sad. Also from Google Plus I read it in one of Kate Mulgew's interviews: Mulgrew, who played Captain Janeway, actually suggested that Grey be cast as the alien character Caylem. Since they had previously worked together on the 1985 film Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins, Mulgrew knew he would be a perfect fit for the guest role.

I completely forgot this episode existed. It's nothing we haven't seen before, and the bad guys are bland fascist space not-sees. As in, I could not see them again and be happy. Joel Grey gives a great performance at points, but it's all down to the script here. They spend far too much time on his character, bouncing him between tragic, comic, and quirky. And it grates. Kate Mulgrew is doing her absolute best here, the Tuvok and B'elanna stuff is good, but it's not enough to save this episode. It's ultimately "meh" for me, not the worst of Trek IMO, but just cut-and-paste Trek tropes. On to the next....

The problem with these kinds of episodes is that you can't successfully tell a story about a planet being ruled by an oppressive government and have meaningful character development with someone we have just met, in one episode. An example of how this does work is DS9's Duet, but we've had several seasons of Trek by that point to build the lore about the Cardassian occupation of Bajor. Nothing feels in the slightest bit real about the resistance, the prison, the government or Caylem, and trying to set it all up in less than an hour feels like such a chore to watch. I think the scene with Caylem goofing around has got to be the cringiest moment in Voyager. Agree with the E.

This episode could have been good. Problem is... its not. Its not terrible either. Just incredibly forgettable.

This episode is like a nightmare. You dream of a whacky annoying guy, you want to leave the place, but somehow you can't reach the door.

I don't know if you guys remember, but Joel Grey is now a TA alum. He was the Ghost of Christmas Past in the Patrick Stewart Christmas Carol. Anyway, thanks for suffering for us!

Shaka when the story sucks.

No, I believed that the performance here was Oscar Winning and not that the actor won an Oscar

Did a random skip ahead of the reaction for funsies and landed on this line: "This is the longest episode of all time." Put THAT in the trailer stinger! =D

Okay so this is embarrassing. I was confused because I didn't recognize the title. I looked up the synopsis and I never watched this episode. lmao. I didn't even know it existed. UPDATE: Okay....This episode is AWFUL.

That's an insane take, for me the guest star's acting is the best acting on Voyager so far and one of the most powerful performances in all of Star Trek. The story is very generic but his performance is the only thing that salvages this for me, wish it was saved for a better episode. Oh well, we all view acting in different merits.

The main bad guy in this episode must be the greatest micromanager in the galaxy. Diplomat, street patrol, prison guard, and once he dies the Voyager crew is no longer being pursued. EDIT: Oh yeah and he also handled interrogating *and* torturing prisoners.

Voyager cast, one by one, tears in their eyes, removing Josh from their Christmas card list. Tim Russ with the black sharpie: “A Matter of Time?!? How could he?”

I feel like this one is a blatant attempt to rip off “Life is Beautiful” all the way down to a silly father figure who sacrifices himself to Nazis for their child. It’s not a bad story per se, it’s just we have seen this so many times on Star Trek and other media that it needs something unique to be interesting, and this was not unique.

Janeway is great