UNCUT - Little Green Men (DS9 S4E8) | Star Trek Journey 386

How can you possible not like this episode

First time contributor long time Youtube free loader I don't understand why you blur the Uncut version of the reaction video and sound As for the episode you cant be disappointed with a Fergie episode there always a good time

The first time I watched this I wanted to like it more than I did, I'm excited to revisit it with you guys.

I like this one, i give it B.

I want to know more about the Holosuite program that Dax bought for Bashir. I’ve never seen this far into DS9 before, so I wonder if we’ll ever get a glimpse of that to see what kind of experience TEN strips of latinum gets you….

I've never found this episode to be amazing or anything, but it's still a banger. It's trek doing a fun, campy take on the Roswell incident, and in that regard it's successful. We also have Nog officially off to the academy, I like that Rom is steadily being reestablished as someone who's not a complete idiot. That devious little grin after saying he'd ask Gaila for a lawyer, he knew what he was doing. Presumably since nothing changed, this was one of those cases where they were supposed to go back in time, as opposed to being there in addition to or instead of other aliens. Good episode overall

Regarding the picture of Bell/Sisko. When Nog says that Bell looks like Sisko Quark dismisses it with "all humans look alike". That was a common thing said by racists about black people. So a bit of meta commentary/edgy comedy there.

Past Tense wasn't set present day. It was set 29 years in the future from when the episode aired. Josh, every time that episode gets brought up, you seem to be under the impression it was set in 1995. It was set in fictional future 2024. It wasn't a time travel episode where they travelled to present day.

"Well crack my knuckles and jump for joy."

I always liked how there were 3 or 4 aliens depending since I seem to remember there being varying reports of 3 or 4 Roswell aliens. Maybe just story coincidence but fits lol. Fun episode haha. They did mention Truman in the episode I believe early on.

Of all the ones we have seen up to this point I gotta put this as one of the strongest. Solid story written well with every little thing in there for a logical reason, like Odo being there at the beginning, to this random dog (who for once isnt the murderer). Paced well with nice mini hooks at every commercial break, and nice little character beats for our leads showing their different personalities thanks to the plot. A very TOS episode and thus a well done episode.

Has Phenomon mentioned his name is inspired by a song?

Now that I watched it, I'm sorry Josh didn't like it as much but it was so fun watching Alex having a great time. For me the guest actors work really well. They bring the vibe of that era of television. It's fun to think Quark, Rom & Nog were the cause of the Roswell incident. :D And the writing is fantastic, the way they move from the topics of poisoning themselves, to poisoning the atmosphere to needing the nuclear blast to get home. And just a lot of other sub-topics that tie in really well to keep the story moving and relevant. That whole scene starting with Quark getting sodium pentothal shots (developed in 1932), Rom instantly caving and crying out for Moogie to Nog improvising is sooooo good. The writing and acting, that scene - chef's kiss. Great episode ♥ S tier for me.

The shuttle was stored in Hanger 18. In 1980 James L Conway (director of this episode) directed the 'alien spaceship crashes to Earth' film called... Hanger 18. I have seen it but not for about 40 years I remember nothing other than it wasn't great. I never forget this wonderful episode though...

I like this one a lot, it is so much fun. Most fun away from the station

I'm from Chicago and the Cleveland joke is hilarious. Love this one.

I lived in Roswell for about half a decade. What's funny is that back then (mid-80s), there was no mention of aliens amongst the town folk. It was sort of an embarrassment and a kinda taboo subject. When I went back for a visit in the 90s, it was "alien this, alien that". They finally figured out what a cash cow it was! And even Trek & other sci-fi show actors went out there for UFO festivals. I'll be going out there again next year (first time since the early 90s). It'll be interesting to see how much has stuck. And lastly, "MOOOOOGIE!" 🤣

It's a cheesy, over the top fun little episode that emulates the cinema from the 50s. Completely disposable as you said, but that's okay.

Love this episode and I've been really looking forward to rewatching this

Not mentioned in the video by anyone, but my biggest negative of this otherwise fun, harmless episode is how much time they devote to this human couple's relationship and wedding plans. Why did they think this was important for us to sit through?

I love that this episode turned out completely differently than what they originally speculated it would be about

Josh - I don't care about science details. Also Josh- you mean to tell me Nog had time to read a book on a shuttle ride to Earth?! I mean, things just move at the speed of plot. Actually, Nog and Rom are extremely intelligent as shown here. Rom's underlying technical aptitude has slowly been shown as when he locked Quark's bar and not even O'Brien thought he would be able to figure it out. Nog seems to process information differently as when he cataloged the cargo bay for Sisko ahead of schedule. Also, he was studying Earth culture as part of trying to join Starfleet as he knew about Root Beer early on.

Wow, this is the worst episode I've ever seen, it was great!

I think I'm more on Alex's side it's just fun, it's a fun time nothing too deep.

I never noticed until this viewing, but before they fix the universal translator and the woman is examining Quark, he says something in the Ferengi language that includes the word "oo-mox." So it wasn't just Nog and Rom.

Fun episode for sure. I think there's NEVER enough dialogue as to how 'dumb' humans have been in the way we treat the planet. Literally burning down our "home"

This an A tier for me, it's just a fun episode.

The really funny bit is that Jake is a main cast member and we hardly ever see him. I always felt like the writers just didn't know what to do with him a lot of the time, although he has some good episodes focused on him from time to time.

So its mot just that Rohm has self confidence now, its that he was always coded as "slightly on thr spectrum" before that was a thing. Not good at social interaction or "common sense" (though not as dumb as he looks) or making profit, but a savnt genius at engineering and phsyical science. Hes also gotten mopre confidene because hes legitimately proud out of his son and is kins of moving towards developing his own personality instead of trying to be a good "ferengi" which he never was. Also, you talked over it, but its not "how much profit" you makel its whether youve earned a net profit thst determines whether you got to ferengi heaven or hell

The reason Nog might have read about it was the program being an advanced interactive computer would register that for a first time vistor, a history of earth's contact wih other worlds might be part of it and they might have mentioned The post world war 2 interest in "flying saucers" as a footnote when man suspected human travel and how since Vulcans were ware of Earth and occassionally monitoring it it could have said something like "who knows, perhaps one or two of those incidents were actually obervers" I dont know if that would have come off as two obviois foreshadowing... Maybe if you disguised it by having Rohm or someone ask about earth history to set uop the contarst

Baseball, Root Beer, Darts, Atom Bombs. You have to admit, that is kinda the deal with Earth

Also, think when you guys saw the Bell Riots referemce (again one of your worst takes ever.. i do kind of hate you judge things on tropes that werent establihed tropes at the time though this is more the cade with the dominion but you didnt get this one and it "bored you" because this is very much spiritual star trek which ios something you REALLY dont relate to an DS9 is really the one that gets heavy with that. Its about humanity and what it takes it to make a better world and all that, very resonant with treks themes and sisko's arc as the emissary which frankly you just dont get because you.. well literally you dont understand it, and its not the kind of thing that can be explained, its certain kinds of experienfes youve either have or hadnt and its not... about the supernatural... This show makles it explicit there not supernatural but they are... like the man from another in place in twin peaks.... Its just not something you can really explain to someone whose closed off to it because they confuse it with like... just the supernatural aspect and the world stuff as opposed to... the mystical experience which doesnt require a belief in anything magical in the way you think of it. Long side point, but... you missed the russel thing was a setup for Quark's line "All humons look the same" Sometimes you do miss lines when you dont heat the punch after the setup. There was anolther one of these here. Its not weird that Nog's dad and uncle are thee when hes getting umax because theres never been any sense of sexual shame in ferengi from what weve seen and it would be more of a "show it off" culture. I mean when you said wouldnt the scientist realize... I feel like you missed the setup where all of these chatacters were intentionally goofy archetypes and the whole thing was kind of a bit on these kinds of stories in sci fi in general, it was one of the most "meta" humor things that trek had done at the time, but again,. DS9 was trying to expand what trek could be and I dont know if you exactly got her naivite and optimism as the sterotypical stock character contartsed with how the ferengi who we know were seeing things.. I mean you sort of got it, but I'm not sure you quite got how the fact there intepretations were so wholesome and idealistic was part of the gag and the contrast with what was actually going on.. this was the whole context. We see it from the stock setup perspective, and then we see it from the ferengi perspective. the whole "humans are so primitive" thing is not just a bit but its alsp part of deepning the ferengi and showing how as laughable as they are to us to them some things are inconceivably stupid that even by their standards they wouldnt think are reasonable, so.. again its not like you ddint geyt it entirely... and I feel like this is kind of a common thing... You get SOME of whats going on but youre so focused on like, tropes and sort of, like writing 101 stuff you make assumptiond about what theyre trying to do and miss some of the other levels... Like aagin, the jem'hadar and Past Tense.. when you thought it was supposed to be the enterprise which it never was or how you though the shift from camping trip to "plot" was bad writing when it was an intentional misdirection to set the mood... and you feel for it in the wrong way, like you hoped the episode was super low stakes and when you saw it was a "big important plot" episode you got so mad because of your focus on that trope... you were just in the totally wrong mood for what they were going for. Which you can say is a failure of execution but again, the writing wasnt bad, it was intentional and the low stakes character stuff was done and... again, its sort of a weid bias, but you are so on the trope of "through the characters" its like you dont care about plot at all but the reality odf the plot MATTERS to the character so... I mean also, judging this by the standard ot tropes youve seen throughout sci fi when this was actually big nee for star trek. The closest thing was the Borg but that was a one off. This is the introduction of a "Big Bad" yes, but in the context of star trek its the biggest bad theyve ever faced that is a major satus quo changing plot element, not a one off like the borg. The setup didnt fail.. its more that you like trek, but you only like parts of that appeal to you guys, and have basically zero interest in other parts that appeal to fans like the universe as it exists "outside of the characters" as you put it... i mean, its sort of inconsistent... you just have every strong preferences, and if you check out early if... its not your kind of trek and you get mad at what you see as "tropish" writing... Let me put it a different way.. You care about characters,. but not THEMES. Like the themes are just... to you, vehicles for fun charcater stuff, whereas... If the theme of it.. isnt something you have any investment in.. youre going to just dismiss it because you wanted it to do something else instead of judging it on what it was trying to do> I think thats the key. Understanding what they were trying to go for and judging whether it worked on that basis rather then... being disappointed they werent trying something more towadrs your taste and then being hyper critical because youre not seeing if what they were going for worked, but how going for it all was soemthing you hate when "things" go that way generally, and through this bias mistake bad writing for... as I've said, its like saying.... "Duet" sucked, I didnt laugh once! "Little Green Men" sucked, the human characters were written like tropes and I never felt any sense of actual consequences! Like... i do respect you for always being honest about your feelings... its just when its one of those deals. Like... imagine someone going on about "Lessons" or "The Bonding" because they hated "dumb personal drama stories where nothing happens, saying TOS was about adventures, there isne evn an adventure, this sucks and is the worst of trek. Can you imagine how ot would go if they just went on like that...

I like how they actually try to respect ferengi culture and they make some points that the ferengi as hyper capitalists dont actually do slavery (it doesnt make economic sense anyway) and have some aspects where they see us as primitive. Sisko and them all have come a long way from their first judgements of Nog, and the miosgyngy isnt really loved, but its cool theyh actually do make the ferengi more nuanced. I feel like (in universe) the ferengi we encountered were ones who "failed upward" Like sons of privilege, they were the dumb ones who inherited wealth and got their own ships and hired cheap suckups (and since each ship in the alliance is a private ship no on ship constitutes the ferengi governemnt) though they do have collective deals in some super oligarchial based system. Its yes, a joke, but its also kind of taken seriously as a culture that exists in this world. Like the ferengi even when they are protrayed as funny feel much more serious and real then they ever were on TNG. I also like that they tend to like the potential threat of violence more then follo through as actually fighting batles is not smart finance was but the appearance of being a threat can be. The one who wanted revenge on Picard was an exception, its culture not not a plnet of hates exactly.

Easily one of the funniest episodes of Trek. Comedy gold. For me, this episode is on par with Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. A+

Some folks like to whinge about them, but I love the Ferengi episodes. They have just the right amount of palate cleansing goofiness to reset from (or prepare for) the more weighty episodes

I just 🩷 this episode!

“We just want to sell you things.” 😂

Just realized why Armin says S4 is when the show really hit its stride: it's the season *he* finally gets to sit in a captain's chair! /believe he's said in interviews that, ultimately, it's the ambition of *every* Trek actor to sit in The Captain's Chair at least once

I'm amazed they liked this given how much they shit on time travel episodes normally.

I always loved this episode

Cleveland was even more funny at the time of the Episode because back then when this episode came out ...IT was really Random. it was a Time before Lebron put Cleveland on the map. Also before Ohio became a Major Swing State in 2000 Election... Back then it was barley on the map.

Poor Alex. Josh really no-sells his very good joke about the X-Files and DS9 crews at the Emmys waiting to hear who won an award for Little Green Men. 😔

They irradiated their own planet? (one of my line faves)

I'm more with Josh on this one. The real substance of the episode is in the first 10 minutes with the Nog stuff. Everything after that is just really about whether the jokes work. Even Quark dipping his toe into becoming a supervillain just feels like a gag.

Is there going to be a Little Green Men tier list at the end of the season? Cause I think both episodes are A-tier.

Do you think we would've been better off if Quark sold us future tech and the Ferengi became the superpower of the quadrant? Quark generally likes hu-mons and peace so I'm sure he'd also use his future knowledge to warn everyone about the Borg, the Dominion, and such.

1:07:20 - The army base in Roswell was actually the Paramount Pictures studio lot, so you guys actually saw glimpses of what Paramount Studios looked like in the episode. And the studio, of course, is where TOS (movies included), TNG (Generations movie also), DS9 and Voyager were filmed.

I really love this episode. Very tongue in cheek and great fun. Super stuff!

Always felt the kinda' wonky acting in this episode was a deliberate homage to '50s pulp sci-fi movies. Incessant smoking included.

Josh, I'm a bit surprised, given you think the comedy worked well, isn't a pure comedy episode with low stakes right up your alley? Perhaps you just weren't really in the mood for comedy, feeling more like a burger rather than cake at this moment? And the Odo reveal got me too, I had entirely forgotten that he tagged along with them to Earth. Brilliant, but even funnier when you consider that the trip to earth takes weeks. Odo was just hanging out somewhere on Quark's tiny ship, maybe as part of the bulkhead or something... Alex is spot on that this breather episode was necessary after so many heavy gut punchers earlier in the season. It's a very competent humor episode which I lump into a different category to traditional episodes. I'd say there are 4 core types: Dramas Intrigues Comedies Epic / "mythos"

Its a good Trek episode fun

HJ’s and Oomox aren’t exactly a one to one. I mean Ferengi s do have actual genitalia. I think it’s just like an erogenous zone like some people might like their neck being kissed or whatever?

One of my favorite "fun" episodes that doesn't take itself seriously. Easy A for me.

I thought this was a great concept with a lot of good bits, but with some execution problems. Too much *wink* *wink* "humans are savages" and *nudge* *nudge* "character in the past predicts what the future will be like". Pacing felt off; setting up the goodbye for Nog was fine on its own but made the Roswell bit start pretty late in the episode. Too much time spent on the side characters interacting only with each other and not with our guys. I still enjoy it for what it is each time I reach it in a re-watch, but it could have been so much better.

A few hours on the shuttle? It takes roughly 2 weeks to get from DS9 to Earth.

If they were going from DS9 to Earth, I think the show has established that trip takes days, maybe weeks, FYI.

the thing I always found ominous about this episode is that Odo disguised himself as a dog. I doubt the dog was just a stray they let wander onto the base. It had to be a dog that actually belonged there that Odo replaced. So... what did Odo do with the original dog???

It would figure you think one of my favorite episodes is meh. I suppose I should be grateful you didn't poop all over it. 💩

In New Jersey, we know Cleveland as "The Mistake By The Lake." Dunno if you ever heard that one. But listen...you can rag on me. I live in NEW JERSERY. AkA, the punchline of the United States. I agree that time travel episodes don't really do it for me. But this one was okay! Nothing great. Nothing offensive. A solid B-Tier episode.

Wonder if there’s an outtake of Charles Napier singing like he did in the TOS Way to Eden episode

MOOOOOOGGGIEEEEE!!!

"Baseball, Root Beer, Darts, Atom Bombs" one of my favorite line in all of Star Trek.

Wow. Nog sure got a lot of reading done on the ship.

Does anybody like the "Oh, massage my lobes hah hah" bit? It's awful. Stop doing it, DS9 writing staff.

"You mean your people are going to invade... Cleveland?!"

Nog. That is all we needed to know.

Little Green Men in two different series...

Let's fucking go!!!!

... oh... I wanted the x-files. 🖖