UNCUT - Twisted (VOY S2E6) | Star Trek Journey 375

Look, I'm not a fan of jealous partners. But Tom definitely crossed a line there...Like if someone gave my girlfriend an "expensive" (in terms of replicator rations) piece of jewelry for her birthday...I might think that was a little inappropriate, too. Once, my boyfriend bought me a little stuffed bernese mountain dog because I really wanted one but couldn't have one at the time which I thought was super romantic and thoughtful but then I found out he bought a dalmation plush for a female friend at his law school for the same reason at the same time. I was so mad about it and gave him an earful. Tom should not be buying gorgeous, expensive jewelry for someone else's girlfriend. Neelix gets a pass on that one from me. Not that it's Kes' fault. And not that Neelix should lash out about it. But Tom was def in the wrong this time, too. Also, I've said it before but I'm sure Neelix' possessiveness and jealousy comes from his lifestyle prior to Voyager. He made his life, supported himself and his loved ones by scavenging and bartering and trying to turn scarcity into sustainment. You have to be possessive and protective of what you have in that situation. And nothing in his life is more rare or precious or important than Kes. He's lived a life of people trying to steal things he needs to survive. Neelix recognizes that same greed in Tom and is terrified of it. He's only been on Voyager a few months...it takes time to readjust a mindset like that and he is working on it. Again, Kes doesn't deserve the jealousy but I bet that's why she's so tolerant of it for now. She and Neelix have been through a lot and she knows him well.

Don’t act jealous, but I can feel it.

Godawful episode

I'm parallel watching Voyager on my device in German (my native togue). In the German Dub, the synchronisation studio gave Janeway another line than "Dola moggy foogle laa DOOO GAA" in the "talking garbled language" scene. But the Doctor in her view before that clearly did garbled voice. In the German Dub she said relative clearly "It said: Do nothing" in a somewhat much-too-clear acting to mimic the real acting of Kate Mulgrew in the scene ^^ That's partialy why it didn't made that much sense for me (us germans), that they are still puzzled and trying to figure and arguing around about doing something or not. But we, mostly, said "Oh they thought she is dilusional and hearing things that aren't there" or something.

As someone who was an Anxious Preoccupied attachment style myself, who also struggled with jealousy, I remember watching this episode and Chachotay's words had a profound impact on me. I wrote them down and went back to them whenever I was in the grip to help me process what I was feeling and why. Now that I'm 20 years wiser working through all of that, and eventually learned about things like attachment styles, Chachotay's words seem ridiculously surface level, but they do tap into truth. First off, he's validating Neelix's feelings, which is important. Jealousy is just an emotion like any other emotion. Like any other emotion, you can't control how you feel in any given moment, and there's nothing wrong with having feelings. What's important is that we ask ourselves WHY we're having those feelings, and how we choose to act on them. And Chachotay did lead Neelix to the real root cause of his jealousy. Ultimately, jealousy is a form of fear. You can't tell someone that "jealousy is bad" any more than you can tell them that "feeling fear is bad." The key is to look at yourself and ask yourself, "what are you so afraid of?" And acknowledge that your jealousy is, in fact, fear of loss or abandoment, not love. And I'll give Neelix credit, in the case of Tom, Tom is coming on pretty strong to Kes. He has every right to perceive him as a threat. And with every other case of jealousy I've seen both in my own life, and others around me, the people feeling jealous had very valid reasons to feel so. By that I mean that usually these people's suspicions were true, and there was some form of cheating going on. But that's not the point. People who get jealous like this need to realize that even if their partner IS cheating on them, that's a problem with the PARTNER, and in that case they need to let them go and move on, not force them to change or stay, and remove all "threats." If your relationship is strong, then all of the "threats" in the world won't matter because you know that your partner is committed to you and won't be influenced by them. People who feel jealousy are often terrified that their relationship isn't actually as strong as they desperately need to believe that it is. Anxious Preoccupied people subconsciously have their relationships linked with their sense of survival and self worth. They feel like they have to defend the relationship at all costs, or they won't be able to survive without it. They need to develop the security to know that love is respecting someone else's autonomy, and if the relationship ends, it just wasn't meant to be and their world isn't over because of it. Truely loving somebody is being willing to let them go when that's what's best for them. Not constantly trying to force them to stay with you. If someone is trying to "steal your girl away," you handle it like Riker in The Price, not like Neelix. Jealousy, like any other emotion, is a barometer. We have emotions to tell us that something is off. The key is to react to these warnings in a way that is true and healthy, and not in ways that are exaggerated and unhealthy. But this is actually a very hard thing to learn. A lot of us never have healthy ways modeled to us. Neelix is going through a hard process of trying to understand emotional intelligence with no guide other than what little Chachotay just told him. Most people never get there and just let their emotions blindly control them their whole lives. So at least he's trying. He's annoying and toxic right now, but I give him leeway while he learns. I've been there.

When I did a joke take I was joking about Sub Rosa belonging "in a smut novel, not in my beloved franchise" and Alex definitely thought I was being serious LOL

Chakotay can't have mushroom soup, but Neelix can make an extravagant cake for Kes. And before we make the assumption that the ship's supply situation has changed off screen and without comment between episodes, Paris had to use weeks of replicator rations for a necklace. Internal consistency matters to me. These issues were sold as part of the allure of the show, and the challenges of the ship. To have them selectively forgotten and disregarded when convenient makes it hard to take things seriously. When Neelix makes a cake, what does it mean? Is it a big deal because of the rationing? Is it corruption? Does it mean rationing is over? The issue is that it means nothing because the writers didn't intend for it to signal anything. Imagine watching Lord of the Rings and after watching Sam ration the Elven bread to convey the dire nature of their trek, a few scenes later he bakes Frodo a birthday cake. I really hate it when Voyager does this

The Doctor was a fool for turning down Sandrine.

It was worth sitting through this crappy episode again for the Patron Takes.

Just another mid episode, nothing special and also not bad, but I would not watch it again. I do understand people hating on Neelix, because of his jealousy. But to be honest, already knowing he is a jealous person, I thought he handled it better then I have seen then most. Most jealous people would fly off the handle, if another man gave her jewelry. That would drive him crazy insane. So I thought he was trying to control it and made some progress.

Man, season 2 really does have some stinkers... I say this from the perspective on how much better it gets.

So, one issue that struck me is that Tuvok says to for through the ring, but they're in space, they have three dimensions to work in. Go up and over or down and under... And Felix's jealously really grates on me in the early seasons. Other than that, I quite enjoyed the episode. I like stories that explore communication between alien species, can be interesting when done well. This could have been better but ok attempt. I think you are both starting to notice the 'mid' theme growing. Many of us detractors of Voyager fell this way too. Wish they'd made more of Janeway's situation, like maybe she's trying to tell them to do nothing because of the message she received but clearly can't. Nice of her to praise Kim, I'm sure if he continues to impress he'll get a promotion soon. Look forward to hearing your thoughts.

I don’t know if anyone has mentioned this, but for us Gen Xers, René Auberjonois and Ethan Phillips were eminently recognizable as Clayton Endicott III and Pete Downey, from seasons 2-6 of the 1979-1986 sitcom “Benson.”

Have Josh and Alex figured out the neckline issue? You can just zip up the front of the uniform to whatever level you prefer.

The tone of this episode is very weird. Everyone is delivering their lines like they’re in a sitcom.

The guy playing the pool hustler, Larry Hankin, has had hundreds of guests spots especially in the 1980s, 90s, and early 2000s, including Breaking Bad, Malcolm in the Middle, ER, Ellen, Lois and Clark, Married with Children, Mad About You, and even a background player in Next Generation. Notably he had a recurring role as an annoying neighbor on Friends, and he played the actor playing Kramer in Seinfeld’s show-within-a-show.

Voyager is like watching season 7 of TNG

This episode would be right at home with Nutrek it’s badly written and dumb as shit.

The traveler was three in next generation

Neelix in the first Episodes of Season 1 was great for me. Now we had so many Episodes with his jealousy that i don't wanna see him anymore. Hope it is resolved, or will be resolved soon.

Star Trek did the Backrooms before the Backrooms.

Whew! Man, let's not do THAT again! Another episode that is of no consequence...

Phenomena... Do Do Da Do Do

I might be in the minority, but i really like this one. I rank it A.

The most personality we've seen of Chakotay to date.

There is a 1988 TV movie called Roots: The Gift, which aired as a Christmas special, that features four major Star Trek actors. It starred LeVar Burton (Geordi La Forge, TNG), Avery Brooks (Captain Sisko, DS9), Kate Mulgrew (Captain Janeway, Voyager), and Tim Russ (Tuvok, Voyager).

That final holodeck scene is like the writers' room for this episode. Everything they tried just made it worse, so in the end they decided to give up and do nothing: Just go with the Star Trek default option: It was an... alien entity. Genius.

I love that tuvok chakotay scene. But also, having watched some new trek and seeing how they handle that stuff now, I love how that scene is handled as though both are just mature adults

An episode where nothing of consequence happens, but the crew interacts. It's okay.

“Mr Worf…do nothing.” To be continued.

they really used that one hallway set for all it was worth this episode

I like how the title 'Twisted' refers not just to the ship getting all mixed up but to Neelix taking everyone's words and intentions the wrong way.

This isn't on the level of Elogium for me, but it's still a D for "Dumb AF". The good? I do like Janeway giving Kim the compliment in the Jefferies tube. I get that it seemed random, but I always took it as Janeway just being a good captain and letting her crew know they're valued, especially with how homesick Harry is. I do also like the scenes where the crew are making peace with their fate at the end. Tuvok and Chakotay burying the hatchet, Torres turning to Chakotay to find a bit of serenity at what she thinks may be the end, Tom letting Kim know he's not the only one who's afraid, and of course Tuvok comforting the couch. All good stuff. But my God was the rest of this episode trash. I never really bought that the ship being distorted like on the display would result in corridors and rooms being perfectly realigned. You'd expect sheared bulkheads and metal beams, like the ship had gone through a giant compactor. I give a little bit of grace on that point since the phenomenon was the work of some sort of intelligence. And of course, there's Neelix's jealousy. I really wish Chakotay had stopped Neelix when he started with his whole "so it's perfectly natural" bit. He could have said "feeling jealous is a normal thing, but acting on it is the fastest way to drive away the person you love along with everyone else" or something like that. And I've had the same thought for years about the "have you been in all these quarters". That straight up sounded like he was accusing her of whoring herself out to the entire crew. Ocampa only live 9 years, and as such would need to have an eidetic memory to learn anything significant before they die. The names are written on the doors. Kes could probably also tell him where science lab 3 or power junction 27 are. In the course of her duties she's likely just memorized a good chunk of the ship's layout. Now I will agree that Tom giving Kes the locket was pretty suspect, but that doesn't in any way excuse how he acted. I'm not going to say Neelix jealousy is done, but that scene was the single worst example for me.

I liked this one, surprisingly. Neelix scenes are quite annoying, but I really loved the visuals and concept of the ship becoming a maze.

Oh man. I forgot how bad this episode was. Atrocious writing. Atrocious direction. Sub Par acting. Ridiculous character moments out of the blue. Neelix being himself. O man. E for me. Moving along.

The funniest part about the B'elanna opening the door on the half naked guy bit is how unaffected he was!

BTW - This wasn't the first time The Doctor used the phrase "I'm a doctor, not a ....". In The Phage, he said "I'm a doctor, Mr. Neelix, not a decorator." when Neelix complained about the ceiling. Given that Dr. McCoy was one of the 47 personality profiles used to create his program, it makes sense that some of his mannerisms will shine through

On the subject of Kate Mulgrew's previous work, if you have 2 hours to kill, try "Remo Williams - The Adventure Begins". Pure 80s Reagan-era martial arts / spy fluff, best enjoyed with your brain on idle..... kinda like the 80s themselves

S2 episodes so far are “Initiations” (with Aron Eisenberg as the Kazon teenager) and “Non Sequitur”. The S1 holdovers, in production order, are “Projections”, “Elogium”, “Twisted”, and “The 37s”.

I think this is one Season One holdover that should have been lost in the Delta Quadrant for good.

Thank God that one is over…

Gets elevated to a C for Chakotay and Tuvok interaction, otherwise, most of it put me to sleep.

On recurring holodeck characters "Skeletor" from Worf's combat training programme is worth a mention.

I forgot how much I like that 'we all might be about to die' scene.

Also, I'm not sure that the ship being twisted like it's being crushed (the way it looked on their 'map' of the ship) would explain totally different rooms being connected like there's a hidden portal at the doors of different rooms, or how people were walking in loops, or being on deck 3 and deck 6 at the same time, etc. If anything, you'd think every room would just look twisted and messed up like the jeffries tube Janeway got her hand stuck in.

Buying a locket for a woman you know is in a relationship with someone else is wild. I don't care for 'Jealous Neelix' plots, but I don't blame him for not liking that.

Liked this episode. A different kind of weird space anomaly; nice scenes as the ship is apparently deconstructed; and the "solution" is unexpected.

Voyager has some astronomically high highs, and some truly nadiral low lows, but a lot of it is... this (at least, to me). Bring on s4 of DS9, Armin wasn't wrong about how good it is.

i've never wanted to return to ds9 more than i do after watching this latest batch of star trek voyager episodes. they reminded me of why i generally dislike voyager more than tng and ds9, lol.

30 years later the exisitance this episode is justified by this reaction

My favorite part was when Tuvok excused Harry to go to the party

Gods, I cannot WAIT to get back to DS9.

A fun weird episode with very TNG feeling with the whole Oh it's just a friendly hello that appears horrifying as hell. Neelix beginning to address his flaws is a good thing, I suppose for him, fearing losing somebody you love is something that hangs over him, sorta PTSD since his homeworld was exploded I like how instead of always going to Guinan's bar, or Neelix's lunchroom, a lot of the crew have settled in that rustic bar from Earth, a little touch of the Alpha Quadrant for the crew.

I was rewatching Time and again.. Kes has burgeoning psychic abilities though it seems we haven’t really seen them since? What if Kes is like the Luke Skywalker of this show? She becomes a Jedi and has to save the crew from Sith aliens. Tom is Han Neelix is Chewie! 😆

I like the dreamlike aspect of this episode... it reminds me of a recurring dream I used to have where I would turn on a light switch and it would actually get darker. The weird thing is my brother and I used to have that same dream. Anyway, that's what this whole episode feels like, even the part where Janeway starts yelling about doggie doo.

This for myself is one of the more boring episodes of Voyager. Now saying that, I don't hate it (It's a D, for dull), but it doesn't do anything for me. And just to clarify I like slow well drawn out films or TV (Especially character based, historical works or more grounded science fiction). I'm generally the one who says adapt the full book, I don't care if it would take 20 plus hours to cover. . So slow, isn't an issue for me. But boring is. For scifi give me a 2001 a Space Odyssey, or the original Andromeda Strain, and I'm going ask, is there an extended cut. I'm the one who was going why did they cut out the 17 years that Frodo had the ring before he left the Shire in Fellowship, Where's that extended cut. This is one of about twenty episodes of all of Trek that I will put in when I am having difficulty sleeping. In that, it works fairly well.

I think Neelix is most jealous of Tom because Tom is hot! And Neelix is a hedge hog.

Anyone else go...too doo doo doo phenomenona? 😁

I'm so excited right now. With this reaction released, it means we're finally getting DS9 ''The Way Of The Warrior'' next! Positively STOKED!

I think the episode overall is fine but I really like the “just let it happen” ending. In TNG they would have figured out how to stop it. Here the crew just accepting their fate, whatever it may be, is refreshing for Trek.

Neelix has always suspected Paris. Sometimes it is hard to be witty in print

All in all a nice dry episode. Don't know how else to describe it.

Trippy but good episode Neelix is exxagerated in this one

Double drop? Dang. I can't watch for another few hours! I kind of like this episode. Its dumb, but its fun.

Lowkey enjoyed this episode. I like weird space anomaly stuff. So I would probably rate this as a B-Tier eppie. Somewhere around there anyway. It ain't lighting the world on fire, but it's absolutely above Par. Sandrine's always adds some style and class to Voyager as well.

I was just about to go to bed and now I've got 3 hours worth of reactions to watch.

This aligns with TNG's Schizoid Man, I'm hoping your reaction is as good as that episode.

Josh getting all his homework done so he can leave for summer vacation on time.