UNCUT - The 37's (VOY S2E1) | Star Trek Journey 370
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UFOs here? Aliens here? I have seen 7 UFOs. The first and best was a daytime sighting in 1967. My brother and I witnessed a bright, radiant orange sphere hovering over our backyard. It was about 50 feet in diameter, 150 feet away and 75 feet in the air. It lasted for about 5 minutes, then moved off slowly to the south, barely clearing the tops of the trees between us and the neighbors, disappearing once it was beyond the tree line. Nighttime sighting, 1986, 5 points of light in a V shape, in space, go from the western horizon to the eastern horizon in 2 seconds. Witnessed with my girlfriend. I have seen this exact type of object twice. The first, was a daytime sighting in 2011 with my best friend, Kirk. It was moving away from us to the east and lasted for about 10 minutes. The second, was a nighttime sighting in 2014, by myself. The object approached from many miles to the west, passed my position about 2 miles to the south of me and continued on to the east until it disappeared into the cloud cover. About 15 minutes of viewing time. These videos of a red pulsating UFO is exactly like what I saw on those 2 occasions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldfJy2s-8sk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx8WqiqnJj4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpbMaKW4FaM I also saw a bigfoot 2 years ago. It is a lot, I know. But once you have seen something you can't unsee it.
Wait...the 37's is episode 370 of the Star Trek Journey. Coincidence? I think not!
Coffee, cold brew over ice. Make it so!
It's not the Gulf of America in the future because everyone knows what a joke that short time was and actively ignore it (or because the world didn't care what the US started calling the gulf of Mexico and history went with the majority of the planet). That is my totally unnecessary headcannon
Regarding uniform necklines — there is hidden zipper. Different people have it zipped up to different heights. It was just a coincidence that at the beginning of the episode it looked like the red uniforms were zipped down lower than the yellow ones. Later in the episode you see some the other way around.
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I love Voyager but this episode is so statistically implausible that it insults the intelligence of even the average watcher. Thankfully season two does get better on the whole.
"statistically implausible" is a good way to describe Voyager in general. One of the key things about Trek is it creates a fictional universe that feels believable. Roddenberry and the show creators want to do away with "it happens that way because its sci fi and sci fi isnt a realistic genre so nothing needs to be realistic including characters and plot consistency" Voyager pretty much does away with this aspect of trek and is "whatever works for this episodes plot" The thing is, you can have fantastic elements in a story, but they have to make sense in the universe. If there isn't a consistent logic and things can happen that aren't consistent with everything else that has been established, it kills the drama and suspension of disblief, because any problem can just have a solution that comes out of nowhere. Techno-babble deus ex machina or characters acting in ways that work for the episode but don't create a consistent recognizable character with logical motivations. Voyager is in principle premise heavy, but in reality doesn't want to bother with constraints of consistency. It's a show that doesn't respect its auidence, which Braga and the others explicitly realized eventually as they made a point that the shows should be able to be watched in synidcation so they didnt want anything that would seem to require the auidence to have seen anything that comes before. This may have been a reaction to DS9 being so semi-serialized and having trouble attracting new viewers who didnt know what was going on or understand the complex character arcs, but it really just comes across as someone whose burnt out and is just happy to collect a paycheck and not rock the boat or take risks. Thats one thing here with the general sense the guys prefer Voyager to DS9. DS9 is generally trying something different, whereas Voyager despite its premise feels like TNG 2.0, an inferior knock off with better special effects but total inconsistency in terms of plot and character logic. How many things from the Alpha/Beta Quadrant can Voyager really be expected to encounter? It doesn't matter if it works for today's plot. I can see Josh and Alex saying I don't care about that. But it matters if you want to buy into Trek as a real universe. They seem to think the Dominion is cliche based on plot tropes FROM THE FUTURE relative to DS9, which seems nuts to me. It seems like its more just "we loved TNG, and VOYAGER scratches that itch better, and DS9 isnt like TNG so its bad. I mean, I get that in modern times you have much more serialization, so they liked the idea of a show that was just "every epsidoe is something new"- but DS9 and Buffy which they also hated were actually ground breakers in terms of TV at the time that embraced serialization and respected the intelligence of the audience. I think this is very much a judging things from the past by todays standards. What they're missing in terms of why "stand alone" TV kind of went by the wayside to some extent is that the rules for tv followed the format and market logic. Execs belived viewers were stupid and only tv that was self contained and didnt need to be followed really worked. The problem was at the time it was boring because every episode had to be self contained so the stakes were limited. Also I think the idea that serialized dramas were of the past and associated with low quality soap operas. But this kind of logic unfortunately did hold place for a lot of audiences as if something was introudced in an episode and not immediately followed up in the next it would be criticized. See eary reviews of Twin peaks which was brilliant in terms of its layering and things having long term effects. But people in general got tired of that format. As more serialized things proved the potential for success and that audienes could get into that, especially as with the internet you could follow what was going on and with streaming you could watch when you wanted (another part of this was if you missed an episode, you could only catch it during reruns, so the logic was a show with too much background wouldnt attract new viewers who didnt understand what was going on and could only retain viewers) so the actual "material condtions" changed. The reason that audiences have gotten into more serailzed tv is that you can tell more complex stories with more complex plots, something you couldnt do before. TV on average has actually been better in the past couple decades then the 90s or 80s. When they say stuff like "don't make new stuff" its a form of survivor bias. people remeber the good stuff from back then, but there was A LOT of crap. So it feels very retrograde and from my perspective, a strange way of looking at it as far as "DS9 sucks because its progressing what Trek is, lets just do what we are familiar with because it was good" which wasnt what TNG did relative to TOS. When TNG just tried to do modern TOS it wasnr very good, it had to be its own thing to get good. the "anomaly/planet of the hats/monster of the week" stuff gets old. Heck, Even TOS was starting to struggle to maintain that after its first two seasons
The coconut crab idea is pretty horrible if she was still alive at the time, I just heard about it a few weeks ago.
The one where Torres cannot identify crap with a tricorder.
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Not the very top, but I enjoyed this one. It has the fun adventure aspects of TOS of something that sounds crazy, but not impossible if there were some kinds of wormhole or such used. As far as if I think aliens have visited Earth I have no idea, but wouldn't fully discount it just because we don't know as a society. Bigfoot if he was real I believe are either aliens or as you guys said inter-dimensional creatures that come to explore along the lines of the creatures from E.T. gather items then leave. The universe was around for billions of years before humans came to be so it would make sense if there is life in other locations some developed earlier to advanced levels before us and some would be far behind us. Some may have reached greatness then disappeared somehow while others kept thriving and advanced to find ways of interstellar travel. The problem is even if everything went right for them to do that they'd likely have to be fairly close and just be happen chance to find Earth as they could go any direction when leaving their planet. As far as I have heard (I don't know how it works in physics) but the universe basically expands out flat on a plane much like the planets of our solar system. I'd be curious to see what was going straight up or down from the plane of the solar system if it was all void or something else (if we had the ability to travel like that suddenly). As long as I don't find something even larger and scarier than TON168.
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While I understand your frustrations with over explaining and simplicity at times for yourselves and that's what you are reacting to, just remember that producers are looking at their shows numbers and seeing that there are loads of 9 year olds watching that need deeper explanations and hand holding than the adults watching. Shows like this with large age spread of viewership had to operate differently than something purely built for adults.
The couple crewmember that wanted to leave ended up accidentally in the other cargo bay and swallowed whatever complaints they had after Voyager lifted off suddenly, and they found out that there was an honest mix-up.
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Y’all are a hoot! Coffee
Soo. Where is the Voyager recap?
It is here - https://www.patreon.com/posts/voyager-season-1-156017878 Posted 9 days ago but I had to look for it to find it - last week - when it didn't appear on the main page for me..
I knew you guys would love this show... I KNEW IT. I commented that on YT and got NO likes.. but I was right. I WAS RIIIIGHTTttttt..... TNG, VOY... GOATED. and I hate to break it to you guys, but the arrow key on the keyboard skips ahead 5 seconds.. I did sit through the whole 30 seconds though, on principle. this episode is what I would consider a stinker and there are more to come.
It is still the Gulf of Mexico
It will always be the Gulf of Mexico.
i like how guns haven't been a thing for centuries but they still know the sound to duck to it
as a starfleet officer you could encounter more primitve cultures who use projecile weapons so youre probably trained for that. Also its somewhat instinctual as guns are LOUD
They find the space-truck: "Mr Kim... Fire."
Someone get these guys the Star Trek chronology
This episode was a D+/C- for me. Very boring. The last 10 mins saved this episode
This is where Voyager really picked up momentum for me. Season 1 was what I call the "Carrot on a stick" season. Most episodes involved hope to get home, complication occurs, Resources lost in the attempt, repeat. This episode was highly advertised to feature Sharon Lawrence (Who was popular at the time) and her role was front and center in the ads. I was braced for another "Abraham Lincoln" moment, but found that despite a few corny scenes starring David Graf from "Police Academy" (R.I.P.) this was surprisingly well pieced together. If I had a complaint, it would be the missed opportunities of showing us reactions to past people to this magic technology, and what the human settlements actually looked like instead of telling us through Captain Janeway's monologue.
Class Description Class D An uninhabitable planetoid, moon, or small planet with little to no atmosphere. Some were viable candidates for terraforming. Class G An uninhabitable planet, probably with high amounts of volcanic activity. Class H Generally uninhabitable for Humans, though viable for Sheliak. Class J A type of gas giant. Class K Adaptable for Humans by use of artificial biospheres. Class L Marginally habitable, with vegetation but usually no animal life. Class M (Minshara) Earth-like, with atmospheres containing oxygen and, typically, nucleogenic particles. Largely habitable for humanoid life forms. Class N Potentially habitable in the upper atmosphere should the atmospheric composition be Class M-like, but lethal conditions on the surface. Class O Class P Breathable atmosphere and animal life, but vapor oceans with storms generating antimatter and deuterium gas. Class R Class T A type of gas giant. Class Y ("Demon") A world with a toxic atmosphere and surface temperatures exceeding 500 Kelvin. Prone to thermionic radiation discharges.
Woah is this all canon? I don't remember half of these. lol. Def a useful list!
Coffee....
I liked Chakotay being a counsel to Janeway. I feel like those two haven't had a lot of interaction with each other for a Captain and First Officer. If this would have been the S1 finale, while all the cast members got a scene, it didn't really feature the whole cast, having prominent focus on the guest stars. Knowing what episodes were held over, this one was the strongest to premiere S2.
Man I did not want to shit too hard on this episode in the takes, but good golly THIS is the Voyager I remember
I'd love a murderbot reaction, but I know you guys are more focused on this. Murderbot is an amazingly underrated show!
Another thing to remember is that there were TV trailers "spoiling" the episode to set audience anticipation for answers.
Also just because she ended up missing doesn't make her a hero. Imo she failed. So why is she important? lol
Because of everything she accomplished before she disappeared? In the attempt to accomplish even more? She died in 1937. Women were barely allowed to wear pants back then, and she was flying flimsy airplanes across oceans. I don't know about you, but she got a lot more done than I have.
It was meant to be the season finale. I would have liked to see those cities. Wasn't Baxter the Maquis who insulted the Doctor?
they make a big deal out of Earhart seeing the ship and then we don't get to see her reaction
She gets a ship is fast I'd like to fly it scene with Paris
the guest actors in this are past tense level or worse so we'll see what they think
Coffee. I remember this one as “the one where they wasted Sharon Lawrence.” Strong last 10 minutes for those still paying attention with whatever that was in the first 40.
In regards to the cut of the collar on the uniforms: there is a bts reason for the different lengths of the v. It's not an indication of the different divisions within starfleet, but a subtle hint as to each character's personality, whether they are uptight (above the black), or relaxed (below the black).
Coffee. I remember I was getting bored of Voyager but I watched this episode just because they were going to land the ship on a planet (it was in the previews). And Janeway isn't the first woman Captain. There was a woman Captain of the Enterprise C from "Yesterday's Enterprise", and others before Janeway.
Coffee Imagine there was some crewmember who wanted to leave but fell asleep and missed the deadline
Coffee. To answer your question about the Differences between L and m. M is suitable for Humanoid life (like Earth) while L while can sustain Humanoid life but they have higher Carbon dioxide and while they have vegetation, they tend to be but not always devoid of fauna.
Mulgew's facial muscle acting as she looks at the empty the cargo bay, holding back the emotion of the realisation that the crew have decided to stick with her, is Oscar worthy. Such an incredible talent.
And a lifeline of hope (?) for Josh: the most recent disappearance in the Bermuda Triangle was a ship with a crew of 20 in the ancient past of December 2020 (with the previous most recent incident being a vanishing plane in 2017). It doesn't happen often or regularly, but stuff does still happen. Mystery persists.
I think I'm one of the few people who like this episode. No, it's not high art, but I enjoy it. I'll really miss the whiteboards!
Coffee. Love that you waiting 30
I laughed more than I should have when they handed rice to the Japanese soldier
This was okay, just not very interesting. The writing is kind of limp and watered down when you compare it to the story writers came up with when TOS thawed out cryo sleeping people. This one is a 6.5 or so out of 10, and they needed to show some wondrous society to sell why people would want to stay.
Psst. J. Edgar Hoover was head of the FBI, not the President. Yes, the truck is supposed to belong to the featured Black farmer. And, while we all would have liked to see the cities, landing the ship was quite expensive -- those struts had articulated toe-grips. Now. Here's a Coffee as a peace offering while I point out that it's unfair to be annoyed with us for bringing up the SAG rules about how credits appear on screen and yet expect us to not be annoyed when one of the only "flaws" you focus on in the episode is that you refuse to accept the reality of the SAG rules for the 50th time. We know you don't like it. We know that by now you know that if they didn't follow SAG rules, professional actors couldn't appear on their show. Does it really merit a mention every single time? Second cup? ☕️
Coffee... white board death... and silence... intense silence. Our boys... ... ARE BACK. SEASON TWO VOYAGER! is here.... (but Alex this was the last filmed episode of Season One so... you ... Were... RIGHT! A NON CONTINUATION FINALE!)🖖
Its a C. Could be worse. I'll remember the white boards fondly, since we've apparently tossed them out the window somewhere in the Delta Quadrant like a crumped Doritos bag.
One day they'll follow a trail of peeled off ink and find them tumbling in space
I get the argument that smart phones being everywhere has taken a serious blow to legends like Bigfoot or whatever, but are you sure it's the same case for stuff seen in the skies, or reports of abductions? I'm pretty rusty on that stuff, but I thought at least a decade ago the 'alien stuff' / UFO sightings were continuing to happen? Also, anyone have any knowledge of what's been claimed in the past, say, five years with regards to those weird animal mutilations?
"I get the argument that smart phones being everywhere has taken a serious blow to legends like Bigfoot or whatever, but are you sure it's the same case for stuff seen in the skies, or reports of abductions? "..........Everyone has a 4k video camera in their pocket and yet all we get is crappy bag grainy ufo videos....
I remember when I saw this on TV as a kid literally facepalming when Paris started up that pickup. It was just insultingly absurd. Even to a child. Either the writers are idiots, or they think their audience are idiots. Either way...this is written at the level of an idiot, and it was apparent right from the hook.
I mean there is an actual car floating around the solar system right now...
Don't forget about Assignment Earth.
Coffee, also this episode feels like it would have been a much better 'finale' to Season 1 IMO
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The fish out of water aspect was fun. Overall C episode.
Janeway basically saves this episode. I found it ridiculous, but the Janeway story in the last 15 minutes is really good. SO.. another C grade thanks to Janeway saving the episode. :-)
I don't usually make a big deal about scientific inaccuracies, science fantasy or bad plot holes but this episode had too many ridiculous elements. So the aliens flew the truck all the way to the Delta Quadrant but then just decided to leave it in space floating and after 400 years deep frozen, the gasoline, oil and battery instantly worked? Manure traces and plant remains sticking to the truck would be long gone. Her plane looked in great condition after sitting there for 400 years. They abducted hundreds for slavery yet froze small groups for no imaginable reason. Total filler disappointing episode. The humans abducted to another planet as slaves who then revolted idea was taken from the Stargate movie that came out earlier on Oct 28, 1994.
Even though I can’t recommend this episode I would counter by saying Voyager finding the truck was far and away the best part and I’m not cutting that from the episode
Wow ok. That was an even duller episode than I remembered.
I hate planets you can't teleport to but have clear blue sky's. You gotta do the dark blue lighting clouds planet if you want to nerf teleporters
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…..and I took that 30 seconds personally
Talking about inbreeding (how's that for a comment opener?), the smallest the human population has ever gotten is between 1,000 and 10,000 people, around 74,000 years ago due to the Toba volcanic catastrophe. There may have been other surviving humans at the time, but all humans today are derived from those 1,000-10,000 people.
Space medicine
To quote your least favourite sit com (Red Dwarf) I hope they don't need to step up from blue alert to red alert, that would mean changing the bulb ;) I think this is a good start to season two (forgetting the reasons as to why it is) and has some heart-warming moments. The last ten minutes are really good, especially with Janeway reflecting on whether Star Fleet regulations actually have as much impact on her decision making this far from home. Good to see you enjoyed the episode too. Some nice cameos. David 'Tackleberry' Graf is always fun to see in any show from this era. (Coffee and you waited approximately 22 seconds, but I'll let you off) R.I.P. Whiteboards Additional: in relation to the do you think aliens exist question and your thoughts on this. I've watched people like Neil De Grasse Tyson and Prof Brian Cox discuss this and the one thought they've had that makes me feel uneasy is that we could be the first or last civilisation (given the age of the universe). Just food for thought. The dark forest hypothesis is also an unnerving premise.
The biggest barrier is FTL travel and FTL communication. Both believed to be impossible by the laws of physics. Both believed to break causality.
Regarding aliens on earth pre Star Trek time: i'm sure there are more examples but i had to think of Isis, the "cat"/woman shapeshifter who was with Gary Seven in TOS Assignment: Earth. Ah and iirc Gary Seven also was an descendant of humans who were abducted by aliens.
I couldn't stand this episode. No idea who Amelia Earhart was so the episode does nothing for me, and I can't get invested in this at all and it's significance is lost on me. I don't feel I can judge this episode fairly. I will rank it as a W. For 'Whatever'
I have heard some folks say that this would have actually been a better season finale for season 1. if for nothing else, for the ending that shows everyone on the crew is on board with the journey and sticking with Janeway.
It's hilarious that the 37s are so doubtful of the Voyager crew's authenticity but don't question at all the fact that they provably have universal translators that are allowing all of them to communicate with one another.
still going to be a LOT easier for them to believe that maybe the CIA or whoever has some secret spy tech like that, rather than believing they are 400 years in the future, aliens exist and they are in outer space on an alien planet...
Coffee! So a few things: This was in fact meant to be the S1 finale, with the cargo bay shot sort of reinforcing the "we're all in this together" which would have made for a nice ending. Fred Noonan, is actually a real person, he was the navigator who disappeared with Earhart, and his portrayal is someone accurate to his actual persona and he was a known heavy drinker and had a reputation as being a bit "crusty". There was a debate in the writers room whether this episode should have been a 2-parter, with only Braga advocating for it...the general consensus being not to do a 2-parter as a finale (when this was intended to the finale). I would say the second half of the episode is much stronger, but overall it gets a B for me -- solid premier which tugs at the heart-strings
"A planet of Maters from PIXAR's Cars" -> added to the list of TA premises better than the actual episode.
"Evolution" would have been a lot better with a stronger focus on its illustrious guest of the week. Could have been an all-time banger with a few scenes of mental ancient Earth baseball simulations.
Also, I drink my coffee black. Like Janeway.
This episode does absolutely nothing for me. Was bored and let down by it the first time it aired. Nothing much has changed since then. Just a 'D for Dull' episode. The end bits were the only highlight, but not nearly enough to salvage the long tedium beforehand.
Filler episode for me, we've seen this kind of thing on Trek before and it's lame re-cycled ideas IMO.
Typical Tackleberry from the Police Academy films, grabbing the gun😂 i rate this a B.
Facial expressions of the thumbnail perfectly capture my excitement level for this episode. But watching anyway since slow day at work Also, coffee
I'm feeling a bit... coughy this morning. Glad i have this hot caffeinated beverage to relax my throat.
i waited 30 seconds for my coffee guys!
As much as I enjoy Voyager, and this episode specifically, this is another prime example of what could have been a nice multi-episode arc for the series, but the entire dilemma gets wrapped up in 10 minutes at the end.
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the whiteboards were my favorite thing :(
I have followed many theories about Amelia Earhart's disappearance. The most recent, probable one was based on remains on a tiny island. If i remember correctly, they said when she disappeared, people claimed that they could hear her distress signals... but because of WHERE those people claimed the signals were from, those reports were ignored... Fast forward to the female remains found on the island... the reports of signals in that area make sense. The reported signals were only being broadcast at certain times ... here is the creepy and sad part... the broadcasts coincided with times of low tide. Earhart could only broadcast during low tide. And eventually either the battery died or she had, because it didn't last long. That's the most recent plausible theory I've seen on YouTube. She went off course, crashed beside an island, and died because signal reports were ignored.
I find this episode to be pretty atrocious and nonsensical. It's a good example of the bad Voyager episodes I associate with the early seasons.
Wouldn’t it be really inconsiderate to all non-humans if too many had opted to stay? Like Tuvok gets stuck in a society of humans on an earth-like planet so that the human crew gets to feel at home? What about the bolian?
Should have poured some coffee into the drunk dude, sober him up a bit
Forgot to add, I think it would be hilarious if 60 or 70 people wanted to stay, but by some freakishly bad timing, they all arrived at the cargo bay a few minutes apart, saw nobody was there, and chickened out then walked past the next person on their way there thinking they're just going about their duties. Then like a year later someone randomly brings it up that they were going to leave and saw nobody else was there so they backed out, then they go check the security camera logs and see one person after another show up, look around, and leave and realize half the crew wanted to stay, but now it's a year in the wrong direction, and they're all kicking themselves for letting the opportunity slip away.
The species in Interstellar are actually humans from the future, where they have evolved to be able to manipulate higher dimensional space.
I just realized in your discussion that the truck is a bit of a plot hole. 400 year old gas and a battery that can hold a charge that long and getting it to run? I originally put it off as oh time travel is involved but then you find out no they've been on the planet for generations, also coffee.
In Star Trek: Generations the Enterprise D saucer section "landed" on that planet.
It certainly “landed”
Class M planets like Earth have an oxygen/nitrogen atmosphere. Class L planets have mostly oxygen/argon atmosphere but are habitable.
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Back in the day, it was no surprise that Earheart was in the show. It was in all the promotional material for the episode. They used to use those kinds of guest characters as promotion to get eyes on the show.
I love to imagine one or two crewmembers showed up to the empty cargo bay, felt awkward, and left.
Very likely
As Dyatlov would say, not great, not terrible. Also coffee(or Monster energy). Had this been the S1 finale as is, it would have been an interesting parallel to The Neutral Zone with finding and reviving frozen 20th century people. If it had been the originally intended 2 parter, it would have no doubt lost points for ending the season with a "to be continued". I suppose most of this ep would have been part 1, and part 2 would have had them visit the cities. Realistically mid sized towns with about 30k people in each, and that's assuming there aren't smaller towns and villages eating up some of that 100k population. Would have been nice to at least see a matte painting they can walk toward or something. We've actually seen both Baxter and Jarvin before. Jarvin was the younger guy in Parallax who was with Seska when they told Chakotay they would back him up if the Maquis mutinied. Baxter was the guy in Eye of the Needle that was being a dick to the Doctor. Regarding the ending and finding nobody in the cargo bay, it's a great scene thematically. I would agree that even though these people are human and seem to have a nice little society, none of the places or people there are home for the crew. They could have just as easily settled down on Sikaris if they hadn't pissed off the gigolo dude. Eventually Voyager and the people onboard will feel more like home. I suppose if the whole crew stayed they would still have each other, but they have that now. Also they should probably have made the aliens have abducted a few thousand people instead of 300 since it's not really enough genetic diversity to produce a whole population. Little development for Paris learning he's a 20th century buff. Also Janeway spotting the signs it was a farmer's truck seems to point to a rural upbringing on her part. Always laugh at Tuvok's "shots fired!!" reaction to starting the truck. Mars being colonized by 2103 is certainly plausible, and if Elon has his way, it'll happen well before that. Hover cars, or rather flying cars, are already a thing, though they're basically giant quad copter drones with an enclosed cabin for 1, and they're pretty niche. They do technically exist though, so Paris wasn't far off. I'm with Alex though, having Janeway spell out a name when it was clearly visible was pretty bad. Just have her read it "A. Earhart" like it's just a name and not significant, then have the realization hit her. It's better than The Child or Evolution. Solid C tier.
Sadly Amelia Earhart is not super hot like in Night at the Museum 2
Amy Adams makes everything better
Coffee and the break to enjoy the first sip. LOL.
Really laughed hard at 9/11
Didn’t we all?
Voyager sex scoreboard HUGE SCORES this week. Well no unknown, unseen, thumpin’ (We guess) SCOREBOARD Paris – 2 Neelix - 1 Kes – 1 Chakotay 1 GUESTS well not really guests since they didn’t show up Quantum Mech hottie +1 Jarvin +1
Anyone ever told you this is tasteless and unnecessary?
Credits are often based on union rules, pay, and status. "AND SHARON LAWRENCE AS AMELIA EARHART" is considered a higher status credit. They were able to get a more established tv star for the guest role by giving her that credit. Her Agent could have required that credit for her to appear. As I mentioned before, Salome (Sal-O-May) Jens name being moved to the end of HEART OF STONE, resulted in her getting a bump in credit for the episode, as she missed out on the status of being in the opening credits. She was listed as SPECIAL GUEST STAR instead of her usual GUEST STAR. She received higher pay under union rules because of the different title.
and the show runners are well aware of all these issues and are in full control to not bring in people whose agents make such demands? that's the entire point, the show runners are in control. they can choose what or what not to do. they are never forced into anything.
Coffee and lmao actually waiting 30 seconds. Hope the whiteboard comes back (unless that's a bit I'm missing, because no one stayed behind?) Indeed Alex, most important question to ask before staying or not is, what's their IRS like? Or even better, if they have no income tax at all. And right again, it's the Gulf of AMERICA! AMERUICUH, FUCK YEAH! (-_-) I think the alien question is hard to answer because distances are so damn vast that alone could be an explanation for the Fermi Paradox, but then, if they could reach us, their tech would be so Clarke-level that they could easily camouflage themselves sufficiently that we wouldn't know (besides, perhaps, those abductions...) But I'm like Mulder, I want to believe.
It is still the Gulf of Mexico
I was told to comment "Coffee" in order to confirm that people are indeed listening to the intros.
The reveal was ads that went: JANEWAY MEETS AMELIA EARHART ON THE SEASON PREMIERE OF VOYAGER for weeks leading up to the episode airing. That's why they did what they did.
So, I saw several episodes of TOS and TNG and TOS movies as a child, as a young adult I did see Enterprise. But a few years later after a move I was flipping through channels and found Voyager, all I knew for sure is it was Trek. I saw episodes 1, 3, 4, 7, 9, 11, 13, 17, of season 2 maybe a few others before I ordered on DVD and watched them in order. So I love most of season 2. With both Enterprise and Voyager at first I would have pizza when watching so seeing these episodes made me think of pizza
Love having Janeway meet Earhart, it wouldn't have been nearly as impactful with any of ther other captains. Also I always get emosh when she walks into the empty cargo bay at the end. Also coffee.
In my head canon, when Janeway and Chakotay opened the cargo bay doors and saw no one, the rest of the crew was in cargo bay 3, wondering amongst themselves where the captain is, eagerly waiting to settle on the surface Also, having the main crew being taken hostage by Tackleberry is hysterical!
Tea, Earl Grey, hot.
Guess I'll spend a little time here in the DS9 waiting room.
Coffee
Okay, watched the reaction, and I agree with you -- my problem is that the last ten minutes are so much better than the rest of the episode. They introduce this fantastic ethical dilemma that could have been an episode in itself, and then they have almost no time to deal with it. Before that isn't bad, but we spend way too much time with Doofus or whatever Earhart's copilot was named (I don't care enough about him to look it up), and then we get egregious telling-not-showing with the alien cities. Great ideas but the balance was all off. But, you know, it was awesome to see sky out of the conference-room windows. And your J. Edgar Hoover holodeck suggestion made me think of what's-his-name on Family Guy who explains the joke. "Ohhhhh, you said it was J. Edgar Hoover but it was just a collection of photons! It's very funny!"
Raktajino. What was the 30-second pause for? Just to confuse those who skipped ahead? (Next time, include a bogus time counter there and you’ll really confuse the skippers.)
Raktagino! 😄. I wish I’d thought of that
I’m actually on board with Alex on this one. Which is rare. This episode is fine. I love the concept but execution was so so. The biggest misstep was that the 37s had no distrust with one another ever. The racial/national tensions should have been extreme, at least at first. They are from 1937. There is also no way they leave without letting Earhart see space at least once. That would be a nice scene.
I wished they took her for a spin in the starship too....but since they could not do shuttles or transporters....and landing the ship was a bit of rough ride thing with minor damager etc...its easy to accept that it wasn't a wise option
To me, this episode is a callback to TOS and early TNG episodes. Seemed like by-the-numbers classic Trek. I rate it a C.
Something, blah, blah, blah, something. Coffee (with lots of sugar and cream, if I must). Love the smell, but not a fan of the bitter taste.
*cough* eeeeeee!
When I saw that red truck I went 🎶 Hoa Hoa Ho. 🎶
Staying on a random second earth can seem appealing, but they’re all strangers not your friends or family or your actual home. What’s a space explorer supposed to do there? You’d think some Starfleet would have that pioneering spirit. But a 75 year journey could be a bit of a pioneering journey of its own. In 75 years you could be reaching earth with the grandchildren you never thought you’d have.
Hover cars would have been by the 2030s or so (according to Tom); 2103 was the first colony on Mars (according to Harry)
After real life timeline events pass star trek events I just move them forward. So eugenics wars aren't 90s they are in 2050, ww3 gets pushed back hover cars too. Head Canon timeline!
was there really coffee in that nebula? also that pause was egregious! :D :D
I give you guys grief over your complaints about the credits all the time, but in this case I 100% agree that the "as Amelia Earhart" credit was stupid. Not that it's some huge reveal when we meet her, but the credit ruins any suspense or surprise it might have had. As for earlier times aliens have visited Earth in Star Trek, there's also Apollo and the other "gods" from "Who Mourns for Adonais?" Also, coffee.
Given that Sharon Lawrence was a pretty big deal in the mid 90s as she was a leading character on "NYPD Blue", just putting her name in the credits would have been more than enough. The role she was playing was an unnecessary and forced spoiler
I like your thoughts on the crew's sticking together being based on the teamwork of the military element of Starfleet. I believe that was the way Gene Roddenberry always meant for it to feel. Not a cold military, but a close-knit team of humans who have conquered infighting (on a global scale), famine, etc. It shows the togetherness of humanity. And since he WAS in the military, it makes sense that he would draw on that experience to imagine a future. Not militaristic, but togetherness. It's also interesting that his optimistic vision of humanity's future puts the military not out of work but in the service of itself rather than in war with eachother (or others). Also, your comments about the "producer syndrome" where they have to spell everything out for the broadest audience reminds me of how much I hate that some video games also spell everything out and have giant shining/glowing markers telling you exactly where to go and what to do. I know you can turn tool tips off in some games. But for others it's built right into the design. Hate that so much. I like getting stuck in video games. Anywany, just reminded me of that lol.
On first watch I didn't know who Amelia Earheart was altough I studied history. But I guess this is a quite American mystery which never got to Europe in an impactful way. There is also no classic Hollywood movie about her like "The Spirit of St. Louis" with Jimmy Stewart playing Charles Lindbergh..
So this is one of the episodes that was held back from season 1; and it was originally intended to be the season 1 finale. As originally written it was a 2 parter that would serve as season 1 finale and season 2 premiere; but after the decision to shorten season 1, it was reworked into a single episode
Fun fact: in one of the star trek TNG novels (not a spoiler since these are not cannon) The rich businessman asshole from The Neutral Zone had at some point after that episode become the Federation Ambassador to the Ferengi. A fitting fate for him I think.
What is the difference between a class L and M? If I were to take a guess, Class L has an oxygen argon atmosphere. Class M would be oxygen nitrogen.
Ah yes, of course
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The showrunners of Heroes: "Wait, the show is supposed to get *better* over time?..." And I watched the entire intro and even observed the 30 seconds of silence. Very calming. Good mental break. Coffee.
I'll never be able to see David Graf as anyone but Tackleberry from Police Academy.
Worried Fox Mulder was in one of those Cryopods and starts dumping spoilers for upcoming X Files episodes.
Holy crap, just checked and mods must have went to town deleting the takes on this one. Was wondering why any takes related to this being potentially part of last season (and where it fits into it, if at all) weren't read and they were all deleted. None of the ones I saw were spoilers. Lame.
Interestingly this isn't listed as the first episode of season 2 on Paramount Plus it's episode 4. Edit: Also, Coffee.
It's listed in production order on Paramount Plus
RIP to whiteboard reactions. We’ll have to settle for white boy reactions only from now on.
Or send a couple of blackboards to their PO Box?
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In previous Treks, there was always the idea that the saucer section could land (in TOS, it was in the writer's guide, but the budget would never allow it). In the movies, hatches were added to the saucer to imply "landing struts," but they never used the idea. In TNG, the saucer was designed to land on a planet in an emergency, and they actually used the idea in Generations, in crash landing sequence, but I guess the landing gear was offline!
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I’m 100 percent with Josh on aliens on Earth due to the vast distances and the fact that smartphones being so ubiquitous for 20 years and no real evidence being recorded in that time pretty much debunks everything. (You can add ghosts, exorcisms to that as well, IMO). And, unfortunately, with deepfakes and A.I., I don’t think we’ll be able to believe any “proof” of anything like that going forward.
We could be first. 13 billion year old universe. 5 billion year old earth. This is like the January of the year of the universe. Maybe when the universe is 100 billion years old it's all full of life zooming around but right now it's humans and a bunch of alien microbes and small alien frogs hopping on mud
Clear memory of getting the VHS of this around Christmas/new year of 1995/1996 it’s a flawed episode but the final scene with Chakotay and Janeway going to the cargo bay is great.
Just so everyone knows, elfin ears can happen in humans, so them not believing Kes is alien at first is reasonable, it is rare but can happen.
Oh shit i just realized Vulcans are elves and Klingons are Orcs. Dammit
I forgot about blue alert
Just wait for the next colour alert in Star Trek.........
im irrationally annoyed that none of them know morse code and had to look it up in the computer
I actually don't mind that. The fact is Morse code was being phased out throughout the 70s/80s/90s, and by the time this episode aired was a relic on it's last legs. The only reason an SOS signal is so recognizable to us is first it's simplicity, but also it's prevalence in the media we grew up on. It was still being used or was in recent history for Millennials and earlier. Gen Z and later will find it less and less recognizable as it fades into history. Fast forward a few centuries and it's no wonder nobody recognizes it at all. Given Paris clearly has a fascination with the 20th century, I guess maybe he could have recognized it, but I wouldn't expect anyone else to.
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Got my morning coffee, happy to listen to you guys ramble about Star Trek before watching Star Trek.
Human population in delta quadrant going up
I wonder how many abducted Bolians are in the Gamma quadrant
Its good. My first Voyager episode