UNCUT - Explorers (DS9 S3E22) | Star Trek Journey 362
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where are people getting the idea that ds9 is based on characters? it's literally all about big huge politics and big huge ship battles.
Yeah, also on the fence between A and S. Th drunk Scene is so wholesome, i lov... ah don't hate it.
There was one actual Andoran in "journey to Babel". He was older than the undercover agent.
Ok, not a camping trip, but how about a sailboat trip?
More than once I have noticed Alex mention that people should cough into their elbows. Back in the 90s, the recommended thing to do from medical professionals was to cough into your hands. Only in 2003, in response to the SARS epidemic, was the medical recommendation updated. At the time, all these people coughing into their hands were thinking they were doing the right thing by not coughing directly into the open air.
Great relief you loved it like me.
This was always one of my favorite DS9 episodes. I love the bonding between Jake and Sisko the most, but the whole episode is just superior stuff. The Cardassian bit at the end was perfect.
DS9 being different is what makes it the best Trek
Scotty did a great drunk scene in Bu Any Other Name
I liked this episode more than I remember. I'm trying not to let the opinions of a pair random nobodies influence me, but yeah, definitely more cozy and less do-nothing than I had recalled. Points all well taken, however, when I think of DS9 and cozy this episode doesn't even make my top ten.
This episode contained so many heartfelt clip able moments, you could make so many shorts. Once you are in love with the show and the characters you can watch them do anything and it is still entertaining. it's an S from me.
It's a very old joke that there aren't any toilets on Federation ships - you just have to go where no man has gone before.
Imagine not simply transporting the waste straight out of your intestines. My head-canon is that Jake was mortified over the thought of actually having to push it out himself and then.. clean? How do you clean down there? And won't there be a smell? Where the hell is the door even?
This episode is comfort food.
Alex, I totally agree, the drunk O'Brien/Bashir scenes is one of the best in Trek. I always have to rewind it and watch it again :) Regarding Avery's new look, so my understanding is they were trying to get the network to allow him to wear his hair (or lack there of) and goat) from the beginning. Avery had mentioned it's how he felt the most comfortable and I think it shows in his acting when he finally was able to look the way he wanted to. I always felt like something new about Sisko came to life from this point forward.
I wish the Cherry Dr. Pepper Zero had a better flavor. Jadzia didn't get much here, but every scene she was in was delightful. I commented for the last episode Alex would enjoy this one. I'm glad you both did. I'm even more curious about the next.
I'm sure other people have brought up that Sisko's posting prior to DS9 was at the Utopia Planetia Shipyards on Mars. This also not the first inkling we've had of his builder inclinations. He helped design the Defiant as an anti-Borg ship at the Shipyards, and there is the clock he built from scratch in Season 1's "Dramatis Personae" that's still on display in his office. Current Space Tech Tie-In: The Integrity, the crew module for the Artemis II mission that launched on Wednesday has a solar array that they've deployed for power conservation on their 10-day trip around the moon.
I knew they wouldn't understand my Kon Tiki reference. It's a bit of an obscure reference these days.
If you have the chance meeting actor Christopher Heyerdahl talk to him about his fathers cousin Thor. He loves that. ;-) #KonTiki
We see an Andorian in Star Trek 4 as well and also in TNG Captain's Holiday briefly. Nice episode, figured you guys would like this one haha. Hadn't really thought about it before but I think as you say "Family" is a good comparison. Also as for how did it leave planet I assumed like our space capsules it launches into orbit and then ditches the rocket stage proceeding with the capsule.
Either that or it was built in orbit.
Just google an image of Avery Brooks playing Hawk on Spenser For Hire and you'll understand why he wanted to have that same look on this show.
I love this one. My second favorite of the season (my actual favorite is yet to come and I'm super curious to see if that one hits you the same). The drunk scene is perfection. It seems to be really hard for most actors to be believably drunk AND be believably still their character. Both of them absolutely nail it.
Regarding Sisko as a Builder, something I think might've been glossed over for you guys is that after Sisko's wife died and in the three years before getting assigned to DS9, Sisko was in charge of the Starfleet shipyards of Mars. Where he designed and built the Defiant to kick Borg butt. To the point he gave it so much power it nearly blew itself up. Because the Borg killed his wife. Man was so pissed he built a ship that nearly blew itself up just so it could kill Borg. Anyways, Sisko's got some experience building ships. As to Alex's questions about resources, he mentioned installing a Gravity Net because weightlessness makes him queasy, and that he was getting shipments from Bajor. And I'm sure Bajor was quite happy to send him stuff since he's a religious figure for them - likely why Kira was okay stepping back and not participating in all of this.
DS9 though hadn't really made that clear. We get one single line of dialogue in Emmissary and then it is The Search before any follow up at all regarding engineer Sisko. The show does fail to properly state a number of things, including zero statements from Odo as to WHY he is in love with Kira (apologies for dragging my own bugbear into this).
Great episode, reaction and discussion. Stop worrying, stop worrying, stop worrying. Also, just to reference a couple things. Sisko has a direct background in starship design and it's not just a hobby. He's more technical than Kirk, Picard or Janeway when it comes to actual starship engineering. Picard and Janeway are more scientific types. The Borg killed Ben Sisko's wife at Wolf 359. He then spent the next 3 years working at the Utopia Panitia shipyard on Mars in order to build better starships to combat the Borg. He helped design the Defiant prototype. He's no amatuer when it comes to that stuff. They mention all of these things in the show, but all those little things can get missed.
Have always really enjoyed this episode. Cozy, character-driven, optimistic, good-hearted. So much to like. Solid A.
You guys actual are the 2nd result under wikipedia (the generic term) for "target audience", at least for my google. So you guys are doing pretty well I think.
I love the last scene with Bashir and Lense. You got to see how little they really understood each other because as it turns out they never really had a conversation with each other back then. And their rivalry was practically from a far. Then for Lense to first confirm Bashir's fears about his assignment but immediately show interest in his work was so refreshing. Plus, it was so hilarious to see how everyone is all up in Bashir's business. I mean he was pestered by Dax, Quark, O'Brien, and even Odo. DS9 is a small community
Leetas actress first did the casting for jakes first girlfriend Mardah, but she did not get the role because she was "to old" and they took the 19 year old girl (that you guys thought was 30 and way to old for jake xD) but tehy liked her so much they later offered her this role
One of my favorite episodes in all of Trek.
Sisko upgrade now 50% complete - bring on that razor! P.S As someone else with a 'father issue' episodes like this and some notable others that visit definitely seem to hit me harder than nearly any other emotional episode.
Re: Sisko the builder reference. Sisko it was mentioned earlier in the series that he worked at the Utopia Plenetia shipyards on earth, and that he was also part of the team who designed the Defiant.
It's funny when Josh and Alex joked about Ira giving Sisko his goatee. In my mind, i was picturing Sisko slowly turning into ISB over the next 4 seasons, until in season 7, it's literally Ira playing Ben Sisko with no explanation.
I can’t stop laughing at this
Apparently Avery Brooks preferred a bald/goatee look but the producers didn't want him to have that apparently? So when Ira had the power he gave him what he wanted. That's the story I heard anyway.
That's basically it. They go into it in the "What We Left Behind" documentary.
I adored this episode on my first watch. All that father son talk I though was so brilliantly written, really hit me in the feels. Even Dukat seems relatively amiable (for his standards), acknowledging the achievement in the end, sure he was probably just covering his ass, but still, it kinda even gave me hope, that the Cardassians could become friends with Starfleet eventually. I loved this episode so much on first view, it was the very first episode ever I gave an S+ to, and 1st place in my season top10. Excited to see how the rewatch goes, and if it works even slightly as well for you as it did for me. Wish I could have written this in the Patron Takes, but I keep seeing them too late for some reason :D.
Sisko is the emissary of the Bajorans whether he likes it or not and in the back of his mind I think he respects it, so it makes perfect sense. Also the first toilet was probably in the brig in Star Trek V
It's been a while since I've been to a convention, but the twice i met Terry Farrell she was just the same as you described.
The drunk scene is my favourite moment in this. I really like the episode, a solid B from me, but i suspected it might get S from you.
Guys, Behr was showrunner on DS9 since about the middle of season 2. Piller was already involved in pre-production on Voyager. Piller wanted a further year before a 3rd show, but Paramount insisted on the schedule. Behr is only now formally acknowledged as show runner. (Auto-correct is a complete pain in the ass. I had to keep over-riding it in this comment).
You will notice a clear change in focus and style from the last 3rd of season 2. DS9 moved away from being quasi-TNG.
Avery first rocked the look in The tv show spenser for Hire as Hawk. But it definitely changed his personality
Wouldn't it have been much easier for Dukot to just have the 3 Cardassian cruisers open fire on Sisko's retro Bajoran spaceship? Even with the peace treaty now in place?
I don't think so, plenty of people on DS9 knew of the trip. An investigation could easily prove Cardassian malfeasance, and that'd be a very quick catalyst for war.
Ah yes, Explorers! First appearance of Sisko's beard.
This isn't even his final form!
I think "cozy" is just the right word to describe this episode. Always enjoyed this one. Solid A tier episode. As others have said, the Bajorans either launched the ship on top of a fairly large rocket, or assembled it in orbit. Solar sails are a real thing, and some probes have used them, though to propel a ship that size at a meaningful velocity, those sails would need to be absolutely gigantic. I also don't really buy the ship being accelerated into warp by tachyons or whatever. Either they have too little mass and don't affect it, they rip the sails off, or they atomize the entire ship with the sudden acceleration. All that said, this is a very minor nitpick that really doesn't affect the episode for me. Regarding the B plot, while the drinking scene and O'Brien's "not hate you anymore" bit is the best part of that story, I also appreciate the continued theme of Julian learning to accept himself. He outright dismissed the idea of winning the Carrington award, and by the end of the episode developed enough respect for his own work to hope that he could actually win. In Distant Voices he was miserable about turning 30, and by the end he's fine with it. Here we see him questioning what everyone thinks of him. He acts like the mistake that cost him 1st place is some horrible mark against him that everyone judges him for, when in fact only 1 student in his class barely edged him out of 1st place, and she still has a ton of respect for him. He worries about whether the Chief respects him, but as awkward as he was about it, Miles just finished getting drunk and singing songs with Julian, so he must think he's alright. And finally he worries that his choice to take the posting on DS9 was a mistake, and now comes to find out the post on the Lexington would have been a boring choice. And to top it all off, bro has dabo girls throwing themselves at him to the point he's willing to tell Jadzia to piss off. Dude just needs to accept it. Life is good. Dukat actually has a good showing here IMO. It's easy to think he has some nefarious motive of covering up ancient Bajoran achievements, and certainly the Cardassian govt only admitted to the truth after Sisko proved it was possible. Still, I do think Dukat genuinely respects and relates to Sisko. Not only because they both serve in their respective militaries and have worked together(The Maquis, Defiant), but also because both are fathers. I think Dukat genuinely was concerned that Sisko would get himself killed flying around in that flimsy Bajoran contraption. I also like to think the fireworks were a personal touch on his part. The govt already issued a statement about the crash site. The secret is out. I honestly think he was just proud of Sisko for pulling off the trip. And of course at the heart of the episode is a story of a father and son going sailing. I still don't think a season finale is the place for something like that, but I certainly understand the appeal of such a story. Certainly, a decidedly positive father/son relationship is a big selling point of DS9 to me. Also, Jake isn't going to be a kid forever. In a year and a half or so he'll be 18, and he's starting to chart a path into adulthood. If he really wants to be a writer, choosing to spend another year on DS9 to experience life on the frontier is a wise decision. However if he ends up leaving to go to school on Earth, there's won't be many more opportunities to spend time with his dad like this. At least he and Nog will be on the same planet. And yeah, Sisko is definitely better with the beard. I don't mean he looks better, he IS a better character post beard. It felt like Avery was able to relax into the role after they let him switch to his desired look. Excellent episode. Low stakes, life happens, everyone's better for it in the end. What's not to love?
As for who developed warp first, of the races we know it was likely the Vulcans/romulans. Romulans split off 2000 years prior to this. Romulus isn't crazy far from Vulcan iirc, but still dozens of light years. Making that trip at sunlight would be pretty implausible. They'd probably still be traveling. It's possible the dominion developed warp around this time as well. We know they've been around a while. Humans have had warp for 300 years, making them relative newcomers. The cardassians nor bajorans had it 800 years ago, and I doubt any solar sailers made a round trip. Who knows how long the borg have been around. The Delta Quadrant seems more backwards in general, with a couple exceptions. So Vulcans and maybe Dominion, unless you want to start digging into TOS factions like the first federation or preservers, or the aliens from The Chase, or the Tkon or Iconians, in which case its way longer than 2000 years.
Damn had to slip in Meridian when mentioning the writer.😂
I think this a a good episode, all the pairing in this one are great. We see growth in how they are now interacting with each other. Really good.
Finally decided to pull the trigger and upgrade my membership lol. This was probably a long time coming. I just really like this episode, and I love what you gentlemen do. Cheers
Appreciated!
Hey Josh, wanted you to know that on the Calendar where you have the Star Trek Journey and your uncut reactions library, you forgot to add Voyager.
Thank you, I’ll get it added soon
2:59 Season four in TNG was the Best of Both Worlds, where they really started to explore the character's pasts and relationships and got more comfortable telling stories about the characters. I think the same is true of DS9. They also allowed the cast to let their hair down a little....no pun intended in Sisko's case.
Jake is such a good kid.
You have it backwards: Sisko looks weird without the beard I think the Chris Carter anology works
The 1701-D bridge had a bathroom with a door opposite the observation lounge. You rarely saw extras going in and out.
And no wonder: Can you imagine wrecking that bathroom and then having to come back out and face everyone on the bridge?
This genuinely might be my favorite episode of DS9; which is honestly saying a lot considering how good the show continues to be overall. I just really like the plot, the story, the character acting, the way they mix sci-fi and wooden sailboat tropes.... Overall a 10/10 ep.
So this isn't a comment about this episode specifically, it's about the dynamics this season exist under, because I don't think people are connecting all the dots here. In another thread, someone asked why Starfleet doesn't just destroy the wormhole. They're thinking about it, but by the Federation's definition that would be an act of Genocide because of the Prophets. Remember they value "strange new life" equal to humanoid life. It's a big deal the Dominion knows Sisko WOULD do it. It creates the possibility that the Dominion after that didn't invade not because they are just responding, but because they realize that Starfleet would collapse the wormhole. To the Founders, this just proves STarfleet's calues about other lifr are false as they are willing ti kill the prohets to protect themselves from the Dominion. And the Founders probably value Prophets type life above "solids." This is actually an important plot point people miss. Since the Search Part 2, We've had a plausible reason why the Dominion might intend to invade but not do it, because they realize starfleet would destroy the wormhole before enough ships got through. So it creates the question- Will they leave us alone if we leave them alone, or are they just figuring out a way to ensure they CAN invade without the wormhole closing? That adds this tension to everything, because Sisko wants to prevent a war. but he realises the invasion may still be inevitable, just delayed. As in, from after "The Jem'Hadar" where rhey were ready for an invasion. "The Search 2" manaages to drag that uncertainity out. Starfleet has one trump card, a last resort. The Dominion MAY just be waiting to figure out how to remove that trump card.
Alex said they were "OP" in the introduction, but everything serves to build up how their "OP" in everyway. They have genetically engineered supersoldiers. They are shapeshifters who gave them a brutal warning, then when they refused, instead of just invading, captured and simulated a response to an invasion. They saw they would close the wormhole. So, they infiltrate, not just the Federation, but other governemtns, to help neutralize threats. They are not just technologically powerful, they outplayed the two evil CIA groups at their own game by encouraging their mission into a trap. It's every level they are "OP" in. It makes you think, in "The Jem'hadar" they knew so much about the alpha quadrabt. So you have to start getting paranoid. Is it possible the order to go into the Gamma Quadrant in The Search, where they already have equipment set up, could be from a Founder? What Else might they be up to?
Kirk the Explorer. Picard the Diplomat. Janeway the Scientist. Sisko the Builder.
He did Build that Bajoran clock
I love this episode. Not just for the Jake/Sisko stuff which is a cool little adventure with great character moments, but the Bashir/O'Brien stuff. The evolution of their friendship is amazing and one of my favourite things about DS9.
Leanne is the girl from, the one Jake went out with Nog Life Support. She kind of looks like "Iisa" from Saved By The Bell. (Edit- Because it's the same actress, Lisa Vorhees. IMO, looks better here.)
That was Marta. We never saw Leanne.
The Vulcans were the first
"strange sisko is into this" Not really. Hes been getting more and more invested in Bajor. He's the Emissary.
Alex mentioned the gravity/ Sisko installed a gravity net, they mention over and over there was no gravity. They had air they had to recycle. This was all mentioned in the dialogue. As far as how it got into space, probably the way we send things into space, attack it to a rocket then detach when it gets into space.
My only qualm is the light ship was a little too low tech. To actually work that thing would have to have some kind of computer considering light sail technology is still futuristic today.
When you guys started DS9, there were a couple of things I was waiting for you to react to - Sisko’s goatee and the O’Brien/Bashir drunk scene. You did not disappoint. Such a wonderful episode. So many more to come. Go Ira!
This episode was great 👍🏿 But ! Next episode is 🔥🔥🔥imo made me love the main characters even more😌
Spoilers. They haven't watched beyond this episode.
It’s not that they mentioned the bathroom in Star Trek before, but in Star Trek five the final frontier. When McCoy Spock and Kirk are in the brig Kirk opens the Briggs toilet and sits on it. It’s a small knot but it’s the actual first confirmation of bathrooms in Star Trek. Although in the Star fleet technical manual 1975 edition bathrooms are accounted for in the enterprise schematics
cant they....you know...transport the waste out of the body. One would think? lol
Ok, now we can say DS9 has really arrived, for the beard has made its entrance!
Something funny happened for today's reaction. In my mind going into this, I knew you'd both absolutely love it, A-S tier guaranteed. It's exactly what you want more of from Trek. For me, on past rewatches, it was always solid. But nothing earth shattering. However, because I both knew you'd love it, I took a ride on your sails, so to speak, and enjoyed it far more than I normally would. That's such a fascinating trip. I knew I would love an episode more than I did from knowing you'd both love it. The episode itself is such a positive vibe, even Dukat going all out with fireworks. Nice. Happiness is infectious!
Of the modern races, I think the Romulans would be the first, as they left Vulcan thousands of years ago. (assuming they didn't use "generational ships" and limp all the way to Romulus)
Generational ships would explain the head bones
We saw Andorians in Journey to Babel (and TMP, and The Offspring, as you mentioned).
There was also an Andorian inmate helping Garth of Izar in the Whom Gods Destroy TOS episode.
It's honestly astounding comparing Chief and Bashir in 'The Storyteller' to where they are now, and how the evolution of their friendship seemed to occur so naturally and effortlessly. I struggle to think of many other shows pulling that off.
I used to think that a switch flipped after Armageddon Game, but on this watch I realized that it's still more gradual than that.
This is a good representation of why I like the Star Trek shows: variety. Every episode, you could tune in, and like a box of chocolates, you never knew what you were going to get: action, drama, comedy, romance, philosophy, relationships, whatever. As you both are fond of saying, as long as the execution was good, I am down for it.
Commander Sisko stole my solar sailer!
Bald Goateed is Avery’s true appearance.. They wanted him to look more clean cut as Sisko. He played Hawk! Who was a bad ass! “Angry” character..
There was, in fact, a Vulcan member of the Enterprise-D crew. You're forgetting Dr. Selar, played by Suzie Plakson in "The Schizoid Man". She appeared only in that one episode, but the character was name-dropped at least once in a later season. Also, you did see real Andorians in "Journey to Babel". Only one member of their party was an Orion disguised as an Andorian.
If I'm not mistaken, the Vulcans were first modern space faring race in Star Trek.
One of the first. There's much we don't know about other races and especially other quadrants. Unless it was ever established that the Vulcans were the de-facto first race in the galaxy to utilize warp.
I will accept breaking even on my quatloos. I have a Target Audience S trifecta for next season, but obviously I'll save it for then. (Explorers is a B+ for me. The fact I can make a good guess of what you like before we get there shows how consistent and honest you are, even if I disagree often.)
Great episode with a LOT of heart. Sisko really got to shine here too and his relationship with Jake goes from strength to strength.
This episode is a big ❤️❤️❤️.
Yeah, they have to use another method to get the solar sail craft into space - so with the real ones that have been done, they go up on a rocket and then are deployed from there.
I assumed rocketry was involved, and assembly took place in orbit. Probably a space station not unlike our own ISS
Alex: Not a glass half full or half empty kinda a guy. He is more of a seeing a half glass of water and saying: "Oh my god there is a hole in the glass and half the water leaked out and the rest is going to leak out too."
So what you are saying is, he is a glass completely empty and what even is water kind of guy
DS9 sex scoreboard We have some scores tonight. They are assumed but we feel good about the conclusions. Bashir climbs the list. The sex score board Quark 5 Jadzia 3 Bashir 3 +2 new Sisko 2 Chief 1 Keiko 1 Odo 1 Kira 1 Jake 1 GUEST: Leta +1 new Smart dr chick +1 DETAILS: 1st Bashir bashes Leta. No doubt (according to the sex scoreboard assumption rules). Why are we so sure it is easy. If a woman walks up to you, says I wanted to meet you, then fake coughs in order to get “examined”. It is a no brainer. Now here is a huge question. Should we count a Bashir / Chief drunken hook up? It is a tough call. We believe Bashir would be up for it. He almost begged for the Chief to admit after he said he hated him when they met “but now…..”, that he loved him. Hubba-bubba. But would the Chief. After all, Bashir is almost as pretty as Keiko. That is not a know on Keiko, it is just Bashir has a pretty face. However, would Chief cheat on Keiko? We have made the call as no. Chief has turned down even better offers in previous eps. One more consideration. Did Bashir interject some T-cells to the (I can’t remember her name) smart dr chick. Answer YES. We are going to credit it. It does meet all the assumption requirements. Conversation with some seeming sort of attraction. One having some admiration for the other (in this case for each other). Something that could happen off screen. Do we think Bashir has enough game, yes, refer to Leta earlier. So Bashir smashes after he bashes. As always if you agree or disagree leave a comment explaining why (especially if you disagree)
He and the other doctor likely banged imo
It's not an "S", the symbol of the House of El means "Hope"! Hope for more great episodes in the future!
You boys need to quit worrying so much about the near future. There is no big crash coming. Don't worry about DS9. Don't worry about VOY. And I will even say don't worry about ENT. There are many episodes you will adore all the way through these shows.
SPOILER ALERT! STAR TREK IS GOOD!!
I am afraid the crew saying the show starts blank, a usually would mean more coming from Armin, however, I suspect they wanted to avoid spoilers especially from DS9 people who might know things you don’t even about the first three seasons
I tend to think this dialogue coming from an officer serving on a starship in one of Ira’s first episodes as show runner is not a coincidence: “I really envy the opportunity you have to work on that kind of long-term project. On the Lexington, it was collect your samples and then on to the next system.” I also kind of wonder if Rene was voicing some of his own initial feelings about moving to DS9 instead of Voyager. I know specifically Ron Moore had said he was excited about the prospect of helping create Voyager, but it was Rick Berman who thought that working under Ira would be more beneficial to him. I believe both Rene and Ron had clauses in their contracts that they could move to Voyager after one season of DS9 if they weren’t happy.
Just in case bridge crew hasn't already informed you, transporter range is 13 times the distance between SF and New Orleans. Don't worry he was good :) And Jake's Bajoran girlfriend appeared in Life Support, where Nog insults her friend on their double date.
Oh, she didn’t ghost him after that? Jake must’ve had a legendary recovery text
One of the best feel good episodes in all of Trek. I was Jake's age when I first watched the show, and now I'm older than Sisko. Different levels of feels now as my son is getting older.
Sisko, who has never shown any interest in building or engineering ever, all of a sudden out of the blue decides to build an ancient unique spacefaring vehicle all on his own based on blueprints in an ancient foreign language ''for fun'' and he succeeds?!?!?! With ease too! This one goes far beyond my suspension of disbelief unfortunately despite all the good jake and dad scenes and the surprisingly endearing doctor subplot I had forgot. This kind of project would require weeks of full time effort too but he builds it in what seems like a quiet weekend? i'm sorry it's just completely ridiculous to me it would be like if I went to a museum in Greece and found plans to make some ancient greek boat and decided I could build it all on my own and not just that but then sail it across the atlantic all on a whim And then there's the whole Bajorans actually had spaceflight before anyone else but just forgot about it for some reason? This episode really irks me, I know it's petty though
Sisko did build that clock when he was possessed in Dramatis Personae that is still in his office. Perhaps it awakened something in him. Also, this from Defiant: “I was in charge of the shipyard where the Defiant was built. I helped design it.”
Much like an anime character; Sisko goes through a series of hair based transformations to become more powerful.
They're routinely transporting down to planet surfaces. San Francisco to New Orleans is nothing.
This. The distance between the surface of a planet and orbit is massive compared to San Franisco to New Orleans.
I watched this the other night and thought oh yeah the guys are going to be all over this one.. great moments .. no big here comes the plot moment. and Drunk Chief and Julian .. ding ding ding only would be better for them if they get some emotional blow that could draw the tears
DS9 so far has the least Twilight Zone flavor that the other series are able to explore. Being on a station and more serialized sets a different tone. Sisko 3:16
Data's Day is definitely in my top 5 cosy trek list! The others I can't reveal yet. I literally finished work early when I saw you had posted this episode, loved the reaction!
(only saying this because you acknowledge you know how he looks later). Avery Brooks was essentially forced to have the hair and be clean shaven at the start of the show. Berman and the powers that be claimed they wanted him to look different than a character Brooks was heavily associated with and that Picard was bald and they didn't want two bald leads in a row. Others have speculated his main look was "scary" to white audiences and they wanted to make him look more friendly. Regardless, this was a step for Avery going towards the look he wanted now that Ira was in charge.
Yeah I didn't wanna say anything prior to this, but for me, he looks so odd without the beard and with hair. lol. It makes the early episodes sorta strange. This is sorta like the werewolf mid-transformation. :P
Bareil does suck I wonder if he’s ever been in anything else?
You guys could change your name to reckless speculation!
Cozy is a good way to put it. And Space Dad Sisko is always great.
Deep Space Dad
So many great moments in this one
My headcanon is that your complaints about Ira Steven Behr's writing traveled back to 1995, and Ira sat in his new showrunner's chair stroking his goatee and said "Then why don't we try this," and he put out the perfect low-stakes episode of Star Trek. So thank you for doing that, because I love this one. Avery Brooks was reportedly adamant about making Sisko a present, involved father, and offhand I can't think of a better way to show that. This is also a great early example of DS9's instinct for lightening the tension when the series is starting to get too heavy. Not everyone's cup of tea, I know, but it's an S from me.
I know I said I love high stakes world building best, and I do! However, if you're doing a small-stakes character-piece, this is exactly how you do it. I have no big complaints at all and it's an easy episode to re-watch. A small thing, but If I were to re-write it, I would have preferred to have no B Plot and have the majority of the episode take place on the solar-ship. But then again, we wouldn't have gotten that GOATED drinking scene. So I dunno lol. Also, this has been some of Avery's best acting thus far. I will say A+ PS: I promise not to keep Ira-fanboying for the rest of the series, but from what I know, as a showrunner, I think the reason he was so successful is, he let his writers do pretty much what they wanted and was more hands off than most other showrunners. This was also the period where the studio began having a hands-off mindset with DS9 as they focused on Voyager. So we see some really original, sometimes ballsy, and unique plots. And chances! The show takes chances now and I think that matters so much.
Well, I've been sporting a goatee myself ever since that episode aired and someone told me it would suit me too. This had to be said, later I'll watch the reactin ;) :grin
Remember Sisko building the clock in "Dramatis Personae"? Maybe that wasn't "exactly him," but it at least foreshadowed him as a builder. We saw both a real Andorian and a fake Andorian in "Journey to Babel." Shras (played by Reggie Nalder) was the real one.
It's easy to forget that Sisko was the guy who designed the Defiant, so he knows a thing or two about building ships.
When I saw this on first watch I was like Jake at the beginning. "A roadtrip with the old man while I could get laid? No thanks!" Times changed and so did I. I really like this little excursion.
Oh. ... Oh. I um think I get it now. You guys were 100% serious when you said you wanted to see Jake and Ben go camping. Like, really serious. LOL i get it now.
Not really a fan of this one. Nothing of interest really happens. Don't hate it, just don't much like it either. Mostly just boring. C for me. I skip it on rewatches.
Ah, the Sisko beard. Fun fact: "Paramount executives and producers specifically requested that he look different from his previous, well-known character, Hawk, from Spenser: For Hire and A Man Called Hawk." That's not all but *Spoilers* ;) I really enjoy this episode, it gets away from the overarching narrative and does something more lighthearted and heartwarming. Look forward to hearing your thoughts at the end
Another show worth checking out, if just for the TV movies if nothing else.
I enjoyed this one, chill and relax episode.
Great to see your photos from the convention, guys. I've talked 14 Ds9 actors at Conventions.
Great Ben and Jake episode.
When some fans say the show starts here it’s not always the big episodes they refer to (for some it is) but sometimes just how confident the show feels, how much better Avery Brooks gets, for many late s3 is when things start to click together
Ya, it's a vibe. That and the behind-the-scenes changes can literally instantly change a show's, well....vibe. lol Not one thing really, just...vibe. So yeah. I'll go with vibe.
Lovely episode and the perfect way to follow up a big story. That final scene is one that I love.
Armin with the classic Patron "DS9 gets good in season 4” comment. Et tu, Armin?!?
See!? We were NOT lying! And I consider this the spiritual beginning of season 4 in terms of the changes. And ya, the real season 4 is even BETTER than this. Armin says it. And would a Ferengi lie? :)
Heck of a thumbnail! I guess you liked it. *watches*
One little thing to mention: technically the Bajorans culturally appropriated Sisko directly into their religion. So its pretty fitting that he'd take an interest in their history. I imagine the Bajoran government was delighted when he decided to take on the project and supplied him with resources (namely the wood).
One of my sneaky favorites of DS9. The ultimate low-stakes hangout episode.
Only on Star Trek can flying through space in a ship made from lumber be considered low stakes
