UNCUT - Caretaker (VOY S1E1-2) | Star Trek Journey 341

The second half was really hard to follow without a synchup between episodes.

You can understand how as a kid, Transformers (1986) may have been your favorite movie. As an adult, though, you're going to realize its not actually "the best movie of all time" even if its your individual favorite movie.

Ro on Voyager would have been a major improvement

As far as the guy saying he loves Voyager the most.... makes sense to me. If it was your first star trek, and you have similar fond memories of it like people do about the others, it may be your favorite, but as you get older with a more critical eye you could realize that DS9 was the better show, its just never going to be THAT SHOW that got you into it as a kid. I know you read some takes that weren't this, but generally from what I've seen, the people who love Voyager mostly had it as their introduction to trek, and I could see it would seem very different if you had nothing to compare it to

ok, as I said, in my head cannon Paris IS Locorno, BUT.... We do have some things established here about Paris. He was in starfleet. There was a mission. An accident. 3 people died due to pilot error. Paris tried to cover up that it was due to pilot error as he was an established pilot. He altered records and falsified data. He was caught and expelled from starleet. Sometime after that, he joins the Maquis, and is captured on, not his "first day" of being in the Maquis, but his first missiion. He was in a penal colony in New Zealand, and Janeway went there to get him because he had some familarity with where the Maquis were and how they operated. Their mission was to find a maquis ship that disappeared in the badlands. Obviously Starfleet was concerned it could be some kind of ruse or plan

That said, you may end up enjoying the show much more then I though. You loved TNG so much, and Voyager is very much an inferior copy of TNG. But you liked TNG enough, Voyager has enough intentional similarities you will probably like it. It has become clear you are not going to like DS9 the way the fans like it. You might like it as a show overall, but its already clear with not regostering with the spiritual themes and being somewhat turned off by the galactic scale politics, it just isn't what you want out of Trek, and many of those elements which for the fans add to and enhance the character stuff and the stuff you dont like make it into something for the fans where youre just not going to have the same expereince. Its also that the fans are invested in the Federation and being indifferent to it, which is a strange way to watch the show (from the TRek Bible Roddenberry explained people have to empathathize and root eith the characters) We are supposed to root for the Federation because. with its occassional problem, it really is a utopian orginization that is trying to do right. Buying into that and how that affects our characters and what choices they have to make is an essential part of "getting it" as well as the themes about apath and hope and faith. So I have kind of acceoted DS9 isnt really going to be FOR YOU, and you might enjoy it overall but youre going to miss the point of some episodes. whereas the things I that put me off Voyager for you won't be the same kind of deal breakers because you like the concept and are used to (a much milder version at times) on TNG.

I've been pretty consistent in expressing how and why I strongly dislike Voyager. As I said, we we get to it, I'll post a critique by Ronald Moore that I 85 percent agree with. I wont be pointing out the problems for every episode, but when there is an egregious example of what I mean I'll point it out

The Kazon are an especially unpopular villian. You will notice there are different "distrums" or clans or whatever to the Kazon. The inspiration behind them was they were supposed to be like LA gangs in the news. Like, we've seen plenty of united speciies, what if there was a species that was primitive but violent and roams the galaxy as criminal gangs? But yeah, people had a problem with that take and i Think it's a consensus that the Kazon were weak villians, especially as there gang motif makes them feel too much like KLingons lite. I guess they are as far away as you can get from The Dominion or The Borg, or even the Cardassians. These arent arent smart planners r even technologically advanced by trek standards. They are dangerous because they are violent and stupid.

You are right. There was a lot of interesting potential here. And I think a lot of people, especially those who didnt love DS9 like you do, were anxious fot "TNG 2.0" But as Moore, said, this episode highlight the problem. Youve got all this interesting stuff set up, and by the end of the episode, the maquis are in Starfleet uniforms. Moore said the problem was they never believed in their own premise. They wanted yo be doing TNG 2.0, and that the kind of show they made. But while there sre individually decent sci-fi plots, the characters and the world dont drag us in, they dont feel believable. You mentioned the characters are archetypes right now. A good show would have filed those in and expanded them. In Voyager, its not so much as they stay archetypes, they dont even say that. Outside of Janeway and the Doctor, no body undergoes any real character evolution or are even well defined as characters. IMO, too often this feels like "TNG fan fiction". Like trek written by people who don't get the characters matter, or don't get the world has to be consistent and believeable. Yes, Janeway's decision here will be a huge thing going forward. But even there. while this is obviously going to impact Janeway, one gets the sense (and I get it even here althought it may work) that the writers want to project Janeway as a "strong captain" and in service of that they make her too... arrogant, or too eager to make buig decisions without getting feedback or even examining whatever principle of the week will prevent them from getting home.

Strongly dislike Tuvok. He plays the role like he's constantly constipated. We don't see any Spock like stuff, in fact Tuvok doesn't even seem particularly unemotional. he just seemed irritated all the time (granted hes far from vulcans stuck on a ship with humans). Otherwise his actions. like all the characters unfortunately, are totally inconsistent and depedent on what the plot requires

It's been officially confirmed that it was young Tuvok in the movie

As of this episode, Kes is only two years old. her species undergoes rapid maturation nad has short life spans

Yes, Kes is an ocampa that Neelix has been dating.

Chakotay was on the colony from TNG, dropped out of Starfleet to fight for his people then joined the Maquis. A funny fact, they hired an "expert" in the culture Chakotay was supposed to be from as an advisor. It turned out he was a fraud and everything he told them was made up or just stuff he heard or read.

"if they just gave a line of dialogue" This

Note- The Intrepid class is one of the new line of Anti-Borg ships, so she couldn't have had command for long. I would say this has to be one of the earlier missions. They mentioned bio-neural cell packs, they also have nanites yo repair damagae and apparently industrial replicators, as the ship was built for long term lomg range exploratory missions. But She must have took over this ship at some point durin DS9 season 3, and other then Tuvok it doesn't seem like she knows these people well. So I would this is one of the Vpyager's first missions, and if nor, it's certainly less then a year they've been togather.

so while DS9 refers to the Alpha Quadrant as "our side"... so the milky way is closer to a disc then starts going equally in all directions. As such one can draw a sort of "north/south" grid from it as if you were looking down. The Federation did this, using the ultra massive black hole at the center of a galaxy asa thru point, extending through Earth. Earth was supposed to be on the boundary of the quadrants but when they measured closely its actually in the alpha quadrant. So the Federation core is split between Alpha and Beta. The Romulans are to the "east" of the Federation in the Beta. the Klingons "southeast" with Cardassian far "southwest." There are maos at this point though you still want to be careful with spoilers. So anyway, most of what we see from Trek takes place in that region around the Alpha/Beta Quadranys. But if you think of the whole galaxy, you've got four use quadrants. With Earth on the "south" and slightly "west"- Alpha is southwest quadrant, Beta is southeast. Gamma is northwest, Delta is Northeast. The Gamme Quadrant is where the Dominion is located. The have mentioned it briefly, with Guinan I believe, but the Borg are from the Delta and when Q transported the Enterrpise in Q Who?, He transported them to the Beta much closer to the Delta.

I think Paris was supposed to be Nick. he has the same backstory. In my head cannon, he is Nick, he just used a differnt name t distinguish himself from his failed starfleet career

Anyone comment on the fact that a huge recent project for Robert Duncan McNeill has been producing and directing Resident Alien with Alan Tudyk. Just finished its run last August. Great show, and funny af.

I just believe there aren’t enough comments on this video

This was my first time watching star trek live as in same day watch, same day aired. Remember sitting on the edge of my chair at 12 watching this premiere. I get why they dropped the whole maqui thing in ds9 and TNG, because they were actively developing the show and they wanted it to feel like a lived in universe rather than just making it a throw away reason as to why they were coming together with an unknown group. If you saw TNG or Ds9 you knew who they were already and that crawl Did the heavy lifting for the premiere. Plus from interviews and stuff I've seen it was said that the crew coming together by the end wasn't suppose to occur but they people above said we need them to be one crew to move on. Can't wait to see what your guys takes are on the show as it goes on. And it's 75,000 light years. 😜

Guys, summer was rerun season.

Jacoata is the man!

You guys definitely said some things but overall it seems like you guys are excited and I can't wait to see your progression through the show

Finally, we start the epic voyage home... 🖖

In the pre discussion you guys considered Generatiobs impacting Voyager, it was reasonable, some pointed out ths stardates were not aligned like that. I would also, being a defector about Trek movies in general, want to point out, until Star Trek six and to a degree even after, movie events barely had any bearing on the show, I feel it should stay that way, when watching the show we can ignore all movies. This to me should be how it works, what happens in the movies stays in the movies.

They didn't cast Robert Duncan McNeill as the Nicholas Locarno character in Voyager because they would've had to pay royalties to the original writers of The First Duty for every episode that Locarno appeared in. Instead, they created the almost identical character of Tom Paris, played by the same actor. It's sad they chose to save money rather than continue to grow a character with an established backstory.

Wow after rewatching this after all these years it's more dull than I remembered. It has some serious pacing issues. It's still a solid pilot and does a decent job of introducing the characters

Finally on the Patreon and hope to stick around for awhile! My YouTube handle is truecolours412 and I’ve been following since you started DS9. I only do one YouTube or Twitch (or Patreon, now) sub at a time and Voyager felt like the perfect time to hop on board. I am thrilled I can easily cast the Patreon to the Roku, and that the captions on here are pretty good too. Now, excuse me while I explore the backlog 🚀

Wow, 482 comments?!? I can see I waited too long to comment. :) BUT I will, anyway. It's hard to say much about this, because most of my review of the series is as a whole, and it would be kind of spoilery. I will say I always looked at this as a show with a lot of unrealized potential. There are one, maybe two things in the premiere that should have some payoff/follow-up, but never do. The Kazon to me this early felt like the early TNG Ferengi again. Set up as new villains, but not quite figured out yet.

I have a 1080p fan upscale of this entire show on a flash drive that lives in my TV. I've watched it many times. As a 90s kid, I became obsessed with TOS because the Syfy channel would do 8 hour marathons everyday all summer, so when I started watching Voyager, it didn't seem like TNG, as it lacked the alpha quadrant politics amongst the various races we all know. What it did seem like to me, was a back to basics modern version of TOS. Every bottle episode has the promise of some new alien species to discover... I really do love it, just in a different way than TNG and DS9.

Voyager is one of my personal favorites. The premiere is solid and I also think they do a great job of setting plot and characters. My only criticism is they Introduce the Kayzon the villains and they are capable of space travel but don’t have fresh water? Kinda stupid lol

The YouTube edits have always been enough for me, but I just love Voyager so much, I needed to see your every little reaction. So here I am as a full member and I don't regret a second of these 3 hours 😍 Here's to 7 seasons!

"It's not the best Trek, but it's my favorite" probably isn't as fringe of a take as you think. Not sure I'm there (DS9 still #1), but I 100% get it and can be persuaded. Voyager is like junk food: there may not be a lot of macronutrients, but it sure is fun to gorge on.

Well damn, you picked out all the characters that were gonna be killed off right away. Sorry, fellas

Disagree with yall STRONGLY on The Emmisary DS9 pilot! STRONGLY! Glad yall enjoyed the VOY pilot though. And PS: I'm cashflowhustles on YouTube if yall see me commenting and participating in future YT comment threads. That DS9 pilot is absolutely amazing IMO BTW.

Hey Josh..., you've probably looked it up by now, but Voyager is Intrepid Class :) & pretty lil ship with upswing nacelles to go to warp

Voyager is my least favorite series but it still had some very good episodes.

The voyager premiere as far as pilots go was pretty good. But I’ve liked all the pilots the shows have had, pilots are tough, they have to do a story that is acceptable while introducing our characters and Caretaker did that well

But hey Michelle Forbes went over to Homicide: Life on the Street in hte 90s and was fantastic :)

Episode that I don't remember at all, maybe never saw it. But I enjoyed the episode and the reaction.

Kate Mulgrew wasn't the first choice as captain of voguer , Genevieve Bbujold was, thank god Kate became captain

short and simple , I enjoy Voyager , I got my favorite episodes, I like it and looking forward to see your reactions

So this is what I am doing instead of watching the Super Bowl.

i'll keep it short - i do like Neelix, not my fav character but i do like him - Tuvoc is my fav but you gotta love Janeway - thanks guys love your work

I do not agree that "best" and "favorite" are the same, and I think that seriously thinking (joking is fine) that something is best just because it's your favorite is very inaccurate and out of touch. You can have stuff that is your favorite that you either know isn't actually that good, or you even personally like other things better as a whole. For instance, I can have the best steak that I've ever eaten in my life, and say that steak was the best thing I've ever eaten in my life. But my "favorite" food might be something that I don't enjoy nearly as much as that steak, but I like having it more often because it's cheap and comfortable, like chicken nuggets. The best way for me to describe this to somebody is that steak is the best, but chicken nuggets are my favorite. And that's not being inauthentic or feeling like I can't express my true opinion. That IS my authentic true opinion. I think when most people say that DS9 is best, but Voyager is their favorite, they're saying something along the lines of they enjoy DS9 because it's done very well and they like those episodes the best. But they enjoy Voyager because it's more comfortable and easy to watch, specifically because it's NOT the best. There's a lot of Voyager that falls into guilty pleasure territory for a lot of people.

Yes the Maquis, and the whole Native American tie in to the Marquis in Journey's End were created as setup for Voyager. I think originally, they wanted a lot more emphasis placed on the premise that this wasn't a 100% starfleet crew. They wanted half of the crew to be outlaws and anti-starfleet in order to provide a central source of conflict. I think a lot more of that conflict was originally part of this pilot. But somewhere along the line, the writers were ordered to change it. It ended up working out that TNG and DS9's setup of the Maquis was way better than the payoff we got here.

Just wanted to say that of all the many "female lead" characters I've seen in my life, Kate Mulgrew's portrayal of Janeway is by far the best and most credible. *Especially* when you filter out female leads with superpowers or that are non-human, as that's a whole different category. As a normal human female, she's the only one I've probably ever found to be believable as a leader, especially with male subordinates. I can't emphasize enough just how incredible Kate Mulgrew's performance is throughout this series. And I absolutely adore her more classical old-school female Hollywood accent (a la Grace Kelly). That being said, you'll learn in an incredible documentary down the road the toll this role took on Mulgrew's personal life. Destroyed her marriage and relationship with her children. In that regard, a bit of a Faustian bargain to be this icon of female leadership at the expense of her family and personal life. Quite fascinating to dwell on.

Alright, finally had time to read through comments and post my own. I was genuinely hoping you'd enjoy Voyager, and I'm glad to see that you did. Guess I was hoping for a more upbeat response to the intro after DS9's got trashed for having such slow pacing, but if I had to choose, I'd rather you be excited about the premise and characters as that's what will actually carry the show. As for Voyager fans being "beaten into submission", yeah there's definitely some of that. As a kid, I never really watched TNG as it aired since my parents didn't get cable until the mid/late 90s, and even then I only had access to reruns, not the new eps. I maybe saw an ep or 2 at my aunt's place but that may also have been reruns. My brother was 11 or so when Voyager started, and he had a friend who recorded much of the first 2 seasons, and toward the end of the 90s my dad had an out of town job and was only home every other weekend, but he would record the new DS9 and Voyager eps so we weren't too far behind at that point. My whole family liked Voyager more or less, but my dad and older brother took plenty of opportunities to point out how superior DS9 was and point out Voyager's flaws. 7/8 year old me watching Voyager loved it, and it edged out TNG as my favourite for a while. Newer, more exciting, younger crew, better space battles, etc... At that age I didn't "get" DS9. It was just fine to me. By the time Voyager ended, my brother and father's criticisms had "peer pressured" me into disliking the show. After my dad died in 2005, I barely watched Trek for the next 12 years. I watched the JJ movies in that time and they were fine for what they were. I also finished BSG around 2011 after falling off in S3 of the original run and liked it enough that DS9 was the first series I went back to for a full rewatch the following year. As an adult, I finally saw why my dad and brother appreciated it. Then from 2017-2020 I rewatched everything from TOS-ENT, and developed a new appreciation for most trek shows, but especially VOY and Enterprise. This series will definitely surprise you at times. It's very experimental in it's stories, sometimes that backfires, but when it works, it WORKS. Being in the Delta Quadrant, there's very little established lore they have to stick to. They can come up with whatever the hell they want and it doesn't affect DS9 or anything else. It's a great sandbox for the writers to play in. Every trek crew has a feeling of family, but it's arguably the strongest on Voyager. Nobody can transfer to another ship, and there are no reinforcements at the next starbase. All they have is each other, and a ton of great character beats come out of that. Speaking of characters, while obviously every character in every series has some growth, I think Voyager gives you the best sense of who the characters are in it's first season. The whole cast mostly comes out swinging. Each captain has a certain quality to them that made them memorable in my eyes. Kirk was arguably something of a sheriff, keeping law and order on the frontier of an untamed federation. Picard was the philosopher and the diplomat, winning battles of intellect and morality in defense of the federation's core principles. Sisko is the ranger, guarding a distant outpost, holding back the storm gathering on the horizon. Janeway doesn't have that bigger picture to worry about. Her only concern as captain is getting her crew home. Janeway is the mother goose, and if you've ever run into geese(especially of the Canadian variety), you know they can be aggressive little bastards, but they're incredibly protective of their kids. I'm not saying Kirk of Picard or Sisko don't feel the loss when one of their crew is killed, but aside from Spock or Tasha or a few other non main character deaths they gave more weight to(The Bonding), it's mostly treated as "unfortunately it comes with the job". Janeway more than any captain is FIERCELY committed to her crew, and that's evident right from the first episode. Whatever criticism people have about Janeway or how she's written, I love her character for that trait alone. Chakotay doesn't get a lot to do in Caretaker, but he does come across as a thoughtful and principled man, and he was backing Janeway up on her decision before she even made him XO, so he's a great pick for first officer. Also he's heavily implied to be the instructor at the academy that Ro referred to in Preemptive Strike. Torres likewise doesn't get too much in the pilot. All we see is she's apparently the engineer on the maquis ship, and she's got one hell of a temper. She says it's her klingon half, but real talk we've met one other half klingon who also had a hell of a temper and a bunch of full klingon women like Grilka and Azetbur who were honestly comparatively mild mannered. With a family name of Torres, she's not just half klingon, she's half latina too. Pretty volatile mixture. She is one of the show's better characters in my book. Neelix as a character is like taking a shower while people are washing dishes with hot water and occasionally flushing the toilet. He can at times be little more than set dressing, at other times be incredibly irritating, and other times be genuinely endearing. Kes as for Caretaker has very little to define her beyond a youthful, rebellious streak. She's kind of just tacked onto Neelix in Caretaker. Kim I really like as a concept. Also cool to see some Korean representation in a Trek cast(Wang is of Taiwanese descent). He's shown to be highly competent from the start, obviously a grade A student and model young officer, but clearly still very green and perhaps a little naive. That he and Tom are basically polar opposites in this regard is what makes Paris taking on a sort of big brother role work so well. It's like Tom sees who he could have been and wants to help Kim get "street smart" while avoiding the mistakes he made. When comparing Paris and Lacarno, people are quick to point to Lacarno being more self centered and unscrupulous, but as Boothby pointed out, there was a reason those cadets were willing to go along with the deception. Paris and Lacarno do have their differences, but that quality of mentorship carried over. The EMH or the Doctor is an interesting concept. He don't see a ton of him here, we just see he works well under pressure and has a somewhat irritable disposition. If there was any question early on as to whether Data was alive or not, then there's even more question in regards to the Doctor. On the one hand, we saw Exocomps and even a colony of nanites acknowledged as alive, not to mention the "ugly bags of mostly water" crystals or essentially cartoons(2d aliens) from The Loss. We have Moriarty as a precedent for a sentient hologram, but presumably while the Doctor is programmed much more thoroughly than an ordinary holodeck character, I doubt starfleet wanted another Moriarty situation. So do we have a main character who is essentially just a bunch of subroutines and nothing more, or can he evolve. Only time will tell. Regardless, Robert Picardo is one of the shows best casting choices. Finally, there's Tuvok, who is honestly probably my favourite Vulcan in the franchise. Spock is great, don't get me wrong, but most Vulcans can come across as somewhat dickish. Tim Russ manages to capture the intelligence and discipline Vulcans are so well known for, while at the same time bringing a subtle warmth to the character. He'll correct people on a million little things like any Vulcan, be to me he never came across as condescending. The ready room scene not only establishes Janeway and Tuvok having a history of close friendship, but we also see Janeway being emotionally weighed down by both those who died and those who are stranded, and simply put being very "Human". Tuvok shows zero judgement of her "human failings". To me it shows that Tuvok understands that Humans and Vulcans and every other species simply play to different strengths, and there's a time and a place for each of their contributions. As for the episode itself, I said in my take that it didn't quite hit the emotional notes of Emissary, and it probably doesn't have anything quite as intense as Sisko confronting his trauma over Jennifer's death, but Caretaker still hits some real emotional highs. Janeway's speech at the end, the ready room scene, Tom wanting to help get Kim back, telling the Caretaker that the Ocampa need to learn to survive on their own, and the scene where Janeway says "we didn't ask to be involved, but we are. We are" all hit for me. Beyond that it's clearly the most exciting of the 3 90 minute premiers thus far, and the production values are excellent for the most part. Rewatching, I think it edges out Emissary for me, which was way ahead of Farpoint. Man Trap to me is just an episode, and always kind of mid, so that's dead last. Corbomite Maneuver or Where No Man would beat out Farpoint even though they're smaller in scope and not as flashy. The Kazon really are Temu Klingons. They work fine as placeholder enemies here. Jabin wasn't the most unreasonable person ever, but he wasn't exactly trying to meet Janeway halfway either. I do love that halfway through the battle she casually calls him up to give him the chance to get away from the array or be blown up along with it. That "I can, and I will" before cutting him off was just perfect. I get criticisms like "why is water a scarce resource" or "why didn't they rig the array to explode after sending them home". If I'm being generous I would say whatever hydrogen they can gather from space(and assuming no gas giant in system) they need for fuel, and any ice asteroids/comets in the system might have been mined out a while ago, and Neelix did talk about warring kazon sects so it might not be as simple as doing a water run to the neighboring system(he did say some sects have water, and seemingly don't share). But if the problem is that rain can't form on that planet, then the water is already in the air, and condensers could collect it(think Tatooine moisture farmers). As others have addressed, with Kazon reinforcements on the way and the array damaged, and with several hours needed to activate the program under ideal circumstances, it's unlikely they could have held the array long enough to send them home anyway, so I think people are overly critical of this point. Great reaction guys. Voyager is off to a running start.

Phil Ken Sebben's take sums up how a LOT of people feel about Voyager. They don't care about the Okampa or the Kazon, and therefore don't care about the entire second half of this episode. They also think the science, the set up, and Janeway's decision are all incredibly stupid, and they hate Neelix with a passion. I personally do not agree wih any of this. In particular, I completely agree with Janeway's decision, and even if I didn't, I agree that it was the Starfleet decision to make. And I REALLY don't get all of the Neelix hate. People probably hate him worse than Jar Jar Binks, and I don't get it. Yes he's written to be the slightly annoying/Quark character, and the annoying side comes out the most when they play him off of Tuvok like we saw in this episode. But you can tell that's by design just so they can have that opposite dynamic going on. And honestly, I don't think Neelix gets any more annoying than what we've already seen here. He's just a regular character.

While I think there are some serious flaws with this pilot, the setup, a ship stranded decades from the edge of the Federation with a crew divided between Starfleet and Maquis, is the strongest initial hook since the original series introduced the 'wagon train to the stars' idea. For most people, their opinion on Voyager stems from how well or how poorly they think the show lived up to this initial premise. Emissary is still by far the best 'pilot' as far as I'm concerned, but I prefer Caretaker to Encounter at Farpoint.

Janeway mentions she came up through the ranks in the sciences division, which makes sense, since the Voyager is primarily a science vessel. That also means she likely wore “blue” during the TNG era, in terms of the division she was in, prior to becoming Captain, which is cool to think about. It’s similar to Beverly’s path, before she became a Captain of a medical ship in “All Good Things.”

Don’t worry I’ll stick around on YouTube I just very rarely have the time to set up the watch along for the uncut reaction and then watch the full uncut reaction so I prefer the edited versions.

Alex was concerned about hooking the trek audience. They had to hook a non-Star Trek audience to help launch UPN. They really had the budget for the first few seasons, but then there were a few budget cuts. You guys have good memories, but I wonder if you will need to go back and react to your reactions. As far as the color of pilots, there has been some variation with Star Trek shows over the years, but headcanon is that those in the Command tract may have to take advanced pilot training since we know Riker was a great pilot and Picard was helmsman on the Stargazer initially. I guess that make sense though that those in Command would need experience being on the bridge and that would be the easiest way to get it.

Normalize being able to enjoy trash. I like watching the Fast & Furious movies. They are garbage. My favorite cartoon is STILL ReBoot from the 90s, even though it was the first fully CGI cartoon, meaning the visuals are dated. Luckily the writing holds up. Liking something does not equal it necessarily being good. I think it's good people are embracing that. EDIT: I am NOT saying Voyager is trash. I reserve that for more recent entries. It IS however, my least liked of the first 5 series. All I'm saying is that one's enjoyment of something does not equate to an assessment of quality.

I have been looking forward to this reaction all week and I was SO excited when I saw you released it early! And this didn't disappoint - such a fun reaction to watch as you are introduced to the Voyager characters and their journey. Having watched Voyager when it originally aired, it is like an old friend to me and it's a lot of fun to see someone else discovering it for the first time. It's like getting to rediscover it myself. And I totally laughed out loud when you said you thought the 12 (estimate) people on the bridge at the end were the whole crew...! The whole reaction was encouraging because you were quick to dismiss so many of the issues that many people complain about in this episode (things that I always thought were pretty trivial complaints). If that's your approach for the next seven seasons then I think it's safe to say you're going to really enjoy Voyager! And yes, I think Voyager fans have become somewhat beaten down from having to defend the show so much over the years. For some reason people who dislike Voyager are very vocal about it. The critics are pretty relentless on what they see as being weaknesses of the show. What I like about your approach here is that you like Star Trek and you are just excited for another Star Trek series. I think fans who saw these shows (specifically DS9 and Voyager) when they originally aired saw the two as competing and quickly took sides, feeling like it was necessary to pick a favorite. I like that you guys are showing that it's possible to like both series equally because you like Star Trek. It's going to be hard waiting a full week for the next reaction to come out...!

i havent watched this show since it aired.... i was in my freshmen year of HS when the pilot dropped. and i missed the last couple seasons just because life and i was kinda crazy in my late teens early 20s and wasnt home much watching tv. but ive been wanting to go back and watch this. so im actually pretty excited to take this ride more so than with TNG and DS9 as i know those shows so well... i pretty much just pick the best episodes to rewatch. this i dont remember much of anything.

Voyager may not be like DS9 and TNG in terms of being everyones favorite but it does have a very dedicated and enthusiatic subset of die hard fans.

Voyager was the first Trek show that I didn't follow that closely for the majority of its original run. I remember watching the first season, and a little of the second. But then didn't really watch it again until the last few seasons. Well, I'm sure I caught a few episodes of the others, but you get my meaning. I loved the concept, the ship, and the crew. It was my least favorite Trek show for years. That said, I did go back and watch it all the way through a couple of times after that, and it eventually became more of something ranked in the middle of all of the classic shows. Ahead of TOS and Enterprise, at least. Can't really say why without spoilers, so there we are. Caretaker is decent. I liked the forced mix of two different crews and the premise. The Doctor is a great character, and the choice to destroy the Array to save a culture and possibly doom all of them of never seeing home again is a very Starfleet thing to do. And I appreciate that. Janeway is a great Captain. Deservedly on the same level as all of the others. I look forward to watching the series again with all of the folks here.

I think I understand the whole, "not the best, but my favorite" thing. I can look at DS9 and consider it "the best" as far as character depth, story and quality. I can still look at Voyager and say, it was more fun to watch. Kinda like saying the first Rocky movie is the best one critically, but I have more fun watching Rocky 4.

Looking back, it would have been ballsy to keep the original crew into the first season. Imagine getting attached to them only for them to be killed off and replaced over time... Could have been good!

Neelix gets unfair heat rom a lot of fans for some reason. Jar Jar Binks of Star Trek? Absolutely not.

Just so you know they studio/ Network not to mention even the writers struggled all the time, with the character of Janeway. When Janeway is down on the planet she was originally filmed having her hair in a different style (like how people can have their hair down and up in the same day). Studio or Network hated it. Thought it would be distracting to the audience. So they had to go back to that location Weeks later, and do reshoots. Spending a. couple million in the process. Outside of Kirk's death in generation, it was to this point the most expensive reshoot they did for Trek. Not because the scene was flat or didn't work. But because they didn't want her hair to distract the audience.........Now try and get the studio to pay for an extra day to shoot an episode, to make it great. Hah, good luck.....

Originally the plan was there was supposed to be more conflict between the Maquis and Starfleet in the pilot. They Maquis weren't supposed to be in uniform by the end. Somewhere along the line the writers were ordered to change it. The DS9 writers were very annoyed because they spent all that time breaking the Maquis for basically nothing. I like Josh's head cannon as to why everyone is in uniform by the time the pilot wraps.

It bodes well for you that you like Janeway so much from this first episode. She's great!

There are differences between Nick and Tom. Nick does something forbidden, to achieve fame and glory. It gets one of his crew killed, and he lies and convinces others to lie (placing blame on the victim to less). Once Wesley , comes fourth with the truth, he does a good thing and takes responsibility for it. Tom in the course of a mission has an accident that kills someone. He initially falsifies records. But he himself chooses to come clean. Nick sets up the situation that kills a cadet, he than organizes a conspiracy to hide it, and to place blame on the victims hat died. The only real similarity is that they both individually lie about what happens. Everything else, Tom is the better person. But yes, the producers liked what RDM did with the character of Nick in the First Duty (they often remember guest actors that impress them, that they feel they can work with to create a larger character). Its why the producers were pushing so hard for the actress that played Leah Brahms to be the Captain on this show (the studio kept killing that casting). Since they weren't going to pay rights for 174 episodes to an outside writer, they crafted a character that is similar on appearances, but fundamentally different. While that sounds petty you need to remember that while the cost of an episode is between 1.8 to 2.3 million at the time. Most of that is fixed costs. Not the unique costs to make one episode. That is closer to 150 to 250 thousand. Meaning paying a rights fee, would have an impact on every single episode. Basically adding up to to equal the unique cost to make a full episode each and every season.

There was no TV during the summer because school was out and families could afford to go on vacation. Back in the olden days if you missed an episode and your recording got fucked because your affiliate was too snowy or you mistakenly set the VCR for 5:00 AM it was just fuckin gone and you'd never see it again for years.

I absolutely love this series. While I've been following the YT since around the midpoint of TNG and as much as I like DS9. This was the series I was looking forward you to get to. Voyager has it highs , it has its lows, it even has its memes but most importantly it's a journey. I joined the patreon just to see you guys start the voyage across the Delta.

The Maquis (concept) was created in development of Voyager (these shows often takes up to 1 to 2 years in development, before production) so they have time. The episodes Journey End, and the Maquis I & II were created to put those concepts in the universe, and they worked in the Cal Hudson / Sisko story for the meat of the DS9 episode, and they eventually tied Journey's End Maquis story in to a Wesley storyline. They even given a line drop to Chakotay (not by name but by his rank of a Starfleet person who joins up). The rest of the Maquis episodes are just the writers of their show, seeing what else they can get out of this "concept" within their series that they can create stories from.

Set course for home! Was nice to see Josh and Alex enjoy it. Also, thank you “Josh” for pointing out your names on the screen in a prior video. I usually try to write around your names because I get mixed up and am apparently more unobservant than I realized.

It warms my heart the kids are still saying "Eiffel Tower"

Okay neelix is not a jar jar binks I like neelix and he will make a fine addition to the crew it’s Kes I think is useless.

What I love about Voyager is that you to start fresh with new aliens, ships and ways to get home. Delta quadrant unexplored but theirs only one alien race and we all know who they are.

I’m glad you guys like the pilot. Honestly it’s the best pilot out of the 3 24th century shows

I am so stoked to get to ride along while y'all take this journey with the Voyager crew.

Favorite just does mean best. You will understand later with DS9 and Voyager, it becomes hard to say Voyager is the best but it has really really good and really really bad episodes. Lol

The first officer Cavit was killed when the ship got tossed, the one that gave Paris the cold shoulder on the bridge. DS9 is probably my the best Trek series weighed with TNG but I think Voyager had the better Pilot and early seasons compared to the other two. I like Voyager though and the one I probably most turn on for casual viewing. Picardo/The Doctor might be my favorite character and got to meet him once but didn't know if there was enough in the Pilot for that to show yet haha, glad you enjoyed what there was and the episode itself! Two Treks again! As far as that tough choice, the needs of the many...outweigh the needs of the few haha and the Kazon are a warp capable people so not so much an issue.

The footage of Genevieve Bujold's scenes as Janeway is online and the difference between her and Kate Mulgrew is wild. It's definitely worth watching and reacting to, just a matter of if you want more time to get to know Mulgrew's Janeway first before doing it.

When you guys learned the original conn officer was Betazoid, you may have understandably missed a few details about the ship itself, from her exposition dump as she was talking, so here we go: 1. Voyager is a small science vessel, Intrepid-Class. 2. Its crew complement is around 120 or so, no families. In comparison, the Enterprise D had 10x as many people, around 1,000+. Chakotay’s Maquis ship had a crew of around 30-35, so this combined/mixed crew is mainly Starfleet and 3. the Voyager ship is “alive” - it uses bio-neural gel packs for circuitry.

Has no one mentioned that the turning warp engines are to get around the warp five limit?

Regarding "best" vs "favorite," that's a distinction I've always enjoyed. Something might not be the best quality (e.g. has many obvious faults and inconsistencies), but it just hits you in a special way. Similar to how the guys use S grades. For me, DS9 is the best Trek show, but TNG is still my favorite by just a little bit. TNG is where I'd actually want to "be" in this universe, with that crew on that ship. DS9 is NOT where I'd want to be in that universe, but it's an incredible, unbeatable watch on the outside.

Bit of a plot hole.. Harry and B’Elanna’s disease is never mentioned again I guess the doctor just easily cured it?

They tried their best to have Ro Laren on that Maquis ship.

This. This is what I've been waiting for. I personally rank this show above TNG. It has some of my all time favourites of characters, stories, just everything. Chefs kiss

Watched your reaction without watching the show at the same time, it was a strange experience. Atleast I knew most of the time what was going on from knowing the episode well enough. Very pleasant suprise to see TA react to my comment. I saw TOS,TNG,DS9,VOY, & ENT all before being apart of the online trek community. Voyager fans have honestly been beaten down by how much the online trek community craps on it. Glad if even for 1 episode you guys enjoyed it.

Something I noticed for the first time, at around 1 hour, 4 minutes in, at the end of the scene when Kes tells off Toscat and says "Come with me, we'll find your people." as the crew turns to leave the scene, two extras in Ocampan clothes turn and leave with them as if they're part of the crew lol.

Well, here we are. I live on DS9, but I think I actually prefer Voyager to TNG, if I had to pick one of the space-faring series. There will be highs, there will be lows; there will be times to gobble down the popcorn, times to stare slack-jawed with the popcorn part way up, and times to throw it emotionally at the screen. While I think that's true of all the series, Voyager has a certain element to it that probably hasn't been as prominent in any series since TOS -- I wonder if you'll pick up on it. The Voyager is definitely my favorite of all the hero ships. I think the Intrepid class is beautiful. Very sleek, good layout, well appointed. It's a nice ship. Some fun facts: Tom Paris was conceived as a Nick Locarno/Robert Duncan McNeil type. And, while Robert Duncan McNeil did audition for the part early on, he was initially rejected because he had grown a beard in the interim, and they weren't sure he'd be willing to shave it off. When they struggled to find a good fit, they eventually called him back and he was more than happy to shave for the part. While Tim Russ was an acting student in Texas he served as understudy to the artist in residence during a performance at his college's theater. The artist in residence? Mr. Leonard Nimoy. Robert Picardo initially auditioned to be Neelix. He's said that, at first read, the Doctor was the absolute last character he'd wanted to play, since he couldn't see how to inject any personality into a computer program. In January of 1995, Garrett Wang (pronounced Wong) was the only Asian main on U.S. network television in a leading dramatic role ("leading" in this sense being defined as a named character credited as part of the man cast, since VOY is an ensemble). Russell Wong was the only other one, but his series, "Vanishing Son" (kind of a hybrid of Kung-Fu and The Fugitive), which also premiered in January 1995, was only airing in first-run syndication. In 1997, Garrett Wang is named one of the "50 Most Beautiful People" by People magazine (#18, apparently, so not too shabby).

Such a contrast to last time. TA is not a fun watch when it's two hours of people grumpily shitting on something you like, but here it was three hours of thoughtful, constructive and fresh reaction and a really good time. Glad they enjoyed it.

I love star trek for many reason and one for sure is deep space mysterious exploration. I remember learning the premise of Voyager and I was not disappointed!

one hillarious thing is this is the last Star trek series with cast members from Roots. Every Startrek series from TNG to Voyager had a portion of it's cast come from the Roots Miniseries

Plenty of people might say Tom Paris should have just been Nick Locarno, since it's the same actor and they have such similar stories, but I'll go one step further. If we had Locarno instead of Paris, then we should also have Wesley Crusher instead of Harry Kim. The timing works for Wesley to have just graduated from the academy, and his history with Locarno would add more depth to the mini-story of Kim deciding to be Paris's friend despite his reputation. Plus, it puts some familiar faces on the "we all have loved ones back home" aspect of things.

AFAIK they just didn’t want to pay residuals to the writers of the Locarno character, so they just renamed him and changed his backstory a little.

Fun fact: They had to reshoot a few scenes of the pilot because the network didn’t like the way Janeway had her hair.

"Have they all been beaten into submission to make them say it isn't the best, but it's their favorite?" Yes, yes they have. So many Star Trek "fans" used to hate Voyager for DARING to have a woman as captain. It was all you'd hear about the series for DECADES.

Very good pilot; great reaction! My pilot rankings thus far are: Emissary, Caretaker, Man Trap, Farpoint. This is one of the better pilot eps of the Trek shows. I'm the opposite of the guys regarding Man Trap: good ep, sure, but it's not a proper Pilot. They don't like Pilots; I do! Glad you guys enjoyed this one though.

Best pilot, absolutely. Janeway has complete command aura from the first second you see her. Can't wait for the journey home with you guys!

In regards to "manifesting" Voyager when predicting what DS9 would be like, it is eerie how much you both actually predict things that end up happening. And we can only sit here and smile say, we can't talk about it, but just wait LOL. On that note, I was worried what you both thought about this show, and I'm glad you enjoyed it, and agree with your rankings for series premieres. This is my second favorite next to DS9 which is my favorite show. Thanks for releasing this one early, guys, though it sucks to have to wait a week until the next episode, i'll be here when you do.

Jesus fucking Christ. The most annoying experience of my life. Bought the DVD, spent 20 mins trying to get it to output to 4:3, then realised my PAL copy won’t sync up with the boys version. Then I watched it on paramount plus which looked like it was filmed on cigarette papers dipped in piss on my Sky Q, then I watched it on the native Prime Video app on my TV and the picture weirdly fades in and out and now the scenes are out of order. I give up. Paramount you bastards!

Thank you Alex for manifesting Voyager <3 MOTHER FUCKER!

Voyager is like TOS in that the airdate order of the shows varies quite a bit from the production order.

Listen, you can 1 for 1 slot in Nick Lacarno as Tom Paris and it never doesn't work. That's not really a spoiler, just a permission; you won't get burned deciding to treat them as the same, so feel free if you like. Many of us do the same.

I’m thrilled that we’ve finally made it to Voyager. I missed a lot of episodes when they first aired due to the nearest UPN station was barely in reception range where I lived and that was if the weather was good. After I got the DVD set, I did watch some that I missed, but there’s still a few dozen episodes that I haven’t seen.

I have to say watching the episode after long time I enjoyed it a lot.

Voyager has such a perfect premise On setup alone, the title of ST GOAT is theirs to lose! The characters are already settled, interesting, and the premise is WIDE open while still making use of endless canon to draw from. In completely virgin territory they could do anything, tell any story!

Jabin was the orange dick hole from Superman 3!👨🏼‍🦰

Speaking of Kate Mulgrew, fun fact, in 2002, her husband, Tim Hagan ran for governor of Ohio. I was so disappointed he lost because how fun would that have been to have Captain Janeway as the first lady of Ohio?

you brought up Scott MacDonald as being a trifecta of TNG/DS9/VOY guest spots and while watching i blurted out GUL EVEK as Richard Poe also satisfies that, but then i realized- as mentioned across various previous comments below-- Tim Russ has had a TNG, DS9, film, and now VOY appearance putting him in the lead!!

Ethan Philips, who plays Neelix, once starred in the main cast of the 80s sitcom "Benson"" with Rene Auberjenois.

I really love all the characters. There's a bit of finding their feet, but overall these first few episodes do a really good job. For me the Kes-Neelix relationship is one of those where I'm like, "Y'all would be better as friends but I get it, you're trauma bonded or whatever" lol. I think having a perspective of 'delta quadrant natives' is a really valuable thing for the show! B'Elanna and Harry is a fun dynamic, calling each other 'Starfleet' and 'Maquis', and I am SO HAPPY to have a great human-vulcan friendship with Janeway and Tuvok.

I overall liked Voyager a lot but Neelix, the Kazon, the overuse of technobabble and the ship damage never a bother gradually wore down my love.

omg...impossible to sync

A TV Guide article from the time of the pilot did indicate that Neelix was intended to be the "breakout character" like the Urkel or Fonzie. Fans at the time pushed back. He was hated much the way Wesley Crusher was.

I hope you'll approach Neelix with an open mind. I like him a lot. He adds a lot of enthusiasm and humanity to the show. You know 24th Century Federation sentiments are evolved. They don't experience the same kind of petty, human drives and experiences we 21st Century humans do. But Neelix comes from a different world, a harsher existence, a scrappier mentality and that's reflected in his character and his choices. So his impulses and emotional reactions are a little less evolved and (not to tell on myself) relatable. I think he's the only character that can have those more base instincts because the rest of the crew are Federation (or we're supposed to expect more from). Look, I'm a lawyer and a Libra so it's in my nature to see and argue things from all perspectives so maybe I'm bending over backward for Neelix in a way that's unrealistic for most viewers. But I really find his optimism and enthusiasm and drive to help and delight really endearing. And I find his flaws quite forgivable. And Ethan Phillips does such a great job of fully realizing the character. One of the worst things you can be in sci-fi is a human in an alien costume. Neelix is an alien. He's entirely believable and adds a lot of dimension to the show. So I hope you won't let all these haters taint your opinion of him before you get to know him on your own. :)

I watched this a couple of years ago, maybe during when we were up to TNG season 2 or 3. It wasn't bad. not great, not the worst, I would say it is better than Farpoint but somewhere in the same neighborhood as the DS9 one. The inclusion of that kiddie-friendly, mother approved, "funny" alien as a cast member is unfortunate though. I am guessing they feel after Quark that now they have a formula and must include a broadly played alien for comedy relief.

The streaming version I am watching in UK on Paramount is wildly different to the version Alex and Josh are watching. Whole scenes shifted around and now when my part 2 started I have no idea where we are!

Glad you guys enjoyed it! Looking forward to this series!

I put the VOY pilot above TNG and DS9 as well. I did not like Emissary and Farpoint all that much.

DS9 is my favorite show but VOY feels like family because I really got into the video game Star Trek Voyager: Elite Force and I feel like I actually worked with the crew and we went through hell together. Hahah

There is still an interesting, almost subconscious, kind of link to me from going to a show with a captain with the fictional name of Picard to one with an actor with the actual last name of Picardo. Somehow it just ties the shows various incarnation appropriately together! Perhaps even more so since they are both bald! Although Spock perhaps would say that is perhaps illogical to think of it that way! But as for Janeway I don't mind saying I fell in love with her from the Get Go. She has amazing resemblance, persona, and even vocal similarity, as many have noted to Katherine Hepburn who I was always a big fan of. Which is why, if I'm correct, that they picked her once to even play Hepburn in a bio about her!

Sci-Fi has a record of strong female characters but Janeway is top of the top for me. They did everything right with her and Kate Mulgrew was the right choice. She was just a phenomenal example of what female leadership looks like - collaborative, service-oriented, compassionate, careful, pragmatic, firm and decisive when called for, protective, diplomatic, utilitarian...they allowed her to be a strong, smart, moral, reliable, and, when need be, ruthless Captain without denying her vulnerability, kindness, warmth, and femininity. And just as importantly, her leadership was strong on its own and not just in comparison to diminished male characters around her. The men of Voyager are also strong, smart, wise, competent, reliable, etc. But there's no hesitation or question among them of Janeway's capabilities or authority. No attempt to usurp or condescend her either. For me, it's a very 24th Century type of leadership and command crew dynamic. I can't even explain how inspiring it was to watch Janeway and Voyager as a girl growing up. I'm glad you guys like her so far. :)

For me, Voyager is the comfort food Trek show. Not that it doesn't have its dark or emotional moments, but more so than TOS, TNG, or DS9, it's the one where you can just sit back, kick up your feet, and enjoy a fun hour of Star Trek.

For anybody who wants to stream this episode to sync up, Amazon Prime Video has the exact version they're watching, you just have to purchase it for two bucks.

I forgot how good this pilot actually was. Actually looking forward to rewatching this show now with you guys.

I'm glad you both enjoyed. You have now met my favourite Doctor, and favourite Klingon. Regarding Alex predicting the plot of Voyager in the DS9 discussion, that made me laugh at the time. I give The Caretaker B.

My prediction for Episode 3: You guys are going to love it.

Yes, when you pitched voyager many months ago, as what you thought DS9 might be. I remember smiling, and praying that no one would spoil Voyager for you at that point.

My general view. Good Opener. One of the better episodes of the whole series. Now, in general, Voyager is not my favorite of the old Star trek series. I prefer ToS, DS9 and TNG over Voyager. But there are alot of good episodes in Voyager and i am sure you will enjoy alot of it.

Decided to watch along with you... can't help but notice how quiet you guys were during it lol. What has been interresting, is that everything is as I remembered it, but the version you are watching has some of the scenes in a different order: remeeting the Caretaker, and Harry and B'Elana waking up were swapped. Also Janeway and Tuvok in her ready room, and meeting Neelix were swapped with Harry & B'Elana finding out about their "illness".

Now that we've finally gotten here, I can tell you something about an episode of TNG that you already watched. Tim Russ played a character in the episode "Starship Mine" where Picard basically has to do the Die Hard thing and take back his ship from terrorists. Tim Russ played one of the terrorists, and notably, Captain Picard takes his character down with a Vulcan neck pinch. Not making that up. I don't think they were already planning to make him a Vulcan in Voyager when they did that. I like the idea that Tuvok exists in a universe that had two different humans who looked exactly like him sans pointy ears. The other is his character in Star Trek Generations on the Enterprise B.

I have read the post which explains why it nearly impossible to watch this alongside you guys but would still ask the following: Is it please possible to show 2-3 seconds of clips at more regular intervals (or at least audio?) so it's easier to keep on top of it? No sure how hard it would be to re-post this but with a little more sync-ability. It would be appreciated by many of us i'm sure :)

Josh quoting Picard "I'm sure there's more interesting stuff out there...engage" Made me laugh hard. There has to be better stuff than this episode! hahaha

Actually, I gotta say... I understand the difference between "the best" and "my favorite." "The best" refers to writing, directing, acting, etc, etc.... that hits everything remarkably... and not just as though checking off boxes. But GENUINELY the best. "My favorite" calls upon elements that are more personal. Something that may not be objectively "perfectly written" but nonetheless resonates for me on a different level. I dislike "S-tier" because it moves beyond the scrutiny of intrinsic quality. The tiers of A, B, C, D, F.... belong to a coherent and congruous spectrum that is interested in quality. S-tier has little, if anything, to do with craft.... because S-tier is mostly designed to touch upon how something makes us feel PERSONALLY, for whatever reason. Those are 2 different agendas and spectrums. They're not compatible. S-tier is not a quality-evaluation tool; it sidesteps and de-prioritizes scrutiny of objective quality (or even subjective impression of quality) in favor of how something makes us feel personally. S-tier should not toss out, dismiss, or be exalted above genuine quality. Nah... as a writer.... I don't agree with the S-tier dismantling the Quality spectrum of tiers A, B, C, D, F. And no—subjective judgment of quality is not the same thing as a fully personalized “how it makes me feel” tier. .... There! I finally said it.

I'm very pleased you enjoyed the pilot as much as you did! I really like the setting and synopsis for the show. A much smaller starship compared to the Enterprise having to survive on its own 75 years away from home. It's a great scenario. And I never really thought about it before, but I think I agree that out of TNG, DS9, and Voyager this is the better of the pilots. So looking forward to the journey going forward!

As an adult rewatching Kes reminded me of my ex.

One thing you guys should be aware of. The consultant they hired for Native American culture for Chakotay’s character for the show was a conman who was not Native American and not in any way an expert about their cultures. His name was Jakie Marks but he went by Jamake Highwater. He reviewed every episode for “accuracy” on Native American topics.

I love hearing all your predictions lol

The original idea for Tom Paris was to have him be Nick Locarno, but the producers believed that Locarno's actions made him irredeemable so the character and background was changed to what Tom Paris is.

70,000 not 70,000,000 light years. The galaxy is about double that distance in diameter. 70 Million is many galaxies further away.

It's a solid enough pilot. A few pacing issues and it could do with introducing the crew a little better. It better than TNG's but not quite as good as DS9's imo. I personally think A+J aren't going to like large slabs of VOY but who knows. Curious to find out.

This will be the first time I've watched voyager and ds9 in airdate order so that's exciting for me. I hadn't researched voyager until last year after so long and came out liking the series more than I remembered. It will be fun to compare the shows ds9 and voyager directly as the air alongside and not just watching them straight through.

One of my daughters is just a couple of years older than you. She grew up with DS9 and especially Voyager. She loved Kate Mulgrew as Kathryn Janeway. As an adult she has said “*this* is how you write a strong female character”. It’s very natural, very real. This is a strong pilot. I’m glad you enjoyed it. I love Janeway, but overall I think the doctor is my favorite. But gosh I do love this batch of characters.

Someone has probably already said it, but the reason they rebranded Locarno to Paris is because of some writing credit dispute (most likely the writer had some kind of clause in the contract that they'd get paid each time their character was used again). There are some differences though - Paris actually graduated and was in Starfleet for a while before being kicked out and he actually came forward to admit his mistake (unlike Locarno who had to be narc'ed on by Wesley). Which I prefer, because it makes Tom Paris a redeemable character. Locarno was selfish and manipulative. Tom at least has a conscience and tries to do the right thing - even if he's bitter about how it turned out for him.

Since the series ended I’ve watched isolated episodes of VOYAGER but I’ve never done a complete series re-watch so this should be very interesting. I remember enjoying the pilot but not being blown away by it so I’m actually pleased the guys enjoyed it more than I did. Made for a pleasant re-watch experience. Enjoy the ride gentlemen, it’s going to be fascinating.

The Man Trap is not the pilot. Where No Man Has Gone Before is.

That sucks, it's not synced as per your post. Wish I could get a partial refund lol.

I like Neelix. He brings chaos and fun in the "boring" Federation. Just like Quark in this respect. The Water Tower, the Bubble Bath? So much fun! I also don't understand the hatred towards him, because he dates Kess. You watching a Sci FI Show, where 2 different Species other than Human are engaged, but the only thing you see is the Age difference from our Point of View? Also can someone please deactivate the Doctor? He is still waitng for the Shutdown Protocol! *shaking my Head*

Wow, that was a lot better than I remember. Definitely a very dense plot, but had a lot of great moments. I give it an A.

True Voyager fans do not need to “sync a copy.” They can simply watch Josh and Alex staring at them as they hit play on the 90-minute pilot they have stored in their head.

I'm really tired of the all powerful alien trope in ST by this point. I don't regard pilots as anything more than getting an ST show in motion. So job done in 'Caretaker'.

Well, I looked. I really did. There's currently no way for me to get the 90 minute version in this country. So that sucks.

I always find the happy sedate theme funny given that they lost a load of the crew and are stuck 70k ly from home.

which version is been watched as it is impossible to sync up with the one on paramount+

Solid pilot. I still wish we could have spent at least a few episodes with the crews before merging them. Seems like a missed opportunity

As far as pilots go I think this is best one you have seen. It does a good job introducing all the characters and setting up premise of the show.

I've been waiting for two years. Enjoy the pinnacle of Star Trek

I was watching along with the 2 part version on Paramount+ here in Ireland. It was totally out of sync with the version the guys watched. Full scenes were in different places in mine. Hope lfully it will all resolve itself when they move to 1 hour episodes.

I find it interesting you didn't even mention that we now have a black Vulcan. You have no idea how much of a fuzz that was and how many 'enlightened' fans tried to disguise their racism with 'but the TOS canon'.

Should have sent your parents the gift Harry. Chakotay has a crew but it is small enough to fill in those who died on Voyager in this beginning. Any time there is an odd unexplained camera shot I suspect a deleted scene we no longer can look up

Loved that video of Alex pitching Voyager a year ago :-D

I also think DS9 is the objectively best written series, but I like TNG and ENT more. And I have to acknowledge the brilliance of DS9 regardless of my personal preferences. Sometimes it coincides with objectively the best content, sometimes it doesn't. But it doesn't make it any less valid if it doesn't. But also, I think it's important to say that one's personal preference is never an objective measure of quality.

I can't wait to see you guys enjoy more episodes with Tovok, Jakota and of course our lovable Kempa

I feel like this is still the strongest pilot! I love all the TOS “pilots” but one never aired the other aired out of order and Where no Man has gone before was almost completely retconned. Spock , Kirk and Scotty were the only remaining characters. Sulu changed jobs. Modern Trek is very cinematic with Paramount + ‘s budget but have story problems.

So I watched some TOS and TNG as a child, (1980’s early 90’s) for us it was more ‘oh Trek is on, lets watch it’, not severe fans but I did remember large portions of 40-60 TNG episodes and the Voyage home. In my early twenties my stepdad watched Enterprise so I watched it with him. Then I found Voyager a couple years later and fell in love, I got the DVDs and watched it several times before reconnecting with TNG also through DVDs, then a few years later DS9, so I had no one telling me how this universe worked, by the time I got back to TNG and then DS9 I might have accepted enough of the Trek universe that most things people wonder watching TOS and TNG the first time never occurred to me. There is a lot about the Trek universe I just agreed to accept when choosing to watch, but crucially, no one told me details, I watched through multiple times before people on line started telling me anything about behind the scenes, or any names of anything in the future, or what to think of episodes or people or seasons before viewing, or how warp drive works, or anything else. If some of you didn’t have that, I am sorry. Lets give that to Josh and Alex as much as we can. (There are things I knew about DS9 before I got there which is bittersweet).

I think Janeway's decision is made a little bit easier because of the Kazon. Tuvok said it would have taken a few hours to set the array up and that was before the Kazon ship crashed into it, more Kazon ships were coming so they would have had to fight off the Kazon for hours before they would be able to maybe use the array.

I left a take about Kes, the writers wanted a species like humanoid mayflies, living a very short time, sounds awesome when you write it down but often transferring great ideas to the screen is problematic

Finished the full reaction. . Were there any trepidations about a woman captain for either of you two?? .. controversial at the time but Kate Mulgrew kicked ass lol

Listening to the discussion now.. and that red thing behind your head looks like a pretty red bow in your hair lol.. fix that haha..2:01:07

Tam elbrun..a full betazoid..from Tin man ..tng.. was a starfleet consultant.. observer if you will

Great reaction.. so many ties to DS9 and TNG.. Tim Russ also played the klingon in ds9 invasive procedures

Voyager Sex scoreboard? Ummm not sure. We at the sex scoreboard are not sure is Voyager full of sex crazed crew and guest stars or not. Do we have a Kirk or a Riker and Trio? Seems like a “maybe”. That Paris guy seems like a slut or wannabe but maybe not. Janeway looks like a scorer if she wants to, I mean come on… she already has had more game then Picard without even trying. We are not sure. DS9 does not give the vibe of freeeee-fuckin’-fun-times. But 70,000 light years away…just sayin that is a long without being a voyeur-(ager). We are just not that familiar with the series but let’s have a board or a bed board even. FIRST BOARD - no scores We can’t really say we have any evidence quite yet of boppin during the ep. All crew - 0 As always if you disagree please reply with your argument for or against. For anyone new to the sex scoreboard, I am sorry you have no play (kiddin'). The rules are straight forward. A notch on the bed post counts only once per pairing; must be inferred as happening during the ep (hence why Kez and Neelix are implying some previous banging but not counting this ep as the first.) The inferred is subjective. We do give a lot of "it coulda probably woulda" counts. We absolutely DO NOT PREVIEW future shaggin'. No one cares that you know what happens in the future for this board NO SPOILERS. Even if you know we count one or don't based on future episodes keep it to yourself. Part of the fun is correcting wrong calls a few eps later on so don't spoil it. If based on the ep you think we should have (or not) gave a wompa-wompa-wingo then reply and make your case. Many time on past shows we have revised the call BUT it must be a solid reason based on that ep or info from that ep that changes a past call. Finally, this is supposed to be light hearted, stupid fun for morons like the sex scoreboard.

"Why are we giving up going home for the Ocampa? They only live 9 years. Even dogs live longer than that!" - imagining a callous crew member

Potentially useless lore dump. Think of the galaxy as pie cut equally into 4 pieces, the top left is the Gamma quadrant, the top right is the Delta quadrant, the bottom left is the Alpha quadrant and the bottom right is the Beta quadrant. Earth borders both the Alpha and Beta half way down the between the two pieces.

DS9 = The GOAT TNG = Most rewatchable VOY = Comfort food

When Voyager first came out, Starlog magazine made the direct comparison between Voyager and Battlestar Galactica, even printed side by side photos where, from a certain angle, Voyager kinda resembles Galactica.

Also, added to the glossary of names pronounced wrongly: "Jakota" aka Chakotay

Like DS9, Voyager actually filmed 20 hours for Season 1 (the pilot plus 18 episodes). And then, for reasons I do not recall, they ended up holding four episodes to air as part of Season 2 instead, which is why there are only 16 hours in Season 1. So, the early part of Season 2 actually contains four episodes mixed in that are technically Season 1 episodes. It’s weird.

It's been a few years since I've re-watched Voyager. Nice to be back, glad you're finally here. I got a little choked up on that final scene on the bridge.

Welcome all newcomers to the Target Audience! Prepare for a great journey with these guys! Their perspectives actually have changed my view of many episodes! ( in a Good way) My only problem with Voyager, is that my ringtone is the Voyager's doorbell, so every time someone rings it, I go to answer my phone! lol enjoy the ride guys!

I'm really glad you liked the first episode. While I appreciate you guys reacting genuinely and not "faking it" (that's what she said), I still enjoy it when you... enjoy things. Will that happen all the time? Past reactions have me mixed. There were some episodes of TNG where you commented and made suggestions that made it sound like you'd enjoy Voyager's "vibe" all around. But y'all have also been (mostly) enjoying the substance of DS9 S3. I will say this (without spoilers). As much as I have a personal "dislike" for Voyager, it is most definitely DIFFERENT from DS9. So that wish you hinted at--for having a "different" kind of show as you flip back and forth between DS9 and VOY--well, expect wish to be granted. Whether or not it's a Monkey's Paw, I suppose only time will tell. I don't like to "hate-watch" things. I genuinely look forward to this journey. I like to imagine I'm going back to 1995 and re-doing the series with an open mind and a positive spirit. Just... learn to "read the room" with this show. I think most of Voyager is... well... DUMB. But "dumb" doesn't necessarily mean un-entertaining. Voyager is a very entertaining show. That same spirit is maybe... the only thing that has allowed me to tolerate stuff like Star Trek Discovery (or STD for short~)

The first Voyager episode I ever saw was the season 3 finale, well, part of it because I was a child and it was on very late at night. A little while later I was given some random season 4 and season 5 VHS tapes and I was hooked. Picked up a few more random VHS tapes over the next couple of years including the pilot and the finale, and eventually was able to watch a lot more episodes on television when one particular channel started airing it, but it wasn't until years later I was able to sit down and watch it from start to finish on Netflix. I gotta say I love the show while recognizing its flaws, but I do wonder what my opinion on the show would have been if I'd watched it in air date order from the beginning like y'all and others here have done...

So glad you enjoyed it this much! Very excited for what's to come. I hope you continue liking the show. I just love Janeway and this crew! I think it's true what you said about Voyager fans almost feeling embarrassed or defensive at times for loving it so much in the face of so many others who are so outspokenly ambivalent or critical of the show. It has its flaws, I can admit that, but all of that doesn't matter to me so much as how it made me feel when watching it growing up and the impact characters like Janeway had on me. So yes, it's my favourite.

Everything is always about money. The DS9 Maquis episodes were indeed to set up Voyager. Berman, Piller, and Taylor created the concept of the Maquis for Voyager. Their names were added to the "story by" credits on Maquis 1 & 2, so the DS9 writers could never claim royalties for Voyager. Ira Behr has voiced his displeasure about them thinking he could sue them someday etc. Tom Paris was created so they could avoid paying the First Duty writers a per episode fee for using Nick Locarno. Glad you guys enjoyed the pilot. Lots of great episodes ahead.

The concept they came up with for the character of Kes is an interesting one. Given her age and if Voyager lasts for as many seasons as the next generation, she should basically reach the end of her life at the end of the show, having spent basically her entire life with our crew.

It's 70.000 light-years back to the Alpha Quadrant, not 70 millions. But still a way to go.

Yes, Neelix is having a relationship with a two year old. That was not lost on audiences in the 90s.

Omg I never realized the Steve Urkel comparison but its so true! Enjoyed your character discussions. Are you aware Tim Russ is the comb guy from Space Balls?

Oh, by the way, you now know the irony of Tim Russ being given the Vulcan Nerve Pinch by Picard in Starship Mine.

Oh, God!! You said something that made me laugh hard....and I can't tell you. Lol

This is the fulfilment of a plan by Paramount: launch a network of their own and have a Star Trek show as the flagship. It took 18 years and two syndicated series. But the plan finally became a reality.

Far away from Starfleet = no more Badmirals!

Watching this show was a pain in the ass. Direct TV didn't have UPN, so we had to use rabbit ears (antenna) to find it. It came on at like 1am, so we needed to set the VCR to record it. But, it was always worth it. I also remember downloading the Next week's trailer online. Downloading a two minute trailer, with dial-up, generally took 10-15 minutes. Dam, times have changed. Lol Glad you enjoyed it!!

This has probably been said, but Tom Paris is a copy/different character because they didn't want to pay the writer.

Robert Picardo was also in Inner Space (1987) as a fun role.

Let’s give it up to Richard Poe as Gul Evek, as far as I know, the first actor to play the SAME character on three different Trek shows.

A space faring warp capable race that can't find water, so dumb. And introducing TEMU Klingons, aka The Kazon. And Jar Jar Neelix Epstein is along for the ride. The best thing about Voyager is it made Berman/Braga too busy to interfere with DS9.

I've been saying for years that Voyager is my favorite series but DS9 is the best. They are very different things to me, DS9 is the best written without question. But Voyager is the one that I have rewatched the most.

I forget sometimes how much I love Voyager

I can only assume there must be many thousands of people watching the full length reaction right now. That is the only reason why I can think of that after only 5 minutes I have had to restart paramount+ three times. You guys are causing a server meltdown. They should pay you money for all the extra subs paramount + gets because of YOU!!!! oh the circle is gone let's try again lol

I dont know if it's true but I read that the Paris character was supposed to be Nick Locarno but because the first duty was a spec script, the writer owns the character and they would have had to pay residual for every episode he appeared in. As such they just changed his name.

You have seen Tuvok's actor many times: he played in TNG episode Starship Mine, then a Klingon in DS9, and finally you also saw him on the bridge of the Enterprise B in Star Trek Generations.

I believe Sulu was considered a full time helmsmen, right? Also Geordi in season 1. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Kind of cool that Voyager is about the same size as TOS Enterprise, makes the series feel a little more TOS...

While Voyager is my least favorite out of the Big 3 (I will most likely never watch it again after this watchalong), I will say this is the best pilot by far. Also, the first season is SOLID! 8.5 out of 10 for the pilot. (I stopped giving letter grades)

Thank god they like the cast/show, or it was going to be a long 7 seasons... 🖖

That was a marathon watch. Good job putting in the work on that one. I think people say Voyager is their favorite but will say something like TNG or DS9 is 'better" as their way of acknowledging the many flaws of this show as a whole. Some people can overlook them and just say it's the best, my best friend is one of those people. And some people see the many issues and acknowledge they still absolutely love it regardless of it. I love Voyager...mostly. The highs are truly high. The lows are really low and... Honestly, you probably will like them based on your track record lol. But there's also a whole lot of mid. But I am happy you're starting your journey, it's the shiny new toy and I hope you guys enjoy it.

Just blown away guys and despite watching my UK version, it was worth a few pauses here and there to watch this reaction. The UK sync issue only happens on pilot episodes. It seems that the UK and US pilot was edited to appeal to our different t cultures..

"Chakota" 😆

To all you who give spoilers.... especially those people who think they're being cute, clever, coy, or vague in the process.... ... Just stop. (Yes, I dared to say it. But my saying THIS is less offensive than those who keep dropping spoilers.)

Interesting thing about Robert Picardo. He originally he wanted to read for the part of Nelix. He ended up reading for the doctor. It was the secene where everyone gets beamed away without turning him off. He read the part about someone forgot terminate his program. He then adlibbed "I'm a doctor not a night lite!" and got the part.

I was surprised to see dick miller in the last Ds9, and Picardo in this, I am guessing Picardo got Miller into the Graham Bell episode. Those two always guest star in Joe Dante films.

What a present! I'm flabbergasted! (It's one of my favorite English words as a non-native speaker :D )

Great reaction guys, very much enjoyed this one! At 3:12, is this your longest reaction so far?

You guys mentioned that you find it odd that people love voyager but say it isn't the best. I feel the same way. Voyager is great and has a lot of good stuff but ds9 is the better show. Though janeway captain is best captain :D

'Have Voyager fans been beaten into submission?' Well, ehhhm, kind of. I watched both when they aired with my then best friend and his wife. We guys clearly prefered DS9, she loved VOY. We were two to one and of course 'real' fans who knew better than a female 'casual viewer'. Oh boy. I am ashamed of myself today, but you know I was young - younger than your current age - and it was the 90s.

They didn't make Tom Paris the same character from First Duty (Nick Locarno).... ..because the original writers of First Duty would be entitled to ongoing royalties.... and perhaps consultation and approval rights. When trying to cast Tom Paris, the creators of Voyager kept saying they wanted an actor with the same vibe that the actor (Robert Duncan McNeill) had in First Duty. They couldn't find any... and then finally someone said, "Why don't you just hire Robert Duncan McNeill?" So they did.

Great thing about 90s trek is even if there is only 8 good episodes a season that's still a 56 hour marathon. That's longer than most Amazon, Netflix, apple tv sci fi series get before being canceled. 56 hours over 13 episodes a season. That's a 4 season long Netflix hit!

So glad you guys liked it! I had an atypical journey. My first exposure to Trek were the re runs of Voyager back on Spike TV. I started with voyager, and worked my way backwards to TOS, the opposite direction as you guys. I admit VOY may not have quite as many bangers as DS9 and TNG, but VOY will always have a place in my heart as the most fun and nostalgic (for me at least).

Rewatching this with the guys, one thing you can definitely say is that the show is the show right from the pilot. This era of Star Trek is a pretty well-oiled machine at this point, and Voyager knows what it is and hits the ground running right out of the gate.

Josh and Alex- its implied that Mark is Janeway's boyfriend since he says he went over to her house to pick up the dog's bed and watch her pet while she is out of the area for a few weeks. So they aren't living together. ALSO this implies that this is likely to be the first mission as captain of this ship. If they had been in deep space Mark would already have the dog and she would have "had the chance to get to know her crew" that died as she laments to Tuvok. We see Harry, Tom and the Betazoid woman Tom was hitting on in the shuttle craft all seem to be checking in for the first time. The woman complaining about Tom hitting on her at High Warp was exposition talking about 14 decks and 141 crew members as they were approaching to dock at DS9, and mentions the new bioneural circuitry that speeds up the computer control of the ship and new warp engines that go Warp 9.975 (and comply with the Warp 5 speed limit) It would seem that while Sisko was picking up the Defiant offseason before S3E1 of DS9 that Starfleet designed a new type of smaller exploration ship like Voyager with this new tech

I first watched the Voyager premiere when I was 15, but I only lasted four or five episodes before I drifted away. Years later, around Season 6, I caught some reruns and got hooked! By the time the finale aired, I was fully caught up. It’s now my second favorite series, just behind TNG. It’s not perfect, but no show is. At 15, DS9 felt a bit too serialized and 'soap opera' for my taste, though I’ve since come to appreciate it and have seen all the heavy-hitting episodes.

Missed opportunity to add a couple seconds of trumpet into your disclaimer in the intro lol :P

Tom was kicked out of Starfleet before he joined the Marquis. If you'll recall his conversation with Harry in this episode; he screwed up while piloting a shuttle, which caused some people died, and he initially tried to falsify reports to make himself look better, before eventually confessing. After being kicked out of starfleet he was angry at the world and decided to join the Marquis.

You're right, Josh, Gene would've probably hated this series.

Let's fuckin' GO! Teary eyes and chills from Janeway's pep talk speech. Followed you guys on YT since "The Mantrap" and looked forward to your VOY reactions all this time. Had to get on board Patreon for these. Really love how Janeway's character seems to be written to find a middle ground between Kirk's "Cowboy Diplomacy" and Picard's hard ass by-the-book approach (early seasons anyway). Always love your genuine, no BS reactions. Here's to the journey! 🍾

Geordi was the original TNG helmsman. Then it was Wesley for a while, and then when they wrote Wesley off it just became a sort of revolving door of ensigns. Sometimes they'd recur for a bit, sometimes it was a rando.

For what its worth the actor considers Tom and Nick as two different people

I believe they felt that Nick Locarno's arc was a little bit on the irredeemable side. Locarno refused to fully accept responsibility, even when given the chance. He admitted partial guilt but still frames himself as a victim of circumstances, not as the cause. As contrasted to Paris who's conscience eventually led him to confess.

I am not even going to help you pronounce names, you will hear them enough. Josh, first I would love an episode that just focuses on characters, but when you were saying it you reminded me of a reverse Sherlock Holmes, he would say ‘you should just write a list of facts’ you ‘just tell me of characters’ Watson in every case ‘you still need a story structure to do so.’

You have so much to see. I will probably watch again in on Sunday

As someone outside of the US, by using a VPN and resubscribing to Paramount Plus via a third party like the Roku channel, I was able to finally access the 90 minute uncut version of the pilot if that's useful information for anybody. What a pain in the ass that process was...

Fucking awesome. I am so happy that you 2 are having success with the channel.

Man, as cited in earlier posts, Paramount have done a great job of making this virtuality impossible to watch along with. I have no idea where Josh and Alex are half the time. I may have to bail out at this rate. So disappointed.

Tom Paris was originally intended to be Nick Lucarno; but the writers decided that character was too irredeemably awful, so they changed it to a new character with a similar background. Also, you might have noticed how Voyager's warp Nacelles look different to what you've seen in other star trek shows and the pylons can tilt up and down - if you read some of the supplementary technical writings that were released together with the show; you'll learn that these changes allow this ship, and presumably all new ships, to get around problems caused by warp travel as discovered in Force of Nature.

Some major sync issues here. The paramount plus version of this episode appears to have entire scenes arranged in different order. I'm hoping it's just weirdness associated with the premiere.

I bought the season on amazon so not having issues with sync. I do like how Tom instantly went full starfleet

Paramount+ is shit. They did cut a lot of scenes and rearranged them. This makes it impossible to follow this reaction

Very curious to see what you make of Voyager and the pilot. Will watch later. I’ve often thought Janeway effortlessly dominates the screen in a way Sisko doesn’t in his fist season. You should check out the Geneviève Bujold scenes that were recorded before she quit.

Tbh, I did upgrade my membership, but not because I want to see VOY so badly, but because I have to wait even longer for DS9 episodes now and wanted to counter that as best as I could. 😭 I'll probably watch some of the VOY episodes too, when they have rewatch value, but will be mostly skipping to the discussion to hear your thoughts.

You guys are intrepid explorers (voyagers) for tackling this massive franchise in good faith, and you're entering the era where you really get the payoff. With back-to-back DS9 and Voyager, plus all the established lore from TNG and TOS, the back half of the '90s made the Star Trek universe so much more wild and wonderful than it ever had been before. Enjoy the ride.

Firstly, many thanks for posting this early! Unfortunately, I’m finding it impossible to follow along with paramount plus, for some stupid reason they’ve reordered half of the scenes. I noticed that they also cut a ton of stuff out as compared to the Netflix version. Thanks Paramount, great job 👏

I'm one of those people that doesn't have access to the 90 minute version so this is gonna be interesting/painful

The growth is proof Voyager fans do exist. Either that or very vocal complainers lol. Time will see.

Even Target Audience won't compete with the super bowl? Looks like I have aa full Friday night of The Pitt, A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms, and Voyager!

Hell yeah, I know what Im doing after work today! Thanks guys

Can’t wait to watch your journey through Voyager…it’s not a show I’m particularly fond of, but it’s fun watching others watch to see if they enjoy it or can offer new perspectives that might change my mind (though sadly one of my biggest problems with the show is that I just don’t like some of the regular characters, which is pretty unique to this series. Almost all the other Treks I enjoy all the main cast) Unfortunately, I’m in the UK and I’ve only got 10 minutes in and it’s been such a struggle to line up the version on paramount to your reaction that for this pilot, I’ll have to wait for the edited cut.

Lets go! And I am actually NOT at work for once!

Almost first...DS9 fan who tolerates VOY since its his wife's favorite Trek and he admires Janeway, B'Elanna and other strong female characters but despises what UPN suits did to the writing in search of mass appeal. Neelix = Jar Jar, dating a 2 year old who lives to age 9 is cringe Water is H20= Hey Kazon- you are warp capable, breathe Oxygen and can scoop up Hydrogen floating in space to make water, you cyberpunk wannabe Klingons Still have watched most episodes 9-11 times each, not in order except for my first run watch when it aired, still better than all the recent crappy sequels

Wow! Do you guys know when I am having a bad day! Thanks for this. And for giving me 90 more minutes of Superbowl Analysis. 🖖

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WHAT?? Yay! Be right there have to make fries