UNCUT - The Pegasus (TNG S7E12) | Star Trek Journey 301

Great episode

Ha. After being so adamant about it never being mentioned again, it’s funny that they just gabbed their way right through the Admiral giving Picard permission to exceed warp speed limitation and didn’t even notice.

Whilst the Treaty of Algeron, wasn't Directly referenced in TOS, The treaty arose from the Tomed Incident in 2311, which then established the Romulan Neutral Zone, which was a key detail in the TOS episode "Balance of Terror". So one thing results from the other , when it comes to the Federation & the Romulans staying out of the Gaza Strip thru Canon

Decker was a Commodore, which would make him the lowest level flag rank, similar to Brigadier General. The US Navy currently does not have Commodore as an official rank though.

they don't sign NDAs....information is classified and ALL officers have to adhere to rules in general and also maintaining security of classified info.

Not sure the guys caught the reference to the warp speed limits...from the environmental episode they didn't like

One of the best episodes of this season. S tier and all that. The Treaty of Algeron is one of the more argued things in ST circles. The fact that the Federation gave up cloaking tech pisses a lot of people off in those circles. I sort of get it, as giving up a technology with so much potential seems like a loss. I tend to think that the Federation simply didn't need the technology, despite a few Starfleet admirals that might disagree. By the time the Treaty of Algeron was signed, The Federation had been allies with the Klingons for a long time and could call upon their cloaking-capable ships in a war to reinforce the Federation fleet.

def the best of the season

Look they can't make the crew of the Enterprise the baddies, Roddenberry dictated and at this point they were still honering him, so they had to make some at starfleet the baddies, but its a small percentage and the Captain and crew had to be gallant

One of my favorites of the series! When I saw the enterprise cloak when this episode premiered, as a kid I thought it was just so interesting. Great reaction guys!

You were speaking over this line so i'm not sure if you caught it, but when Picard talked to the Admiral at the beginning she told him he could exceed warp speed limits. So, see it was mentioned again😋

How very true Josh, we all have our cringe moments about mistakes or bad choices we made. Yeah i tend to put them at the back of my mind then every so often i just randomly think of something i said or did, and in my head i' m thinking 'oh fucking hell i don't want to remember this'. lol

I love this one too, obvious S. As for what Alex asked what would i do if i was Riker 12 years ago...an Ensign, 7 months out of the Academy. I know this might not make me sound good, but i'd probably check which side the female officer i fancied the most was on, and support her. At least that's an honest answer lol. In every job i've ever worked i' ve done just that, supporting a girl i was close to over the Managers, only one of which was my girlfriend at the time. For me love counts more than promotion.

This is the kind of Riker episode we've been missing since Best of Both Worlds

Am I crazy or are really all TNG and DS9 videos on your TuTube channel gone?

The Pegasus is a standout episode for me. I wouldn't put it in my top 10 for the series, but top 20 for sure. Easy S tier for me. Riker not letting his captain beam down back when he was XO of the Hood was one of his and Picard's first conversations back in Encounter at Farpoint. Nice callback here at the opposite end of the series. Like others I question signing such a lopsided treaty, but there are clues as to why they did. In The Neutral zone the Tomed Incident was mentioned as the last time the Romulans were encountered for over 50 years. The age of the Treaty of Algeron lines up with that incident. Furthermore, in The Defector, Jarok said "The new leaders have vowed to discard the treaty and claim the Neutral Zone. Nelvana Three is just the first step". Based on that, you can gather that the Treaty of Algeron led to the establishment of the Neutral Zone. With that in mind, I can see that starfleet would view having a buffer with the Romulans to maintain peace would be worth giving up cloaking tech, especially since they hadn't been using them up to that point anyway. None of the eps or movies between Enterprise Incident and TNG featured starfleet ships cloaking. Sirol was a fun Romulan. So pleasant in his disposition, but absolutely zero attempt to hide being a bullshitter. Both he and Picard know they're lying to each other's faces, and Sirol is just here for the game. Pressman is a memorable "badmiral", but something about the guy ribs me the wrong way. With Maxwell what he did was terrible, but he was a broken man with genuine concerns, not an egomaniac. There's a couple other examples of unhinged starfleet officers that are more understandable but that would be spoilers to get into. With Pressman, there's far too much ego driving what he's doing. Sure I can understand the sentiment that starfleet is at a tactical disadvantage without cloaks, but it's not academic to say the treaty HAS kept the peace. If war has been avoided for 60 years, it was clearly worth it. And if developing it now STARTS a new war, I don't see how that's justified. There are a thousand other ways to level the playing field. Their tachyon sensor nets are just 1. Also between Pressman's constant insistence on blind loyalty and that smarmy look he gave when they were flying through the asteroid like he's a fuckin genius for inventing the thing(when really it would have been the engineers/scientists working for him), I just see a guy completely consumed with his own legend. Also zero remorse for his dead crew. Great character, but he's a scumbag. Overall, this is probably my favourite Riker episode. We've all had lapses in judgement in the past, things we regret. The question is do we learn from them and grow. Riker absolutely did. The scene in Picard's quarters is legendary. Picard does not abide the "just following orders" excuses, because he has set a better example than that for 7 years. But caught between 2 commanding officers, one who demands he follow orders blindly, and another who demands he does the right thing no matter what, in the end Riker shows just how much he's learned from Picard since Farpoint.

I know I wrote a big post about how it is a perfect episode that got read out, and one of my favorite of S7, but I am not sure if it is in my top 10 of TNG. Cause while I think it is technically perfect Trek Episode, hitting all the right notes, that doesn't mean it works on every level. Compare it to "The Offspring" or "Yesterday's Enterprise" they make you feel more, but this makes no missteps.

Riker had his "First Duty" moment

You know, these days, this episode's plot seems.... quaint. So much bluster and outrage over what is really commonplace nowadays. A "Great Power" is worried about breaking a treaty, oh no! Meanwhile in the real world, EVERY country breaks EVERY treaty the moment said treaty becomes inconvenient. There are no honorable politicians really interested in doing the right thing for the sake of doing the right thing, and citizens punish any politician that does the right thing instead of what would advantage them. That is certainly not true now, and I can't actually see that happening in the future. Absolutely fantastic episode, one of the season's S-tiers, but it's funny what us young idealists thought really happened back in the 1990s.

he was talking to worf in the drumhead

The reason that the treaty has the stipulation of the federation not developing cloaking technology could be because the Federation’s space is so much larger than the Romulan empire, and most of the Romulan empire is surrounded by the Federation

In the cold open the admiral says something like: “you’re authorized to exceed warp speed limitations for this mission”.

23:08 Finally, we get to the best scene in TNG! Been waiting ages for this one!

I really like this episode. I love the guest performance by Terry O'Quinn. (I, too, loved him on LOST.) The fact that Starfleet Intelligence is conducting cloaking experimentation in secret really makes me wonder what is in that treaty. What did the Romulans concede? Is it so hopeless to go back to them and ask to renegotiate? A lot of fans wail about the Federation making bad treaties, but we have no idea what was on the other side of that. Are the Romulans willing to risk war to stop the Federation from doing this?

They wrote this episode because the show runner got tired of being asked at conventions why the Federation didn’t have a cloaking device after Kirk and Spock went to all the trouble of stealing one in The Enterprise Incident. It’s a good enough explanation, but I always wondered why the Federation would sign such a ridiculously lopsided treaty. There must have been some incident between TOS and TNG where the Romulans had the Federation by the balls.

The Romulans themselves were shown to be trying to develop an interphasic cloaking device in previous episodes like the one where Ro and Geordi "die"

I assume the phasing is their method for accomplishing a "cloak." Since we've already seen that phased matter is invisible to observers (a la "The Next Phase"), it makes sense that they weren't developing cloaking *and* phasing technology simultaneously, they're developing phasing technology for its side effect of invisibility. Romulan phasing tech obviously operates on a different principle altogether. So the idea of "separating" the technologies isn't possible: Starfleet's version is a singular technology.

My personal favorite Admiral, sorry the cowardice of the Fed did you in bro

Would you sit at a poker table again with Commander "We set a higher standard around here" Riker after learning about this? I think I would at least want to know how many of the Pegasus crew did he personally kill while they were trying to defend the Treaty and he grabbed a phaser and defended His Captain.

The entries for "Captain Picard Day" were sourced from two local elementary schools and the children of property master

Not sure how I feel about you both viewing Starfleet as a monolith evil organization, rather than an altruistic one with bad actors. Where the conflict of the organization is in a constant push/pull between pragmatism and idealism coming from those in power.

Alex, I really like that John Locke is one of your favorite TV characters of all time. But I really hate you watched 'Lost' already. I hoped for a run on the channel after your Star Trek Journey. Well, see you in another life, brother.

NO SPOILERS PLEASE!!!...😬

Did you hear the "allowance to exceed warp speed limitations for this mission"? Figured I'd hear more of dig hahaha. Pretty good episode though IMO.

As good as this is, it still feels to me like TNG never regained the sharpness of S3 to S6. Even the best of S7 feels a bit 'soft' to me both in the writing and the production aspects. I don't know how much of the dynamics of a TV show depend on momentum behind the scenes, but I just get the sense that there wasn't the same degree of focus among the writing/production team.

One of the best of the series. Shades of “The Enterprise Incident” and “The Doomsday Machine.” Love every minute of it.

It was Worf that Picard speaks to at the very end of Drumhead, because Worf had been swept up in the security frenzy and believed in the process so fervently, he couldn't see what was happening. But yes, Pegasus is a fantastic episode. I have no complaints. Similar to Josh it's not one of my all-time favorites but it's still damn good.

Also, 'Ensign Baby Face' - Possible new wrestling alias for Alex?

New: Key brush lore!

I have never once cared about them talking over dialogue but after weeks of the jokes about them never talking about warp speed limits again they rolled right over the reference! lmao

my favorite Season 7 episode

I’ve always considered to be a pseudo sequel to the episode where Geordi and Ro get out of phase. Like maybe the Romulans were trying to reverse engineer this and had a similar accident.

Badmiral alert!

Warp speed limit mentioned start on episode by admiral. They did permit to exceed warp speed limit.

This episode is definitely a favorite of mine. S+

You know, I always noticed this episode's score really stood out, and watching the end credits I see John Debney did the music. Still not Ron Jones, but definitely a step or 2 above the typical later season TNG fare.

After watching this reaction, I can't help but think how much I love the number 31. Such a good number, you know?

From your reactions both previously and in this episode to the name "Crazy Horse", I assume you're unaware of the historic native American by that name. Crazy Horse was the Oglala Lakota war leader who fought against and defeated General George Custer at the Battle of the Little Bighorn in 1876.

These are the voyages.. 😝 good Riker lore episode. Probably one of Frakes best performances when he’s telling Picard about the firefight and pushing back against Pressman.

As much as I gave Inheritance a little bit of bad mouthing for cramming in more Data Lore (🥁) this late in the game, for me, it's welcome with Riker and this one. It ties a bit of his character together, like why Riker would stand up to Picard (or even Jellico) when they make a seemingly wrong move. It's probably my favorite this season, though there are other good ones coming that give it a run for its money.

Back in the pre-DVD days when the show was only available for purchase on VHS, there were two episodes per tape. The tape with "Parallels" and "The Pegasus" was one of my favourites.

Interesting connection: they signed this treaty with the Romulans 60 years ago, about the same time as the "Tomed Incident," mention in The Neutral Zone that cost thousands of lives. The Romulans disappeared for 60 years after that.

The bit about Riker refusing to let Captain DeSoto beam down was actually mentioned in Encounter at Farpoint, but this is the first time Picard's said it was the reason he picked Riker. DeSoto appeared on the viewscreen in Tin Man.

The Captain Picard Day bit wasn't just about fun. It was about Picard as a role model. Riker's first Starfleet role model taught him to shut up and follow orders, and lead him astray. Picard, his latest role model, encourages him to stand up for himself and his beliefs, and helped make him who he is now. Also, look how warm his relationship with Picard is in those scenes, and how scared he is to just see Pressman.

Warp speed limit mentioned

Guys forgot about Satie (however it's spelled) the women who investigated the "sabotage"

Easy S tier - the great Terry O’Quinn, Riker lore so much to love here.

I know this is a weird observation to make, but everytime the Romulan captain was on the viewscreen it looked he was standing in front of a giant N64 cartridge.

I forgot how many times Data says "It is theoretically possible, sir" this episode...

He was so busy making a joke he missed the admiral giving them permission to exceed the warp speed limit.

Obviously, you're fans of Lost. Nothing wrong with that. I think Terry O'Quinn played this character before Lost first aired. On another note, I bring up the TNG episode The Next Phase. The Romulams also experimented with this technology. It didn't go well for them, or for Geordi and Ro either.

Decker in "The Doomsday Machine" wasn't a captain. He was a commodore... which WAS (at the time that episode was written) the first rank of admiralty. Today, the O-7 rank is called "Rear Admiral Lower Half."

I just remembered how bad i wanted to talk about something Riker said in season 1's COMING OF AGE ... They were investigating Picard ... but at one point Riker asks if they are investigating him. And he seemed genuinely concerned. Of course I realize it was simply throw away dialogue... but it sure does fit with this episode. Riker really did have reason to worry that he was the one being investigated.

You talked over them mentioning warp speed limits!

You apes talked right over the show mentioning that the Enterprise was authorized to use full warp speed for this assignment.

I love Terry O'Quinn!

Lore 🤌