PATRON TAKES - DS9 S2E7

First thing we see is Odo telling Morn there's "no sleeping on the promenade". Fascist!

Question: Is there anything you would like to subvert about the culture or “rules”of the Ferengi going forward that would open up storytelling possibilities?

Servant Showdown: Mr Homn VS Maihar'du. Who do you prefer?

The return of Wallace Shawn Give me some more Negas episodes

Let me pour up a glass of Tulaberry Wine, love this episode!

Not the strongest episode, but I like how it explores the realities, including bigotry, of Ferengi society. I do like Quark figuring out Zek's goal is really to contact some mysterious Dominion instead of actually setting up the trade deal.

I love this episode so goddamn much; easily one of my favorites. It's one of the bits I think about the most when my mind goes back to S2.

DS9 showing up TNG again on how to handle the Ferengi well!

I feel like this is one of a string of : meh:: DS9 episodes. It’s frustrating to have a good opener and fall back to “meh”. But - and this may be the first time you’ve heard this - it gets better 🙂. I dunno, maybe you guys will like this.

I wonder what they think of the Ferengi being strategic enough to try to explore the Gamma Quadrant on their own in search of money. That is how the "New World" was colonized by Europe- not the utopian idea of science Star Trek has....that is the power of having a mix of Federation and non-Federation powers in DS9 as part if storytelling

I like this episode, but I like DS9 Ferengi.

This episode was surprisingly good as I’m not the biggest fan of Ferengi episodes.

This episode should have been called "Ferengi" - somehow still entertaining

Overall I like this episode, but one thing always bothered me: Pel is supposed to be this smart and unconventional rule breaker, but then she's quickly willing to throw away all she accomplished for the love of a man and she just can't control those pesky "female" emotions of hers. (As Quark said "Spoken like a true Female".) Using this kind of trope kinda undermines the intent of the story.

You like "The Nagus"? Good, here's some more, and shows some long term growth of our leads and secondary characters. B.

I wonder if they’ll pick up on Pel’s gender before the reveal.

This episode is one of my favorites and probably about when I started appreciating Ferengi episodes. Pel gave the Ferengi depth by finally introducing a female member of the species and a rebel to boot. The Nagus also showed a less cartoonish and more strategic side of Ferengi acquisitiveness in this episode in my opinion. Ive always particularly enjoyed the moment between Quark & Pel, where he admits he does care about the cultural rules - it was one of his moments of true honesty and realistic for that character and culture. As a woman from a very conservative culture who finally broke out, I always root for Pel and hope she is out there raking in the latinum!

If you don’t like this. “SHAME ON YOU!”

The Federation is all about tolerance, and the Ferengi are a perfect foil for that attitude; how can you 'tolerate' a greedy misogynistic race of untrustworthy schemers? Then the writers have Dax swoop in to make an interesting case.

After so many heavy episodes with children dying and being taken away by space nazis to be reconnected to his roots… I am Actually glad to see a “ funny” ferengui episode, even if it’s WOKE GARBAGE!

This show is great at taking small things said in passing in prior episodes and giving them room to breathe. Their “Females mustn’t do business” line is a surprisingly good foundation given it was essentially a gag when the Ferengi were introduced.

This is the first GOOD™ Ferengi episode of the series imo. They only get better from here.

Do you like Ferengi episodes yet?

A mid-range episode, although important to the series overall. The change in the Nagus when he's confronting Quark about Pel makes you wonder if his goofiness is just an act. The very opening when Odo tells Morn to go home, and he heads straight to the bar always makes me grin.

I don't consider this a mere comedy episode because there's some very tight storytelling going on here, and no wasted moments. I love it, A.

Additional thoughts this also feels, along with circle trilogy, further rehabilitation of Jadzia giving her stuff outside of technobabble. Love the scene with Pel. A subtle way of showing how same sex relationships are just accepted.

This one is more than the sum of its parts. Nice to get ferengi & gamma quadrant world building on top of character development for quark & dax.

Nice to see Zek again, and get a glimpse at Ferengi culture. Flawed at times, but far better than anything TNG gave us.

Question: What would you like to see from the Gamma Quadrant going forward that differentiates it from the conventional aliens and societies we have seen so far?

Finally an (almost) serious Ferengi episode! Pel is the first Ferengi character who is not a 100% over-the-top ridiculous caricature, but a real person. (Well, other than Dr. Reyga from "Suspicions", but that episode doesn't really count) This episode did for the Ferengi, what "Half a Life" did for Lwaxana Troi.

I like this one. I especially like that to Dax, Pel being in love with quark is no big deal when she thinks Pel is a guy, and she's genuinely surprised when Pel says she's a woman.

The earlier Ferengi episodes are in so many ways just a very faint shadow of what the later ones pull off so, so much better. This is no exception.

Famous composer Richard Wagner was a staunch antisemite, yet one his closest friends was Jewish fellow composer Felix Mendelssohn. This is the tale of a man trapped between two worlds, his culture and his friendship.

„IT’S A FEMALE!!!“

A mid episode with some fairly funny moments and one of the greatest line readings in all of Trek. I predict the Nagus crying "Shame on You" at the end will echo through your mind long after every single other detail of this episode has been forgotten.

I always enjoy Ferengi episodes in DS9

Sorry boys, still in the second season slog, Meh C-

The Dosi come across like a mix of Ferengi and Mexican wrestlers, or something. Even if it's not the strongest entry, nice to be getting some Gamma Quadrant lore given how much S1 neglected to explore it.

Starting off with a closeup on Morn's face is smart! Like Julia Roberts' iconic laugh, that's money in the bank, baby!

I like how the Ferengi attitudes towards women are written in there from the beginning, in a subtle way in some entertaining scenes. It sets things up really well. I like this new side of Dax, too, as the fun loving card player.

There's a brief bit of dialogue where Jadzia supports Pel's love of Quark right before she learns Pel is actually female. It's a subtle way to include Trek's diversity without being so obvious that it freaks out the local tv network censors.

Great episode! Very Shakespearean.

Delving deeper into Ferengi society, and the Gamma Quadrant a bit. Again, it's another sitcom-ish episode like "The Nagus." Still have no idea how you'll feel about it. I like it more than that first one, personally.

Poor Pel. I have to admire her gumption and her business talents. While I appreciate the obvious political commentary, I do also appreciate the idea of letting the Ferengi stay being Ferengi, instead of just writing them to suddenly evolve into humans. Having a strikingly different culture seems more interesting to me.

Ho-hum episode, but it is the first time they show a Ferangi woman.

i enjoyed this episode way more than i thought i would 😅

My take on this episode is that iv sat for 5 minutes trying to think of something to say. So that’s my take. It’s not bad, it’s just very… ok… sure… whatever.

I always thought the Dosi looked a little ridiculous, but it’s ok I enjoy the story

for me the best scene is the office meeting, Sisko and kira treat the Grand Nagus like he Quark and not the leader of entire race and a financial empire, and he walks out effective bribing both the federation and bajor representative to stay out of his business, love it

A guilty pleasure of mine. I like the Ferengi stuff and the Gamma Quadrant gets some development. Tho the Dosi are a bit of a joke race really.

THE NAGUS!!!!!!!

I love that we're digging deeper into Ferengi society.

Finally getting some Gamma Quadrant lore