UNCUT - The Homecoming (DS9 S2E1) | Star Trek Journey 279
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DS9 sex scoreboard catch up version No scores that I saw (remember I am only catching up with the short versions) The sex score board Chief 1 Keiko 1 Quark 1 Odo 1 DETAILS: Quark and the Boslic captain? Tough call. We are going to say no but open to be talked into a yes.
"I can see you're not ready to have this conversation." BASED Jake strikes again!
If you want a real treat,check out Langela as Zorro with Ricardo Montabaln as the heavy! It's on YouTube free!
Frank is still alive. 87 years old
I was watching a podcast where they’re making fun of Kira and O’Brien‘s hooker plan. It’s funny they’re like who came up with this plan. It’s like it’s one step below Bugs Bunny in a dress!
I've been watching Babylon 5 and Deep Space 9 because they ran concurrently... and B5 is so much better, but it forced Deep Space 9 to get better.
"2 parter" "2 parter" "2 parter" :D ...and now for the CONTINUATION
Frank Langella isn’t dead. He’s 87 now.
"I'm not dead!" "He says he's not dead" "I'm not" "He's not?" "Well he will be"
Cardassia IV is one of the planets in the Cardassian system. When they say “Cardassia” they aren’t referring to it, but their home planet.
I have watched Trek for years and always thought it meant some sort of empire, but this makes so much more sense and is more interesting
I’ve always been amazed that Frank Langella did this role as Minister Jaro uncredited.
I expected Kira playing a prostitute. But the chief posing as her pimp? Not so much.
Ii with you on quark it's too much
Do yourself a favour and watch Frank Langella’s DRACULA from the late 70s. It’s outstanding.
And he was the only thing worth watching in the Masters of the Universe movie
Cardassians are used to the heat. It goes back to DS9 S1E1 when they say Ops is stuck at a high temperature, which is the room temperature Cardassians prefer.
I’ve said it before. Quark is the main character. Just accept it and you’ll suffer less anxiety.
GUYS! IMPORTANT QUESTION... Both of you were jokingly wanting to see Nog's name in the main credits... IF any Trek series has a huge spoiler in the main credits, by excluding or introducing a new name... do you want us to tell you "Don't watch the opening credits!" ?
I think they’ve answered this before by saying if the show runners chose to spoil its audience with credits, that’s on them. TA will watch as everyone else did.
Once they are back in the ship...they could have transported those guys out like they were going to originally (two at a time).
Only had a minute by that time and transporter cycles aren't instant. Shields needed to go up. Galor class ships aren't exactly the same level as Galaxy class starships but close enough. They needed to get out of there. Either version of events would have made sense but what we got was obviously so we had the version of the scene with Dukat later on.
“One day I shot a Cardassian in his underwear. Don’t ask me what I was doing in his underwear.” 🥸
When Alex asked if there were any changes to the credits I was just thinking I wish Josh fucked with the credits to recast Chief O’Brien and made Pulaski one of the main cast or something wild like that. Can you imagine Alex’s reaction.
LOL pure trolling, I'd be down for it.
Kira and the BASED Chief definitely work well together. Then again, the Chief goes well with anyone. Excellent part 1!
I went to High School with Frank Langella's nephew. Of course, that was in the early 1980s, so he wasn't very famous then.
I’m looking forward to seeing the rest of this season with you, I’ve barely seen any of the episodes. This one was great, I loved watching the Chief mow down a ton of Cardassians, he barely missed a shot! Someone needs to make a super cut of the Chief being a badass, I’m guessing the video will be 20 minutes long
I think Josh is being mildly lead astray with the "DS9 has more serialization" comments. It DOES have serialization - just in a 1993 sense.
Exactly this. By 1990s standards it is highly serialized. By today’s standards it isn’t at all.
Frank Langella is still alive. He's 87. Fun fact I just learned while researching this comment: He and Whoopi Goldberg were in a live-in relationship from 1996 to 2000. I wonder what his kids' reaction was when he brought Guinan home to live with him
Dammit, now we'll never know if Best of Both Worlds is better than The Homecoming. Unsubscribed
Am i hearing things? Not only a DS9, but also a Season opener you both love, that is rare lol. I had a feeling that you'd both love this, and i'm glad 'To be continued ' wasn't spoiled. B from me for this great start to Season 2.
Starting to come together....
The acting for Li Nalas id great. He played Ben Horne in twin peaks and is completely unrecognizable here. By the way. there are an unusually high number of twin peaks actors who played roles in trek. The actress who plays Laura was originally considered for the role of jadzia and The Arm plays rumpelstillskin, just as two examples.
What I really liked about his performance as Li Nalas is that he makes the character very ordinary, but likeable regardless. He's not worthy of the legend, but he is relatable in a way that makes this not matter.
A lot of Bajorand have unfortunately learned the only way to get things accomplished is violence as they were peaceful before the occupation. And to be fair, The Federation is really really not interested in taking no for an answer in this particular case, for various strategic reasons (like dealing with all the Bajora refugees under a legal framework and the proximiy of Bajor to Cardassia, plus the wormhole making it even more important that they not let the cardassians get control of that
They went to Cardassia IV and not the Cardassia home planet. It is more like a labor camp on Mars situation. It is a pretty common in sci-fi for the number designation of the planet to matter sometimes when imagining locations. They are labeled from lowest to highest in the same order as their distance from the sun. The home planet will often be named something unique without a number (Cardassia Prime).
Minister here is a political position, like prime minister not like a religious minister. The religious heirarchy and the political heirarchy are separate though strongly intertwined. He isn't supposed to be a religous leader, he is a government official in what we know is a dysfunctional government with various elements and factions vying for power
The labor camp in Duet was a mine on Bajor. Here it was a labor camp on Cardassia 4, not Cardassia Prime. Like other major powers, the Cardassians have more planets then just their homeworld
I actually thank season 2 is superior to 3, though I like both quite a bit.
Yeah but season 3 has… well you know. And that alone endears it for many.
Setting info: Cardassians are warm-blooded reptiles. They like it hot, dark, and dry. Lightning and rain would be a blessing for their sun-blasted world. Their Empire is military-expansionist because their Homeworld no longer has any greenery or natural resources.
I know some people are down on season 2, but for me, there's only a couple episodes I'd say are mediocre or worse. Future seasons do get better, but I think season 2 is pretty great in its own right. It's not what I expected when I did my rewatch because people always say the first 2 seasons aren't great and I guess I let that affect my memory, but when I actually scroll through the episode list it's just: Banger, Banger, Banger, Banger...
Michael Bell played the Bajoran prisoner who stayed behind to cover their escape. He was also Groppler Zorn back in Encounter at Farpoint, and his voice was in many cartoons of the 80s, including Transformers and GI Joe.
So, I don't know what the plan with TNG was or if they just kept going as long as ratings allowed and ended up deciding "7 years is a good number", but AFAIK DS9, Voyager and Enterprise were all planned to have 7 seasons from the start, with only ENT not making it that far. Still, you can kind of tell they hedged their bets with the season 1 finale being a proper finale and pushing back the cliffhanger for the S2 opener. SG1 also did this at a certain point. When that show started, they were quickly renewed for S3 and 4, and before S1 was done, they got another 2 seasons. So they knew they had a full 5 seasons guaranteed, and they tended to do big season finale cliffhangers, but later on they took the same approach of doing an episode that COULD serve as a finale if they didn't get renewed, and do a big 2 parter at the start of the following season. There are probably other examples of this, but season ending cliffhangers do seem to indicate confidence in the ratings/renewal. Sometimes I find a mid season 2 parter or one right at the start works better. There's less time in between and less emphasis on creating some overly dramatic moment to hook people over the summer, and less chance creating unrealistic expectations and letting the audience down. I do understand Li Nalas. I get that after everything he's been through he probably wants nothing more than a cabin in the mountains or some valley and to just be left alone. Funny enough the same year this episode came out, Frank Langella played another opportunistic politician in the form of the vice president in Dave. As for the Bajorans wanting to just be left alone, sure I understand wanting that, but the problem is realistically if Starfleet leaves, the Cardassians will be back now that the wormhole is discovered. They would love to control it. So sure, I get being wary of the federation. However the federation has been around for 200 years and has a pretty clear track record at this point. For all their flaws, they don't enslave people. So the question becomes, would you rather have Starfleet managing the station is cooperation with the albeit unpopular government, or have Occupation 2.0? That's the part of their plan that makes no sense, and least until such time as Bajor is able to build up a sufficient military to defend themselves.
Paramount did a calculation where they added up the projected costs of doing TNG (salaries, production budgets etc), and compared it to what they made selling the show, and realized that by the end of season 7 the costs would exceed the profits. They decided to end the show with 7 and move on to movies (which the studio head was eager to do since the TOS cast was finished).
It was driving me crazy that I knew Li Nalas's actor somewhere. I could see him as pompous and with glasses. Then it dawned on me in the middle of the night after watching the episode: it's Benjarmin Horne from Twin Peaks! Richard Beymer. He does great in both roles. I liked Li, the reluctant leader, in this.
Frank Langella: The original Skeletor from Masters of the Universe Stephen Macht: Roddenberry’s first choice for Picard
Being a huge fan of movie musicals, it's fascinating to see Richard Beymer here as Li Nalas. Beymer played Tony in the 1961 version of West Side Story, which was another "sensitive leader" kind of role... although he was reportedly dissatisfied with his portrayal in that.
"Minister" is being used in a political sense. The way It is in the U.K. The religious leaders are "Vedik", "Kai", and "Ranjin". When Dude says he is a politician, he is, I figure he's like a senator or maybe governor level.
It's only season 2. You're gonna get some episodes like this... bangers.
Ira Steven Behr (despite earlier efforts) is one of the best writers of the show he seems to get the characters, the Odo and Quark scene, the Dax and Sisko scene, O’Brien and Kira, Jake’s scenes, the dialogue is sharp and the story is well written. A for me
Given what Behr went on to do as a writer and showrunner, it is remarkable that his 1st ST script was one that Josh & Alex hated. I'm not going to name it here, since I don't want to panic them both about Behr's role with DS9.
Great reaction! Glad to see you enjoyed this one. I never noticed the link between Dukat and Quark's Rule of Acquisition from the opener before!
Fun fact: Kira’s meditation wheel is a drawing of Khan’s sleeper ship from Space Seed, repeated over and over in a circle.
Botany Bay? Botany Bay!?!? Oh no!!
Season openers have come a long way since “The Child.”
Oh hell, I hadn’t seen Patron Takes yet 😅 great minds …
Some really great moments in this. The intimacy and candour of that conversation between Lee and Sisko epitomises the series as a whole. Given that the first half is more "action" it's a credit to the writers that you don't feel bored at all for the rest of it. It's compelling (though not perfect) and intriguing in equal measure. Good start to the season!
I fucking love that you're rooting for Nog in the opening credits
Hey look, the character of Dax arrived on the show (briefly)! Also, sidenote, Cardassia IV is not the Cardassian homeworld, it's just another planet in their system.
Frank Langella is still alive, by the way...
He's 87 years old too.
The next DS9 episode will blow your minds 😂
Marc Alamo plays a villain so well
Josh: "They'll probably just use the dermal regenerator." Bashir, five seconds later: "This dermal regenerator should repair the damaged tissue." Yep, you're Trek nerds now.
Ah looking forward to rewatching this opener more than TNG S7, The whole Bajor for Bajorans comment seems strangely timely right now.
Drunk rn and skipped straight to da whiteboard and discussion im happy yall enjoyed this.
Lmao! Remember to drink electrolytes before bed