PATRON TAKES - DS9 S2E4
TAKES WILL BE READ 7/22
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Once the Dax symbiant is implanted into Verad, there is a huge personality change with the host. This seems contrary to previous Trill lore. What's yolur take on John Glover's portrayal of Verad versus Dwight Shultz's performace as Barclay given this similar shift in confidence?
I need to show some love for Sisko here. I like how he interacts with Mareel, but how he talks to and handles Verad is awesome! “Then our friendship is over!” Seriously hits hard for me. B plus good Trill lore Sisko and Quark sell the episode.
Fantastic episode in regards to Trill lore, but that admittedly carries the episode, and it’s more about that aspect than Dax herself despite being the focus. Solid B otherwise.
Here is some of that Trill lore you were looking for. I like this one. B-
Terry Farrell had got to be gutted that all her stories kept getting given to the worm in her character's belly instead of Jadzia. That said, great story - I loved how much the blending between Verad and Dax completely changed the story. Plus more Trill lore.
For me, this hits the same way TNG: Ethics did. I bought into the death of a character. Terry Ferrell gives a great performance and the guest performers are solid. Plus, I'm a sucker for pained Ferengi shrieking.
B minus after the opening Season 2 3-parter
John Glover is great as always. Jadzia doesn't get much airtime herself in this one, but what she has is really good. Love when Quark's fake squeals turn to real pain when Yeto stabs him in the ear with the medical tool. Overall a good episode. B+
CLIFF BOLE MENTION! (Ever since I watched this episode for the first time months ago, I've been eagerly awaiting the reaction to the Cliffs of Bole)
I love the character of Dax, this is not the best dax story, but it’s scratching the surface and giving a better view into a species that is new
Quark is walking the tightrope of being a selfish criminal who causes trouble for everyone, and a guy with good qualities, or maybe even heroic qualities underneath. For me they walk that line really well, even early in the show. Meanwhile the writers are still trying to figure out Jadzia.
Jadzia hasn’t probably have as many episodes for us to care enough maybe (Maybe!) they make this about learning of the Trill at the same time and IF there is no care, the lore carries it trough ! Also great Sisko episode !
The comments suggest people didn't like this one as much as I did. I really enjoy this episode. The main guest star John Glover is fantastic. (I know him best from Smallville and he is fire in that show) I truly believed him to be Dax after the joining. We still need more from Dax though and Jadzia herself. B for banger for me.
The show does 'figure out' how to best use Dax, but I can't say how or when. Farrell has similar warmth and likeability to Gates McFadden, so that gets better employed.
"I disabled a security seal and conspired to allowed a gang of murderous mercenaries compromise a military installation!" Better Call Saul! "Those mercenaries kidnapped and assaulted the entire crew and attempted to murder the nice lady who does the techobabble! " Better Call Saul!
Knockout performances by John Glover and Avery Brooks. Finally the show has Sisko doing something,
A decent episode hampered by the fact it follows a great three parter season opener. Terry Ferrell did a great job in going from the confident Dax with the 300 year old symbiont, to the vulnerable and scared 28 year old Jadzia after it was removed. On the flip side, John Glover did a good job changing personalities after he was made a host. As for Quark, yeah, he did allow the mercenaries on board, but under the pretense of selling some contraband, not to take hostages and steal the Dax symbiont, and he was instrumental on saving the day. I'm sure that was take into consideration in any punishment.
Weird episode, easily one of the forgettable “Trill” episodes for me. 🥱
A worse story used to explore the Trill and the symbiote stuff than with 'Dax' from last season, but nice to get more lore out there to turn the wheels on just how this whole 'joined species' thing actually works in practice
A better exploration of the Trill than last season's "Dax." Dunno how Quark got away with this. I also wish we got to experience a bit more of the "Jadzia alone" personality here. Like who she was before getting all the Dax memories.
Bajorian law must be generous to those who roll on their co-conspirators
Here we go. This is a real good example of baseline ds9. Everybody gets involved and it feels like a team
This was decent. A little danger, a villain with henchmen, it gets the job done. I don't think I'd ever rewatch it though.
John Glover is a great actor. Loved the character he played of Lionel Luther in Smallville.
My favorite of his film roles is Daniel Clamp in Gremlins 2. He's so engaging that it is easy to overlook how the entire mess is basically his character's fault.
Now that you guys are settling into "new" Trill continuity, where all past lives are part of the whole, how do you think Trauma like this impacts the host vs the symbiont?
Somehow it triggers the subconscious feeling of wanting to know more about Jadzia, not because it is so overly fascinating but because there was too little
Another Dax episode, yay!! Time for some character development. Oh, it's more about Sisko and Bashir.
Verad Dax is a fascinating character, but does this episode suggest that Dax's moral compass resides entirely in the host? If this isn't the case, the Dax symbiont must be a despicable immoral creature, and Sisko is 100% right when he ended their friendship.
I've always thought of the Trill as 50% current host, 50% all the other hosts. Makes sense since the current host is the brain.
A dark way of exploring Trillness. I think this story is very sound, but I feel that it’s missing the primary character: Jadzia. She takes a back seat to the guest star. I almost wish this had been a two-parter just to give us more time with Jadzia. B for “big Trilling story”
Feels a bit too soon to be evacuating the station again after the events of the previous 3-parter.
It is weird. Almost all of the "Trill" episodes fall flat for me with the exception of two later season episodes (spoiler?) but each one adds really good lore I hope you guys love. Very similar to early Ferengi episodes. On first watch they are cringy on full show rewatch they are game changing.
I loved John Glover in Gremlins 2, and was happy to see him here. Very different role, but he did a good job portraying the character before and after Dax.
Decent episode. High C. Some of the Dax you wanted, but still feeling like more of a tease than a deep dive. Best and worst of the episode was Kira getting her Ass kicked. That was a ‘didn’t expect that’ moment!
To quote Jesse Pinkman about Quark: “He can’t keep getting away with it!”
Wouldn't he be part of a conspiracy to commit murder? Can I get a lawyer in the chat?
A very vulnerable moment for Jadzia in this episode. After dodging Bashir’s advances for more than a season, in her pain and fear she leaned on him for support, showing she does care for him and value him as a friend.
There's some good stuff in this episode, and it's really interesting to think about the nature of the joining between symbiont and host. But it's unfortunate that AGAIN Jadzia is largely sidelined in her own episode, just like in season 1's "Dax".
I wish we learned more about Jadzia after the symbiont was removed. All we hear from her is that she feels "alone and empty". It was a unique opportunity to see a completely different version of Jadzia.
Finally got some Dax development. Hope you’re happy.
John Glover and Tim Russ were really good in this. And they both go onto very interesting things from here!
Can you imagine being one of the station residents who just got back from the evacuation in the previous episode, just to have to evacuate again the very next week?
But everyone comes back at the end of “The Siege”.
"Don't call me Benjamin" Sisko strikes hard with this comment.
Something about the very ending to this always felt like a *bit* of a lost opportunity to me; a little too trite, a little too separated. I would have loved a closing comment from Jadzia that felt more integrated, that more directly explored the surreality of *remembering* the experience of being willing to allow what is now you, yourself, to die. But overall, I do love the interplay of character dynamics in this episode.
Ah DS9 evacuated for the second time in as many episodes?! Seems a bit much More Trill lore and a good episode- John Glover is great esp as Verad Dax - but it does feel like it’s another Dax episode that sidelines Jadzia a bit.