PATRON TAKES - DS9 S1E11

the writers finally realized they can't make the Ferengi a serious threat,the Ferengi are used here very well, both humor and added depth to them,the "inconceivable" Wallace Shawn did a great job as the Grand Nagus, but what do you think was Zek believable as a leader?

As Jeff Goldblum might say: "Your writers were so preoccupied with whether they could create the most insufferable Ferengi of all time, they didn’t stop to think if they should." I'd easily rather have 1000 Mark Twains simultaneously babbling folksy philosophy than having to listen to one Grand Nagus. Sweet baby jeebus he's annoying.

Our first look into Ferengi lore? Inconceivable! I love Wallace Shawn's choice to have Zek die with his hands up in a doggie paddle position. "And now you call me Nagus." Nice nod to The Godfather, right down the cat. I love how the writers use this scene to follow how The Godfather scene plays out but then at the end they do a 180 from the original. Kudos DS9!

This is NOT the best 'Ferengi' episode, not by a longshot. The ride has just begun. That'll be two strips of latinum.

It's refreshing and surprising which path they chose. How bad it would have been if they had defined the Ferengi as tough businessmen or mafia clans.

Definitely a banger in the first season. Alex said something about wanting to learn more about Quark in a recent video, so this should help with that. Jake & Nog…🥺🥺.

A very good episode. I love Jake and Nog's friendship. 8/10 (A), though I might be rating it a bit high just because of the comparison to Move Along Home.

I think I want to highlight that for all of Zeks cartoonist personality he is not actually dumb. His plan is pretty smart. Test to see if your son is ready to take over by appointing some random as the leader and see how they will try to overthrow them. Also shows that it is not the ferengi way to just murder someone because that leaves too much evidence behind and you do things quietly. Good world building.

Here’s my whiteboard prediction for Josh, be interesting to see how close I get 😂 Ferengi? But it’s not just good, it’s Awesome (with a capital A)

The Ferengi obviously steal the show, but I have a soft spot for the B plot of Jake teaching Nog how to read and how Sisko reacting to seeing that.

This will be the episode that changes your mind about the Ferengi. On a side note, the scene with quark as Nagus in his quarters was inspired by The Godfather movie.

Some nice continuity with “A Man Alone” Keiko and Rom’s conversation in that episode established that Ferengi kids learn through apprenticeships that basically just throw them into the workforce. Of course the Ferengi leader wouldn’t see value in a school.

Wallace Shawn kicks ass as Zek, and we get the start of the more rounded and developed version of Ferengi and Ferengi society. It's great world and character building.

Absolute perfect casting for Nagus. 100% guilty pleasure episode.

Welcome to the NuFerengi. The Space Pope is real and he's hypercapitalist. Quark is a great character, however most episodes *centered* on him have to leave everyone else by the wayside. Ultimately, this means you can watch the "Quark episodes" on their own and it sorta feels like a separate show. But don't get me wrong; it's a dayum good show. A-tier episode for the lore-building alone. We learn more about (Season 1) Rom, and the Ferengi lore gets righteously course-corrected. Let's effing go~

I gotta admit, I like Ferengi.

“Inconceivable!” You fell for one of the classic blunders! Never hate a Ferengi episode when DS9 is on the line!

I love episodes that focus on Quark and the Ferengi. Never thought I would say that when I was watching season 1 of Next Generation.

I think DS9 was great at having fun episodes. The ability to have you crying in some and laughing in others is something TOS and TNG haven't done, at this point.

Is this the first Quark episode? Its worth it just for that. Arming Shimmerman is a joy to watch as Quark and can be a boon to any episode. This is a decent episode just for that, but then we do get some world building on top of it which really pushes this up for me to a B or so.

This is the episode that sold me on Ferengi. Really loved this episode and getting spotlight on a more "normal person" in the universe of Star Trek.

The great Wallace Shawn from "The Princess Bride" - as the head of the Ferengi Alliance! Plus, a fun look under the hood of Ferengi society and loooore... Would you want to see more or less episodes digging into individual species? If so, which ones (more Ferengi maybe?)

Who knew that Ferengi society actually has an edict in the Rules of Acquision? I think Zek is a hoot and find this to be a very fun episode. And Jake teaching Nog to read is just heart warming.

I fuckin hate Grand Nagus Zek

Usually Ferengi silliness ruins an episode. In this one it actually makes it better! Wallace Shawn as Zek is hilarious! I'm glued to the screen whenever he speaks.

Not a great episode, but the introduction to some more of the Ferengi culture is good, and starts to build out the universe a bit more. Not one I'd generally rewatch, but I'm along for the ride through its ups and downs.

Wallace Shawn as Zek an amazing casting choice. I have no idea if you will love him or hate him in this though. Also, it adds a little more lore about the Ferengi social structure!

DS9 does for Ferengi what TNG did for Klingons and I'm here for it.

I don't see how Move Along Home is any worse than this. I've never found the Ferengi all that amusing, but at least there are some good character moments.

Morn! love the friendship between Jake and Nog - as they say, despite their fathers they are friends - then love the interaction with Sisko and son - the portrayal of Ben Sisko as a positive, realistic, loving father in the series was groundbreaking in the 90's - and as always love Quark and now the Nagus

Well, you wondered if this show was gonna explore the Ferengi. No idea if this'll land for you, or not, it can go either way for most of the fandom. Loved the Jake teaching Nog to read beat though.

So the Ferengi redemption arc begins in earnest. It is a helluva ride buds.

Zek reminds me of that weird gremlin that lives in Jabba the Hutt's folds. The Ferengi much improve on DS9... But I still have to squint at them through my cringe face.

A great world building episode that starts to fix the Ferengi

I f*cking hate Ferengi episodes.

Dax literally says "I was a bad parent, but this is what I would do" and Sisko is like "Okay, that's what I'll do then." And then it turns out Dax only suggested it so she could steal his dinner. What a scene.

Sure there are flaws in this episode, but Wallace, Armin, Aron and Max really brought us some great scenes. One of my Season One favorites.

Quark being proud of his brother trying to kill him for personal gain is the most Ferengi thing ever.

It's good to see Ferengi society get structured here outside of "get profit" and "females nood." Makes them more 3-dimensional instead of the cartoons they've been up until now.

I never thought the Ferengi could be redeemed after TNG, but DS9 did it.

I love this episode and the world building we get for the Ferengi. The writing is good, dumb, fun and the over the top performance from Wallace as Nagus is perfect for the character.

The Ferengi get a little more depth than they did on TNG with this episode. Of course, Wallace Shawn is entertaining as always.

Good for a dose of Ferengi lore. Story - not so much. The B plot does give us our first glance at the wholesomeness of Nog and Jake's friendship though, I love that bit.

The actor who plays Zek always reminds me of The Pricess Bride. INCONCEIVABLE!

Given he's basically the Uber Ferengi, arguably to the point of parody, I honestly don't know if you'll hate Zek or love him. Ferengi lore dump anyway. I actually prefer the B plot. Seeing Sisko going out of his way to break up Nog and Jake's friendship thinking they're getting into trouble, only to realize he completely misjudged the situation and proudly telling his son to "go be with your friend". Great moment

The actor who plays Rom played Sovack in Captain's Holiday. This was definitely a step up for him.

The scene where people are coming to Quark for favors is a direct homage to the Godfather. I heard the crew were playing the Godfather theme on loop during that scene, and the cast and crew got a copy of this episode with the theme dubbed in.

This was the first "Ferengi episode" that I found actually entertaining. Deep Space Nine redeemed the Ferengi.

I believe this episode put more respect on the Ferengi name. Learning more about them that we didn't know in TNG.

Seeing Jake teach Nog to read was so wholesome and made my eyes watery.

DS9 does to the Ferengi what TNG did for the Klingons and really expands their characterization and lore. Not an amazing episode, but this is an important first step in their PR campaign.

“The GRAND NAGUS!”

Rise of the Ferengi; inconceivable

Ferengi world building at it's finest. Also the first good Rom episode --- to not like this episode is.....inconceivable!

I love Rom in this one. You can see the guy has occasional flashes of decency but it gets beaten out of him every time he shows it, and now he's starting to spread that Ferengi culture down to his son. It's mostly played for laughs but it's really pretty sad.

This is the litmus test on whether or not you will enjoy Ferengi episodes. I personally can't stand the Nagus, but YMMV.

First good frengi episode! Twist might be easy to see but its a fun watch. Frengi feel alot more alive compared to slightly racist caricatures of TNG.

Strong first season episode with lots of Godfather references apparently…(don’t know myself, never seen any of the movies 🤷‍♀️😂)

At first, back in ‘93, I disliked this one. It’s Ferengi overload...but it grows on you.

Guest actor/character is S tier. This in my humble opinion is where Ferengi git gud.

An episode dedicated to the Ferengi if you had said this to me during early TNG I’d have been horrified but this is fun.

An episode focused on Ferengi that Josh and Alex actually enjoy? Inconceivable!

I love this episode and everything about it! Fun and funny! These are the Ferengi we need!