PATRON TAKES - TNG S6E16&17

The problem with this two parter is the most interesting part of the story is all wrapped up in part one.

I do not mind these, but there are better Worf/Klingon episodes. Love the Klingon victory song.

I love the Klingon folk singing They could have let it go on for another 12 minutes and I wouldn't have minded at all

BRENT SPINER CHARACTER COUNT! Does middle aged Dream-Soong count as.a new character for the guy? Very different from Old Man Soong. Also, here's another classic trope of "Here's this piece of technology that we have no idea what it is. Let's fiddle with it in front of the Warp Core!"

I remember wondering (in the 90's) where they got that cool and delicious looking blue gel icing, and wondering what flavour it was. I settled on some type of fruit mint.

Not my favourite two parter, but I like the Klingon song. You really get the sense of how important songs and tales are to their culture.

I did not like this pair of episodes much when they originally aired, but my opinion of them has changed overtime and while neither of them is an ‘s’ tear episode, they’re still solid. I really like the character development between Data and wharf in their struggles to Understand their identities and culture

It's fine, I remember this episode being better. It feels like this "crossover" should have been a bigger deal.

This is a relatively rare opportunity for Worf and Data to bond. They both have fathers that they never really got to know, but they’re constantly running into people who DID know them… makes their dads more like religious figures than real parents It’s also interesting to me how willing Data is to consider what is essentially a supernatural explanation for his experiences. He’s become more human in ways he doesn’t even seem to realize What we do get from the DS9 crossover is great (Data and Bashir immediately click in a way I didn’t expect), but it is definitely undercooked. Enterprise arriving would be a major event for them — they could have at least had Sisko or someone answer a hail then make some kind excuse for why he couldn’t appear again

Deep Space Nine In HD!

A wasted opportunity for a crossover..

Hey Audience don’t forget we have a new show called Deep Space 9! Here look we’ll show a bit of it to you…. I do like another character step for Data’s “evolution” Also I like how this showcases Worf through the two parts, great character stuff for him too

My takeaway- Klingons need heavy clothing because Worf’s Klingon face and hair paired with a very human body doesn’t look quite right.

Hey Look! It's Deep Space 9! *Goes down hill from there.* Great Concepts individually, but execution wasn't what it could have been. It's almost as if Data's plot ran short and Worf's plot ran long so they combined them into a two parter.

I've always been struck by how this two-parter has an A and B plot that don't have anything to do with each other. Very unusual for a two-parter. And then the B plot is wrapped up in Part I. Just a strange way to structure it.

Rare opinion it seems. I really like the Worf storyline, love the exploration of what a Klingon is for Worf. He was never taught this, he learned his culture from the outside and chose to embrace an ancient hatred towards Romulans, but now he has to face that hatred and really question if this hatred is valid while at the same time teaching these kids what it is to be Klingon and doing such a good job that he gets them all singing. Freakin' awesome! Qa'Pla!

A rare example of a better first part.

DS9 crossover and Data's story were nice to see, Worf and the prison camp were meh. C tier. Not great, not terrible.

They should’ve had Chief O’Brien in part one at least. Maybe talking to Picard or Dr Crusher or even Worf on the Promenade.

This definitely shouldn’t have been a two-parter. Two separate stories IMO.

I liked the Data stuff more than the Worf stuff.

I think I may be an outlier, in I kind of like these Episodes, they really are two Episodes though. Bashir gets some fun interactions with Data, we get some more exploration of Klingon culture, Worf gets to do his favorite thing, bash Romulans, both physically and verbally, and Data has the worlds most coherent dreams. I mean seriously, where was the weird out of place nudity or random thing from that day that shows up in dreams?

This starts so.. weird and it’s so wonderful and cinematic when Data has a that dream sequence, and they ruin it by putting potted plants on the enterprise ! 🤣🤣🤣 This was a much better use of a part 1 to get to a part 2 that in my opinion had no fat on it! It is the first time I see Worf as captain America like you guys call him and that was very satisfying !

This is probably way too ambitious for 90s tv... But how neat would it have been to have a crossover where each crew worked on the same mission, and the you'd see the events from each crew's POV on their respective show.

The 'Birthright' episodes feel like pizza with spaghetti on top - two great dishes that don't mix well. A promising Data story and a Worf plot are combined in a way that's messy and uneven, neither reaching its full potential.

Could have been better. A LOT better. Disappointing.

The fact that the most memorable part about this TWO PART episode is that Data and Bashir share a scene or two says a lot.

I wish there had been more of a crossover with DS9. It really felt like the DS9 crew should have been more integrated into the plot.

These two aren't so much a two-parter as half an episode stapled to one-and-a-half episodes. The Worf stuff is decent, but doesn't really go anywhere. The Data stuff is better, but only adds a little to his character IMO. Nice to see Julian popping up here. This is a B- two parter.

More top notch safety and security: Bashier: "yeah I have this device I have no idea what it really does and I'm pumping energy into it here.". Data: "You can't do that with a unknown device here. Let's take it right next to the warp core and pump energy into it there and see what happens, also I'll stand right in front of it with no protective barriers." Bashier: "Splendid!" Having said that.. . I seem to like these episodes a bit more than the consensus here. I think the reflection on "fathers" is meaningful especially now that I've lost my dad. Data and Worf's unlikely friendship as both being outsiders is nice to see explored a bit (it isn't explored enough) and the Klingon warrior song is awesome.

Honestly, I really enjoy Data's journey in Part 1, but Worf's story I find much less interesting. On rewatches, I usually just skip Part 2 entirely. Curious how these episodes will land with you guys.

Originally it was Terry Farrell (Dax) who was going to make the crossover into Part One, but she had a scheduling conflict on DS9 S1E10. There was also supposed to be more Jalom Shrek (the informant) in Part Two, but his scenes were removed because actor James Cromwell broke his leg filming part one. I can’t help but feel these two small changes could have elevated this over-wise boring and forgettable two-parter. C for craptastic.

This may be my least favorite two parter. It doesn't really feel like they belong together. The first part was somewhat interesting being on DS9. But the second part was a snooze fest. It's in the C range for me.

i do love the conversation with Dr. Bashir and Data, best part of both episodes - which pretty much says how i feel about the 2 episodes - interesting for Worf's life story but that's about it - love to hear what Target Audience has to say about these

Would have been much better if this was split into 3 standalone episodes. There's actually great stuff in here, but now it's this poorly paced mashup of ideas that's less than the sum of its parts. Reminds me of Unification.

I like that they did a complete and separate story in part 1 with data. At least unlike other two parters, you get something whole and not just setup for part 2. DS9 in HD and the dream visuals are fun too.

Long hair Worf is my favorite Worf. He’s much less a caricature though unfortunately, this story is just one note. The scene with Data and Worf is really good. And Data addresses Worf as Worf.

These episodes are just disappointing. The Data stuff is cool but there’s not much to it. And the Worf stuff doesn’t go anywhere interesting. I don’t really feel any stakes in the outcome for these people and Worf. And it really wasn’t much of crossover. It’s not offensive and has cool ideas, it’s just pointless.

Part One at least had interesting visuals with Data's dreams, but the writers went nowhere with them. Everything else is dull with Worf and his one dimensional honor bullshit once again. I'm sorry, "we choose to remain POWs because its embarrassing" is dumb writing that shows just how poorly conceived this series' entire vision of Klingons actually is. I hope he at least left some cattle prods for the Klingon Bar-Mitzvah ceremonies to come.

I never liked how Worf acted towards the klingons on the planet, he teaches the teenagers how to be "klingons" when he himself lives in a society that's in some ways more similar to this peaceful colony than actual klingon society. The kids are in for a very rude awakening while Worf goes back to the Enterprise and sips prune juice in a peaceful multicultural environment. What a hypocrite.

Brent out of makeup is such a shock to the eyes. He almost doesn’t seem real.

Boring episode that goes nowhere interesting. C tier.

These episodes are very Star Trek-y but also insanely cliché. I don't like them and I don't dislike them. Meh. A little too deep into backstory that shouldn't have been canonized.

Nope! Never gonna mention DS9 on TNG again...! 😀

Haven’t rewatched this yet and I can’t remember much about it aside from the DS9 crossover, which probably says a lot.

Part 2 could have made for a good standalone episode, but it's not a good part 2 to follow this part 1.

I'm indifferent to this episode. It's a novelty seeing worlds collide with some nice scenes between Data and Bashir, as well as a cool dream sequence and a young Doctor Soong. I could take it or leave it with Worf's side of the plot. At least we get a glimpse of what a DS9 HD could have looked like!

We get a glimpse of DS9 in High Definition!

Morn spotted. S tier.

Data dreams of electric birds and Worf goes on an adventure. Also Bashir is there for advertising DS9. He's not a great addition, but it's great to see him in this single hour long episode in HD with the TNG crew. Wait, what? There's a second half? Why?

Re: Part 2 1) It's lame to tease Mogh is alive when he obviously isn't 2) If the senior Klingon is willing to take Worf's word he won't escape on the hunt, why not initially take his word that he won't speak of their community and let him go? It seems like they could have saved me 42 minutes of my life and themselves a bunch of trouble. 3) Neither here nor there, but Worf has zero chemistry with the love interest

Part 1: Really cool Data story with a Worf story boosted by a DS9 crossover. Part 2: Yeaaah, we're gonna go in a different direction.

What did you think about finally getting to see DS9 remastered in HD for this TNG two-parter? Really cool to see both the station model & promenade interior set in glorious high definition!

well you wondered if they do a cross over with ds9 and here it is, even if it only window dressing for the plot, the Julian/data scene was fun, overall i found theses 2 episodes forgettable except once gain unsafe testing near the warp core

1) I like the characterization of Bashir in Part 1 2) This shouldn't have been a two parter 3) We never see female characters going on quests to find their dead mothers

I like the crossover from DS9. I liked the conversation with Bashir about how Data is designed to show subtle human characteristics. I don't see why they made this a two parter. Worfs story could have been told in an independent episode.

A bit of a strange two parter, it does legitimately feel like the Worf story didn’t have enough material to sustain two parts which then leads to the Data stuff being the part that I actually wanted to see continue.

It was supposed to be Dax meeting Data, but her shooting schedule on DS9 1x10 didn't work out. However, I (as a 44-year-old male) still squee at the interaction between Data and Bashir. The Worf stuff... ehh

This one seems like they had like 1.5 episodes of material for Worf's two-parter, so they tacked on Data's plot to pad it out. So very weird to have a two parter with only the A plot continuing!

Kinda weird that there's this very important character growth subplot for Data only in part 1 of this Worf centric 2 parter. Also totaaaaalllllly organic use of DS9...

Welp, you wanted a DS9 crossover... Weird choice to only make it half the two parter but it is what it is. Fun production error: In Bashir's last scene in pt 1, his bright white slippers (that the cast wore to make less noise in close up shots) are clearly visible instead of his boots. Easy to miss if you're focused on Data, but you can't unsee once you notice it.

Woooo! GTA Trailer 2 just dropped! Huh? "Birthright 1 and 2?" Yeah, good stuff. Pale android dreams and peanut butter head culture drama. W00t! Vice City in 4k!!

Bashir is by far the least popular character in Season 1 of DS9 so were you dissapointed that he was the only one to make a cameo? What character interactions you would've liked to see instead? I personally would like to see Odo and Data have a conversation.

Data Dreams, Worf and the hope of seeing his long lost father, and a nice little crossover with that Deep Space Nine show. It’s a little bit of everything

This episode is such a missed opportunity to touch on Tasha Yar and how the Romulans spared her and took her prisoner. I’m not sure how they could have woven that in, but it feels so similar in concept.

I’m very glad they didn’t retcon Mogh’s death at Khitomer like they easily could have for this episode, instead choosing to maintain Worf’s honor.