UNCUT - The Expanse Season 2 Episode 4
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Another fantastic episode, though it's the next one I'm really looking forward to. Though they really did waste no time with the whole stealing the Nauvoo plotline. Also loved the whole dynamic between Miller and Diogo here. The kid is such a little shithead, but it's kind of endearing in a way. And for once, it's Holden that has to do the renegade interrupt.
Some big differences between the fist season and the books. Dawes never makes a move against Miller, they have a very cordial relationship. Miller isn't fired because of his investigation. He's fired because he has lied to his boss. There is no Kenzo the spy, no Martians trying to board the Roci. Miller never tracks Julie to Eros, he actually is able to track Holden. Miller is with the Roci when the discover the stealth ship. Havelock is never attacked, he actually leaves Ceres for another job because of the discrimination.
Oh and Miller's timer was not his air supply, it was the time of Impact. The show is in general really good at fine details on their digital displays. So right when he ducks to take cover there is 14 minutes 11 seconds, then 13 minutes 47 seconds after he patches the leak. It's definitely the time before impact. It takes time for all the people to get back to their ships and for the ships to move off. So most of that time has gone before Miller responds to Naomi's hails to see if he was ok after the debris field hit him. So when he responds and tells what happened there isn't enough time before impact for the Roci to do anything.
There are a lot of differences between the books and the show, some minor some really rather large, and of course the books have a ton more detail on plot events and character insights. In the books for example Holden is very much not a guy who ever wants to take a life, without just cause or in the spur of the moment. But the books make it clear Holden did attempt to kill in Eros targeting the chest, and in fact once Miller informed him the chest shots wouldn't work with the guards armor does make a head shot shooting first, once the shit had already started on Eros. And that it was the first time he had to kill using a fire arm (and didn't hesitant to do so but he still hated that he had to). That his time in the military he had killed using ships weapons before, just not man to man. All the events with Kenzo the spy and all those interactions are original to the show. So there was no Holden Amos standoff in the books. But its clear from the writers work (and they worked on each episode of the adaption) that Holden would have tried to stop Amos from shooting the Martians who were trying to board them because the Martians weren't doing anything wrong. He might not have used a kill shot, try and take him down without lethal force, but he would have tried. Here taking out the ship, it guts Holden (not because it's the first ship he has destroyed), but because they were literally Doctors Without Borders. Doctors who go to extreme places to provide medical services, and once they discovered that this wasn't a disaster but a bioweapon would do anything to get the word out to the public as a means to both warn the public and get some accountably to the act of genocide (a James Holden move if there ever was one). Its the first step in losing his world view on how you should behave.
Amazon (UK) have removed it - so am watching on Blu-ray... The picture quality between this and the streaming version is *really* noticeable!
Remember when Kenzo the spy asked Holden “Are you anything like that animal you got topside?” and then later Holden basically executed him slowly. He spent years in the military and is a trained soldier and strategist who held a guy down while Miller killed him a few episodes back. While he was dying. His last acts were going to be killing people. This guy’s whole spirit has been changing leading up to pressing that button.
My entire complete series came in yesterday, just now caught up. Great reaction guys. I knew you would love this show. It never lets up. Like I stated before, I consider this show to be the best sci fi series ever second only to Star Trek.
Just to nerd out a bit here, so you can feel the weight of what just happened, Eros moving out of the way isn't only about the intelligence of this "thing", but also the sheer scale of energy required to do so. Rough calculations, and keep in mind the joule requirement to achieve this feat is so high because Eros is gigantic, puts it around 1.2×10^20 joules That's the amount of energy released by 28,700 Megaton thermonuclear bombs. Whatever this thing is, it's no joke.
Did you pull an Amos calculation there ;)
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Not to build up expectations too much, but the next episode is one of the best hours of television I've ever seen.
We’ve watched through episode 6
Stuck at work late tonight. Thanks for the upload, looking forward to it for when I get home. :)
"I guess we could just broadcast everything we know..." YES, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SHOULD DO "...wait until Earth, Mars and the OPA to all rally together and sing koomaya and do the right thing" YES, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN Discovering common enemies has been the foundation of peaceful alliances for as long as history has been recorded. ------------ Also, you don't crash Eros into the sun by slamming a big ship into it. How does a show that prides itself on realistic depiction of space get orbital mechanics so wrong??
Depends entirely on how much velocity that ship hits it with. F=M*A. Also, Eros is nowhere near as big as Ceres. About 10 miles across. And it has an extremely weird orbit that brings it in between Earth and Mars for much of its year. So, it's not entirely ridiculous, depending on how far it is from the bottom of its orbit and how hard it gets hit (and nuked) to slow it down enough to fall into a decaying orbit that will eventually toilet bowl down to the sun... But yeah. It's Sci-Fi. Not physics class. For this matter, The Epstein drive is also completely impractical in a purely scientific sense. At some point you just have to bite the bullet and have plot devices.
Absolutely love this episode and the next one, The Expanse somehow manages to keep upping the stakes all the time. I watched the rest of season two the other day and I honestly have no idea how they have crammed so much story in
So Amazon pulled Season 1, 2 and 3 due to rights issues, so couldn't watch along on this one. Season 4 and 5 are still available as Amazon produced those. Hard to get hold of DVDs in my neck of the woods, but will try and sort something or find another streaming option. Shame!
??? I watched along on Amazon Prime (but with commercials). Seasons 1, 2 & 3 are still there -- along with Seasons 4 thru 6 of course. So I don't understand. ... [Oh, I googled it and I see what you mean. For some reason, I can still access it on Amazon Prime, but probably not for long.]
Amazon Prime lost the rights to the show they PURCHASED apparently... will have to catch up now... somehow.
I don't understand. I see all seasons on Amazon Prime.
shit, I fully missed 2x3 being uploaded
I totally hoped you'd be releasing S2E4&5 together 😭
Me too.