YOUTUBE - WE DISAGREE ON DARMOK! | Reaction & Review
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Just came across this at 7am to this awful awkward to watch episode…. IMHO lol… I think this makes the episode bearable to watch AND hilarious ….. if you haven’t guessed I agree with Josh !! Don know if this is allowed, but I have to share this clip with you guys https://youtu.be/BOnc74Vljx0?si=50kgIG2o0pM5sKrq Enjoy
Military uniforms usually have rank insignia on the jackets/coats. If you are walking outside around the base and have a coat or jacket on, people still need to be able to see your rank. If you are an officer especially, so all the enlisted people can know to salute. Star Trek TNG is pretty spot on with it's US Naval accuracy.
Don’t worry Josh, you are not alone. I am very mixed on this one and agree with both you and Alex. I like the concept for this episode, I get the love. I can see why people love it. If you buy into it, it’s really great. But I also get as frustrated with it as the main characters all do, with the limited vocabulary and repetition. Some days I feel it’s an A, most others a C. I don’t tend to look forward to rewatching it. The memes are fantastic, and I quote Darmok and Tanagra and Shaka quite a bit. I also agree that Riker comes off bad. I get that he feels powerless and frustrated and responsible for the Captain’s safety, and that adds to it, but it feels just written that way. Anyway, I feel you Josh, and I’m also glad that Alex like it a lot. If you think about it, this is a good representative reaction, with one liking it a lot, and the otherwise frustrated by it, as I suspect that viewers out there can be that way. I love the concept of it and some of the execution, but other parts I don’t, at all. As a minister and former youth pastor, it reminds me of a book that I have read where I love the general idea of it and have taught on the concepts of it to the students at events and quoted it a lot, but I don’t like the way the actual book reads. I just like the idea of it, but for me I like the way I communicate it better than the author.
absolutely no star trek fan would agree on any top ten list.
This episode predicted meme culture.
Personally i've always found this one irritating. I like the ship scenes, but the stuff on the planet makes me usually skip this one.
Didn't know until know there are people who strongly dislike this episode. Always been one of my favorites and others I've talked with. See it referenced a good bit, one of those things you can quote and instantly people who've seen it will know what you're talking about it. Star Trek frequently uses unrealistic setups to explore interesting concepts, and this is a great one about language and meaning and common frames of reference but also how to come together. It gives us a bit of a mystery to figure out, its fun to realize what some of the references might mean, its moving to watch the other captain giving his all to form this bridge and be able to communicate with picard. Just all around one I really enjoy.
This is one of the best episodes of Star Trek ever. Even the "A" rating wasn't good enough. Giving it a D showed an obvious lack of understanding of what was happening, IMO.
This episode was literally taught in my anthropology class. Instand S
Yes - there are a lot of people who think it is unrealistic but experts in the fields that the episode touches on have consistently regarded it as an excellent presentation of real world concepts.
I would agree that many other episodes are technically better but for personal reasons, this one is my favorite. The struggle to be understood and the feeling of breakthrough hits hard enough to make me tear up every time. As a bonus, I really like reading the comments from people who are upset at the language. I don't hear them complain about warp travel, 2d life forms, artificial gravity, teleportation, telepathy, inter-species hybrids, time travel, etc. But a language based on allegory and imagery spoken by a species with an alien ego structure??? Too far!
When you say you were tantalized you are claiming to have had an experience that felt like Tantalus. If you say you went on a odyssey you are claiming to have had an adventure as eventful as Odysseus. Calling someone jovial is a reference to Zeus (Jove/Jupiter) - people born under the sign of Jupiter were considered to have those qualities. Most English speakers don't think about it but they use language like this EVERY DAY. An alien species doing this more than humans doesn't seem fare fetched at all.
Never liked this episode. Always a fun reaction when you guys have different takes. I’m with Josh on this one.
This one is beloved but also gets a lot of people talking about the language not making sense or being unrealistic. For what it's worth, while I can't personally explain it I know that there have been a good number of linguistics professors who have used this episode to teach various concepts in their classes and I have also seen stuff put together by people who are knowledgeable in the field which explores how it actually parallels various real world cultures or languages or whatever.
I can't imagine communicating like that.
Josh is 'we'? And "A...holes'? This is pure clickbait! The first time i am truely disappointed.
Nope, Alex and I gave very different grades, and have very different thoughts on the episode hence “we disagree” not sure how that’s confusing. The text on the thumbnail is a direct quote from us in the video. Your comment makes me have to ask.. did you watch the video?
Not the greatest script. The other captain set it up to force communication. He died, but succeeded. I'll keep watching it, but not a favorite.
I just think in 176 episodes it would be weird and unrealistic to not have four or five eps where you’re way out of step with the consensus. Let’s us know you’re real (and not really boring). I love Charlie X, don’t like The Enterprise Incident. Whatareyougunnado. (This is my third favourite episode of TNG, though.)
Some people like cucumbers better than pickles.
That's what she said.
I was 34 when this first aired and I had been a Trekker since 1966. I was initially put off and frustrated by the repetitive dialog and the length of time it was taking to understand what Dathon was trying to communicate. Upon subsequent viewings, I easily recognized the sheer brilliance of the episode's premise. There are likely a near infinite number of methods of communication from one side of the universe to the other. It is a small mind that limits itself to thinking that we humans have the best and or only way to communicate. This episode is an example of what sets Star Trek apart from nearly all other space-based science fiction.
This is one of the best episodes of the series for me. It highlights so much about what I loved about TNG. It was a creative piece of sci-fi and a great highlight for what makes Picard such a great Starfleet officer.
I like this one because of the struggle to communicate and the effects the lack of understanding between both species causes. B tier for me. As an added bonus, the memes inspired by this episode is funny as hell.
I thought it was a brilliant premise-- show how difficult it is to cross language and cultural barriers by immersing the audience in the same confusion that the characters are experiencing-- and one that would have been VERY poorly executed by so many other series and writers and franchises. But honestly, I'm so with Josh here. I can't understand why it's held in such HIGH regard, and add to it that unlike you who have just watched it, I've been hearing it for the last 40 years: I've grown so tired of hearing about how great this episode is and seeing it memed that I automatically want to knock it down a notch or two just as a fcku you to the fanboys. But if I'm honest, I'm somewhere in between you two. There are a few things that don't work, but they don't work in the same way that McCoy being so overbearing to Spock in THE THOLIAN WEB didn't work for me. It's like they needed to really stop and say, for instance, "OK, would Riker and Worf REALLY be this over the top?" and then revise, revise, revise. So I give it a C plus. Can't rate it a B because B is for "banger," and, well, it isn't. But it's not a D and certainly not an S.
These guys rank up there with the Pakled.
Some fans like to quote this episode, the rest think its garbage.....lol, well, memorable at least.
I'm SO tired of hearing about this one and the (reference meme re light bulb quantity) one. If I'd seen either of those as a first episode, I might have never come back to TNG. As it was, my first were ENCOUNTER AT FARPOINT and THE NAKED NOW and those kept me away till the start of season three.
As someone who did some linguistics as part of their degree, I really enjoyed this one! (What? Some of us have to pipe up, can't have all naysayers in that comment section)
Yes I found this episode intensely boring.
I know some people really like this one, but I find the whole concept of that language so stupid. A language would just not replace simpler words like “walls” and “fell” with complex metaphors. Compared to other concepts in Star Trek, i find this dumb to an annoying level, and it completely distracts from the good elements of the episode. This is a consistent “skip” when I rewatch the series.
This is what I had for a long while thought but it turns out that college professors have used the episode to help teach their classes and there have been some pretty good analyses put together explaining how it is actually a realistic representation of how some languages work.
Shaka when the walls fell
Darmok and Jilad on the ocean
Picard his face palmed, Troy the obvious pointed, the Enterprise it shields down
My most disliked episode of all STNG
They talk in memes and gifs
Kinda like the next generation in real life