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UNCUT - Qpid (TNG S4E20) | Star Trek Journey 201 (1 of 2)
UNCUT - Qpid (TNG S4E20) | Star Trek Journey 201 (2 of 2)
October 27, 2024

UNCUT - Qpid (TNG S4E20) | Star Trek Journey 201

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Matt Newmark · November 16, 2024

Ok I'm WAY.. WAY behind on watching this one. I've got the episode paused at the moment and Geordi is tuning his mandolin and I'm already CRACKING TF UP. Even writing this comment LMAO... Oh God I can't wait to see this reaction...

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Wrestling With Gaming · November 8, 2024

This one's an A for me. It's just dumb fun. Worf's lines alone do it for me. I'm a bit surprised you guys didn't enjoy this one for the sets, classic trek fight, and the zaniness. But hey, I get it, if you don't like Vash it's gonna be a tough sell. And to be honest, it's hard to buy Picard would ever get romantically involved with a criminal. But I dunno, Worf's not a merry man and that's good enough for me lol

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Mel Primus · November 6, 2024

C for me. I don’t have the same issues as you have with Vash. And Picard having a terrible taste in women is believable to me.

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Darren · November 3, 2024

This episode for me has aged quite poorly D+ or C- and most of that is just for Worf. Still prefer this to Galaxy’s Child

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Todd · November 2, 2024

While it's not a great episode it's worth existing just for Worf's "I am not a merry man!" exclamation.

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SnabbKassa · November 1, 2024

This episode is from 1991, when the world was full of Robin Hood mania because of Kevin Costner. I don't know if this episode was trying to capitalize on that. Not sure the timing lines up, but that movie made nearly 400 million, which was huge in 1991, esp given it's bad critic reviews. But the mass audience love it.

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ConditionsCloudy · October 30, 2024

Just want to say that I love watching this show with you guys. It's always fun and I'm so excited for you to see so many amazing episodes to come. Thanks for the good times :D

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BN13 · October 30, 2024

I'm pretty sure Earl Grey is caffeinated. I heard someone say before that it was a stimulant. As for what Q is and isn't able to do, I like to think of where Star Trek species rank on the Kardeshev Scale. The Kardeshev Scale ranks civilizations on a scale of 1-3 based on how much energy they are able to harness and effectively control, and where they are in terms of growth. A Type 1 Civilization is able to use ALL of the natural resources on it's home planet, and has complete control over subatomic particles. The Federation is a Type 1 Civilization. Earth is completely unified, and doesn't use money because it's now a completely resourced based economy. The complete control of particles means they have things like replicators, transporters, holodecks, and FTL travel like warp drive. A Type 2 Civilization can harness everything from a star, or an entire solar system. The Borg are a Type 2 Civilization. They literally go around assimilating entire planets/civilizations/solar systems at a time. and if you listen very closely to what Locutus says to the crew in Best of Both Worlds Part 2, he actually reveals that the Borg don't view what they do as conquering. They view it as growth. Both for themselves, and for the species they assimilate. They legitimately don't understand why other species resist, because to them, why wouldn't anyone want to instantly transform into a Type 2 Civilization in a day? They actually think they are helping us, because they are helping the entire galaxy become the 3rd type on the Kardeshev scale. A Type 3 civilization is able to harness all of the energy from an entire Galaxy. Some of the god-like beings in Trek might fall into this category like the Doud from The Survivors, but there is no way to really tell. Q however, is beyond any of these. There is actually a Theoretical Kardeshev scale that takes this idea even further all the way out to a type 7. On that scale, The Q are actually a Type 6 which is insane. On this scale, Type 4 civilizations can harness all the energy in this Universe. They use that energy to no longer be bound to a physical body or to death. They can also experience time differently, or open portals into other Universes. You might be seeing some of these species pretty soon, either in Trek, or Babylon 5. A Type 5 Civilization can harness all of the energy in the entire multiverse. A Type 6 civilization can control everything in all universes AND in all dimensions, including time, and they can do this effortlessly. This is The Q. So yes, they can jump through time like it's nothing. They can also shrink down to the subatomic if they want to. The Q continuum itself is probably another dimension and/or another universe, possibly one that they created themselves. There is literally nothing they can't do. But that bring us to the Dilemma of a Type 6 civilization. A Type 6 Civilization is max growth. When you are at that level of OP, there is no more room for growth because you literally already know everything. What do you do now? Maybe you start acting like Q, where instead of caretaking the universe like you are supposed to, you start messing with things just to amuse yourself because you've gotten so bored. Because no matter what a Type 6 Civilization does, they can never be a Type 7 Civilization. A Type 7 is more of an abstract and theoretical concept. It's basically ACTUAL God, if there is such a thing. It would be a civilization so powerful, that it no longer lives IN the multiverse, and perhaps never did. Instead, it actually IS the multiverse. At the very least, a Type 7 is what created all of the multiple universes and dimensions, but it can simultaneously be both the creator and the creation. This is the idea that we are all the universe trying to understand itself, and God is the strings of energy at the center of all matter. By definition, a Type 7 Civilization is infinite growth. It grows as the multiverse grows.

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Jovet · October 31, 2024

Most tea is caffeinated by nature. Teas called "herbal tea" are not caffeinated because they do not contain any actual tea leaves in them. Tea can be processed to be decaffeinated just like coffee can be. I buy decaf Earl Grey tea because I am very sensitive to caffeine and try to avoid it as much as I can.

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penoyer79 · October 30, 2024

26 episodes. that's like 2 breaking bad seasons in 1. credit to the writers for not having more duds.

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BN13 · October 29, 2024

I think I realized the real reason why I don't like Vash. As a character on her own she's fine, but she's not AMAZING! But the show keeps trying to convince us that she is, so it feels like this character is being forced down our throat trying to get us to like her when she's really just average at best. If they used her for what she actually was in other more interesting ways, she'd probably be fine. As is, she doesn't really have much point being in something like Star Trek. She feels out of place. If you want a "steals artifacts for money" character in Star Trek, you could actually do that better with a Ferengi (perhaps even a female Ferengi) who is actually written well, and she'd be a much more interesting character. Plus maybe that character could give us more insight into Ferengi culture and make them less of an embarrassment. There's lots of 3-dimensional stuff you could potentially do there. Instead, they only want a basic love interest, so she's just a random average person from today's world with questionable morals. She isn't used for anything other than the show telling us "look how amazing Vash is! Look everyone, Vash is back! Picard likes Vash! Picard thinks Vash is Wonderful!" And in the case of this episode, "See how amazing Vash is! Vash is so great, and so unique, that even Q is intrigued by her. Q is even more intrigued by Vash than by Picard. So much so that Q is going off to have adventures with her just because she's so special. Isn't Vash great?" She's getting into Mary Sue territory here. And yeah, Q would probably get bored with her after a day and a half. No TNG. I don't buy it. Can we move on to something more interesting now?

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Tim Nikiforovs · October 29, 2024

I could never put my finger on it before, but yeah, the show tries to oversell Vash. There have been far worse guest characters, but the show doesn't try to make you think they're amazing.

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BN13 · October 29, 2024

The comments here are something else lol. The Warpspeed, Engage song sums it up perfectly. People are actually paying money to be butthurt by a reaction channel not having the reaction that they wanted them to have. And despite all of their complaints, they still keep paying money, and they still keep coming back. You know you want it!

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SageGreenGoat · October 29, 2024

Somebody's almost certainly said it here, but it's worth knowing: the only two actors here who were actually trained in stage swordfighting were Marina Sirtis and Gates McFadden, and here those two only got to bop people upside the head with pots.

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SageGreenGoat · October 29, 2024

There are moments later, in some series, when I really wish the guest character hadn't come back, this is so chill comparatively

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Captain’s Log · October 29, 2024

B, bag of shit. I forgot about this and Identity Crisis, both are stains on season four.

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David Scudder · October 29, 2024

Do us all a favor. Next time you shit all over an episode and bitch nonstop about KALAAAAAR!!! Boo Hoo!! 20 times,just don't post it and say "We hated this one and had no constructive criticism AT ALL so we're skipping it." For the first time I almost shut it off every few minutes but thought surely at some point you'd stop menstruating and start paying attention to the show. NOPE. Damn sure didn't waste additional time on the bitch sess-I mean discussion. For the record I'd rate this in the lower 25% of the entire series. I LIKE Vaush go figure. And Captain's Holiday wasn't the torture session for me it apparently was for you. I'd rate it about the same.

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Target Audience · October 29, 2024

I think having to read you bitch and moan in this comment makes us even 😏

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Cool Engines · October 29, 2024

Even though Im not a Vash fan I love this episode, The crew as Robin hood and crew I love it.

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Kimmo Siniluoto · October 28, 2024

I love Vash and for me this is great episode. Although I did not like this episode when I was young and watching first time. Nowadays it is something like guilty pleasure.

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Billy T. Riker · October 28, 2024

"I am NOT a merry man!"

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Tim Nikiforovs · October 28, 2024

I think your criticisms of this episode are pretty fair, but I don't have the same visceral distaste for Vash or her related episodes, I just find them dull and skippable. This is a C- for me. The bigger issue IMO is the misuse of Q. Q started out as a slightly malevolent trickster god, but over time started to evolve. His recognition of Riker and later Picard being more than they appeared reshaped the character into a sort of mentor. A higher being guiding humanity on it's trek through the stars. And what do we get here? What great lesson regarding humanity's future does Q teach? "That chick you shared your captain's log with that one time on Risa, she's bad for you bro..........and also I'm stealing your girl, sucker." It's just such a waste of Q and his development over the course of the series. Also the Robin Hood elements were introduced too late to be utilized properly. I do think the cast had fun with this one, and that saves it a little. There are still far worse episodes, but they're usually at least memorable for being so bad. This one is just mediocre and forgettable.

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BN13 · October 29, 2024

Absolutely agree

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Joe Concepts · October 28, 2024

I woulda thought you’d at least like the holodeck-like feel to this one. Guess not. Worf should’ve given it a C.

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Who North America · October 28, 2024

Let's just reflect on the universal truths in this episode... women are trouble.

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Jovet · October 28, 2024

Especially for Doctor Who

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Joe Concepts · October 28, 2024

All this stuff hinges on whether or not you like Vash. I can see her being seen as just plain annoying, but I think their intent was the sort of old school "lady who will get you into trouble" character who clashes with Picard's serious persona. But it's possible to just not like her, of course. But I also think there's a bit of an issue here where the actor gets tired of their character being an upstanding, almost boring kind of person and pushes for having more fun.

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paultardspambot . · October 28, 2024

The federation is a post-scarcity society however the general galaxy is not. So a federation citizen has access to housing, replicators, medical care, etc. But it's not like they are all billionres and can just do whatever they want. Things like intersetellar transportation or other things one might find valuable are "scarce" to some degree. It make sense that a person motivated by greed would not be satisfied with the things other federation citizens have and would want more.

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Heather M Santell · October 28, 2024

This is a great episode and the best line is Word "I am not a merry man". It's one of the best Worf lines ever.

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paultardspambot . · October 28, 2024

wait, I thought you liked the last Q episode, just not as much as the general audience.

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Jovet · October 28, 2024

They did not.

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paultardspambot . · October 28, 2024

i assume this happened in real time and the council people left.

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paultardspambot . · October 28, 2024

Q set it up so he can't change it.

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David Scudder · October 29, 2024

They were to busy complaining to catch that important point.

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paultardspambot . · October 28, 2024

also, did you say Stewart was hooking up with the actress who played Vash? Where did you get that, it wasn't on the Memory Alpha for Captain's Holiday.

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David Brown · October 29, 2024

Someone mentioned it to them in the Captain's Holiday Patron Takes. Patrick Stewart wrote about it in his autobiography, Making It So: A Memoir.

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paultardspambot . · October 28, 2024

On Data- I don't think the arrow actually penetrated his skin, i would think stabbing him would break the blade. Also, Q is basically omnipotent and doesnt have a "true form" we can comprehend. I actually liked captain's holiday. I think the issues are really with the actress who plays Vash. She's not right for the part. She needs to be more a femme fatale type (and frankly better looking.) This episode is obviously camp but it isn't terrible, the problem like with Captain's Holiday is Vash. Also a bit- this was a random hookup, Vash is just using the opportunity, but the crew don't know that and apparently Q doesn't doesn't either (while basically omnipotent he isn't quite omniscient)

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David Scudder · October 29, 2024

Data clearly says it penetrated.

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Aaron Wells · October 28, 2024

By the way, that gag with smashing the lute is a reference to the movie "Animal House". John Belushi smashes a guitar played by a douchebag, and then says..."Sorry."

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Matt Duborg · October 28, 2024

This is one of my favourite silly episodes. Worf is the best in this episode. For me it's a B+ only because of Worf.

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Ian Westcott · October 28, 2024

A lot of people disagreed with you on the dislike for the S3 Q episode, but I think most people will agree with you this time. Vash is just kindof a terrible character. The Ferengi from Captain's Holiday was more entertaining than she was, and that's a rarity in TNG. There are some fun things, the theme, the sets, Worf attacking boy Guy and Geordi's mandolin, but .. I remember liking this one back in the day a lot more than now. A rewatch with you was kindof painful. Some episodes are cute diversions, this was not a fun one. I ranked this B-tier, but my patron rankings are done before an episode rewatch. Definitely changed my vote after rewatching with you!

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Matthew McKinnon-Gray · October 28, 2024

Boy it's going to be interesting to see their reaction to the credits on DS9

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awktopus · October 28, 2024

I'm hoping beyond hope that they're told to skip it / avert their eyes for the credits in first DS9 episode...

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Zack · October 28, 2024

2:44 " OH NO!" Yep you called it

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Cranky Grandma · October 28, 2024

“I am not a merry man!” Should boot it up to a C. 😄. I actually enjoyed this one because it nodded to the old Errol Flynn movies I watched as a kid. Not “a” level but fun. Not surprised at your grade though. Don’t worry, Ira Steven Behr will improve.

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Terminaldogma01 · October 28, 2024

I think you guys will get whiplash between this episode and the next one

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Spencer Loften · October 28, 2024

Agree with this. Next episode seems right up their alley.

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Clyde Frog · October 28, 2024

Up there with a certain Beverly Crusher episode you guys will see later as my least favorite Star Trek TNG episodes ever. I might skip this one lmao

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Jovet · October 28, 2024

There's one worse than all of these!! I almost can't wait to give my F on a SABCDE scale! LOL!

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Shadows of Archonia · October 28, 2024

You guys are finally old enough to be told the truth: Q sucks, and his very presence makes the show ridiculous.

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Jeffrey P · October 28, 2024

Q is fine. He's in some great episodes but also in some of the cheesiest. It's hard to write for a character who is a personification of dues ex machina just as it is for infallible superheroes like Superman and Wonder Woman.

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Lt Dan I Scream · October 28, 2024

you talked about holy grail .. I think this castle set is the same set at least the same design as the set where the dude shoots the arrow

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David Scudder · October 29, 2024

Watch HG again.

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Scarpad’s Domain · October 27, 2024

Yeah I may skip this reaction because I get enough angry watching with me and Nutrek I don't need to watch someone else do it

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David Scudder · October 29, 2024

Wish I'd skipped it. And I have no problem at all with nutrek. It doesn't exist in my universe, except for picard s3.

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SuicuneSol · October 27, 2024

This was a hard watch because I knew you wouldn't like it. I love Captain's Holiday and Vash, but Qpid was overall a low point despite some really funny moments with the crew. (Cmon, "Not a Merry Man" didn't get a rise from you?) The stakes were so incredibly low and the script took itself too seriously. All this just to mend a relationship? There's a ToS episode "Spectre of the Gun" that also features the Enterprise crew in a simulation playing the part of criminals who will soon be executed. That one was interesting because it involved solving the mystery behind the simulation to escape. Ironically, Q took away from the episode because you knew that with a snap of his fingers, it would all just go away.

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Greg Quinn · October 27, 2024

They aren't familiar with the legend of Robin Hood so maybe they weren't aware his band was called "Merry Men"? 🤷‍♂️

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LoTeq · October 27, 2024

I think you guys really missed the salad for the leaves on this one. Jk, you guys or spot on - funny moments and wasted potential. I could like Vash as a character if they just made her a 1 time, sassy, female Indiana Jones. I'm not buying her relationship with Picard at all.

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GreenCauldron08 · October 27, 2024

You must be the only reactors in the WORLD who didn't even crack a smile at Worf saying "I am not a merry man!!". Most people say that's one of Worf's funniest lines.(btw, for the youtube edit of this, I hope your editor puts some cricket sounds along with your lack of reaction to that line XD)

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Derek Orr · October 27, 2024

Yup!! I was floored at their zero reaction to one of the most iconic moments

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Nolan · October 27, 2024

I think there is a disconnect between parts of the fandom, or any fandom, and it comes down to this line of thinking: "It's an absurd and fun, goofy episode, it doesn't have to be serious." You know what absurd, fun, goofy franchise I like? The Fast and Furious movies. Those movies are so utterly dumb. But they are well made, well produced, everyone is having fun and it's a franchise that has established itself over time as being utterly nonsensical awful popcorn flicks, it knows that's what it is and it does it well. Qpid does NOT do this well. It is half-hearted, cynically produced and does not stand up to the quality of the series it stands in. It's an episode that wants to be absurd and goofy, but can't commit because of the world-building establishing these characters and world NOT being that. So it feels disingenuous. TOS was less stoic, the crew more jokey, the production design more whimsical. It COULD get away with absurd goofiness, too an extent. "Brain and brain, what is brain!" Any Star Trek that asks me to turn off my brain to enjoy it, is not good Star Trek, IMO. TOS rarely asked me to do that in it's comedy episodes, this one does. And I refuse. I refuse to be a gawping laughing seal at something I know can and has been better. F&F is dumb and stupid and I'll sit for that ride of shovel-tainment, because it knows that's what it is and does it so well and with sincerity. I just can't with Star Trek because I know it has something serious to say, even when it's being comedic, when it's well produced. To have an episode one week tell me to engage my brain and analyze my world, then next week be told to shut it off to enjoy an episode I just find degrading. No, if it refuses to engage my brain it asked me to turn on, I'm gonna use that brain to analyze where it went wrong. Heaven help the series in an IP that asks me to do that for the whole dang show. So I'll probably never see eye-to-eye with someone who views Trek primarily through the lens of it being goofy and absurd, when for me those are the exceptions and not the rule.

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Derek Orr · October 27, 2024

Wow…tng has plenty of zany goofy moments and comedy…probably more than TOS I don’t understand how or what is cynical in the production of this episode 🤷‍♂️

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Darren · October 27, 2024

QPID, is not good it’s got some funny scenes but it’s not aged well. Hate that Troi and Crusher smash vases over the heads of soldiers as their actors were trained in stage fighting! Re DS9 and Ira Steven Behr… TNG isn’t his best work but he shaped DS9 (with Piller) into one I still love today. DS9 and TNG complement each other well offering alternate views of the universe.

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Ian Westcott · October 28, 2024

That was not Cliff Bole's finest moment. He said specifically that "women didn't fight in the 12th Century, and he can't change history," which is just wrong on so many levels. Geez, Gates McFaddon handled fight choreography on Labyrinth, we knows how swords are supposed to be handled, for crying out loud.

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Nolan · October 27, 2024

Wait, people LIKED this one enough to be mad at your reaction? Personally, I have to remind myself everytime I watch it that "Qpid" is supposed to be a pun on Cupid, and not the show recognizing that it's being "stupid."

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Jovet · October 28, 2024

I think the episode title is a clever pun of both.

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Aaron Wells · October 27, 2024

Surprising. This is exactly the sort of thing I thought the guys would love.

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Derek Orr · October 27, 2024

Agreed

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Jonathan Llyr · October 27, 2024

Watching a reaction when you almost instantly telegraph that you’re going to hate it isn’t as much fun somehow…

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Nolan · October 27, 2024

Man, this is such a new concept to me. Don't get me wrong, I love praising the heck out of things I love and going in depth on the minutia. But I also love just ripping to shreds stuff I feel is bad. And that's from years of critical analysis in elementary english class teaching me that 20 some years ago.

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Greg Quinn · October 27, 2024

Random dumb cross over fact. Stewart played King Richard in Robin Hood Men in Tights. But Clive Revill, who played Guy in this episode (and at 94 is still with us) also played (well voiced) King Richard in 2012's Tom and Jerry: Robin Hood and His Merry Mouse. Useless bit of trivia...

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Ross Townsend · October 27, 2024

I sincerely hope we hear Alex shout and point, “Guy Sir” at some future episode for a new worst character contender, and then, as necessary, “SHOOT HIM!”

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Narnman · October 27, 2024

Did Picard just get cucked at the end of the episode!

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Jovet · October 27, 2024

Nah.

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Joshua Eidson · October 27, 2024

I am not a huge fan of Q. While I enjoy the banter he has with the crew as a plot point (perhaps Q who exception) it usually doesn't hit for me. I do however enjoy making Picard uncomfortable and struggle with letting anyone see him as just a man. C- for me, however I couldn't get rick james out of my head when q was on the couch. F yo couch, Picard! F yo couch!

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Jovet · October 27, 2024

Picard just needs some waffles.

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Steven Linden · October 27, 2024

Have been kind of dreading this one, since it's one I really love and was also 100% sure you would hate.

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Target Audience · October 27, 2024

Bro was like Leonidas in 300 seeing the sky full of arrows 💀

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Atieh B · October 27, 2024

I think this episode was much more amusing in its time because the Robin Hood character was not so overused yet and people had more interest in the story. I still like this episode

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Target Audience · October 27, 2024

The Robin Hood element was our favorite part

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Philbot · October 27, 2024

I wanted to mention that the women (Troi & Crusher) were unhappy with breaking pots on peoples heads. While the Boys were all sword fighting.. even Geordie who I’d wager couldn’t fight a fever. 😆 Gates I believe was the most vocal about it like “Why TF can’t the girls fight?”

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Target Audience · October 27, 2024

Extremely common BASED take from Gates

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THE LORE!!! · October 27, 2024

If you guys hate Ira this much, maybe DS9 won't be for you after all. Edit: I don't think they'll actually dislike DS9, I just think they might see his name and not give it a fair shake, at least at first.

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Raphael Gaytan · October 27, 2024

I was going to make a similar comment. Behr’s take on Star Trek in general…which sort of proudly spits in Gene’s face…is perhaps one of the reasons I was never truly sold on DS9.

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Philbot · October 27, 2024

After seeing this episode like 500 times I’m noticing that I don’t think Vash is much of an actor. She’s pretty wooden maybe at her best when she’s being snarky with Picard. I’ve always liked this one because of Q and the silliness.

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Derek Orr · October 27, 2024

Took you 500 times? Lol

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Ryan Fisher · October 27, 2024

I was hooked on a reaction Patreon for another sci-fi fandom I had a lot of nostalgic for. One of the hosts would decide in advance how a plot should go and if it didn’t, he’d crap over the episode. One week it didn’t go his way and he sat there pouting at the screen, wouldn’t react, and pissed and moaned all through the review. I canceled on the spot. Never looked back That’s the worst case scenario. I come and go with patreons based on time and to spread the money around. I watch another DS9 channel and look forward to the coverage here. I’ll freely admit I’ve had to take TA breaks in the past because the standard something gets held to in 2024 ignores where it stood in 1991, and I don’t need to listen to criticism for the sake of criticism of something I grew up on. That’s on me. You make the show you want to make. You don’t like Vash. You’re annoyed by Q. You clearly decided three minutes in you wouldn’t like the episode. You talked over Worf’s best line and best scene. That’s 100% your right. You gave us a genuine reaction. You keep doing you. How much time do I want to give and money do I want to pay to watch you intentionally not enjoy something? That’s my right to decide. I’m not where I was with the last Patreon, but a few of these and I don’t need to be here. That’s 100% my call, but given the feedback I wanted to offer mine. This isn’t a favorite episode of mine but 45 minutes of you looking angry is not how I needed to spend an afternoon. 😏

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Target Audience · October 27, 2024

You’ve been a Patron close to a year, so you know what to expect here. If you ever decide to head out the support you’ve given will still be appreciated 👍🏻

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KevinH · October 27, 2024

"Everything Jean-Luc does, he does it for Q." - Bryan Adams

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Raphael Gaytan · October 27, 2024

Poor Vash. Damn, guys, I get the feeling the only one who hates Vash more than you two is Patrick Stewart’s ex-wife!!

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Jovet · October 27, 2024

ROTFL!!!!

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Doug · October 27, 2024

I think a lot of commenters are taking this way too seriously. They didn't like the episode and had some fun with it. It sounds to me like people here took that as a personal insult.

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Target Audience · October 27, 2024

They’ll be alright

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Ryan Caulfield · October 27, 2024

As a kid, I always thought Vash was a cool rule-breaker and I could see why someone like the straightlaced Picard would be drawn to her. But now I can see that their relationship seems more forced and less believable. It's as if they love each other but yet don't like each other. Also, you expect me to believe Vash is so captivating that a god-like being (who also implied that he could go back in time) would want to travel around with her? Granted, they are kind of alike, but it's still a stretch. And this also kind of paints Vash in a negative light because she seemed to love Picard when he was an adventurer on vacation, or a swashbuckling hero, but when he has to be the straightlaced Captain again, she just fights with him and chooses Q who can give her adventures all the time. The Robin Hood stuff was really fun though and I agree, it would have nice to spend more time with the crew hanging out there. I also like to think that Q sent Vash's letter because he does care about Picard and didn't want to see him killed, which is nice, but the crew might have just followed Picard on their own.

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Philbot · October 27, 2024

I think Q is mostly bored..he’s just looking for his next adventure so he’s like “I’ll travel with this idiot for a while. See how that goes..”

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Mike Rogers · October 27, 2024

I knew you were not going to be pleased with this one. A "meh" for me too.

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Dark Kronis · October 27, 2024

always wondered who was in charge with the entire command staff gone

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Philbot · October 27, 2024

Barclay 😆

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Edweirdo · October 27, 2024

I always felt that the thing I missed the most in TNG from TOS were the comedic episodes. TOS has some episodes purposefully funny (Tribbles, I Mudd, Shore Leave, Piece of the Action, etc...). TNG doesn't really have anything like that. Sometimes they take themselves too seriously. This episode seems like they may have been trying to do a comedic episodes, but didn't fully commit.

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Jovet · October 27, 2024

I think TNG has a fair bit of comedy, this episode being one of those. Most of the Q episodes are comedic in general nature.

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DG · October 27, 2024

One thought I just had: imagine this episode's narrative in general terms with the Picard/Vash relationship substituted by the Worf/K'Ehleyr one (before the latter's death of course).

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Derek Orr · October 27, 2024

I cant …the entire premise would be radically different. Nothing to compare

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Saucy · October 27, 2024

I liked everything about this episode that didn't have Vash in it.

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Jovet · October 27, 2024

I love the handmaid in Lady Marian's quarters. She was great!

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#MaxwellDidNothingWrong · October 27, 2024

"This doesn't feel like Picard to me" You guys are blinded by who you want Picard to be and who you want to ship him with, instead of enjoying the characters for who they are. She loves archaeology, and isn't stuffy. Sure she's amoral, but she's Picard's "I can fix her". Which IS a vulnerability that blinds him. Vash is not a bad character. Her relationship with Picard is not poorly executed or out of character. You just don't want it to exist.

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DG · October 27, 2024

Yes, this relationship does stress that 'fix' trait in Picard. I would say more, but SPOILER.

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Duncan McDonald · October 27, 2024

Hmm. I remember when this first aired - my friends and I all thought it was hilarious. I have to say, I think you allowed a couple of things to ruin the experience for you - Vash's appearance and the title of the episode. From that point forward, Vash and Q could have come on screen and s**t golden bricks and you would have still dissed it. There are plenty more episodes like this to come throughout the entire franchise, so consider yourselves warned! For me, they serve as light refreshments before the serious stuff kicks in. If you don't think too much about them, you find them more enjoyable.

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Target Audience · October 27, 2024

Considering everything we did enjoy in the episode came after Vash showing up and the title reveal, I’d have to disagree. People tend to look for easy ways to explain away why we don’t care for an episode instead of believing the reasons we lay out in detail in our discussion for some reason

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valen · October 27, 2024

Josh managed to speak over the best scene in this whole episode

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Jeffrey · October 27, 2024

Even how much I like your reactions can't get me to watch through this one

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Sam Langanke · October 27, 2024

If you know the Erroll Flynn classic Robin Hood version of 1938 which this one is based on, you would appreciate it more. Yes, it is silly, but Q is always amusing. And Vash has nice legs. For a human.

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Chris S. · October 27, 2024

I hate bashing actors because they’re probably decent people off screen. But I dont like the actress that plays Vash. Its 2 things: They screwed up with Captain’s Holiday, and that could have gone so different and better. But if she was an irresistible actress like a Suzie Plakson (K’Lar), who was charming and seductive, then it might have been a relief to see her again (maybe). But its her. Because this episode wasn’t great, but it was fun, and the fight scenes were really good. But when she comes on the screen, I have the same reaction: “oh no, not her again”. Its amazing when a different actor takes a role how the choices they make change the character. Who could have done it better? Any ideas?

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Philbot · October 27, 2024

I don’t really get Suzie’s apeal at all? She seems mostly wooden, and “melodramatic” when she’s being Angry Klingon trope, or fighting with Worf.

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maxshenkwrites · October 27, 2024

I have a few to catch up on before I watch this one, but all I'll say is, I've mentioned before how I found Vash singularly unappealing and, as I remember it, this episode does nothing to change my opinion of her. From M*A*S*H - Hot Lips: You think of only ONE thing when it comes to women. Hawkeye: With some women, not even ONE thing. D tier. A wasted Q episode which, as a friend of mine said, strikes me as having been written around the great Worf line "I am NOT a merry man!"

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Deep Red · October 27, 2024

Oh baby, I knew this was gonna be a good one 🤣

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Call ‘Em Greg · October 27, 2024

Gonna be honest, I almost stopped watching this reaction during the scene with Picard and Vash in Marion’s chambers. You guys tend to take another fun episode way too seriously. One word boys: TONE.

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Target Audience · October 27, 2024

The fun stuff is what we enjoyed

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Chris S. · October 27, 2024

ASS. Josh, that was excellent. I almost fell off my chair!

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Josef Nitervol · October 27, 2024

As a Florist that arrangement was terrible!

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Target Audience · October 27, 2024

W occupation

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Ca$hWednesday · October 27, 2024

Never liked this episode. I didn't realize this was an Ira Steven Behr / Cliff Bole joint. What the hell happened? Did they write this on a Friday afternoon real quick because the writing team to screw off to the pub?

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Leyton Jay · October 27, 2024

I certainly feels like it. It goes nowwhere and does nothing, except set up another episode in another series which is even more pointless.

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Turtleboy · October 27, 2024

Go back to and watch the scene where Worf smashes Geordi's mandolin. Apparently, this was unscripted. Look at Beverly/Gates in the background looking surprised and trying not to break.

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Jovet · October 27, 2024

I doubt it was unscripted, since it's a remake of a scene from something else.

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Jovet · October 27, 2024

One of the few discussions I've stopped watching. I really would rather watch you talk about the episode you saw, not the one you think you should have.

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Target Audience · October 27, 2024

nice

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AzoriusMage · October 27, 2024

Please make it stop

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Turtleboy · October 27, 2024

Yes, Patrick Stewart and Jennifer Hettrick had a relationship

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TheKnightwatchOfficial · October 27, 2024

I think they could have started the episode with Q appearing in the hook and telling Picard he wanted to repay him, Picard telling him to go away, then introduce Vash after the hook and after the title...or just kill her off-screen.

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Josef Nitervol · October 27, 2024

I skipped the last two to get to this lol!!! I love Vash! It's a C Episode that's fun

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Collin Freeman · October 27, 2024

I get your response. Not having seen this episode in decades and watching it now, it doesn't hold up as well as I remembered. After watching it with you guys, I might shift my B to a C . You're right: the supporting cast moments are good and save it.

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Jovet · October 27, 2024

For an "absurd ridiculous getaway 'fun'" episode, I think it's fine. Awkward Picard is always entertaining.

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Aramis Calcutt · October 27, 2024

I told you guys before: Déjà Q is the best Q episode. The rest of them are meh. That one is also tons of fun.

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BN13 · October 27, 2024

I can think of others that are better

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Loki Incredible · October 27, 2024

Robin Hood Men in Tights is worth it.... Would love to see that on a reaction from y'all (remember the king's cameo at the end..)

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Darin Wagner · October 27, 2024

Don't worry, apes. I predict you will LOVE the next one.

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Ricky · October 27, 2024

I've been waiting for the moment they will watch the next episode.

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Jovet · October 27, 2024

40:30 Don't get too excited there. Those pots would have done absolutely nothing to those men with helmets on. haha

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Anthony MacEwan · October 27, 2024

We need to put Prince of Thieves and Men in Tights into the movie lottery. This isn't a great episode, but it is fun with the switch up and plenty of meme worthy content came from it. "I am not a Merry Man" -Worf

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Call ‘Em Greg · October 27, 2024

They made this episode in response to Prince of Thieves.

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Forbidden Donut · October 27, 2024

As to Vash, I just never was that into her growing up as a character, and older me likes her even less. Not hate, but... yeah, I don't think she works very well at all, especially as an alleged 'love interest' for Picard. Though in re-watching this episode this morning, I suppose you can interpret it that Picard never did love her, just has some feelings.

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Steve Krautkramer · October 27, 2024

The one bright point to this episode was probably my favorite line of Worf's: "Sir I protest, I am NOT a merry man!"

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Jovet · October 27, 2024

I'm surprised they laff'd at Data getting shot by an arrow more than that.

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Jovet · October 27, 2024

25:25 Yes, Q did that.

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Forbidden Donut · October 27, 2024

Is this a bad time to let you guys know that Ira Steven Behr was the show runner of Deep Space Nine for seasons 3 through 7? LOL Hey, think of it this way: We've all been hyping that show up for you guys quite a bit, so maybe your expectations were starting to get a little too high. This ought to help with that! But I can't leave it at that because I love DS9, so I'll just say.... don't worry!

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DG · October 27, 2024

Yes, and for fans of DS9 arguably more important to the ST franchise than even Ron Moore or Jeri Taylor, but not Michael Piller IMO.

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harrypothead42024 · October 27, 2024

The next episode's a little better than this, I promise.

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Ricky · October 27, 2024

Haha, a little better 😂

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Jovet · October 27, 2024

11:30 I think you two should have been more tickled about Picard's awkwardness.

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Jovet · October 27, 2024

3:15 Earl Grey tea is black tea (which can be caffeinated or decaffeinated) with bergamot oil added. (A bergamot is a kind of cross between an orange and a lemon.)

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Ee'char · October 27, 2024

NOT the last we'll see of Ira!!

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Darin Wagner · October 27, 2024

I have a feeling you apes won't like this one.

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Jovet · October 27, 2024

🙈🙉🙊

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DG · October 27, 2024

I think it inevitable that the TA contrivance of surprise for TNG will often lead to to the kind of disappointment evident here at the start of the episode. Back in the day, regular viewers would likely have been aware of Q's appearance, not just from the episode title or trailer but also from the listing in TV Guide. Also, regarding the request for specific reasons to like this episode: I believe those people assigning tiers of S, A or even B above all like the character of Vash and Hetrick's performance in the role. That's my reason anyway. I would probably have been bored silly if the whole episode had revolved around Q's Robin Hood recreation, as suggested in the review.

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Target Audience · October 27, 2024

That’s fair, but like most of our criticisms the “at that time” reasoning doesn’t account for the frustration based in the show’s inconsistency of sometimes realizing it’s a dumb thing to do and avoiding it then sometimes pretending it doesn’t matter.

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Angelaina Marie · October 27, 2024

I knew you all would hate this one. This was the same year (although just a couple of months before the release of) the Kevin Costner Robin Hood. I think it was 'in the air' and they must have been trying to catch the zeitgeist or something. I personally enjoy all the little bits in it. The man who played Sir Guy, I just saw, was also the voice of the Emperor in the Empire Strikes Back . . . before Lucas replaced him.

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Paul · October 27, 2024

Not a great episode, true, but unlike Captain's Holiday which for me was just kind of meh, this one at least had a few moments that made me laugh.

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reactive1 · October 27, 2024

This is the worst Q episode on TNG and the only one I don’t care for.

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Jovet · October 27, 2024

There's actually another Q episode I think is worse than this one. I don't mind this one that much, but it's not one I would have chosen to make. This one is pretty "stu-q-pid" but it's paced well and not boring. That other one is boring.

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tyranusfan · October 27, 2024

Interesting trivia (if no one mentioned it), Sir Guy was played by Clive Revill, who was the original voice of the Emperor in Empire Strikes Back (the hologram scene, which was retconned into Ian McDiarmid in the blu ray release).

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Philbot · October 27, 2024

Not just the blu Ray it’s on my old dvd. 📀

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Prof Moff · October 27, 2024

No new + on the crew side but here is the board. The sex scoreboard Riker 9 Troi 3 Data 1 Picard 1 no new but a coming back for seconds is noted Worf 1 Geordi 1 Broccoli 2 i Chief 1 Keiko 1 Extras: I am giving Vash +2 . I am sure she bangs both Sir Guy and Q. Good for her at least someone is getting some action. The following was part of the initial post but after comments the publisher takes back all of the below clearly incorrect observations and issues a full apology to the Capt. He is not as lame as we state. ***Once again Picard misses a chance (not that it would have been a +1 since it would be a repeat). A red blooded man would have complained about archaeological theft AFTER the reunion sex. But not Picard. The unKirk decides to go solo or mono.***

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PIG · October 27, 2024

Okey doke. I guess Riker at top is not surprising.

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Ramen Nudels · October 27, 2024

Money isn't a thing in the federation only.

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Call ‘Em Greg · October 27, 2024

Shhhh. We’ve tried explaining this to them before but they don’t get it.

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Ramen Nudels · October 27, 2024

Still better than code of honor

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Jovet · October 27, 2024

"Code of Honor" is fine.

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Spencer Loften · October 27, 2024

You had me for a second during the ratings reveal Josh.

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Paul Hess · October 27, 2024

Picard's mustache raised this episode from an F to a D

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Jovet · October 27, 2024

Not his goatee?