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October 14, 2024

PATRON TIER LIST TNG S4E25

What tier do you rate Star Trek TNG S4E25?

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Comments (68)

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Matthew McKinnon-Gray · October 29, 2024

Of course Riker is in favour of Data jumping into a relationship :) It’s one of a few fun moments in an episode that feels like it should have been 2 separate ones.

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Jeffrey P · October 28, 2024

It looks like we just lost ST:TNG and ST:VGR writer and showrunner Jeri Taylor a few days ago (10/24). Condolences to her friends, fans, and family.

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Clyde Frog · October 28, 2024

Big time meh episode. It's interesting seeing Data trying to date, but it's kinda lame and awkward. Not the best, not the worst, but watchable.

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Jeffrey P · October 28, 2024

"A passionate kiss in the torpedo bay." Is that what the kids call it in the future? I would have gone with "aft thrusters" or "shuttle bay number two."

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Nick Sauer · October 27, 2024

I had not seen this one before and, going into it I was really worried about how it would be handled, but I honestly have to say I really enjoyed it. It was A tier for me and this is coming from a guy whose dating skills were only slightly better than Data's (although my wife assures me I wasn't quite that awkward). I'm honestly surprised at the level of dislike directed at this one.

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Thicketdweller · October 26, 2024

The crewman being dropped halfway through the floor and killed makes me think. Star Trek meets the Philadelphia experiment

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Nick Sauer · October 27, 2024

Yeah, it definitely was a shout out to the USS Eldridge.

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Thicketdweller · October 26, 2024

And now “spot” has a name I wonder which version of spot this was, And how many versions of spot were turned into feline supplement number XX

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Thicketdweller · October 26, 2024

Data’s exploration of human relationships is clearly set forth both as an experiment in an attempt to grow. I have seen many human beings enter into relationships and be as inconsiderate and incomplete in the relationship as Data was however, in real life, I’ve seen many Jenna‘s stay with their automaton boyfriends because they don’t understand relationships either they just know they’re unhappy An incredible episode for trying to explore emotional relationships, and recognizing that many people, though involved in relationships were not ready for them I applaud the director and writers for giving Jenna the strength to move on and separate from Data instead of continuing in a hollow relationship

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Owen Madden · October 26, 2024

An interesting episode, & a further explanation of Data's character. Jenna, though, is a rather weak & unbelievable character. She is a doormat waiting to be stomped on with muddy shoes. Then there is Sir Patrick's direction.... Star Trek's First Officers tend to make great directors. As for the Captains? Best they concentrate on their roles. In spite of the considerable flaws, I have to give this one an "A" simply for exploring this aspect of Data, that, come on - admit it - that we have all had questions about since "The Naked Now."

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Jovet · October 22, 2024

Opening scene too cliché. 👎 I guess I should be relieved there are two performers that we don't actually know... out of a crew of 1000+...

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Jovet · October 22, 2024

I never registered that Data plays the oboe. Oh dear.

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Jovet · October 22, 2024

I DO NOT LIKE this episode. I don't quite hate it, but it's close. I am not going to enjoy watching it again. This episode is silly and misguided. Its only saving grace is it should put to rest those "theories" that "Data has emotions!" once and for all. He doesn't.

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Alexander McKechnie · October 22, 2024

I like this one. Data is not really prepared for an actual relationship but the sincerity of his attempts are endearing.

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Joe Concepts · October 18, 2024

Sorry, but not a favorite for me. I'm fine with fun, light episodes, but this one just comes off as a little too cute for me. I do appreciate that Jenna kind of figures out on her own eventually that this was a bad idea, and that Data isn't capable of this sort of thing yet.

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Jovet · October 22, 2024

This is cringe, not cute.

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jon bolton · October 18, 2024

In a way i'm surprised that at the moment only 25% is showing A tier which is what i go for. Data episodes are usually popular, i guess some people might be put off by the comedy elements, which i love.

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John · October 17, 2024

I watched this episode again so I could rate it. That's 45 minutes of my life I'm not getting back. It's not a terrible episode, but it's not good either. It's one of those really disappointing middle of the road episodes. Somehow, middling episodes are more disappointing than bad ones. C.

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Jovet · October 22, 2024

It's pretty terrible.

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#MaxwellDidNothingWrong · October 17, 2024

Data's day pt2 basically. Guys, guys, put the time machine away, at least wait a season before submitting more fanfic!

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JoeCensored · October 16, 2024

Some good stuff with Data, but an otherwise forgettable episode.

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rear adm. crackbiscuit · October 16, 2024

Yeah, …no.

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Tim Nikiforovs · October 15, 2024

In an effort to understand relationships and be a better boyfriend, Data briefly turns into Lore..............it didn't work out. Also Spot used up one of those 9 lives to not end up like Floor Lady.

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David Wayne Fox · October 15, 2024

Forget everything else...this gets an A for the most shocking death scene in Star Trek!

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Sixto · October 15, 2024

Look at our boy all grown up! 🥹 this b plot sucks worst than asking an android for dating advice, but the data plot hits hard ! Solid A

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Ian Westcott · October 15, 2024

Unfortunately, as with most episodes Patrick Stewart directed, it's fairly boring and forgettable (except for that death!).

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reactive1 · October 15, 2024

The B-plot was much better than the A-plot.

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KatWithAttitude · October 15, 2024

One of the most horrific crew member deaths in TNG, and that's saying something. Picard directs! Data does his best to be a good boyfriend to Jenna but it isn't enough. His line to her after the breakup "Then I will delete the appropriate program" is really kind of heartbreaking. I have it ranked as "Excellent".

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Shortskirtsandexplosions · October 15, 2024

I like this episode. Given everything the writers were doing with Data, it was only a matter of time before they tackled this topic. What's both silly (and a little sad) is how--as I've gotten older--I relate very personally to Data, especially in this episode, f'naaa. Two other take-aways is that this is Patrick Stewart's directorial debut in Trek, and hory fucking shiet does the B-plot give us unexpected nightmare fuel.

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Narnman · October 15, 2024

Honey I'm home

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tyranusfan · October 15, 2024

Patrick Stewart’s first directorial effort. He said he was lucky to get a Data episode, as those always went over well. Continuity Alert: Worf mentions that the windows are transparent aluminum, the same as what Scotty traded Dr. Nichols for the plexiglass he used to build the whale tank.

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Who North America · October 15, 2024

I love this episode. This is a lovely segue from Data's talk with Troi on how he has not "ruled out getting married." And I find the ending an interesting precursor to the concepts behind, "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind," which came later (2004)...

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Dan Halstead · October 14, 2024

A couple missed opportunities for this episode to be something more, but any episode carefully exploring Data's humanity is still worth at least an A. Some fun moments too.

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LonghillAndy · October 14, 2024

Spots the only girl data needs

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Regan · October 15, 2024

When Spot IS a girl. That cat changed gender and appearance more times than I can remember.

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The Ninth Doctor · October 14, 2024

C+. Its another angle at the traditional love story, let down with the guest actress who is kinda annoying. Although as it's played for comedy, it's just about tolerable. And of course, Patrick Stewart directing means that Picard *has* to pilot the shuttle alone to guide the ship out of the nebula - despite there being dozens of competent pilots aboard (maybe better than him, except for lack of plot arnour). Just about watchable, but meh for any rewatch value. Good case here to consider adding a new 'Yes/No' episode criteria for Season 5 onwards - 'Would you want to watch this again' perhaps..? 😄

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Steven Cressler · October 14, 2024

Very good, 8.4/10, A+. Super underrated imo and one of my favorites. B-Plot's decently interesting, pretty disturbing death, but obv I just care about the A-Plot. Data's my favorite character and its cool to see him in his first relationship, which I'd consider possibly the most important part of life on Earth (or in space). I do think he did seem a little TOO emotionless at times, but it doesn't really affect my opinion of the episode. Seeing a (mostly) emotionless man trying to naviagate a heavily emotional situation like this was very interesting. Something about that last shot was very chilling, more so than any shot of actual sadness could have been, as it confirms that, as much as we'd like to believe, and as he no doubt wishes, the experience never truly brought him happiness. The last scene overall hits hard. Prob the most underrated so of TNG imo

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Tim b · October 14, 2024

I successfully repressed most of this episode. Not that it's terrible, but cringe and boring enough to skip when re-watching the show.

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Jovet · October 22, 2024

It is terrible. It's okay to admit it.

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jon bolton · October 14, 2024

For me a comedy episode worthy of A.

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Jovet · October 22, 2024

I don't find bad relationships very funny. Guess it's just me.

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Cranky Grandma · October 14, 2024

Another Cringy episode. We have some really good episodes this season but a few that are not good. The idea sounds like a good follow up to Data saying he was interested in experiencing marriage a few episodes ago, but the way they executed this was downright embarrassing. It had a few good moments but overall it’s one I skip. I will give it a “C” because I’m in a generous mood.

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Jovet · October 22, 2024

Very rare D for me.

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Spencer Loften · October 14, 2024

I feel like this episode portrays Data as being a bit too limited. I'm also not too sure what the takeaway is at the end. That Data is incapable of growing further? He definitely didn't learn anything in this episode. He just has an awkward relationship and there is no character growth that comes from it. Isn't the point of Data supposed to be that he is more than just a machine? I just feel like Data regresses as a character after this one.

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Cranky Grandma · October 14, 2024

Well said. I had trouble putting my finger on why I disliked this one so much, other than I cringed a lot, but you hit the nail on the head. This episode is rather pointless and there is no growth.

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Greg Quinn · October 14, 2024

Data deleting her file in front of her is an ice cold sigma male playa move.

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Matt Newmark · October 14, 2024

At least he didn't show up in dirty underwear and a nasty wife beater T.

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THE LORE!!! · October 14, 2024

This episode is well-placed in the season and series overall. At this point, I think the production team was getting the sense that the audience was seeing emotions in Data that aren't there. And this is kind of a reminder that maybe we were just seeing the emotions that we wanted to see in Data.

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Jovet · October 22, 2024

Bingo! Hopefully this puts all that "but he has emotions!" silliness to bed.

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JGoss · October 14, 2024

"Honey, I'm home!" Apparently Data CAN use contractions if he's quoting something or using a special program to say it. Maybe he should use that as a workaround. Or the writers just forgot again.

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Jovet · October 22, 2024

"Honey, I am home" would have been on-character and increased the factor of amusement.

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Nolan · October 14, 2024

Shoulda been titled "Data's Date" It's a fine episode, interesting to see Data in a new situation. Patrick Stewart is in the director's chair for the first time, so of course he calls this his favorite episode of Star Trek.

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Keith S · October 14, 2024

B. I actually found the B plot to be more interesting. Features one of the most disturbing deaths in a Star Trek. I mean getting stuck in the floor? Creepy.

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JGoss · October 14, 2024

This might have been a better episode with better casting. The actress just has a nails on chalkboard voice especially when she gets whiny. What saves this episode is the nightmare fuel of the lady in the floor. That might get a Remmick head explode reaction out of you. I also predict this will be one where you mockingly bring up "THE PLOT!"

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Nolan · October 14, 2024

My nails on a chalkboard guest actor isn't until DS9 S2, ugh, I have squim through that episode.

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BN13 · October 14, 2024

This one's ok, but Data's Day does this better. Jenna's not very interesting, and I always forget about this episode. Good concept, but I feel like they could have done this better somehow. B for could have been better.

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Forbidden Donut · October 14, 2024

I think this episode serves as a reality check for the audience and how we all tend to project more humanity onto Data than is actually there. Despite how the actor's performance and other writers in past episodes hint otherwise, he is in fact not a 'real boy'. I love Data and Brent Spiner, but just calling it how I see it. Overall, a good not great episode, and it gets a B from me.

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Jovet · October 22, 2024

Yes 👍👍👍

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Collin Freeman · October 14, 2024

Another episode I hang on the cliff about the rating, but I will again give it the benefit due to Brent Spiner's acting and give it a B.

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Elway Simpson · October 14, 2024

Does that say Directed by Patrick Stewart? Look at our boy go. Wish it was a little better, but decent first try

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Ross Townsend · October 14, 2024

People are gonna vote this low, but TA (and many of us) thrive on slice-of-life episodes, and I think this one impacts more because of Data’s Day making Data’s thought processes and perspectives more understandable to us all. Troi did say it, “Data, you -do- have a lot to offer!”

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marty63026 · October 22, 2024

I’m sure Troi and Yar talked about how fully functional Data is, Troi knows what’s up 😂

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TheKnightwatchOfficial · October 14, 2024

C episode for me. A lot of good, and lot of really bad. Interesting concept, but I just couldn't fully buy into it. *shrug*

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marty63026 · October 14, 2024

Well when Data said he was considering a romantic relationship it was legit. I like how to Data, it’s a subroutine that he needs to perfect but to Jenna she is having feelings for a man that cannot share those feelings, only learn how to respond to her emotions. B tier

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Evan Guthrie · October 14, 2024

Hearing the Lieutenant scream and then seeing her morphed into the ground is probably the most chilling moment of the season. I would imagine Picard’s letter to inform her family was… interesting.

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Steven Linden · October 14, 2024

Curious as to what your takeaway is from this one - does Data really have emotions of a sort, or are we (and Jenna) projecting emotions onto him because we want him to have emotions?

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Jovet · October 22, 2024

Up to now they have been convinced he has. Will be fun to see if that changes now. Spoiler alert: they still do think he has emotions.

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Dion James Pitman · October 14, 2024

It's nice to see the O'Briens with Data and his new love interest...oh and Patrick Stewart gets a turn in the Director's chair.