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We Need to Talk About 'Shades of Gray' (1 of 2)
We Need to Talk About 'Shades of Gray' (2 of 2)
April 17, 2024

We Need to Talk About 'Shades of Gray'

THURSDAY'S YOUTUBE VIDEO - Discussion on Star Trek TNG S2E22 - Shades of Gray

YouTube link if you would like to watch it there (with ads) - https://youtu.be/HAQDkGkzKJM

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Nathan Cline · April 18, 2024

I think it has the level of hate it has now, because its a clip show in the middle of a beloved show that we can easily watch over and over for the last 30+ years. It really adds nothing, even mediocrity. Its not a laugh for absurdity (Spock's Brain), its not people trying to transpose racism on it because they happened to make a somewhat tribal alien species all black (Code of Honor), etc.

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Nathan Cline · April 18, 2024

The episode where they needed to de-age Pulaski they mentioned how she had never gone through their transporter yet, so they needed to find a hair sample to revert her to her normal DNA .

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Nathan Cline · April 18, 2024

Spoiler : If you haven't seen it, the comment during the live stream about historical documents is a reference to the movie Galaxy Quest.

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William McRae · April 18, 2024

HOT TAKE: I would much prefer a "clip show" episode to a mediocre/badly written original episode any day of the week. I'm of that generation that remembers when both hour-long dramas and half hour comedy shows did this and had no problem with it at all. I enjoy the occasional trip down memory lane. I'm aware that most people hate this premise (which explains why no show has done this is over two decades) but the lameness and inherit cheesy factor wins me over

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AmmaLeslie · April 18, 2024

I like the closing song!!!

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Mark Wood · April 18, 2024

The Thing that sucks is Paramount was not obligated to produce X number of episodes to the affiliates. And since the financial deal with he affiliates was that they didn't pay Paramount anything for the series. The deal let Paramount directly sale nationwide ads for part of the ad time of the show (the affiliate got the local ad time). It was a gamble to convince affiliates to sign for a longer term, then what is normal for syndication. It worked great for both parties as the show was a hit from the get go, even at the lowest ratings point. So making another episode yet not fully funding it was Paramounts way of increasing its profit (and yes the show made profit every single year it aired). So tis was just fatting up their profit. And since this isn't network it's not in service of proping up the nights line up. I would have had far more respect if they just didn't produce it. Everyone was already very aware that the season would be shorter.

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misqellaneous · April 18, 2024

When I was a kid, I’d watch ST every day after school. Rerun after rerun after rerun. I had seen all of these episodes several times. I now have a near encyclopedic knowledge of TNG. So whenever this one came on, it kinda felt like “oh, guess there’s no ST today.” It was always such a huge disappointment.

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Numinous2019 · April 17, 2024

It was really unfortunate that S2 ended with a re-cap reminding viewers of S1 and S2. This was like a sales pitch (to keep watching TNG into S3) that listed all the shortcomings of the product so far. I stopped watching regularly and only when I was at home anyway with nothing else to do. It took another season and a half for TNG to change my viewing pattern.

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Lost Monk · April 17, 2024

They didn’t do this clip show to save money. They did it because of the Writer’s strike.

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Jovet · April 18, 2024

Writer's strike was already over I thought? And the budget was over, too.

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Jack&Dino · April 17, 2024

Shades of Gray: One down, 49 to go. Not to sound like Troi, but for context (for younger viewers)… shows that didn’t do clip shows back in the day were a rarity. As frustrating as it might be for a viewer of the show, shows relied on them to stretch budgets and give new viewers a greatest hits to get the first time watchers interested. Think of it this way: if it was a regular episode, they’d be draining the money from something else. A great effects shot, guest star, set, or make-up job that resonated with us might not have been possible or been ruined without doing it. “We don’t really have the money for two Klingon episodes, so instead of Riker being on a Klingon ship, can we make it a bunch of folks with two sets of eyebrows instead?” Cost of business, just like bad bottle episodes.

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D'Lytning · April 17, 2024

Since most people hadn't seen the original pilot episode 'The Cage', 'The Menagerie' was at least a creative way to make two episodes for the price of one. 'Shades of Grey', unfortunately, did not have that advantage, and so it felt like a much cheaper effort. That didn't stop us from looking forward to better shows, and luckily, we got 'em. Buckle up, kids! It's about to get consistently better!

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Jack Shipley · April 17, 2024

In context, its amazing people tuned in for season 3 at all. To end on such a low note! I think it really was the reality of TV shows have clip shows that got people to tune back in. You could never get away with this today.

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Steven Johnson · April 17, 2024

You get 6 episodes, and one of them is a clip show.

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Just another Red Shirt · April 17, 2024

I think this episode is good for showing us what it’s like when the budget runs out and show runners need to come up with one more episode. 😂

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badvertised · April 17, 2024

Watching this episode as a kid when it aired, it honestly hadn't occurred to me yet that an episode of a professionally produced television show could be done badly: no consideration of budget constraints, strikes, deadlines, etc... If a clip show aired, I just assumed that clip shows were just a thing that real television shows did.

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Dru Blood · April 17, 2024

Andddddd a special shout out to Miles O'Brian, we all love that guy!!!

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Jovet · April 18, 2024

I don't have any particular affinity or reverence for him. My guess is he's just the "everyman" that most every man identifies with.

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Dru Blood · April 17, 2024

Riker recaps... I've always had the motto, all trek is good trek and well this one is definitely on the very low end of the good. I'm just very happy you guys have made it to the end of s02 and now the fun can really begin 😏

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ConditionsCloudy · April 17, 2024

I abide by the all-trek=good-trek philosophy until the very moment Voyager ends. Do you feel that way about Enterprise and all the modern trek shows too?

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Ee'char · April 17, 2024

I think I've found the episode when the trailer voice over guy gets replaced by one who doesn't over dramatise the "STARRRR" in Star Trek. It can't come soon enough.