(Ep 2) - Let's talk “PLURIBUS” ~ With FoxTaco & FrankFreezy

I downloaded this to watch on my bus to nyc right now I got so excited you read my question lol I also think I'd be way more angry and crashing out harder than carol did but also I dont think she cared about anyone else other than Helen and herself

How did you two meet? Friendship origin story!

I wondered if the original creators didn't need to kill anything to eat or didn't need to eat . Picking an apple doesn't kill the tree. If they avoid killing insects as much as possible, aren't viruses, bacteria, cancer alive? Are they ok killing those?

This was great! Makes me want to rewatch now lol thank god for shows like this that are so well done and thought provoking Even though it seems like the world is getting dumber and darker, at least we do have artists that can shake things up. Something the Hive also took away.

I love that the vehicle discussion came up. I thought about that while watching the show. After the joining, Carol is driving the truck with the unicorn on the hood. She’s essentially a unicorn as 1 of 13 people in the whole world who weren’t affected by the virus. When she’s driving the cop car, she’s in that investigative mode. Finding the milk cartons and figuring out what was in them, etc. Then, she starts driving the rolls as she finds out (or at least she thinks) that she can’t be converted. Now, she’s given in and is driving the luxury car. And, yes, Manousos and the ambulance is reminiscent of first responders going in without hesitation to help people.

Hell yeaaaa

1:28:12 Consent. Does Zosia making the first move to kiss Carol grant Carol consent to have sex with her/it? It def feels different than Koumba, but can Zosia (the person that was/is in her body) really give consent? This had not occurred to me.

1:02:40 Love the question and discussion about the police car & ambulance. What occurred to me during that discussion is that Carol shoots that gun b/c what Manousos is doing to the Hive {Rick} is causing pain for Zosia. But only a few episodes before that, she was willing to inject Zosia with truth serum to get info from her, causing the cardiac arrest. She only cares now because she has feelings for Zosia and sees Zosia as "hers" -- she's lost in the sauce at that point. Zosia even says that Manousos warned them before he did what he did to Hive/Rick. Carol doesn't do that when she injects Zosia/Hive. Carol's angst at Zosia being hurt by what Manousos is doing is not that different from Lakshmi being pissed off that Carol's behavior hurt her son and killed her family member.

Frank, your comment about Louis/Lestat parallels so well with what you two spoke on just before that -- telling the truth (no lies) and being withholding. What Lestat says to Louis is (mostly) true, but he's also withholding a shit ton of information on vampiric life. That's why Madeleine's turning is the most beautiful and moving. Claudia let her read her diaries, Claudia answered her questions, and Claudia gave her an informed choice that was based on truth as well as granting transparency. The hive may tell the truth as it sees it (I mean, that's kinda biased, too, isn't it?), but it's also withholding important information from those that are immune. Taco brought up the idea in his reaction wondering if they took anything from Manousos when they had him knocked out to treat his wounds from the tree. I had not even thought of that possibility. But if they're willing to take Carol's eggs without consent, why couldn't they have done that to Manousos? Their reason is that they cannot cause pain -- if he's knocked out and under anesthesia, he wouldn't feel pain. Anyway, I got off track, but my point is that your parallel from the hive/immune to Lestat/Louis was really insightful.

14:44 Dude burned his beloved car just to prove his point: "Nothing on this planet is yours. Nothing. You cannot give me anything because all that you have is stolen. You don't belong here." 🔥

THIS. IS. AMAZING. 🤩💚 Thank you both for the kind shout out! Among the MANY things I love about your reactions, I think what I love most is the level of intelligent discourse. I crave analysis of any text (English teacher, you know!), so the depth of the discussions in your reactions and the layers upon layers that you both uncover + the additional brilliance of the commenters on Patreon = my cup is full. Much love.

You KNOW which show we want!! Interview please!

This was fantastic! Loved watching your conversation.

S/O to Frank, brother stayed up most of the night editing down the video 🙏🏿♥️

"oh sure! 😀😀😀😀" lmfao