Deep dive videos on completed shows🎬
I’m trying to make a series of videos where we discuss shows that we’ve covered. You guys can contribute by dropping questions or discussion topics that I can cover. Probably on live or in a pre-recorded video. The first one I want to start with is PLURIBUS!
So if that interest you, go ahead and drop short questions or discussion topics for me to cover. Your comment and name will be featured in the video. PLS make them short🙏🏾😭 if you have multiple things, make multiple short comments🩷
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Not sure if my question is on topic but I was thinking: as a black woman I had a particular connection with Louis and Claudia's story in iwtv s1 & 2. Overall tackling race in this show was such a brilliant idea and great execution. While I'm eager to get into s3, do you also have some apprehension regarding having a white male character as the main focus? Mostly about your level of interest in the story and ability to relate.
Copy & Paste from Taco's reaction to Episode 3: 51:59 What I remember thinking at the time with a little bit of what I'm thinking now WITHOUT spoilers: This one is a conundrum. They have this biological imperative to spread the "virus" that makes them all "happy" (basically, automatons), but where does this virus come from? How did it get picked up by the satellites? Who/What sent it? Created it? Because it presents itself as doing good for the world, we're supposed to assume it's not going to destroy the world -- like most apocalyptic/science fiction. So, if we take that as truth, then why would they allow someone else to destroy the world (a grenade, rocket launcher, atom bomb)? Zosia the individual is gone and now part of this hive, but Carol legit could have killed her physical body with the grenade that she/they/it willingly gave to Carol. At the time, I remember just thinking this is insanity -- why would they/it allow the immune the power of destruction or the ability to harm them? It just occurred to me that they/it didn't anticipate that anyone would be immune. Anything to make Carol happy, right? So, could Carol commit self-harm and they would allow it? Could Carol kidnap and torture a member of the hive mind? Could Carol start fires to destroy communities? Could Carol shoot and kill the infected? Could Carol blow up a building with "people" inside? All of this is seemingly YES. What kind of "biological imperative" is that?? Insidious, for sure.
So, I'm rewatching the episode where they refill the grocery store for Carol (with FoxTaco!). It made me think about cooperation and collaboration -- it is appealing to see people working together to accomplish a goal. But without Carol, or another immune individual, who decides WHAT they do? What would the world look like with no Carol? No immune individuals? I started thinking about the idea of power, but more accurately of authority or leadership. Does the hive mind have a "leader"? Is EVERYTHING they do done by "biological imperative"? There has to be some end goal? Right?
I’m a sucker for details and allegories, I would love to know how you interpret Carol using a cop’s car and Manousos using an ambulance, and what that might represent for their characters / the story
1) If you were in Carol's position, how would you react? Who do you relate to the most out of all of the survivors? 2) how would you spend your days in her position if you could have anything you want and need? 3) What do you think their goal is after everyone is either dead or turned on this planet? Do they space travel to another planet? Do they stay here until they starve to death?
For Pluribus: What do you think is the purpose of the virus? Specifically, do you think the creators of the virus had good or bad intentions for using it? Or do you think it’s not even a virus at all? I doubt it’ll be super relevant to the show, but it might be fun to think about.
This is my answer, so don’t read any further if you don’t want any possible influences lol. I highly doubt it with be revealed, but I 100% think the ones who created the virus had bad intentions for it. The virus makes people initially happy, helpful, and unable to cause harm. Basically, it makes them easy to be invaded/conquered. People infected with the virus won’t be able to kill potential invaders or attackers, and the fact that if one infected person is attacked, all other infected people go into seizure-mode, makes them easily subdued. The biological imperative to spread the virus also ensures everyone is infected when it’s time for the invasion. Maybe the virus was created as a weapon of war and it accidentally got out and spread across the universe. I don’t know but there are so many possibilities.
The issue that keeps coming up for me is informed consent, especially when I think about the initial spread of the "virus." This idea of it being a "biological imperative" flies in the face of choice from both the spreader and the recipient. Kusimaya is the only person we see making a choice based on the information she's been given. So only the immune can give consent? Discuss. I'm also curious about what is really happening to the infected. Is it like body snatchers? But that's more theory-crafting and I'm honestly more interested in the philosophical and ethical issues the show presents.
Like TWD zombies must kill to survive. But this show presents the spread of the infection as a gift to others.
I sadly haven't found time to watch this particular show yet, but I wanted to say I love the idea of this.
The idea that interests me about Pluribus is communication and what it would be like to be in the hive. Generally, we think that more communication and more understanding between people is a good thing. I think it’s how we build love - knowing someone else really well, the way they know themselves, all their thoughts and feelings and motivations, it leads us to loving them the way they love themselves. So generally … love and understanding and communication are good. This show takes it to an extreme. What if we had telepathy? Telepathy you can’t turn off? We’d all know every other human being just as well as we know ourselves. We’d love them all. Their thoughts, their dreams, would be just as important to us as our own, we’d die for any of them the way many people would die for their spouse or their children. You wouldn’t really be able to tell them apart from yourself - was that voice in your head you, or your neighbor, or your brother? Does it even matter? The noise would probably be deafening. The only thing that might break through is consensus, agreement, enough voices saying the same thing together. Wouldn’t that be a good thing, though? Everyone agreeing, you and all the people you love? Working together for once? Making the world better for once? Would you care that you can’t hear your own voice in the crowd, you can’t tell what the old you would have believed? And what would happen if, somehow, that telepathy was turned off for a moment? Would you find you had been screaming inside the whole time? Would you find you had forgotten how to think at all? Would you miss being together with everyone?
Do you think that most people would value their individuality over being connected to their loved ones? The main philosophical/existential problem in Pluribus is the challenge of the people you love still being alive, somewhere in the hive mind. And you could connect with them again but it would mean giving up your individual self. How can people reconcile this? Staying singular and alone or reuniting with the people they love and accepting the collective unconscious as a collective conscious being. Do humans lean more toward being part of the group or being themselves? What would you do if your family were already part of the hive?
Sorry I didn’t keep it short 😭😭😭
Interview with the Vampire. I wonder If WE will see things differently after season three.
Topic: What would be the benefit of having an atomic bomb in this world?
Bouncing off this 😳 do you think the hive mind would let her bomb them all one-by-one and keep providing the bombs to do so?
oh but okay, Pluribus! there was a tumblr post I had seen that said Carol views the Others as a conversion camp while Manousos views them as colonizers. I would love your thoughts on that, whether you agree or disagree.
oh I love this! I'd actually thought about suggesting something similar because I know you've watched Heated Rivalry (WITHOUT US 😭) but I was still interested in your thoughts on it.
Topic: Do you feel that the show respects the viewer's intelligence?
Yes 🔥 love this idea 😊
Should we focus only on shows you’ve completed? I’d love to hear your thoughts on religion in Six Feet Under
Yes only shows I’ve completed. Pluribus for this first one
