UVA "Study" Pretends Out-of-Body Experiences are Real
HEY PATRONS! Sorry for getting this up so late but I'm a bit behind this month, so it's going live immediately. Enjoy!
Transcript:
Have you ever had an out-of-body experience? I’m not speaking metaphorically, like that time you farted in front of your workplace crush, or something. I’m talking about the feeling of your “mind” or “spirit” floating outside of your body and experiencing the world without physical senses.
It’s actually surprisingly common: various drugs can make you feel that way, and there’s a psychiatric disorder called depersonalization-derealization disorder, in which some people feel that they’re moving through the world with a third person view.
And then, of course, there’s the current mini-trend of wearing a VR headset while watching a drone video of yourself. I guess it’s even more confusing than it looks.
That last example is the closest one to what many people think of as a “real” out of body experience: not just the sensation that you aren’t in your body, but the actual ability to see your body from afar, and thus presumably the ability to float around and see other stuff. Secret stuff. Nuclear launch codes. Your friends talking about you behind your comatose body. Penises.
That’s the kind of “out of body experience” that interests people who are into the idea of psychic powers and other supernatural claims: when someone says, for instance, that they died on a surgical table and saw the doctors working on them from above and seeing things that they couldn’t possibly have seen, did that really happen?
I’m talking about this today NOT because I wanted to show that video of the guy eating shit while trying to run with a VR headset on. Well, not just because of that. No, I wanted to talk about it because of this incredibly stupid press release I saw last week: “Trial Testing Out-of-Body Experiences Produces Unexpected Twist,” from the public relations office at the University of Virginia School of Medicine.
“A test to determine if people who report out-of-body experiences could identify objects in another room produced results no better than chance.”
Oh. Well, that settles that. Okay, goodbye everyone!
Oh wait, sorry, the sentence goes on: “A test to determine if people who report out-of-body experiences could identify objects in another room produced results no better than chance, BUT afterward something strange happened: Two participants described, unprompted, researchers’ locations and activities behind closed doors.”
Wow, fascinating. Let’s read on:
“The participants’ unexpected observations were not part of the trial’s predefined outcome measures and therefore can’t be considered evidence for out-of-body experiences, or OBEs, UVA Health investigators say.”
Oh, well then, that wraps that up oh wait there’s more, again: “BUT the unexplained results may help researchers design better, more effective ways to evaluate the potential validity of a phenomenon that has been reported for decades.”
Sigh.
So, this “study,” published in the latest edition of a journal called “EXPLORE,” involved 21 subjects who were asked to induce an out-of-body experience and float to a different room and observe an unknown object pictured on a laptop screen in that room.
Now, you may already have a few questions and I will try to address each of them in due time. First of all, you may wonder where they found 21 people who were asked to do this and who did not immediately just gather their things and walk out of the room, because what the fuck. They found them at the International Institute of Projectiology and Conscientiology, a gathering place in Brazil for people who think they can astrally project their souls into other rooms to look at computers.
You may also be wondering if I misspoke when I said that the press release for this study came from the University of Virginia School of Medicine, a prestigious institution that was literally founded by Thomas Jefferson. I did not, in fact, misspeak. We’ll get back to it.
But first, the “study:” ten of the 21 subjects said they induced an out of body experience and saw the image on the screen in the other room. Another three said they did NOT have an out of body experience, but they did have a mental projection and were confident they knew what the image was.
As mentioned, they didn’t do well. You’d think it would be easy, like it’s a picture of an banana and if the person says “banana” they get it right, but the language in the study makes it sound like the researchers gave the subjects plenty of chances to get it through vague keywords. And yet still, they didn’t do better than chance, so the study found in favor of the null hypothesis: there is no evidence that a person can project their mind into another room.
But that’s no fun, so they pushed that aside to point out that two out of the 21 subjects “reported accurate details about experimenters’ locations and activities in an adjacent room.” What were the experimenters doing? Juggling fire? Bare knuckle boxing? Karaoke? No. They were sitting there taking notes. Truly impressive stuff, for two subjects to magically know that somehow.
This is a great example of why a good study lays down in advance what, exactly, will be studied. Because if you don’t do that, and stick to it, then a desperate researcher can grab ahold of any random blip and point to that as the real result. It’s not. Not only was “What are the researchers doing and where are they sitting” NOT the question, but anyone who could project into that room and see that should have had no trouble seeing what was on the computer. If they couldn’t detect 2D objects for some reason, then a real astral projector would say that–not guess at what was on the screen and get it wrong.
This is obvious to anyone who does not have a vested interest in supernatural powers existing, but unfortunately that is clearly not how one could describe these researchers. The lead researcher even went on a local news program to be completely anti-science in an interview.
Nope. No, it does not “open up the pathway to more research.” This is garbage. Humans do not have supernatural powers, and your study is one more piece of evidence on the mountain of evidence we have proving this. But I have no doubt that this team is already spending more grant money on a new trial to see if humans can astrally project themselves into another room to tell which armchair someone is in.
So, why is the University of Virginia spending money on this completely pointless exercise? The answer is that the second wife of the guy who invented the Xerox machine thought she was a psychic and convinced him to give a shit ton of money to the University of Virginia for the express purpose of giving an endowed chair to a quack who believed he could prove that reincarnation is real and that people can remember past lives. When the Xerox guy died, he left an additional million dollars to UVA for the continuation of what became known as the “Division of Perceptual Studies” at the University of Virginia School of Medicine.
The quack, Ian Stevenson, compiled extensive case studies in which (according to his former assistant) he would ask leading questions of children from families that believed in reincarnation, writing down every time they said anything that resembled a true fact about someone who had previously died and conveniently ignoring all the nonsense they said. Whenever anyone tried to fact check these case studies, they were found to be complete bullshit. For instance, a man named Edward Ryall claimed to be the reincarnation of a man named John Fletcher who had died in Somerset, England, in 1685, and Stevenson’s research confirmed that everything Ryall claimed was accurate. When other, slightly more careful researchers pointed out that John Fletcher never existed, Stevenson conceded that he can’t believe EVERYTHING Ryall said but he was still sure that he used supernatural powers to describe aspects of living in 17th-century Somerset.
Stevenson became obsessed with a type of test of proving some afterlife existed, by having people set a combination lock using a series of letters or numbers that were very important to them during life and promising to pass this information on to loved ones after they died. As part of his work at UVA, he collected these locks and encouraged people to get in touch if they received any kind of message with the correct code. No one has ever opened any of them. When Stevenson himself died in 2007, he left behind his own lock. It remains locked to this day.
Despite this lifetime of being wrong, Stevenson’s legacy remains in the complete waste of money that results in a bunch of people standing around a computer screen with a picture of a banana on it while people in another room try and fail to say “banana.” The good news is that as of this recording, it appears that no one other than local news has picked up on the juicy story that two people randomly said that they knew someone in another room was taking notes during a scientific experiment.
The other good news is that if you live in Brazil, you have the opportunity to have a go at your own Alpha Project, the legendary hoax in which James Randi helped two young magicians repeatedly fool researchers who thought they could find evidence for supernatural powers back in the 1980s. For more on that, check out the excellent podcast World’s Greatest Con, and pick up a few pointers before you apply to become the world’s next great psychic. Clearly the bar here is very, very low, so I know you can do it. Boa sorte!
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Comments (11)
I guess it isn’t quackery when one has actually experienced looking down on one’s own body. Some of is don’t have beliefs or theories. We have experiences.
I've studied AP for decades. I can regularly do the things that other people describe as an out of body experience, but I've never learned any information that I shouldn't know. I think it's lucid dreaming, not actually leaving my body. I wish it were real, or at least I wish I could delude myself into believing it was real.
I’m SO tired of the notion of mind-body dualism - a zombie notion, if you will, for its persistence - that arises from the fact that we use a noun - “mind” - to describe something that should more accurately be described with a verb: the *activity* of our brain-nervous system: thinking, feeling, sensing. This mistaken duality - the idea that there’s a thing called mind, made out of some mysterious ‘mind-stuff’ that exists in parallel to our brain-body systems, which are made of matter (atoms, etc.) is a huge mistake. “Mind” isn’t a *thing* at all, any more than moving or breathing or seeing are *things*; they’re *activities* of bodies. We don’t ‘have’ bodies; we *are* bodies. It’s incoherent and nonsensical to imagine that the activity of a body could exist independent of that body.
Yes. I was watching myself from above. But I had a severe concussion from football game. I was then in extreme pain at the local carnival that night out of no where. I was at one point. Watching myself walk around clung to my mother, from above. I've had multiple concussions since then. None triggered that effect. Even more severe one after that where I was knocked unconscious. But nope that was only time a head injury caused such an effect. It was triggered when I started puking if I remember correctly. From that moment on I was like no longer in my body but watching from above. I've smoked DMT since then and had a much different "out of body" like I didn't see my body at all, I was I another dimension type shit. So it was definetly out of material body. But not 3rd person type experience. That only happened once, and due to head injury. Which was probably a coping mechanicism for pain or something that triggered my brain to do wierd things. It was hallucinations essentially.
Since it is our eyeballs inside our heads that receive photons and convert those to electrical signals to out brains, that is the sense that we call seeing. How does anything LEAVE the body and still see? Ghost eyeballs? Why would photos not go straight through? I don't get it.
Potential phenomenon? Man, I've had the potential phenomenon of seeing the sun set for decades, yet scientists claim it's the spherical earth orbiting a round sun and not my experience of the sun moving through the sky. If only there was some way to tell when human phenomenological experience was not anything more than that, and to validate when humans hallucinating possible events was just... hallucinations... I guess we'll never really know! Wait...
I think about astral projection a great deal and have even been working on an article on the subject...for a tabletop role playing game. How do you do real scientific research next door to people working on Fringe fanfic?
Out of body experiences is not "quackery" per se, it happens all the time. It's called death! It's like scientists explain the neurology of it all and the tests that they performed to debunk an individual's assertion; assuming it's actual research. But it falls within the realm where computer scientists say that on a computer, there's no such thing as a random number; it may actually be impossible. To throw money at research like this in order to appease a donor or mega alumni should not surprise us given that higher education is a business first and the dissemination of knowledge may be only a coincidence.
This reminds me of something a former colleague said when we were talking about research: "Theory without data is a bother; data without theory is a nightmare."
Such a meat and potatoes episode love it.
"Projectiology" JFC, even their neologisms are artless cringe.
