Ep. 185 Premium - nick makes the worst hypothetical ever, asked to leave [VIDEO]

This video is why I only watch half of Lemonade Stand.

It was so fucking over when it became about American politics, thank fuck nick was here to bring it home

Im a bit late to this but pretty sure at 30:00 Ludwig is talking about an online show called "The sex factor" that was so bad it was funny. They had like Keiran Lee and Asa Akira as judges.

I want Aiden to bring up his independent Trump theory on Lemonade Stand and see what happens

god aiden was so dumb here

I'm so sad that this comment section is overlooking "what if I had a pussy"

Give slime a red shirt and call him Dr Eggman

this might be aidens worst take ever

bro ludwig is so wrong… zac efron didn’t sing in only the first HSM

The UK, Famously not a catholic country

Ye I gonna say Aidan underestimates the Republican propaganda machine. Anyone over 65 is only hearing Trump's insane shit because the GOP channels feed it to them. I don't think Trump would have won without the support of networks like Fox News. I totally see where the argument comes from I think Trump could have been the independent who broke the 2 party system but he would have needed the support of legacy conservative media and I don't that would have happened if he didn't have the nomination.

I actually can’t finish this ep this election convo is so stupid. Aiden is either hilariously wrong or he’s arguing some irrelevant hypothetical situation in which the republicans straight up don’t run a candidate.

I love when Ludwig and Aiden start arguing different things.

Aiden calling Omaha a small town makes me hate his bald ass more

Aiden is so wrong lmao. Most trump voters are half asleep and just filling in the republican bubble.

i think they’ve gotten too comfortable

When I read the title, I really under estimated how bad the hypothetical would be.

I build f-15s

Rare Aidan crash out ep

1) I think slime would benefit from an autistic gf. 2) he’s right during the whole “argument with your gf” part.

This episode is a perfect example of how ludwig switches, and can't be trusted

this republican would pull votes away from trump at like 5x the rate at which they'd pull votes away from kamala/any other D. Trump could still get a comfortable second place (and probably comes the closes to winning out of any third party in modern history) but gets dusted by kamala trump would win over far right maga voters but literally 90% of all right leaning independents would go for the generic republican

Damn I never seen this pateron argue in the comment sections like this what yall opinons on one piece

I thought you guys knew a lot more about politics until you started this debate here.... Literally millions of people vote Republican ticket or Democrat ticket down the board, so like Ludwig said in all of Trump's attempts and proven by the actual results Trump as an independent would split votes amongst Republicans enough that a traditional Democrat would win.. even in Trump's case as this total cult of personality and getting more votes if the fracture is him taking half the Republican votes he is not taking an equal amount of Democrats votes, meaning very simple math that a very average Democrat takes down the other two(it is not even close), which is why they had to fold and give him the nomination rather that guaranteed loss to Dems in 2016 and at the time seemed like a resounding loss coming to everyone and everything that ever prognosticated, If it was Hillary vs Cruz vs Trump with all his own money into the campaign and not the GOP backing just Ted winning Texas sinks Trump, and so this Trump process was born, he is a means to their end of enacting the agenda put in place 40 years ago achieving things like striking down Roe etc. Further evidence this time showing it wouldn't be a clean 3 way split or all Repubs to Trump is how they ran RFK Jr. to try and siphon off some idiot Dems who would vote that name and a few independents who would take his causes and pull Biden votes, however as soon as the general switched to Kamala those people are choosing RFK and those votes are far more likely to swing people away from Trump's favor so they immediately dropped him (same person financing RFK as Trump) and that was all to sway what 1 million potential votes one way or another?? (Fun sidenote if you were masochistic enough to read this far, 759,363 morons still voted RFK Jr and whether you know many things or very little please take a few minutes a look up this one detail... Google "RFK jr first wife" and read the few small paragraphs on her personal life and death... I feel this is the only information one needs to know considering both RFK Jr. and the state of US politics and where we are headed.) Nick, thanks for bringing it back to logic, Trump's breathtaking pussy.

I think aiden underestimates how many people when voting just vote by party; I went to vote for the first time (in virginia) and Dems/Repubs were offering sheets saying who to support and just about everyone asked for one to follow

These comments are crazy work. if you dont like the politics section don't scream about skipping it then write a 300 page dissertation on it in the comments anyways. Just skip it.

Aiden is literally always right it's insane

Obviously over 100 years ago but Teddy Rosevelt was a similarly beloved personality who went independent and split the vote with a much less popular republican (Taft). I think it’s similar enough to be considered at least

Aiden looks like Niko Bellic

Aiden, millions of people will vote for the Republican Party for the sole fact that they have done so for their whole lives. The same is true for the Democratic Party.

”The left vote wouldn't change" take from Ludwig is so insane considering it's been heavily speculated that divided Democrat voter lines on social issues likely contributed to Kamala's loss. It's the age-old "follow the player or follow the team" sports situation. Think about how many Mavericks fans are following Luka to LA because of how shit the Mavs handled that situation/how beloved Luka is. Trump is the only politician in the last 60 years with the star power to turn Republican voters against the party if they didnt let him run Red.

First time in a Patreon ep I had to fast forward past a section

Okay but the immortal birthing bit would be so good for a sci fi story

39:13 Ludwig and slime are fucking idiots for this one, Donald trump literally is the Republican Party, old guard republicans either didn’t vote or voted for Kamala in the last election. Also it’s no underestimating, local elections are literally being won and lost by wether people are in the good graces of the trump sect of the right, almost ever single republican winner in the last midterm won with the messaging “I support trump and he endorses me” it wasn’t “I’m endorsed by the republican party” it was “I am endorsed by trump” and honestly it’s this dumbass shit that leads to democrats losing over and over again because they just underestimate how powerful that base is and they essentially just say “well fuck it all the maga voters are extremists and we can’t turn them so we need to focus on turning the center right to the left” because they are under this fuck ass impression that republicans still exist and they just literally fucking don’t. Honestly trump has effectively preformed a hostile takeover of the Republican Party so he would never need to run as an independent because he essentially already is one.

Respect to Lud for rocking the tampon jibit 🫡

This is the most wrong I have ever heard Aiden be

first time i turn off an epi, sorry aimen I couldn't hear u yap bs

ludwig looking extremely non-binary this episode

Aiden is so wrong, so many lifetime republicans held their nose and voted for trump. They’d vote for for any republican on the ticket. Democrats sweep here.

As someone who loves HIMYM and has watched it thrice the voiceover fact changed my world view

Aiden is so wrong it’s crazy oh my god does he actually think that

Had to stop watching at the politics section this is the worst take I've heard. The most frustrating part is Aiden's insistence on generalizing red voters as Trump diehards. How cognitively dissociated do we have to be to make such widespread generalizations?

Why did we have to argue about bullshit for 10 minutes 😔😔😔 no way to say who would be right, but I get the 2 party concern of just voting red or blue, but Aiden is right about trends towards the median voter in the last election. It isn't so much about republican vs democrat for our time being it's Trump vs. Whatever blue schmuck they think can be the most bipartisan when that's clearly not what people want right now whether that be through outside influence or their own core morals. The point Aiden bringing up about them losing the popular vote is a huge part of that I feel, but also makes that argument more pointless because if Republicans have been losing the popular vote for decades, you can't say how the forces in government would sway 🤷‍♂️

I thought Aiden would've been more knowledgeable about just how many people wake up on election day, drive to the polling booth, and bubble D/R without ever looking at the name

fuck man slime saying he though ludwig was being a badass after the charity stream tweet killed me

this is my first video on patron ever and they are talking about CP 😭

This is Aiden’s worst take on the show

The Yard is my #1 source for all things CP

A lot of non voters probably come out of the woodworks to vote for an independent trump, idk if its more than the amount of die hard republicans votes that he would lose.

Ngl I was really tickled by the CP bit, idk why people are bothered

Politics are gay

Against aidens argument, I remember talking to a republican who was SUPER pro Trump, and I brought up the exact hypothetical and they said they would still just vote republican, quote "I've punched a republican vote since the day I turned 18, and I will continue to do it no matter who is in the republican seat." Which granted is incredibly stupid, but it is against the argument

I never comment but Nick's absolute dogshit hypotheticals have broken my silence. Banger EP

first time i've ever disagreed with aiden, i think there's gotta be at least like 5% of the republican base that sticks with the party

As a polisci master’s student Aiden is smoking weed

Yall should get lazy mattman on the Podcast, i think that would be interesting

aiden great takes as per semi usual from CIA-aimen, think it just came across misconstrued but trump running as an independent is extremely likely he’d still win in the current standing trump and the rich dicks around him have more public political power than the republican party, trump won bc he’s trump sadly, edit: jesus christ just saw the hate in the comments for this premo no idea why loved it

bro everyone HATED this ep but im laughing my ass off at the hypothetical and the CP bit

I am not smart enough to figure out who right on the trump debate all i know nick is the funniest person and "what if i had a pussy" is going to be stuck in my head for weeks.

I don't care yall get political, you're people and you're going to comment on the happenings of the world like everyone else. But to say the least Aiden refusing to listen to what Ludwig is actually saying is frustrating, I'm sure you will see watching back because you're a rational person. But just think about what Ludwig is trying to convey Aiden instead of what you want to say next. It least that's how it felt watching

SHIP MY CRACK PIPE ALREADY DAMN I WANNA USE IT AS MY GYM SHIRT

Aiden is trippin on this one the Trump would need to pull 96% of the republicans over to independent to win.

Boys I ordered the fishing fest and matching shorts in green like in November and them shits still haven’t got here what we doing about this !!

when commenters forget its a comedy podcast ^

This is probably the worst episode of the premium, i unhearted it. three 15 minute tirades on the worst shit ive ever heard in my life has ruined my day. gonna go listen to the stavros ep

straight up the worst premo i have ever listened to. that DOGSHIT cp bit was somehow the best part.

My brother Bryce Donovan's first WWE match will be on Tubi March 3rd everyone better go watch with all the shade the yard gives Tubi

I think this is one of those scenarios where Aimen rejects the premise and doesn't engage with the hypothetical. He's 100% right in that Trump awakened a base of voters that are drawn in by his populist approach regardless of party affiliation, which would mean he'd likely run the most successful independent campaign ever, but that doesn't mean he'd even come close to winning the presidency. It just doesn't make any logical sense to expect what would basically have to be a close to 100% conversion rate when changing party affiliation. I know so many people who voted for Trump simply because he's the republican ticket, no knowledge about his policies, not MAGA, just straight up "that's the way my family has always voted".

Holy fuck I didnt know Aiden was retarded

Aiden is so wrong holy shit - I normally think he's the political one but holy shit

Aiden saying "THEY" like, he's Ye at 2am

Aiden underestimating how many republicans voted trump because that was the only Republican option. Votes would have been split way harder away from an independent trump.

At 7:54 Ludwig specifically made me feel uncomfy

Aidan is not spitting facts, yes he would still get millions of votes but millions would still vote for a republican, splitting the vote and causing the democrats win.

awwww i love when the boys talk about wanting to perform unethical experiments on Aiden 💙

Ngl Poli sci major here Aidan is spitting. Even as an independent look at his cabinet members full of billionaires he would fs get the funding as well as from more dubious overseas donations (more than hr had alr). Plus the Republican Party tried to back different candidates besides Trump multiple times to no avail. Even as an independent Trump would also implement project 2025 so they wouldn’t be too harmed by the loss to an independent.

I never comment but aimen is so confidently smoking penis on this one

Aiden, please stop filabustering when the boys disagree with you. You get defensive and riled up to the point that when one of the other guys tries to talk, you immediately talk over them. The points made about the MAGA base were valid but you, ultimately, weren't answering the question posed. Which it took way too long for you to realize because you wouldn't let anyone else talk.

please.. full hypothetical episodes where Nick is in charge

Woke up to find out Aiden posted generational cringe

aiden is underestimating the "lesser of two evils" voters that didnt want kamala and saw trump as the better option. Half the men in my family voted for trump for this reason. I disagree with aiden and I live in MAGA ridden GA

Aiden is dead wrong. He is overestimating how much research voters do and is letting the super loud maga people are. The average republican voter doesn't care who is telling them to hate immigrants, they just that it's a republican because they've been raised for generations to think republicans believe what they believe.

I went to Cedar Point a few months ago and they really shouldn't abbreviate it as often as they do. Walking around the park seeing a big sign for "The CP Shop"

I think Aiden is just underestimating just how many people there are who pay little to no attention to the news, but show up on nov 2nd and tick republican (or democrat) because that’s what their parents did, and their grandparents, and their great-grandparents. I think trump would do better than any independent ever has, but he wouldn’t win.

Why are they talking about Cookie Puss so much on this episode?

I think musks obsession with birthrate is like a white supremacist thing, like some great replacement theory shit

What was Aiden talking about? The whole reason trump was the nominee is because it would split the vote

considering how close the race was, having him run independant with no real funding + a republican nominee actively propagandising against him for sure pulls enough votes away from trump for the democrats to win. Aiden is smoking dick and balls imo

I very much think Aiden is right. The party really doesn’t matter when it comes to Trump. They voted for him not the party.

Rare Aiden L in regards to political analysis. For 1. The FAR more likely reason Trump would run independent would be that his ego would make him not want to play ball with the Establishment Republicans and strike out on his own. While the cult of personality has taken over the Republican party it's still very much not 100%, there are still McCain/Romney voters that don't like Trump, but would never vote Dem so they vote for him anyways. Those people EASILY account for more than 2 million voters. 2. The Republican Primary would go to the next best result, Nikki Haley, who by the way, got over 4 million votes instead of Trump, so even if JUST her supports stayed R, Trump loses to Kamala 3. Not running with a party gives Trump a serious leg down just logistically. Other Republican politicians won't work with him as they always fall in line with the party, and with Fox News against him he doesn't get as much screen time, and most of it becomes negative. It's so easy for them to pivot from Biden is too old to Trump is too old, the guy can't form a complete sentence. I believe without a shadow of a doubt that Trump would be the most successful third party candidate in the history of the country by far, he would also almost certainly beat the Republican nominee, but the numbers simply aren't there, he can't win by splitting the votes he already barely won with.

Lmfao the argument with the girlfriend was eye opening because I have been on the other side of things as the girl friend and thought the exact same thing as slime “well he said he was fine” and popped the movie on. Thank for this revelation

This episode: Aiden not understanding statistics

Without watching the actual episode this title alone is hilarious

Okay, this is a generalization, but I think there are two camps in the current Republican Party. A majority of the party supports Trump, and a portion of the party don't necessarily support Trump, however they are die hard republicans. Both of these groups would vote for Republican Trump in the General Election. In the world where Trump becomes an Independent, I think he might convert a lot of the Republican Party to vote for him, he might even get the majority. But there is just no world where he converts the entire Republican Vote. In the same way that people had to google who was running for the presidential election, I think there is a surprising number of voters who don't really keep up with politics or care that much about who specifically they are voting for. If Trump is independent, a lot of Republican Voters would still vote for whoever the Republican candidate is. Again, this might not even be the majority. However, enough of the vote would be split, that I think a democratic candidate would sweep.

Trump got 76% of the vote in the 2024 Republican primary. That’s way more than enough for him to lose an election if, say, Nikki Haley (who got 20%) were in the race and that’s just Republican primary voters, not independents. It’s also without having all the resources of the Republican Party behind her.

Lud was so right in the conversation about Trump running as an independent.

That political hypothetical was painful to listen to. *When polled this exact scenario lead to 27% of Republicans asked saying theyd back the republican party there is your answer. Jill stein got 600k votes, the other major party in the US electoral system would easily split the vote from Trump and a dem would sweep. His never trump % in the Republican party was 20-33% depending on state. For example Trump won Pennsylvania by 120k votes. Iowa had a 20% never trump rate when polled and voted much redder. 3.5% lost or gained wins Kamala the race in Penn. Wisconsin was 29k votes, Mich 80k, Georgia sub 120k. Nevada 40kish. Just for fun to show how insane the voterbase is Maryland got 20k random writeins in 2020, 33k in 2016. Counties gets hundreds each in every state. The sheer number of voters means even silly things matter like Kanye pretending to run. The most monumentous shift in hypothetical politics ever would split the vote by the 1-4% Kamala woulda needed in swing states.

Idk bout the trump shit but Aiden lookin hella cute with the buzz cut 😩😳😜

listening to Aiden be this passionately wrong for so long is pretty hard to listen to

Everyone in this episode deserves to go to hypothetical jail at some point.

Think this was one of the first time Aiden has been so wrong about politics

I think Aiden is right about the trump independent thing. I trust his well thought out argument way more than any of these patron commenters lol. Party lines have definitely been shifting and if trump has broken every historical norm for presidents/presidential candidates thus far, who’s to say that he won’t change this one too?

You goofy ass people need to quit acting like the parties wield so much power. If anything, Trump has proven that they don't, and that the parties will capitulate to the people if they scream loud enough. Party lines are the blurriest they've been since the civil rights movement in the 60s. Tear them down.

Blackshots😳

From Oklahoma here so I know my conservatives. Aiden is a dumbass. There are enough republicans who only voted for Trump because he was the republican that wouldn’t vote for him if he ran independent. Trump would have the best independent campaign ever, but he would not win the election.

I'm worried about Nick lately. I'm not sure what writing with Slime is doing to his brain but he's on some different shit and I just want him to go back to saving hip hop one bar at a time

Boys trump was basically priming himself to run independent albeit under the R name, establishment republicans attempted to break off while trump was still in the dumps post arrest/chatges. They ran Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis but realized they were sauceless and fell in line with trump He def wins in this scenario bc the capital owning class realizes trump has the juice and can still push their policies via him. So they’d def fund him the same way he was receiving it now. Granted if there was actually a republican who was personable running for the 2024 primary it’s a diff story

I definitely don't agree with Aiden that Trump would still win. He has a point in his foundation that Trump is this behemoth that is changing politics in general. On another note, it was an insufferable argument to listen to. Was it 25+ minutes? Genuinely not entertaining bickering. Not even because it was about politics, it just was not a fun or engaging discussion. It just felt like bickering on camera. Not good content in the area of drama or conversation or commentary. No comedy about it. The best way to describe a large chunk of the episode is actually just horrible vibes.

finding out zac efron doesn’t sing in high school musical makes me sick to my fucking stomach

If Ludwig doesn’t want CP on the show you can always invite his podcast mate P-Do on

I feel like you could take an argument between Aiden and Ludwig and no matter what it is the basis for their points would be the same. Ludwig, because of his background in streaming and YouTube, sees numbers as the end all for most of his arguments. Numbers are facts and data which you can’t argue against. Aiden on the other hand generally seems to find the context behind the data and draws an opinion independent from them.

Aiden is wildly uninformed about how American politics works lmao, I didn't think it was possible he could be this wrong about the basics of american reality

God Aiden is a fucking dork, great pod

No way Trump would have won if he ran independent. Nor would have a Democratic candidate if they ousted them and they ran independent. It would have to be the craziest most god-tier candidate like no one has ever seen, along with something that just totally flipped the system upside down as a whole.

I think CP was already on the show and the CP footage is just being kept on Ludwigs hard drive

I dont know what i think about independant trump specifically, BUT i do tihnk aiden has a damn good point that the party lines are shifting. Just a few years ago the big government moves that trump stands beside whole hog (not even a question, this big government admin is completely unlike VERY RECENT republican presidents) would have been more than outrageous. fair to say this is some kind of reagan-like cult of personality

To Aidens point, the billionaires would've funded Trump regardless for sure. And there was a huge amount of blue tickets with only a red vote for pres.

Tbh I never heard of CP before yall had him on. As far as I'm concerned yall made CP.

I’m normally team Aiden all the way but I don’t think he’s ever been more wrong than in his independent Trump argument. And since I know he doesn’t like people just saying he’s wrong without providing a reason here it goes. In the world where the GOP actually says that Trump doesn’t get to be their nominee then they would have put up someone else, let’s just say DeSantis, in that case then there is ANOTHER right wing candidate with the financial backing to run a serious campaign. I do believe that DT would get more votes than DeSantis in the this case but there are quite a few republican voters who simply just vote republican no matter who. Aiden mentions they “tow the party line” for Trump but that’s only because he’s their party’s nominee so who else are they going to back. In this world those people have someone else to back and they would which would split the vote enough for Kamala to actually just sweep. There are a lot of people who treat Trump like a god king and would vote for him but a lot of repub voters simply just see the word republican on the ballot and check box and I think Aiden isn’t thinking about them

Everytime they said independent in that trump conversation I heard Jaden smith in my head say “need new trucks independent” like a maggot in my brain. Great pod guys 👍

you guys just literally reinvented the Bull Moose party with Trump and think it’s gonna go a different way

I did the pussy thing and now she wants a divorce, whatd i do wrong?

The thighs are a bit too much this ep

Ah yes, the famously Catholic UK.

Waiting the whole political argument for Nick to say “Donald trump likes to eat it, he eats it for fun”

even if it was just 8% of votes that went the other way trump would get cooked there is absolutely no way 92%+ switch party lines just to reelect trump that’s such ignorant thinking

aiden could not be more wrong about the trump independent take that was infuriating to listen to

Hypothetically would you rather be an immortal breeder who pumps out a kid once a month for humanity whose children and grandchildren are life-locked to your soul, or watch DnD episode 1?

well if you’re gonna have CP on the show again you gotta make sure to get P. Do as well

Another Caleb ep would be sick

i loved aiden barreling through ludwig lmao

djinn are a separate species to humans in islamic tradition. Similar to angels(very very reductive take)

that first 15 minutes was rough, please take 1% from slime's shares and donate it anually to charity

aiden cooked with his trump argument

Doubling down in the video episode, Aiden is 100% correct on his Trump take. Anyone who thinks otherwise is sorely mistaken.

Despite the CP joke (now more appropriately named Child Sexual Abuse Material… clunky) I do actually really want Caleb Pitts on the pod. Pod About Lists rivals The Yard in comedy podcasting, and overall easy listening. Caleb’s episode was one of the funniest, despite him being the cop responsible for destroying Slime’s monkey.

On main ep, Ludwig was talking about getting JOd by a 3 yr old (himself) and at that EXACT moment my phone connected to the Bluetooth in my car being worked on at the dealer, so playing through the speaker to the technician… am I on a list now? Please advise.

i assume the scenario where aiden is an immortal godqueen birthing beast will get folded in to the d&d

if chris pratt becomes a doctor, and plays doctor mario in the mario movie, is he, as doctor mario, a doctor?

inside llewyn davis heads rise up

this week for Nick was like the week Aiden said he would kill dogs

why do you guys say muslim like that

Aiden is so wrong here, most American voters don’t even care about the candidates or policies they just vote for their party. If Trump was independent he would have divided the republican vote by a huge margin between his MAGA supporters and regular Republicans. The only reason I can see his logic is if you believe that most Republicans are the people that go to rallies and get interviewed for news segments

I love Amen, but he is so incredibly wrong

If teddy roosevelt couldn’t pull of the independent win I don’t think trump could

CP/politics podcast earns my $5

the fans want caleb back!

Aladdin as a film has got a lot of subtle racism in it (still bangs tho). The original tale was obviously not invented by some white dude, so idk what Lud's talking about. Most people think it was a Syrian guy. Genies are just the Western interpretation of Djinns, which actually exist in Islamic tradition. Robin Williams genie would have predated Muhammad based on the movie's lore itself but that wouldn't be sacrilegious to Aladdin

I hate how good you guys are at this

its so funny seeing slime not like the hypotheticals at the end and nick having these weird takes/hypotheticals both here on the primo and on the main ep

aiden not every trump voter is a far right klan's member. moderate conservatives exist, there's absolutely at least 2 million of them out there who wouldn't vote for trump. this is the whole thing of why the two party system is bad, because it pushes all nuance to the side and prevents smaller ideologies from being represented

The amount of confident misinformation espoused in this episode is incredible

Aiden is smoking crack about trump winning as independent lol if 10% of his voters vote for the republican candidate instead he loses lmao

Cash Pussy

when the boys were talking about the jubilee video where they all pretend to be gay, I got teleported to that one reddit post about a guy playing gay chicken with his friend for 14 years and they own a bed and breakfast together in Vermont.

“oh you have to be fertile for sex to count… try that in court” BRO 😂

he wouldnt have won because the rich people wouldnt put their money into trump if he was an independent lol

I feel like Robin Williams is a bad example as the character was essentially made for Robin Williams

I think aiden is wrong tbh. I think 1/10 republican are still iffy enough about Jan 6th that they'd vote for shit hole Ron DeSantis or something. I know this is a massive over simplification but I just think considering barely half of Americans tuned in to vote at all, no shot like 10 mil don't just click republican becuase they hate the dems. Especially in swing states

If CP gains more recognition from being on the show, they could say they made CP

lots of leaving this week

What if RFK had been the Republican nominee and Trump was independent?

aiden is 100% correct about the politics

It’s hilarious that they run the CP bit on this episode and the Alex Premium without Lud

Im Australia Idk American politics but Aiden says a lot of words so I believe him

Caleb Penis

what time does the main channel video get posted?

@ president part, I figured I'd type this up once, I know surface level it seems like a wild take. I think if your core disagreement is that "this political context would not supersede the power of the Republican nominee" that makes sense, but I think my position of "Trump has a strong chance of winning as an Independent if the Republicans *barred him from being the nominee*" also is reasonable. His entire candidacy and history has been built on anti-establishment rhetoric. His popularity, even with traditional republicans, thrives on the basis of populist messaging that is ultimately still popular with a lot of more "trad" Republicans and especially with many historic apolitical voters. For the people saying that a lot of Republicans don't like him, look at the margins he won the Republican nomination in 2024 by. I think in the scenario I have described his Independent candidacy, he is able to build a clear narrative campaign around effectively being "the real" Republican nominee, a political "martyr" so to speak barred from what's owed to him. I think he could build comparable support to his percentage win of the Republican nominee in 2024, and if he has a majority of right leaning support in polling in that scenario, the remaining Republican voter base would cave and vote for him even if they didn't like it, because they understand that ousting votes to the "third party" (the Repub wet noodle nominee in this scenario) is a waste in the same way that left leaning voters do. In any scenario where Trump somehow lost genuine voter support and lost the Repub nomination and then chose to run Independent, he would obviously lose, of course. I don't think I'd bet money on him winning but I think it would be the strongest chance of any Independent winning in history. I think my analysis here is fair, albeit I totally understand if you still disagree, I would love to hear genuine critiques of the specifics of this argument though. Because I am basing this off of (IMO) his wins and campaigns in 2016, his general stranglehold on Republican party messaging and voter base, his margins of victory in the Repub primary, and the lack of support for Joe Biden/Kamala Harris. All of these inform my take, I think it's not unreasonable given the context I laid out haha. To me Trump is a guy who's entire political history has bucked historic voting trends and his "ideology's" hold on the current state of the Repub party is pretty evident, is it that crazy to say with all the context so far we could imagine another trend being bucked? Maybe yea but anyway I think I laid it all out. ty for listening!aimen Edit - I think another specific counter argument for my own is Trump's team has always been very good at wielding media, you can get a sense of how they do this through some interviews Steve Bannon has done over the years, but if he was an Independent how much of that media grip does he lose, if the messaging of the martyr can't get out anymore it can't work Someone on another thread also pointed out that the current Trump campaign made concessions to RFK even with his small support base and I think that's interesting as well against my point anyway i think this is a fun topic ...

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