Ep. 185 Premium - nick makes the worst hypothetical ever, asked to leave [AUDIO]
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I can’t believe I listen to a political podcast from this guy 😭. Most insane take.
wow
Hate to agree with Ludwig, but this was such a dumb take from Aiden lmao
A year late but fuck it, Aiden seems generally super politically aware but he's so wrong. He's neglecting the fact so many old people would cling to the 2 party system probably costing him swing states, plus there's a possible devide of red states. Ludwig also didn't portray his view very well so it leas to excellent ragebate, enough to make me comment😂. Love the show though
i haven’t gotten to the controversial part of this episode, but the part that pisses me off is ludwig convincing everyone that baby girl Zac Efron didnt sing at ALL in HSM. he sang in the 2nd and 3rd movie, he just did not sing in HSM1
so he, in fact, absolutely, 150% Bet on It
Aidens worst take ever
Who gave Aiden a fucking lobotomy before this ep, jesus christ
On x2 speed ,ep goes hard
I normally don’t comment and I think Aiden is a typically very smart guy, as a dude in a family of republicans, he has absolutely no idea what he is talking about here and is speaking out of his ass. Trumps voter count would drop by half if he ran as an independent. The amount of people who literally just fill in the republican checkbox should not be underestimated
And half is suuuuuper impressive for an independent. But simply not enough
What if they had pussies
I regret paying for this
What an electric episode
CP turned nicki to a gooner
We gotta turn aiden anarchist don't let him take the guns
Just getting back around to this ep. Aiden is so wrong it hurts
I was kinda ehh on the political talk the ep but when they started talking about aiden being our last hope and birthing child every 4 weeks for all of time I was so back
dems would crush in the world trump ran independent
Aiden is so unfathomably incorrect
So glad as im reading through these comments. thought I was going crazy hearing Aiden, the normally politically rational one on the pod, saying that an independent Trump would sweep both the democrats and the Republicans. Imo, there's enough people in the republican party who only tolerate Trump because he was their only option. In this hypothetical where Trump cannot run as a republican, Ludwig is right, no shot the republican party blows themselves up to elect Trump, they'd fight hard for a Romney type over him.
Yeah all his potlical takes are thrown in question with this one brain dead "analysis"(vibes). It proves he has no idea about how elections are run, the importance of the two parties, and even how elections are done. Even thinking that Maga is the majority of the party is insane.
Aidan sounds nuts wow
Yeah
Nick using all his funnies writing the show. He stunk this epi
Aidans take is actually so brain dead. I’m literally commenting for the first time because of how stupid it is.
I never once checked the Patreon comments but I had to after this ep because of Aidan… wanted to make sure I wasn’t crazy
Horrible take by Aidan just chiming in so bad
Aiden is cooked for the Trump independent opinion, the registered Republican vote would cause him to lose because he would split the red vote
Removing guns is always the worst argument ever. No one's giving them up without a fight, and they would never give the government ALL their guns. I love the stick analogy. Take a stick away from a kid and tell them they can't have it, they're just going to go grab another stick
Bro I never comment on anything but I had to for this: aiden smoking some hot crack
Unlimited bacon but no games or games, unlimited games, but no games
Bad aiden take
I need Big A to tell me what to think of this
Icl ts j pmo
The key part missing from Ludwig’s analysis for his side of the argument is that he seems to think that Trump cannot exist without the establishment of the Republican party and that flies in the face of the last 8 years of US politics In the 2016 GOP primary, Trump came in as a wholly outsided candidate against the most established figures in the party. Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, and Ted Cruz are as establishment as you can get. And Trump beat them all by being more charismatic and delivering a credible outsider perspective. After that moment, Trump’s base became the establishment. He chased out all the Bush administration officials or forced them to bend the knee to save face. And on too of that, Trump used the small donor funding model to make him less dependent on the GOP’s logistics to get out the vote. Trump losing in 2020 opened the door for an establishment re-conquest of the GOP. Ron Desantis and Nicky Haley ran their entire campaign messaging on restoring “decorum” to the office (and remove Trump’s influence from the party). Both of those campaigns fell flat on their faces and Trump once and for all closed the door the establaihment GOP being able to dictate the direction of the party. Aimen is right to say an Independent Trump would win. But that comes with thr massive caveat that his opponent could only be Biden/Harris. If Trump’s opponent is a standard Democrat, he loses everytime. Source: In a majority of down ballot races in 2024, the Democratic candidate out ran Biden and Harris and in numerous polls a generic Democratic out ran Trump in almost every instance. The only situation in real ballot results and polling where Trump won was when he was put against Biden or Harris. And if I were Aimen, I would’ve responded to Ludwig by saying that Trump doesn’t need to run as an independent. He effectively is independent by virtue of the control he already possesses with the base and by having already placed loyalists in all levels of the GOP.
Delete this post you wrote a lot of nothing trying to seem knowledgeable. Ill again keep it short for you Trump definetly loses as an independant against kamala or joe biden. Wtf are u people on about 😂😂
jinns in islam is interesting topic. they are supernatural and created by god, they can be evil neutral or good. and they have free will, muslim person can either believe in them or not, and the most interesting part: humans and jinn are capable of procreation. but jinns basically have roots in pre-islamic faiths, so Genie from Aladdin can be older than islam
They're calling Aiden the most wrong man of all time
So I’ve never commented on premo or YouTube video If trump ran independent, there is 0 fkn % that he would win. He would split the votes so much that democrats would sweep
So the cp bit is the real reason the premo and the main ep got swapped, right?
ur misunderstanding, they've essentially recorded 1 main ep and 3 premos these past two weeks, but last week's premo got bumped to this week's main ep for being so funny, so they recorded a second premo (for last week). hope that wasn't too confusing (if you were just making a joke about the cp bit then mb, carry on)
There are republicans who will vote down party line because the person is not a democrat. There are Trump supporters that would follow him if he went independent. There is no world that they are mutually exclusive and Trump wins as an independent. There are plenty of people that voted Trump then voted locally democrat because they were angry and there are plenty of life long republicans that hate Trump but hate democrats more that would have loved an alternative to Trump on their ticket. Aiden takes a steam hot L on this one easy and it’s frustrating hearing him talk so confidently about it
i don’t think this was the right episode to play at work today
Trump gets more independent votes than anyone, but the Trumper insane people are a vocal majority. There is still probably at least 20-30 million republican loyalists voting for him. You also have to figure, both for those people and MAGA people, the media is heavily influenced by the Republican party. Fox wouldn’t be glazing him the same way they do if he was ousted from the Republican party. Independent freaks like Nick Fuentes, Destiny, Shawn Ryan etc. might, but the big corps wouldn’t. MANY of these people like Trump so much because of these media outlets glazing him and making fun of people like Ted Cruz, Vivek etc. If they stopped, a good portion of them would as well. My dad is an example of someone who will basically support whoever Fox News does. He LOVED Mitt Romney all the way up until Fox started calling him out for being against Trump, and suddenly Mitt was a career coward who never had a valuable moral or political platform. It was literally overnight. The Republican party has the pull over the media, which has benefited Trump because he has been at least a potential benefit to them. If they decided definitively he was out, the media would reflect that.
Yeah this is something I thought about and added to my big comment is if the establishment ditches you how much of your ability to wield the media do you lose along with that, to leverage your messaging post-dump, and I think this is a good critique
if youre still reading the comments aiden, I love you and I hope you get all the things you wish for
Aiden is dead wrong
as someone who hasnt watched, these literally essay comments are scaring me lol
He was not betting on it :((
I figured I'd type this up once, I know surface level it seems like a wild take. I think if your core disagreement is that "this political context would not supersede the power of the Republican nominee" that makes sense, but I think my position of "Trump has a strong chance of winning as an Independent if the Republicans *barred him from being the nominee*" also is reasonable. His entire candidacy and history has been built on anti-establishment rhetoric. His popularity, even with traditional republicans, thrives on the basis of populist messaging that is ultimately still popular with a lot of more "trad" Republicans and especially with many historic apolitical voters. For the people saying that a lot of Republicans don't like him, look at the margins he won the Republican nomination in 2024 by. I think in the scenario I have described his Independent candidacy, he is able to build a clear narrative campaign around effectively being "the real" Republican nominee, a political "martyr" so to speak barred from what's owed to him. I think he could build comparable support to his percentage win of the Republican nominee in 2024, and if he has a majority of right leaning support in polling in that scenario, the remaining Republican voter base would cave and vote for him even if they didn't like it, because they understand that ousting votes to the "third party" (the Repub wet noodle nominee in this scenario) is a waste in the same way that left leaning voters do. In any scenario where Trump somehow lost genuine voter support and lost the Repub nomination and then chose to run Independent, he would obviously lose, of course. I don't think I'd bet money on him winning but I think it would be the strongest chance of any Independent winning in history. I think my analysis here is fair, albeit I totally understand if you still disagree, I would love to hear genuine critiques of the specifics of this argument though. Because I am basing this off of (IMO) his wins and campaigns in 2016, his general stranglehold on Republican party messaging and voter base, his margins of victory in the Repub primary, and the lack of support for Joe Biden/Kamala Harris. All of these inform my take, I think it's not unreasonable given the context I laid out haha. To me Trump is a guy who's entire political history has bucked historic voting trends and his "ideology's" hold on the current state of the Repub party is pretty evident, is it that crazy to say with all the context so far we could imagine another trend being bucked? Maybe yea but anyway I think I laid it all out. ty for listening!aimen Edit - I think another specific counter argument for my own is Trump's team has always been very good at wielding media, you can get a sense of how they do this through some interviews Steve Bannon has done over the years, but if he was an Independent how much of that media grip does he lose, if the messaging of the martyr can't get out anymore it can't work
As someone living in deep red territory, can say that a number of people that vote for Trump don't do it because they are deep MAGA heads. They are party line voters who have voted Republican since before they could vote and won't change no matter the message of any candidate. Be it some die hard loyalty for a by-gone era of the Republican party of old under Lincoln or simple laziness, they aren't moving. If anyone was gonna win third-party, I agree it would be Trump and his GOP base, but what is infinitely more likely is a large enough portion of the voter base (well over the margin he won this election by) stays voting party-line and ultimately the Democrats just win instead. The two-party system is that fucked.
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Aiden is just so wrong
The trump/republican party thing is Aiden's most wrong opinion and that dude wants to kill all dogs
I’m losing my mind at all the people saying Aiden is wrong. As a completely nebulous fan, he is totally correct.
I've read all your replies in this thread and you are fundamentally misunderstanding Aiden's point. Aiden's argument is that the scenario where Trump has to run independent is a scenario where the GOP literally blocks him from running as their candidate. Now I agree with you, the current GOP is the party of Donald Trump. It does not survive without him, but in this scenario Aiden is proposing where they forcibly cut him off (and presumably have their own, wet noodle candidate, as they suggest on the pod), the entire might of both the Democratic and Republican political machines are against him. He will assuredly sway GOP voters, and it will be the strongest independent run in recent memory, but ultimately it will end up splitting red voters, because the GOP will have their own candidate, and die-hard Republican registered voters will simply go to the ballot box and tick the name that says Republican above it. If Aiden's argument was that it would be the independent run with the highest chance of winning of all time, then yes of course he'd be right. But his argument was that Trump winning as independent is likely, and that just isn't true.
Teddy Roosevelt tried what aimen is arguing bar for bar and got smoked
Banger normal ep, snoozer Patreon ep. I went to sleep to this episode, woke up, put it on again, slept through it again
guy who takes his yummy dramamine before he watches yard premium eps
This ep felt like a fever dream
Tough day for Aimen fans 😔. Believing the GOP institution has effectively no influence over the voter base relative to trumps coalition shows a complete misunderstanding of just how entrenched legacy political power structures are in the electoral process. Trump won a fairly narrow election against an generally unpopular candidate (who entered the race VERY late), whose previous admin was running from a poor economy in times where incumbents globally are taking big losses, all while unpopular foreign conflicts mired that same administration. Running outside of GOP structure (keeping in mind that in this hypothetical, this isn’t a peaceful excision, trump has somehow been pushed out of the party apparatus) will inevitably lead to voter transfer (to the party candidate) and bleed (people who would stay home without an organized clear push for one candidate to combat the dems). Still love Aiden and I get where he’s coming from. I despise trump and it’s very tempting to succumb to the idea that his success and an accompanying American decline are inevitable, but we have to remain hopeful. There are massive and powerful entities working every day to make the lives of average citizens as miserable as possible in exchange for marginal profit increases, but there are just as many working to prevent that future and give everyone a chance to self determine and love life. If we remain united, history shows that the march forward toward progress is, while far from linear, ultimately inevitable <3
I think you’re missing what Aiden is saying. In 2016 Trump took over the Republican establishment. There is no GOP without Trump. They have all either fallen in line or have been ousted. If Trump left or was forced out, the GOP crumbles. They need him, so even if he did go independent, they would support him. This is ALSO true of Republican voters. Given the choice between a Dem (let’s say Kamala or Biden), a GOP runner who ISNT Trump and Indie Trump… like 99% are voting Trump. The one thing that only Ludwig really addressed briefly is that Democrats have more voters to tap into. Democrats have a larger voting block, but vote less. Trump has a dedicated voting block, but it’s smaller. They’re reliable, but can be beaten. The Democrats running a good or bad campaign is the ONLY difference making in if Trump wins or loses. Not if he’s a Republican or Independent candidate.
i don’t really care about politics i just thought the cp bit was funny
Might be Aiden’s dumbest take yet, like bro open a history book. Why do you think we have parties in this country
Trump IS the party. 2016 was historical because he wasn’t an established Republican candidate. He wasn’t a politician. His whole thing is that he’s an outsider from Day Dot! That’s why people like him so much; he’s “not” a politician! And every other establishment Republican candidate lost to him, bigly. So if Trump did get ousted from the GOP, they’re still gonna bet on that horse for winning.
Time to bring on Jon Lovett as a guest
Aiden thinking that Trump would win as an independent with a Republican candidate in the run is the dumbest thing he has ever said bar none. There are millions of Republican voters whole would vote for literally anything as long as it says "Republican" on it and would not vote for an independent even if they aligned with them 110%
Aimen making that argument right after looking at American voters googling “where is Joe Biden” is insane lmao. So many wouldn’t even know he’s not the republican candidate
Looks like the L is being passed around the room and it's landed in Aidens lap this week!
Aidens two biggest icks are he refuses to be wrong even when faced with substational math to prove otherwise, and that he can't stop shitting his pants in public. That's your guy, the pants shitter. Love you aimen gamin
Aiden is valid about the HIMYM voice thing. It also took me a while to realize narrator Ted was a different guy.
Leave em wanting more because I need another hour of this.
"Trump could win as an independent" is without a doubt the dumbest thing ever said on the podcast lmfao. There are way more than 2 million republicans that would just vote republican still. At least 10% of republicans dont even read the name, they tick republican and then spit their dip into the ballot box
i hate that i agree but you have an anime pfp
nick is sleeping on the couch after that coochie diffusion
The comedic timing in this one was unreal!! Funniest episode since the the Qt ep!
It’s crazy one hypothetical about politics gets brought up and everyone in the comments start tweaking. It’s just another dogs in cafe’s argument. Chill tf out.
theres literally one weird comment about it, shut up
Aiden’s huge political bias has got him spewing some bullshit lol. Try to stay away from politics, I’m not a trump supporter at all but everything he says just off base as he is very left leaning, the facts of the argument are just wrong lol. Much love y’all please just keep politics off the show
nah fuck that if you fine listening to these mfs talk about white women and Rottweilers but don’t like politics there’s a problem. plus it ain’t like they’ve never talked politics and hypos before.
UK very much not a Catholic country
0% chance Trump wins as 3rd party
WHAT IF I HAD A PUSSY
I'm not ganna stop paying or listening, even if you guys keep stopping slime from comparing the trump conversation to The Wire (greatest show of all time)
Most excited I've been about an episode based on title alone
Massive L for Aiden in the politics discussion unfortunately
What is Aimen saying man, he legit canceled all the arguments he won in the past 10 episodes... wtf
This was the hardest premo ep to listen to of all time, I preferred league content
I think Zac Efron only didn't sing for the first movie. The sequels were all him, if I'm not mistaken.
George Clooney could not sing in O brother where out thou and he was dubbed
Chat, the kids I babysit keep carving sigils into bar soap and leaving them in my car, should I be worried?
nah you fine, dw bout it
Hip hip hooray
Yippie!
I love when I forget it's wednesday and I'm surprised by a new episode ❤️
wahoo!
*in your best Chris Pratt mario*