Ramble: The Re-Return to the Ghost of Evermore

I too was spending most of the video gazing at Terry Turkey

As of September 2026, the Vanders Keep website remains the exact same. Somehow the domain name hasn't expired, which could be a sign of something, but I doubt it.

I love going places to spin pokestops! If I’m going something especially cool I always make sure that I have room for gifts so I can send them to my friends.

15:00 I apologize for entering this conversation so late, but here are my recommendations for Hypothetical Fantasy Food Festival Booths: Pirate booth (hot seafood dishes like fish&chips or seafood stew); Elf booth (vegetarian/vegan offerings, salads, light soups, summery foods), fairy booth (unchanged from your description—lean heavily on “fairy cakes” especially!); dragon booth also unchanged but with some sort of special dessert that looks like a little treasure chest filled with gold (“The Dragon’s Horde: you won’t want to share either!”); dwarf/hobbit/gnome booth (winter warmers—hot cider, bread bowls, steak & ale hand pies). IMO mermaids should be integrated as a fun scavenger hunt feature: Misty the Mermaid wants to go to the food festival, but it’s on land! It’s up to you to find something on the menu that Misty likes! Then the kids get a little booklet about what Misty likes, they tell the stall attendant the order and that they’re ordering for Misty, and each kid gets a special token that they turn in to the Misty actress at the end for a faux pearl bracelet or a pirate sword.

It is hilarious that their “tarot reader” both remarks on the reversed cards orientation then proceeds to just overrule it and turn the cards upright. I don’t understand why you wouldn’t either just ignore the card orientation or work it in to your spiel. It reads like she stacked the deck to correspond perfectly with the reading she rehearsed but didn’t remember to orient the cards the right way.

So I was rewatching this and I googled Michelle and Travis Fox, the Realmingers from The Land of Realm, to see what they were up to. Uh. So. Their current "business" is HypnoAlchemy(R), a $200-300/hour phone call service for "healing" trauma. I feel like ghouls would think that was going a bit too far.

So I hope that this isn't a weird question, but does your friend that made that Ouannii plush for you have an etsy store or something similar where she also sells her plushes? It looks so good and well made, I would love to order a Ouannii from her!

“Maybe evermore could normalize Harry Potter and keep it in the zeitgeist in a remotely positive manner” maybe we can move on from Maga Thatcher’s legacy huh Like. I get that people pretend to care about trans people like they breathe. But come on.

Jenny, you are the absolute best 🏆

I must say that plush your friend made is absolutely perfect. She's SO well made and detailed. And that is a lovely and sweet gift!!

From those who are here a year later... from wikipedia: Evermore filed a lawsuit against Realm ATV on January 3, 2025 due to a request from Realm ATV to lower the purchase price for the property. Realm ATV countered with a lawsuit of their own, claiming significant decay in the Evermore property's condition lowered the site's land value, and that they would not continue to pursue building The Realm Town at the Evermore site. Realm ATV also noted that the sale of properties around Evermore Park had reduced the potential crowd capacity of The Realm Town from 2,000 guests to only 185 guests.

Revisiting this, and the way the new owners say "they left the tracks" is so funny to me. Like it's Brio and when you're done playing with it, you have to clean up the train and the tracks. EDIT: It's giving "they left the bodies and only moved the headstones!"

are you in the correct position

RED ALERT RED ALRET THIS IS NOT A DRILL: the crooked lantern tavern has "opened" and Bob went to film it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoubczOsGfU

Jenny was so kind to respect the business of Unworldly Exhibit by not featuring the tour in her video. However, now that the exhibit is permanently closed, I am hoping that she'll include more of that tour content if (when lol) she does more Evermore videos for those of us that couldn't make it to Utah. Here's hoping!

Can you imagine how dangerous the Evermore mine elevator would've been?

Well American Fork is back in the news!

I've been rewatching all your Evermore videos this past week and this is such good content I love that you are keeping us abreast of Evermore news and I very much enjoy how enthusiastic you are about it. Looking forward to hopefully another update one day if Realm Town ever opens!!

This quadrilogy makes a great listening for a long road trip

I’m obsessed with that tarot reading! 🤣 Kinda gutted that the original video seems to have been taken down

crazy to see a 1h+ video basically saying “i absolutely loved the concept for this park. this is what worked, what didn’t, and my ideas of how they could fix those issues with relative ease!” and think “ah, this person is just a a bully” 😭

"Dear God, they took the exposed wires!" LMAO BOB! Alright, finally caught up on all the Evermore Chronicles. Every installment gets so much deeper into even more insane behind-the-scenes actions. (Allegedly.) I love the Unworldly Exhibit stuff especially, but it looks like they're closing at the end of this month? I guess they're working on some new projects soon, which sounds exciting. The info about these new owners does not stop me from being convinced that the park and its land is cursed. Real heavy energy.

I'm rewatching this and still obsessed with the music from their RealmTown promos just being the main theme from Starfield

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Jenny is the Ken Burns of Evermore. One dives deep into the darkest hours of American history to shine an unflinching light on the conflicts within the human heart. The other one is Ken Burns.

There's a comedian Eilise Patton who does awkward short form videos where she just rambles into her camera about nonsense and the fox woman (I forgot their names) speaks in the exact same bizarre and disconcerting way.

I wonder if the reason why the Vander's Keep chef was so belligerent and violent is because he was going crazy from the black mold.

That tarot part is inexplicable to me. YOU SHUFFLE THE DECK, YOU DRAW THE CARDS AS THEY APPEAR. THE SHUFFLE DETERMINES ITS POSITION lmao

Oh my god. I was going through the comments on Bob's "Realm Town Evicted?" video and found that one of the new owners showed up to reply to some of the comments there. Someone asked her what Realm Town was even intended to be, and this was her response: "Immersive experience, virtual and reality. All our virtual experiences are on Hatch The Egg However, it was also going to be TV Studio for Businesses to compete in a whole new way. As we know the entrepreneur journey and how difficult it can be against Goliaths." To which I can only say: what????? An immersive virtual and real experience that is somehow also a "TV studio for businesses to compete in"? Why is it that every single thing these two "entrepreneurs" say makes me feel like I'm having a stroke?

Are you in the correct position?

the ‘psychic’ at 1:24:50 feeling a ‘heavy energy’ that makes it ‘hard to breathe’ is giving fake psychic vibes like the woman in Jenny’s ghost hunting vid lol

not sure the train infrastructure was constructed/maintained right

As a Dutch speaking person, I hate the name "Vander's Keep". It is so confusing and weird when you try to translate

A. Fake Candies B. Discipers C. Concoctions D. Other Bookshelfs E. All of the above

So great to hear that those con artists sold the park. …oh wait

https://youtu.be/Gve5KUedE7Q?si=UmpXPDEIPAk-r-Uk I found an update on the tavern.

Loveee rewatching these Evermore videos and checking in from time to time on my own. If anyone's curious: -Jenny's intuition is amazing and accurate. The owner's of Realm Town did ultimately nothing at all with the property, and likely for financial reasons no longer have anything to do with it. See Bob's video on YT, "Realm Town Evicted". -The Crooked Lantern opened, I think in July 2025. They had the grand opening for a holiday market, and a photoshoot with some Evermore actors on their socials. I thought it was cute but I didn't recognize anyone. It also neighbors the "curiositorium" a little costume shop that sells and rents fantasy costumes. I think the Tavern's socials need work but I still hope it's succesful. -Last but not least, Vander's Keep is still not open as of December 2025. The same notice is still on the site "projecting for a late fall open" and plans for a tapas menu for the past year or so.

I recently listened to all of these videos about Evermore and in one of them you talked about folks working unpaid hours. I wonder if they were considered salaried? That could be a legal-ish way to NOT pay overtime. But I am skeptical that the actors would really fit the classification. I've been salaried and it was awful. Paradoxically, I've also been offered salaried positions where you CAN get overtime. I think you had to work over 44 hours though. You also pondered "serial entrepreneur"ship. It makes me think of those guys on Shark Tank. They find people with good ideas, offer them seed money, promise them mentorship, and then take all the profits. But instead of "founding" PayPal or McDonalds or Tesla, they "found" the local carwash, or the local McDonalds. It doesn't sound flashy to say "I leant some money to a guy and showed him how to apply for permits" so they made up "serial entrepreneur''. Anyway, I don't mean to mansplain but it kinda sounds like I'm mansplaining. Sorry. Dynamite content, as always, Jenny. Three thumbs up. Yeah, I borrowed someone else's thumb, what's the big whoop? You want the thumbs or not? Sheesh. PS I kinda always assume that EverMore was named after EverQuest. Is that still a thing?

That Kanye interaction is the funniest thing I've ever heard 😭

Jenny has a powerful level of patience for fake British accents.

So The Crooked Lantern Tavern appears to now just be a themed space that you can rent for 'gaming, events and photoshoots/filming'. There's no indication on their site that they provide food...or drinks for that matter.

Scanned through some of the comments and didn't see this question asked...did you purchase your tickets under your name? After what you shared about the TSwift debacle, I can only imagine the deep dive they did on you after your first video went as viral as the Star Wars review. Sounds like you were getting tailed the entire time to glean what your experience was, and he was on-site keeping track of you as you explored the park..my conspiracy theory :) Like really dude, just happened to be "posing" taking pictures of one tree close up? Part 2: Someone on his team has subscribed to your Patreon. UPDATE: Just watched "The Ghost"...my conspiracy Part 2 confirmed...Hi Bob!

dear god they took the exposed wires

I think we should crowdfund some sort of prosthetic glue-on face so jenny can explore the ruins of evermore without fear of recognition.

I've known and worked for guys like Ken. Smart guys that are terrible at delegating, and *also* lose interest in anything that isn't immediately successful.

And this is why building regulations and stuff are actually important and not just a bureacratic nuisance

We're never going to know, but can we all agree that the Dwarves sang a version of Gold Digger for Kanye?

Was the train really technically functional though? Didn't some of the staff have to come push it up a hill after a light rain?

On the rewatch, i'm not sure if I'm in the correct position 😓

Fox literally "hypnotizes" business people into sociopaths. Very cool.

Dwarves frantically playing a Kanye song to calm Kanye down as he is sputtering Evermore is hosting demons is soooo crazy I wish a video of this would leak omg

Why was this video "Content Made for Kids" according to YouTube?

The entire "What would you do with this...ʃʰpace?" sequence is gold, but I'm especially obsessed with "or would there be...other bookshelves? other than \this\" Like, one, "put more bookshelves in it" is a nonsense non-suggestion for what to do wth that space, and two, the way she singles out the existing bookshelf as though it's somehow slighted her is so so funny to me. Top-tier comedy.

Dying at the “are you in the correct position” part and the guy just repeating “it’s really heavy”. I feel sad of the outcome of this place, but its end just feels like someone is routinely defacing it, and it feels weird!

Walking round the chapel call that Chapel Roam

I’m sure this is Jenny’s phrasing and not Travis’s but “won an Emmy as a producer of a short documentary about divorce” is such a simultaneously impressive and bleak accomplishment

Oh Lort. When I first heard the park was in Utah, I knew it would only be a matter of time before the MLM crowd would get involved.

Strongly recommend Jamie Loftus' "Ghost Church" if you want some absolutely batshit context for all the séance nutloafery 🤣👍

Me over the last few months: Keeps checking Jenny's main youtube channel . . . sigh, no new content. I miss her videos so much. Me 4 days ago: Find Jenny on Patreon. WHAT!?!?!?! THERE'S MORE EVERMORE VIDEOS?????? Seriously, Christmas came early. Thanks Jenny! I"m a thrilled new supporter who can't to see what else you've been up to!

My first interpretation of the “revenge of the nerds” comment was that it was aimed at the former employees who gave you info. That is much worse IN MY OPINION (lol). Thanks for the update. All of drama surrounding this park is so interesting

The Realm Town clips at around 1 hour 30 are IMO some of the funniest clips Jenny has ever included, I cried laughing the first time. Right up there with "I'm walking on sunshine... aaaaah!"

“What would you do with this?” Personally my first step would be to hire Jenny as a consultant lol

I watched this video ten months ago when it came out, and I haven't stopped thinking about the clip of Travis Fox at 1:33:28 since then. I lie awake thinking about this clip. The way he presents multiple contradictory times, and then caps off the sentence with "The big question - when will you get here?" as though the main attraction of this event is figuring out when to arrive has changed my life.

Speaking as someone who joined after the Star Wars video and has stuck around, it has taken quite a while to work through the impressive backlog of youtube and patreon videos. I am almost caught up to current content, but will likely stick around anyway since the price of your feed is so diabolically reasonable. A price surely designed to make me forget I even have the subscription. Serial grifter indeed.

Maybe it's a common costume puppet form at parks, but the pumpkin goblin is such a cool realisation of a non human character idea.

“I am a businessman.” Sounds like three kids stacked up under a trench coat, made me lose my mind laughing!!!

Kanye West going to evermore and freaking out about a statue possibly being blasphemous instead of all the witches and fantasy creatures that his sort of Christian thinks are demons is so on brand for him

"That man will beat you with a hammer..." lmaooo

Ross is a very strange presence to me, both to hear a real scottish accent after all the clips of evermore actors doing increasingly fascinating fantasy uk accents, and that he is also such a classic type of guy we have here. as stark a moment of realism as the SUV to me.

Me: Well, it's been 8 months since this video. I wonder what's up with Realm Town? -10 minutes of Googling later- Me: A bunch of lawsuits filed back and forth between the new owners and the old owners. What a surprise!

I like how you went to evermore hoping for a interactive gameplay experience and although you didn’t find that, you transmuted your interest in the park itself into it’s own long form game/scavenger hunt, meeting strange unknown characters, searching for tokens & mementos, unlocking new locations, unraveling mysteries

Bob and Ross. What a potent combination.

The guy in the ghost-hunting bit clearly studied at the Nadine Mercy school of TV psychics. (Not sure he graduated, but he definitely studied there.)

Drinks with dry ice? So you mean 'creepy cocktails'?!

I just can't get over how blatantly soulless and unimaginative the new owners were with this purchase. Like, sure, we'll spend several million dollars on the shell of a failed fantasy park-but don't expect us to do anything creative to make it flourish! Oh, we gotta rename it? Uhhhh....realm...town?? Good enough. Oh, we should launch a social media campaign to get people excited- time to fire up the first generative AI tool on the search page. Who needs actual artists and creatives when we can get generic garbage for free? People love low-effort slop! Should we hire a concept artist to remodel the existing buildings into something new? Nah, we'll just ask TikTok. Make sure to wear our tacky logo'd hats in all the shorts- we gotta push our brand before we bail on this endeavor and find a new scheme. We are business people! Doing the business!

Ok so rewatching the evermore saga to distract myself from *waves hands* everything....and the insta video Jenny showed is the last instagram or facebook post the crooked lantern ever made and their website is just a 401 error page now...sooooo...

Suddenly the building that got "stepped on by a giant" having its chimney catch fire like it's a clay and straw chimney from Tudor times doesn't seem so shocking anymore!

My headphone battery ran out for my walk yesterday, so naturally I decided to use the time to expand on Jenny’s list of possible Evermore eateries (although who am I to think that I can come up with better theme park ideas than Jenny Nicholson?!?). Here is my brainstorming: Dragon eatery - Jenny suggested roasted spicy meat. I say go Asian-inspired for this one, with a variety of spicy Asian dishes (or at least the Americanized versions): spicy tuna roll sushi, Pad Thai, curry, etc. Dwarf eatery - As Jenny suggested, this is the bread-and-meat place. Meat pies, pot roast, mashed potatoes, charcuterie boards, etc. If the park ever opened earlier in the day, this location could also serve breakfast: sausage/egg/cheese biscuit sandwiches, giant cinnamon rolls, etc. Dessert eatery - Jenny suggested something unicorn-inspired that served desserts with lots of edible glitter; I agree. I picture this shop themed to be like Cloud Cuckoo Land in "The Lego Movie." It would have cookies, cupcakes, frozen yogurt, and cotton candy, all covered in plenty of sprinkles/whipped cream/edible glitter. It could also have bubble tea and fancy iced coffees. I struggled with a salad option. I think you would need a place for salads or lighter fare to balance out the other options, which are all pretty heavy, but I couldn’t figure out great theming. The best I could come up with (and I do welcome workshopping here) is a “Witches’ Garden” eatery. It could have salads and soups along with smoothies. They could do something similar to the Starcruiser in pretending that normal ingredients are actually magical herbs that have special powers--e.g. ‘That’s not red cabbage in your salad--it’s [name], which if consumed during the full moon will give you the ability to speak to fairies!’ The smoothies could be labeled as potions--the strawberry-blueberry smoothie is a love potion, the banana-peanut butter smoothie is a strength potion, the pineapple-mango smoothie gives you extra powerful hearing, etc. I’m going to go charge my headphones now.

'closure' of 'evermore' ?? what is this a taylor swift album?

Considering their obvious trend-chasing with their videos and their "nondescript businesperson with lots of money doing talks" career, I suspect they weren't really interested in fantasy media more than they got the idea that fantasy ala Game of Thrones and D&D was selling at the moment and wanted to plaster it all over their other ventures to get people interested.

A remount of RENT but it's Ken Bretschneider vs Brandon Fugel

I forgot there was a furry adjacent video, did I miss that one?

Only upon rewatching this again have I realised that the music in that RealmTown promo is just the main them for Starfield that they've taken

As a professional tarot reader I’m in awe (derogatory) of that tarot reading I’ve never seen anyone do that before lmao I promise we aren’t all like that

Cackled when that guy was trying to "rescue" a goldfish with his bare hands like wtf dude nets exist

I would highly encourage everyone who cares about this stuff (and why else are any of us here) to go take a look at The Crooked Lantern website. Just have a poke around, see if anything seems weird on second glance. crookedlantern.com

oh my god I've been re-watching the evermore video on youtube periodically since it came out I CAN'T BELIEVE THERE'S MORE! this is huge news, my week just got so much better. god bless you jenny nicholson

a lot of people who are abusive in some sense are also incredibly kind and giving at times. It could be that they're complex emotional people but it also could be that they're manipulative. Even both. but not uncommon.

I think they should turn it into a themed minigolf location! You don't need a ride permit to do mini golf

Thanks Jenny for this amazing trip down a crazy rabbit hole. Never felt so frustrated especially for all the creatives involved. Looks like there is more trouble with the park as as of January there is another lawsuit this time between the owners and new buyers due to the problems you mentioned in your video- https://wwbw.ksl.com/article/51241346/realmtown-dreams-are-fading-as-fate-of-evermore-park-is-again-unknown

Wow. OF COURSE JustPearlyThings has rich parents. Of COURSE that’s how she got her start into right wing grifting. These people have zero self awareness omg. Telling others how lazy and untalented they are while you’ve been handed everything you have in life for winning the birth lottery 🥲

I wish Jenny ever talked politics. I just KNOW she’s aghast every time she hears the next insane thing our government is doing. And like, same.

I think Realm Tube is officially dead... and their current page is all AI and back to the hustle culture stuff

14:32 “drinks with dry ice in them” suddenly LAUREN and NICOLE jump out with their dry ice punch creepy cocktail

After watching the Evermore video on YouTube about ten times (along with Jenny’s other videos) I finally joined the Patreon and getting even more Evermore content is worth every penny

The park is listed for sale again now.

There's something so entertaining to me about identifying a location as "the place where Kanye got upset".

I live in Utah, and was curious about The Crooked Lantern tavern. I looked it up to see if it was finished, and maybe go check it out and have dinner. But what I found was weird. Their last post is the video that Jenny showed, nothing else has been announced since on their Instagram or Facebook. They have a website, but it's filled with filler-text and no events or other pictures of the place, or an address, but they have a button for reservations? They also have what look like to be fake reviews talking about how wonderful it was to work with the designers and that they made the space perfect and mumbo-jumbo like that. So... who knows what is going on with that. Also, nothing new on the Vander's Keep blog either... though it does strangely have a phone-call to reserve... but what would you be reserving? So many questions. But who knows if The Crooked Lantern is even going to be an actual restaurant or bar open to the public, it almost seems like it's going to be a private event space that you can rent out, but that they'll also host events and game nights at occasionally.

Ten hours of Jenny Evermore content is exactly what I needed!

Jenny please I beg I think a Busch Gardens video would be so sick from you. "The rise and fall of Busch Gardens" Probably not main-channel worthy, but I just think hearing your thoughts in a ramble would be so cool

Jenny, a vegetarian: what do people who eat meat, eat? ....meats? Various.....grilled meats??

Just made my way through the patreon exclusive nevermore vids, and gosh, what a RIDE. Also I actually gasped aloud when Jenny mentioned they do ghost hunting content like BE SO FOR REAL-

every time i come back to this video, bob going "dear god they took the exposed wires" always gets me

Did the full Evermore Saga marathon today and can confirm the Jenny-vibes are -chef's kiss- lol. For real, tho, I was having a rough mental health day today and revisiting this content was just what my brain needed to drag itself back to a functional place. Tysm. ❤️

Seriously, why are they looking for ghosts at Evermore? Oooooooo it's the ghost of Brent's bad decisions. So cringe

Does anyone know if Jenny has an evermore poster? I have one and want to know if she needs it for her collection

So glad that they hired somebody to get all the mold out of the buildings and be ruthless about it. “Cut out the rot,” as it were.

I don't know what business degrees are teaching (besides hypnotism, apparently) but it does not appear to be how money works, which seems to be a detriment for running a business but also explains a lot. If Realm Town was the name that won, how godawful were their other choices? Realm Place. Location Realm. Realm Hut. Realmvermore.

I live "off-grid" in Hawaii - everyone here is an expert in permits and unpermitted and under-permitted building. That's a little stereotype you mainlanders don't know about. Anyway, I just came here to say Jenny got it all right, from what I've learned while living in outlaw sheds. Aside: I put "off-grid" in quotes because while it's true in every way, it's also very normal on this island (and civilized). I don't want to paint myself as some old fur-trapping '49er. My tap water comes from a tank of rainwater from the roof and my electricity is bottled sunlight (from the roof).

I would give ANYTHING to be at the meeting where they picked the name. I’m giggling just imagining it, them crossing off names but leaving REALM TOWN. Can you imagine rejecting a name to pick Realm Town?? it’s so bad and unnatural to say. I genuinely cannot wrap my head around it

I'm watching this instead of the Super Bowl, lol

My favorite thing in the world is how so many people who work for Evermore love your videos so much they keep sending you merch!

Just noticed that Jenny got mentioned by name in the new owners ig post. Honestly not clear what they wanted with that. But the dual post is about them being sued by the company that used to own Evermore park. And yeah, the more I see about the new owners the more my scepticism grows.

As someone who lives in Utah this place is overrun with "businessmen" who literally have no idea what they're doing lmao

Jenny, is it weird that I don't really have a para social relationship with you, but I do kind of have one with the abstract idea of your friend group that is willing to fly to Utah to walk around a defunct shitty amusement park?

The talk about the rebooted Crooked Lantern Tavern having strangely the same dimensions despite having the room to expand as it was built in a warehouse makes a lot of sense when you take into account the talk around 56 minutes in where it's revealed that all the buildings on site were created from prefabs to save money on architecture, and that was likely done again to create the new CLT.

So will the next ramble on this topic be “The Return of the Lawsuit to the Ghost of Evermore”?

realmtube channel going crazy lately.... their lawyers couldn't tell them that the last evermore video was a patreon exclusive smh.

I couldn't put words to it before, but something about the way Michelle moves in the videos is so specifically presentational that it puts me on edge. It's very "luxury furniture showroom" or "Price is Right". I can appreciate that artifice isn't bad and having a sleek professional approach is just a choice, but combined with everyone else, it feels like she's trying to coax me into sitting in an expensive car so she can apply the pressure to get me to buy it. It undermines the attempt to be buddy-buddy and relatable when they ask "what should I do with this empty storefront?"

if you ever want to take a trip to Canada, there's a living museum in Calgary called Heritage Park. it even has a working train

I think there's an Evermore 2.0 happening in a "castle" in Georgia this year called Mirth & Mischief and I'm DYING to get your thoughts on it!! The website heavily emphasizes the "immersive theater" aspect (no details as to what that actually means) there are named characters, unknown merchants/food&drink vendors, and if you don't pay for VIP ($200-$300) then you have to take 2 separate shuttles from the lower parking lot. The castle it takes place in is in Helen GA, which is an entire town themed after German Octoberfest but that doesn't seem to effect the theme of the event. Oh, and it's a 21+ event! There have been other events at this venue at a $25 ticket range that I've seen a couple tiktoks about but they looked... sparse. Sorry for the novel but I think you'd love it 👑✨️

When u say there's a loud helicopter, there's literally a helicopter flying pass my home. That spooked me lol.

So I just randomly got an ad for a castle themed immersive theater experience in Georgia called Mirth & Mischief. Have you heard of this?

so per a comment i saw from bob under the most recent video about the new owners, they've deleted all of the videos that took place on the evermore property from their channel.

It kills me that the Hatch the Egg ad at 1:17:30 is using the Starfield theme music

If anyone wants to learn how to become successful at business: https://youtu.be/-_xtwscMO3s?si=zcblp687M2myVj7R

I love Terri Turkey ❤️

Can't believe Jenny and her friends are pokemon go players! so tasteful of them

Adored this entire video and the level of research you always put in, especially with all the background deep diving you did with the new owners. I just had to comment on a specific line near the end about them desperately needing a concept artist(s) who have both the creativity and professional lived realism to know how to implement said concepts: Judging by their scammy business influencer roots along with their horrible youtube AI thumbnails I feel there is zero chance they don't think they can save money by using AI haha, especially again with how the business/tech bro world is obsessed with it replacing workers --throw in a dash of ego too thinking you can do everything yourself and your ideas will be the best and artists are useless and oh boy would I be surprised if they actually hired any of these positions. Does not bode well.

It’s mid January and The Crooked Lantern Tavern has not opened and there’s been no additional information since the vertical video tour. The website is also just incoherent

That guy trying to catch a fish with his bare hands lmao

Did anyone see on Bob's channel that he is not sure the "new owners" are actually going to go through with buying Evermore? (this was an update he posted on Jan 12th). He said the sale was supposed to close in Dec (but didn't to his knowledge, and this guy is incredibly thourough with all his reporting). He said the whole park location looks really empty now. No more cars parked at the office part. The Hatch the Egg banners have not been removed even though the event has been over for quite a while now. And the DND campaigns that the "new owners" have been posting have suddenly shifted from taking place in the Tavern to an undisclosed room that is outside of the Evermore site without explanation. It seems to me like the buyers didn't go through with the sale and lost access to the park, so now it's just going to be sitting empty for a while until Ken Bretschneider goes back to maintaining it, another buyer is found, or they eventually end up going through with the sale as planned. Or the fourth outcome is that the park will just remain empty without being maintained and will slowly waste away into ruins... ... left only will be disintegrating pre-fabricated wood sheds and crumbling Real Marble Columns. They will be mournful remnants of Evermore... The Ozymandias of theme parks.

They keep tying in the "realms" thing, along with their business, and then doing shows about it? I wonder if they're trying to set it up as a "Corporate Retreat at the Realm" or whatever. Like an adventure camp, but only for old, out of shape corporate executives? That could explain why they're crowd-sourcing what should go where...to see what people expect to be in a place. Although I guess that would work for pretty much any venue. Still, the amount that the Vegas video brought all that stuff up in, I suddenly thought, "Corporate Realm Retreat!"

That maze-like Hobbit house is reminding me of Hugh Grant's house in Heretic. And now I'm wondering if, since Evermore is in Utah and Heretic is specifically informed by Mormonism and was made with input from ex-Mormons, could mazes be some part of Mormon culture? Even subtly? Maybe I'm reaching too far.

the kanye story goes crazzzzyyyy

Okay hear me out on this… if I had this like park full of barns and old timey buildings in Utah…. Turn it into a like religious experience. You can make it about like Joseph Smith and the founding of Mormonism, at Christmas time you people Jesus and Mary and get some wise men and shit. If they did that with some like goats and hot chocolate and a Christmas fair I garuntee they would make a killing in December alone. Get some pumpkins and stuff for a non Halloween October celebration. You could probably utilize it in the summer as a summer camp. Evermore had some cool ideas but for this specific location lean into the Mormonism and you are going to make bank

The new owners could use it as a space for hosting company retreats. My old boss was an aging boomer who wouldn't touch D&D with a 10-foot pole, but I could see her being easily sold on the idea that she's the queen of her company. She paid money we didn't have for the dumbest team building things like overpriced personality tests. She also picked some pretty random locations for our retreats, so having someone direct her somewhere would have been great. Honestly... Evermore’s gameplay might’ve been underwhelming for a theme park, but as a team-building venue? It could’ve been fantastic. Companies pay way more for experiences like that than families ever would. Utah has plenty of boomer CEOs who still love retreats, and with local attractions like the botanical garden, they could even attract bigger companies to fly teams out for a week. That’s big money. Bring back character actors for those larger events specifically and they'd eat it up. But they're probably not willing to focus on the park just having one intended purpose, they want to use it 12 different ways at the same time and end up a mess. However, if I were them that's what I'd do.

I found the scroll saw pattern for your horse shelf in the wild

it's interesting that anyone would consider your video on evermore mean! my takeaway was that it was a genuine attempt from everyone involved (except perhaps the owner) that just didn't pan out for a variety of reasons

I LOVE this hat! I truly wish I had one. so silly and whimsical

I'm actually furious that PuppetCEO had the audacity to insinuate Jenny was mean like...as if one person giving a genuine and honest review of an experience they paid to partake in is bullying this company. Also, it's just very amusing to me to look at Jenny and be like "a Mean Girl...." no like she gives Horse Girl. They're wildly different.

Seeing Jenny go to Magiquest is crazy. I went there constantly as a kid with my grandma

The "asking every tarot card if they're in the right position before doing the reading" is making me absolutely FERAL I've been a long time fan and watcher, but i realized at about my third re-watch of the star wars hotel video that I just really like your voice/content as "listen/watch while crafting" and you probably had a bunch of stuff I hadn't seen over here, so I joined the patreon, and don't plan on going anywhere unless my finances change :D

I want a Realm Town tshirt so bad omg

Lol. We discovered you through the star wars hotel video, but why would we leave? We joined because you are exactly our flavor of nerd. You make highly detailed videos about niche topics you care *a lot* about. It's super fun! I think you are very opinionated in the best sort of way. Folks should pay you to consult for them. Happy Holidays!

conspiracy theory: jenny doesn’t know what a compliment sandwich is

50:39 I want to know the tea but i want you to not get sued

10 hour flight tomorrow, you know what im doing!

Thinking of this episode now that it's been determined that the new Haunted Mansion shop at Disneyland is just a pre-fab shed

I always forget that Bret Schneider isn’t this guy’s full name. It’s like if someone’s last name was Sarahjones

I do in fact want to do a 10 hour evermore video marathon, so thank you!

Maybe Ken didn’t want to close the park until he could trick someone into buying it off him and that’s why he was so cagey about the closure. Just a theory

Just found out my brother and sister in law went to evermore several times and know some of the "higher up actors" and that it's "crazy shit" and I am so unbelievably excited to hear a primary source myself. I watch this series on repeat, evermore has now become a second hand interest.

The new owners missed a golden opportunity to hire Paranormal Home Inspectors to check the park for supernatural energies/building code violations.

I'm just shaking my head thinking of all the people who run larps who would KILL to rent out a venue like that. I think (as someone who knows not a lot of things tbh) talking to some ren faire operators at least could help them loads.

Is anyone surprised that Ken turned out to be an antivax muskbro?

The YT video is currently tagged as kids content, and so can't be added to an all-in-one Evermore Saga playlist T~T

I just rewatched the video, what a treat!!

Only a few days away, Merry Christmas Jenny, hope you have a wonderful holiday with your loved ones. I wish I could wish you Merry Christmas in Na'vi, but I have no idea. Maybe you have a translator card that says it. ; )

QuestRealm. There, I found a better name than Realm Town that fits the "realm" and "quest" theme that's also low enough imagination that the new owners would probably go for it.

On Paramount Plus there is a video of the Paw Patrol Live Show. They have some DOPE puppet/suits of the dogs!

So Jenny was right: they did end up awarding the Egg Hunt prizes. I laughed when the woman in third place, when asked about what she was going to do with her winnings, was going to pay for all the gas she spent driving around Utah

I could NEVER get enough of your evermore content!

grifters gotta grift, i guess!

Jesus christ it's almost impossible to find comments you posted lol Even if you click on the notification it just takes you to all the comments, it doesn't highlight your own comments, and there's no way to sort comments Please sort this out, Patreon

If your Evermore videos get 0 views, then I am dead. You have me so invested.

So... there are a few guys out in Utah... who have performed a private Kanye concert... for Kanye West... while dressed as dwarves. That has to be one of the best stories to tell at a bar that I have ever heard of - assuming you can get anyone to believe you.

so grateful it’s on youtube so my youtube premium kicks in and i can watch like a podcast i love this

I kinda wish the gnomes would’ve played a Taylor Swift cover for Kanye to bring the Evermore/Swift universe full circle

That 'Hatch the Egg' music sounds remarkably similar to the Starfield soundtrack. I'm sure that's just coincidence.

Me waving my Christmas Prince pandora bracelet over my plush collection, individually asking each of them "are you in the correct position?" and then proceeding to move them slightly.

I wish I was a baby billionaire

Seeing the Grid less than a minute in, we are soooo back

is jenny friends with babbity kate?

It's amazing that the Evermore rabbit hole just literally never ends.

I’m SO happy the evermore saga continues!!! Honestly I know this is gonna sound so parasocial but it genuinely made me upset to see that new CEO guy be so passive aggressive towards jenny’s work and call it “revenge of the nerds” because like…do they think she spent the better half of three years researching and investigating out of…hatred? Spite?? Any criticism that isn’t blind praise and admiration automatically gets you on the enemies list apparently. Also it’s really funny to me that this billionaire CEOs number 1 opp is a video journalist who genuinely likes his theme park. Wild.

The dragon trainer card you show at the end was only widely given out once from their promotional float in a 4th of July parade in Provo.

Just with everything being presented, my takeaway is that it will be a private corporate retreat teambuilding type environment. Businesses pay $1000-$1500 a head to larp all weekend which some scheduled motivational type talks.

I was one of the crowd that joined after the Star Wars hotel video. And I did not have enough time to watch the updated videos since October (because of the start of the new academic year). I was not planning to leave anytime soon, but this is the first video I finished watching since September I guess, and I love this theme park related topic, as a callback of the last one I finished, which is episode 3 of this Evermore series. Lol

Jenny a local theatre to me in Orlando just announced they’re doing an original musical based on Evermore called Everfolk. Look up the instagram orlandoartistguild I really couldn’t believe it I had to run straight to this patreon. This will probably be drowned out by comments but I need her to be aware of this cuz it’s just so Jenny

What about the bad movie video?

wild to me that if it were in any other state, defunct Evermore would be the perfect spot for a microbrewery. guarantee it'd be packed every weekend and no one would think twice about having to buy food from a food truck (even in the parking lot!) or having only one set of bathrooms at the entrance.

Jenny love these videos, have you noticed how Ken seems to be a Trump fan on twitter?

This is off topic, but I was watching her video about the fan fiction 'Trapped In A Island With Josh Hutcherson'. I noticed a plush bear in the background that looks exactly like the cubs in 'Santa and the 3 bears'. Anyone else notice that?

Yes, if you rip out the train tracks, you're never going to put them back in. Sadly that's the truth for so many real railway lines all over the world as well.

FWIW, I have definitely posted on Reddit that you are the best YouTuber, so you can add that one to your resume

I’d be thrilled if Evermore became a restaurant chain

Do you think the CEO of Evermore saw Knights of Badassdom and said “I want to make that”??? (The LARP park is literally called Evermore)

They did finally announce the winners of Hatch the Egg and the winners did "allegedly" get the prize money. They also mentioned something about another Hatch the Egg contest to be announced.

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I just remembered that I was also subscribed to kimmy sparkles in middle school.

I'm obsessed with the idea of ghost hunting in a place built less than 10 years ago that HOPEFULLY has seen no deaths. I guess Ken's antiques could be haunted? But I assume he took those along with the train. Also... are you in the correct position?

The Starfield music when they're announcing Hatch the Egg...

Hey, I'm really sorry if this comment is the way anyone finds out about any of this, but I think there is a chance that the rumor about Meow Wolf might have a sliver of truth to it. There have been massive changes to the company's structure that have caused a lot of problems (I'd recommend looking at the website and social media for the meow wolf workers collective for more information), and it's clear the current CEO and the people he's hired want to turn it into a quantity over quality kind of business. TBC even if I'm right I assume any potential sale fell through the minute they had a look at the property and realized they were being scammed, but I don't think it's nearly as unlikely as one might think. I'm really sorry for being vague about my reasoning here, and that I can't explain why.

Jenny! I just watched's Bob's latest Evermore video! I can't believe, as the #1 Tip-Top fan, you didn't mention corrupted villain-arc Tiptop! 😭

The new owners sound like those couples on House Flippers with obscenely high budgets. "I'm a finance mentor! And I'm a hypno entrepreneur! Our budget is 50 million dollars!" Edit: Ken taking the train in the divorce is the funniest thing I've ever heard

I just had to skim through the Evermore Ghost Hunting videos. Beyond just me continuously pointing at the screen and recognizing the places and laughing at the silly "psychics" doing their commentary about energies, at one point they are walking through the park at night and feeling the "energy of sadness", and "the ghosts" are causing some of the outdoor lights to flicker... and I felt like I was channelling Brian from Paranormal Home Inspection; "that's no ghosts, that's just the exposed wires" On a more serious note: Those new owners, just from what I've seen here, they strike me as being absolutely steeped in this get-rich-quick "hustle culture" social media scam (or at least feeling scummy) stuff, but also genuinely like fantasy themes and stories (it's just too random that's the names and anecdotes they chose even before this). So they might actually wanna do a fantasy themed park, but also their entire mindset and approach can't "escape" this hustle culture, influencer content mill slop. Just my (somewhat) charitable interpretation.

I tried to get the turkey squishmallow but I ended up buying some weird eagle or something...

Evermore/Realm Town is the new Twitter/X.

You're basically correct on your assumptions about Revenge of the Nerds, except the extra component is that some of the pranks involve committing SA against the jocks' girlfriends :D a deeply horrible film.

Please follow this up when it eventually ends up in court.

Just when I thought I was out of Evermore she keeps pulling me back in.

I happened to be in the SLC area this past week, right when this video came out. My friend and I went to visit Evermore, aka walk around the outside and take pics like creeps. it was oddly delightful.

i cant believe people like the foxes exist. their existence sounds like hell.

Oof the Fox's are like the worst kind of MLM Utah people, as a fellow Utahans I feel like I need to apologize for them.

No saving this video? :( I like to add these to my numbered jenny playlist.

Congratulations to Jenny on 40,000 paid members on Patreon!

Spent wayyyyy too much time thinking the new CEO was the "puppet CEO" as in... CEO of the Puppets. hahahahahaha

I don't understand anything the new owners say. It's like their dialouge was generated by an early version of AI...

oof the train gods are NOT gonna be happy with this one

What does Michelle Fox say when she's asking what to do with the candy shop around 1:34:50? Is it really "fill it with discipers" like the captions say? What does that mean? Google is only coming up with "disciples." My best guess was maybe "deciphers" as in like, codes that can be deciphered, but that's such a weird way to phrase that, I've never heard "decipher" used as a noun before

I teared up at the details of the Oannii doll. May we all have such thoughtful friends!

If Breitshneider and co got to keep the intellectual property rights to the “characters” of Evermore, does that include the creature shop creatures that were only ever on loan?

I’m one of the people who subscribed to your Patreon after the Star Wars video (after being a fan for years). I literally made a patreon account just for your page! Every single patreon video has been an absolute banger. One of the best investments in my life so far. A new video dropping is always a highlight of the month! 🤩💖

Dragon booth should have foods dusted with rocks. Emerald, sapphire, and blue stuff.

Ross' comment comparing Jenny to Revenge of the Nerds is bizarre given that this would cast Evermore management as the bad guys. Also, I think of a "nerd" as being not adept socially, the opposite of Jenny. Rather, Jenny is super smart, knowledgeable, practical and a very effective communicator.

The noise I made when I saw the title!! I'll literally never get sick of Evermore content. Also, thank you for doing the Patreon video instead of Youtube -- I love being able to close the app/turn off my phone screen without the video stopping.

I’m so glad I subscribed to ur Patreon, I’ve been a fan for probably 7 years now and I’m pleasantly surprised to hear all this new stuff about Evermore/Realmtown (😢). PS,, I’m sure you already have furry friends, but I’m a furry and if you ever wanna ask any questions my inbox is open :) have a happy holiday!

I’d been waiting literal YEARS to become a Patreon supporter, and only recently had enough money to do so. Extreeemely excited to be here, and happy to hear that the community is growing !!

I think this is just going to end up being an Executive Team Building type place where they do annoying TED talks and make them compete in themed 3 legged races.

Damn you Jenny for making me lose the game ;-;

For never was a story of more woe than this of Evermore Park and its eccentric CEOs. *coughs* I’ll let myself out.

took me a few moments to decide whether or not ross' accent was real. it's shockingly similar to the fake one that literally all of the evermore character actors use for some reason

I can't believe Jenny would thief a sign and not the pig

“Dear god they took the exposed wires!” Yooo, Bob knows whats UP!!

I adore the idea of unicorns and dragons and mermaids and other fantasy creatures just looping around the park on the old railroad track.

we will all rally behind revenge for tip top

Last week at work, Digicert came up. I was like, oh I know quite a bit about the founder of that company... No, I don't know anything about the current IT problems. But if you want to know about the guy who set up a now defunct theme park on the other side of the world!

When Jenny said "puppet CEO" I imagined that they made the wizard puppet from the earlier video the new CEO...

Realm down is such a weird name, it’s like “region village”

I cannot believe they made that incredible spider monster and never even filmed it?? What a waste, it’s so sad to see all this amazing creative stuff people were able to create go unappreciated

i too am permanently interested in evermore

I love the idea of a Pokemon retrospective!

ok, if that guy means to reference the revenge of the nerds movie, that's a super gross thing to do -- a lot of the "pranks" in that movie are just sexually assaulting women. Weird choice perhaps.

I want the new Realm Park to open only because I want a 4 hour Jenny video of it with her critiques and suggestions that they will ignore to their detriment.

Thieves Guild Cidery just opened up in Salt Lake City if you still want to visit a themed spot :D

realmtube is celebrating hitting 1000 subscribers today. i genuinely wonder if they know where the boost was from.

I still think it's wild that evermore higher ups will name jenny in interviews and stuff and position her as evermore's enemy no. 1, like imagine the (puppet) ceo of a theme park calling you 'revenge of the nerds'

Took me a few days to finish the video, my 2nd comment is: supplement peddler = grifter. Without exception. Allegedly. (the Venn diagram bet. supplement sellers and "serial entrepreneur" has to be over 90%...)

A realm is a place, and a town is also a place, but much MUCH smaller. It might be a good way to manage costs. "Hey kids, let's finish our Feast Snack so we can go ride the Dragon Pony" "They say this Cavern Shed is haunted by a ravenous Ogre Teenager"

To be fair, as one of the new people, I am still working through the backlog. It is a big backlog.

They honestly should have consulted you for how to save it

Did anyone ever look into if Ken had PPP loans forgiven?

God it's so sad to me that millionaires get to spend money on such stupid things like that Realm Town youtube channel. That tarot video was hard to watch. So cringe. But you can tell they paid SOMEBODY to film it.

I wouldn't be surprised if all the flaunting the property on TikTok was meant to attract naive investors. Truly taking up the torch from Ken

Somehow the park is owned by a second con artist, idk how that’s possible.

Thank you, this video was super enjoyable!

Would kill for a "Revenge for Tip-Top" shirt. Would it be controversial to use the alternate spelling for the shirt, "T1PT0P"?

Hi Jenny, just wondering, have you ever felt scared or unsafe while visiting Evermore? Maybe a building was rickety, food poisoning or unruly employees and guests? Hope you always play it safe.

That plushie is such a spectacular gift!

The Arizona Rens faire runs only a couple months a year but uses "permanent" structures like this and it work really well. I think that could be a salvageable use of the space to do something similar

Having now finished the whole video, seriously considering upping my Patreon tier at some point so I can propose Jenny's version of 'wHaT wOuLd YoU dO wItH tHiS sPaCe' but with like...Disneyland

I think your turkey impression was spot on 😌

Okay, I've gone through all of the stages of grief with the name Realm Town and now find it extremely funny.

Only 45% done with this ramble ATM, but about minute 31, Jenny mentioned sometimes getting together with her friend group to play board games. I'm SOOOO curious to know what her favorite board games are.

I know it won’t be but I hope the furry adjacent video she’s planning is about warrior cats omg

Probly turn it into a grifty conference location and sell expensive tickets for gullible people to come and improve their grind mentality or host corporate scavenger hunt boot camp team building retreats grifty grifters

Realm town sounds like a Farmville clone where the in game currency is a defunct cryptocurrency

THATS BETTE R. NOW. LET THE Q UEST B EGI N.

Galaxy of Fear retrospective someday...

I also find it totally weird and deceptive that he goes by "Dr. Travis Fox" and not Travis Fox, PhD. (This is coming from someone with a PhD). Yes, it's technically correct, but most PhDs don't do it. Also, his website says he has two doctorates (already weird), but LinkedIn only has one from what looks to be a degree mill. (Also it only took 3 years??)

I've been around spaces with rich nerds who attempt to use their capital to invest in nerd ventures. The four I knew best actually had built their businesses themselves and did a lot of competent financial projection before starting their ventures. My takeaway is this: the only way to make money off of ttrpg nerds is to charge a subscription fee for a shared space with a dedicated audience. Kind of like how Patreon works. The space should be comfortably appointed, with private portions available on a reservation basis. It should be clean, cozy, stocked with snacks and the latest board games, and have multiple tables for TTRPG sessions. Those tables should be relatively private and noise-controlled for the comfort of the players and the other visitors. There should be single-player board games and a few regularly-cleaned video game systems, with sanitized headphones available for noise control. Subscribers pay a monthly fee to have access to this. Some dates will be reserved for events, and those dates should be published well in advance. Outsiders associated with a subscriber can attend, for a fee, and must be approved by management. That's it. Don't open a game store, don't open a restaurant and charge for game tables, don't try to charge for D&D sessions, don't try to organize mini-cons except for fun, don't try to pro DM except as a weekend gig similar to birthday party entertainment. None of those things shake out, profit-wise. I know this is a little tangential because I'm disregarding LARPing, but if the question is 'can rich nerds get ROI on nerd shit?' the answer is 'yes and I just told you how.'

every time i hear about the elusive theme park binder i hope and wish jenny will someday make a video going thru it

Sooo... the Awards Search from the Emmy's official website didn't turn up any results on "Travis Fox". Also his IMDb only lists 2 nominations in his "Awards" section. So there's that...

I 100% believe the Kanye story. That is something Kanye would do.

The music in the Hatch the Egg announcement video sounds plagiarized from the Starfield main theme -- like its modified a little, but it sounds so similar in most places that I think it would qualify as copyright infringement

As someone from Utah, Jenny's special interest in evermore is the best thing that's ever happened to me

The King/Queen clip (1:41:40) where there’s a live translation to portuguese is so funny cause the guy 100% is not a professional translator. He keeps stuttering and the translation is ass lmao It’s interesting cause even in this one random clip you can tell that the new owners get involved in things that look overall “professional” but if you take a closer look even for a second you can see that it’s only form and no substance.

Jenny I love your work but having followed it for some time there is no chance in this entire world that your prospective pokemon video remains 'casual'

Jenny has been named the Best YouTuber by ... the Pokémon franchise. where "..." = "someone who happens to have the same name as the protagonist of Detective Pikachu, an odd spin-off of"

This new couple who owns the venue is so.... very questionable, and their entire operation is just so full of red flags, and everything points to them having no idea what they are doing, and the odds are so against them. And yet. Despite this, deep in my heart, I still kind of want them to succeed. The chance is so small for them to even open this thing (whatever the hell it is) right now, let alone for it to be any kind of functional entertainment, but I still hope against hope. Which I know makes me sound like I'm rooting for the underdog here or something when they're clearly not (side note: I have kind of this weird, petty, personal hatred against the serial entrepreneur Type Of Guy that Jenny talks about here, I somehow have encountered so many of these but also guys who aspire to be them that it's like a grudge at this point lol), it's not even that, I don't know, I think I would take anything at this point that would save it from the tragic end of Yet Another Office Park.

I will say, I suspect that "Revenge of the Nerds" was not him saying that you are a nerd lashing out, but rather a "popular girl" belittling the supposed real nerds. He just gives me that vibe.

"Dear god, they took the EXPOSED WIRES" took me the fuck out

If the local fire department could afford to buy the park, they could burn the buildings down as training exercises. It might be a safe way to dispose of them if they structurally questionable.

Thank you as always for your dedication to patreon videos 🙏🏼 your hard work does not go unnoticed and I know I’m not alone in being thrilled every time a ramble is posted! A lot of them take as much research and editing as a main channel video can, but you always put 100% in the ramble topics. You’ve been one of my favorite YouTubers for years and I would listen to you talk about just about anything

The more I hear about Ken Bretschnieder the more he reminds me of the CEO of Oceangate, Stockton Rush, who fired any expert who told him it was foolish to build a deep sea sub out of discount fiberglass. The carelessness, the ego, the alleged tantrums (Rush once threw a game controller, which doubled as a submersible controller, at the head of an expert who was trying to get the sub loose from a shipwreck after Rush jammed them in the rigging), using subpar materials . . . I'm glad they never added rollercoasters etc to Evermore because I have no confidence that they would have been built to code. That they were stacking premade buildings like they were Legos was bad enough, someone could have been hurt or killed. It's also crazy to think that Evermore management was bragging about their solid marble columns, buying real gravestones, and importing expensive arches while skimping on the basics of the buildings. Those are, uh, quite the priorities. Anyway, I never tire of these Evermore deep dives and I hope something weird and interesting happens with the land. The puppet / animatronic tour was amazing. Thanks for another great video!

I spent this whole video looking into the eyes of Jenny's hat so I guess now I understand how birds get tricked by those big moths

Ramble suggestion, Jenny buys the supplements and gets jacked

I'm not saying Jenny *should* go to the Crooked Lantern Tavern with a fake beard, I'm just saying that we have video evidence from the original Evermore video that she definitely has a fake beard. And that she wears it over her nose sometimes.

Credible source for Kanye is definitely North 😂

I (Patreon) say you're the best YouTuber, Jenny. Add it to your accolades.

What a fun follow up

Them calling you mean is so funny. It'll never cease to impress me how you can achieve any amount of success in life and still never learn to accept criticism more gracefully than the average 8 year old

i love jenny opening with "this is my special interest" because evermore is my special interest but exclusively through this channel. i will never hear enough of jenny's adventures with evermore.

I also think it's crazy that people think you have it out for Evermore, when your knowledge rivals that of the biggest Evermore fan. I feel like it's impossible to know that much about a theme park but also revel in its destruction? Idk.

This is related because it seems like "another themed experience gone bad" meets "horse girl" -- I was served an ad for "unicorn world" and I'm obsessed with their weird marketing YouTube channel https://m.youtube.com/@UnicornWorldEvent. Apparently reviews in other cities were really bad. But they do have unicorns.

His “revenge of the nerds” comment was so out of pocket. What a ridiculous thing to say

I'm going to spend the rest of the day speculating on what Kanye song the dwarves were made to awkwardly sing. This is all I'm going to think about.

lmao @ Jenny speedrunning getting banned from More-vermore before it even opens

I ♥️ Terry Turkey

“A 30 year career of hypnotizing people” is an insane sentence

He has an Emmy ? Umm they have a handy online directory you can check to confirm if he does. I got blocked by a scamfluencer before for calling out his fake Emmy. I’m calling BS that this guy has an Emmy

That Kanye anecdote is incredible

I finally watched the entire Evermore saga. I (allegedly) really (allegedly) enjoyed it. Can't wait for further installments.

As an architect, the habitability and fire code implications of what you talked about with how the buildings were constructed is INSANE. Liability city from an insurance point of view

my fave things about jenny's on-the-ground reporting is when you can hear her theorize behind the camera about what she's looking at. loved this vid

I think they're going to make "Realmtown" a corporate retreat for team building. That's my theory.

YIKES about the building code stuff. Wow. These videos make me feel like I'm so so good at budgeting and so sensible about money.

Just a technical question, we can’t save the Patreon videos to playlists right?

Genuinely I've never understood why so many people apparently think Jenny had/has it out for Evermore. I understand that when you're really close in to something it's easier to perceive criticism as hostile but, in my opinion, it's extremely apparent that she wants the best for it Idk, I guess I feel bad that she feels like she can't go to any of the spin off things in case people start a fight :(

“We looked into the building permit situation, boss. The great news is that we have paperwork for the train tracks…”

Looking at how the park is going… the doll was cursed for real you guys! But honestly, how weird is it that the park seems to be like a blood diamond bringing bad luck to whoever buys it. Imagine it keeps changing hands and devalues to like $20 so finally Jenny can buy it and finally have her OWN amusement park… and then she can finally erect that giant tree with her face on it (and that’s how the curse gets broken) I hope you enjoyed my ramble Jenny

As a super happy post-Star Wars Hotel subscriber, I’m kind of curious: are the Barbie video mentions a bit? Or is it actually a real video that people are expecting? Just want to know which funny way to find it when it’s forgotten about until the very end of the “what I’m working on” sections.

Through this entire video I kept thinking "I have been to the RealmTube channel and all I took away from it was that one of their guys fantasizes about beating up trespassers and they thought this would be a totally cool and fine thing to put on their official channel." I'm glad that didn't go entirely unremarked upon.

I got so excited when I saw the title of this video. Watching it feels like watching a new season of a prime-time soap opera. A fresh cast of colorful characters, more juicy drama, all new wacky anecdotes. I love it so much.

Great video, can't wait for part 5.

Losing my mind at the Sparc concept art

Oooooh yes there‘s so much investigative joy in this. This might be my favourite one yet!

These businessmen getting all upset by horrible mean critiques of their business practices is so pathetic

I just looked at Ross McGarvey's website, and the front page says "Entrepreneur are doers, not dreamers" and I'm confident that that's supposed to be plural, "entrepreneurs". So either he should've gotten an editor or business people use English weirdly.

If someone is able to make a good theme park on the plot of land formally known as Evermore; the amount of positive publicity they would get from Jenny Nicholson would be invaluable!

Why is there a man trying to "rescue" a fish by grabbing at it with his hands!? BUY A NET!

Guess Evermore is Nevermore. Yeah I see myself out.

I laughed at your first example of a "trade with a mentor" being "blacksmithing", but specifically because I thought the exact same thing.

That Pokemon retrospective would be so cool knowing how deep you get with research! My brain immediately went to the adventures manga showing the brand identity shift clearly

i went to their tiktok and you're right. they literally do a video a day about what everyone's "vision" for different spaces is. i love it haha

that’s just an average straight couple in utah tbh

The Kanye thing is hilarious, but also sad, because holy shit, that man needed mental health care SO LONG AGO.

A big metal EVERMORE sign would have looked great above the horse desk :-(

Joined a bit before Starcruiser and it's been a treat to be here. I have enjoyed watching your videos since ~2018/2019 and love all this Patreon content. I was overjoyed to have not just the new videos but all the awesome backlog to watch.

That end shot of you looking out at Vander's Keep feels like the beginning of Rebecca. Last night I dreamt of Evermore...

Always love hearing about Evermore. Also I'm glad I'm not the only one who gets excited about pokemon postcards haha. Pokemon has always been a special interest of mine so I'm excited for that video.

Just when I thought there would never be any more Evermore stories. The theme park may have been a big trainwreck, but as far as interesting information goes, it's the gift that keeps on giving. Will it keep on giving forevermore?

Every single time they say "hatch the egg" I think of it in the trans sense. Pretty sure nobody in that marketing department knows the term though. I'm looking forward to the newest output from Realm Town: The Ultimate Out of the Closet Quest!!!! (it's a fashion video that's tied to some MLM... and by that I mean multilevel marketing, not the other MLM which again they definitely don't know what that means)

Omg, I've met Travis Fox in person! He used to come to the Oregon state fair & hypnotize people as entertainment on stage & suggest to them that they perform lip syncs of pop songs as if they were the celebrities. It was obviously all an act, but still quite fun. I was Katy Perry. ☺️

Ok this is massive so I don't even know if it will work. I'm a former cast member at Evermore and I've posted detailed comments like this on previous Patreon Evermore videos and people seemed to appreciate it, so here we go again! 4:34 I hadn’t heard of him either, despite the fact that I was a performer during time he was supposedly a manager. This isn’t really surprising, ground-level employees scarcely received communication from or about anything above their department’s management. 6:55 Hi Bob! He was actually a cast member at Evermore for one season. This was after he had already been reporting on Evermore for a while, and AFAIK none of his content even during or after that period was endorsed by the park. I can attest he is as friendly and genuine in person as he is in his videos, and a great guy. 7:07 There were several others during the first few years. After Evermore announced in early 2021 that they were discontinuing all stories, quest, and characters they had done up until that point and changing to a more story-light experience, several of the most dedicated fans and frequent guests stopped engaging with the park, including any who made content about it. 8:32 Yeah. They did reorganize and lay people off several times, but only below a certain point in seniority. Obviously Ken himself and any business partners or investors that had any stake in the company maintained control. Though, if they ever “managed” anything, it was done in a very hands-off way and dictated through several layers of employees. 9:55 This kind of toxic positivity is rampant in Utah. Any type of criticism or discontent towards any leadership, usually rich, straight, white men, is highly frowned upon. Literally, in this case. The people who dare to express negative opinions or challenge the status quo (who are often not rich straight white men) are then viewed as problematic and practically shunned. Anyone who criticizes or challenges is bad, bad people are untrustworthy, therefore their criticisms and opinions are invalid. 10:23 Also strange since he did create a TTRPG company. If anything, I think that would qualify someone as a “nerd” themselves. 10:45 Exactly! 11:12 Ken held strong control over a lot of aspects of the park and the business, but it’s obviously far too big of an operation for one person to micro-manage so much of it. Another example is he wouldn’t let anyone change the Evermore website. It was commonly suggested to use the website as a way to communicate storylines and background information for new guests but it never happened. It’s unclear if Ken outright refused that, or if he didn’t mind the idea but wouldn’t do it himself or let anyone else have access to do it. 13:25 There were times when the food at the park was good. I don’t know if they were only able to have better food by cutting corners, operating without being under code, and then changed once they were under scrutiny (remember when one of the buildings lit on fire?), or if they just cut costs. 17:40 I think you’re probably right, and I don’t think this was the only time it or something similar happened. There were several times Ken would try to bring new money in, and sometimes people would bite-only to quickly back out after learning how bad the situation was. 18:50 That would require admitting fault or failure from park leadership, and thus would have never happened. 22:50 This aggravates me lol. Changing the official Facebook page name for the park changed all my “worked at” and tagged posts to say “Thecrookedlantern” instead of “Evermore Park” and it looks awful and drives me crazy. 23:30 I’m definitely biased here but I do think that some of the intellectual property that Ross now owns does have some value, or at least at one point had the potential to, but ironically it was all but abandoned after the aforementioned 2021 announcement. The worldbuilding and characters had their moments, and the Evermore Realms card game, while a relatively small project, was reportedly actually profitable for Evermore. There was an entire second set of cards designed and ready to print that never saw the light of day. Furthermore, even though Ross technically owns all the intellectual property from Evermore, he might not even be aware of most of it. Even if he was it probably wasn't properly archived anywhere. He’d have to dig through old employee emails Google Drives to piece it together, if that data even still exists or he has any way to access it, or rehire someone who worked on it to attempt to recreate it. 25:25 An Evermore property only designed to look nice and not actually facilitate people or events there? Consider me shocked. /s 30:00 Beyond the Gates is not the first former employee/fans spiritual successor that has been attempted. I was briefly involved with a group called Mynheras larp that was also the same concept. Their goal was to not have the same problems Evermore had and then almost immediately began falling apart because they were having the same problems Evermore had-at least on the creative side of things. They didn’t have any money. I haven’t worked with Beyond the Gates but there are good and talented people who are involved and I wish them the best. 31:20 I’d like to think most of us are appreciative towards the work you did and agree with all the criticism you made (and more), and I know several of us are, but it is Utah. I would be disappointed, but not surprised, to find a handful who hold undue resentment towards you. 39:00 I don’t know anything about this exhibit in particular, but there were so many incredibly talented people who were exploited, burned, and abandoned by Evermore. Several sculptors and creature-creators worked for months to years before the park opened, and then were laid off within months of the park opening. I’m glad to see some of their efforts and creations survived and are being put to some use. 42:30 I’m getting emotional and nostalgic seeing these omg ;_; 44:25 oh I’m so glad you had the opportunity to speak to one of them directly! 44:50 YES. This was actually a part of a big and surprising problem with Evermore’s development and how there was no intellectual property developed (e.g. story and characters) before they had to start building them. I’ll go into this in more depth in my eventual video about my experiences at Evermore if I ever finish it 45:28 yep yep yep 46:20 YEP YEP YEP 47:00 I actually didn’t know a lot of this either and it explains a lot. 47:20 and while I’m sure this all true, a lot of the puppets and creature suits did fall into significant disrepair and were never fixed. 51:20 I never personally saw any of this behavior but I did hear about it from others who I 100% believe. 52:00 My impression is that he’s not evil or malicious per se, but is someone whose ego far surpasses his competence and refuses to acknowledge or accept his failures or shortcomings. When confronted with them, he lashes out. EDIT: I have since seen his recent Twitter replies. He has gone full alt-right Musk bro. As he is someone who did create a place that was something of a haven for a lot of marginalized communities in Utah, and -has queer children himself-, him revealing those opinions is a complete betrayal. I now consider him malicious as well as incompetent. 55:00 this is hilarious and I never heard these details before. While, I believe, none of the displays were intended to be specifically religious, several of the antiques were originally religious in nature and several sculptures made for the park were themed similarly. It all felt very classically Catholic or Anglican, which is funny to do in Utah where the population is very religious and conservative but specifically (and proudly) NOT Catholic or Anglican. Mormons. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 56:55 lmao we literally called that building “the barn” the first couple of seasons. 57:55 I was under the impression that the tavern was one of the few that was an original design, but maybe that was just the interior. 59:10 As far as I know, they never attempted to sell liquor on the park premises outside of the premium special events and Vander’s Keep. Corners were cut constantly, but I don’t think they were ever this bold with it. I’m sure he wanted to, but it would be impossible to get away with in Utah. It would stand out so much compared to any other similar attraction in the state, and enough of the population would actually be shocked and offended at the presence of alcohol that some suburban parents with too much time on their hands would report them immediately. 1:00:30 I don’t recall any specific details but there were several liens and lawsuits from contractors who weren’t paid even in the first year Evermore was open. 1:01:40 I’m not an authority on this subject but I don’t actually think this was the case for this building. The upper floor did have “pillars”, but they weren’t put in until several years after the park opened and were clearly fake and not structurally integral. There were antique stone columns in the park (and I once heard they were actually the oldest artifacts on site), but they were across the graveyard from the building around the weird shrine with the antique statue of Saint Apollonia, the Catholic patron saint of dentistry. To be clear, the mausoleum could easily have not been up to code but it wasn’t because there were marble columns in the upper floor. I’m not trying to defend the park by any means, but I’d like to try to keep the facts straight to paint an accurate picture. 1:03:50 These details are also new to me and also not a surprise. Infrastructure throughout the park was very limited. Again, I’m not an expert and don’t know the specifics, but the idea of hosting mid-sized performances and concerts was brought up several times almost immediately when the park opened, and I was told the infrastructure couldn’t support anything like that. Not even electricity for proper lights and sound. 1:04:50 As far as I know this is correct. I’m sure new owners wouldn’t want to inherit all the problems, debts, and negative reputation Evermore Park the company has, but it is sad that the park and the intellectual property have been separated. 1:12:13 I’m getting flashbacks to hbomberguy revealing that Tommy Tallarico wasn’t actually on MTV Cribs 1:16:00 While I’m also not particularly optimistic, this is still a much better outcome than having it all be demolished and bulldozed for condominiums. 1:20:00 This isn’t the first time this has happened in Utah. They seem to be copying a trend of semi-high-profile scavenger hunts that have taken place in the state over the past several years. Unsurprisingly, the winners are always the people who can afford to commit the most time to it (i.e. not working a day job), which aren’t the people that could use the money the most. 1:32:20 Amongst the several, several red flags around Realm Town (and that terrible, terrible name), the one point of optimism I’ll give is that the man in this footage here (he’s not as public as the owners so I won’t name him but for all I know he introduces himself in one of their videos) is the former “Project Director” at Evermore from late 2019 until the layoffs in 2021, and was in a senior creative position for at least a year before that. He was creatively involved in all the storylines and “gameplay” that existed during what is considered to be Evermore’s peak, and experienced firsthand all the traps, shortcomings, frustrations, and challenges in developing and operating Evermore. Him returning to the land formerly-known-as-Evermore is something of a redemption arc, or could be. I would say that because of his direct, firsthand experience that he is one of the more qualified people who could direct this project, but judging by everything you’re pointing out here I worry he is in a similar position under the Foxes as he was under Ken. But I also wonder, because of the new ownership’s apparent cluelessness and aimlessness, if he and/or other people passionate about the park were the ones who encouraged them to purchase the land in the first place. 1:50:40 Meh. If they didn’t know what they were getting into when they purchased the land then you’re just educating them about it now. Anyone reasonable would be grateful for it, but maybe it’s unrealistic to expect that anyone who owns these projects to be reasonable. 1:52:10 Oh! There it is! The card game. I am forever bitter about it because the characters I played weren’t included in the initial set that was printed but were going to be in the finished but unpublished second set. Someone who had connections to its development very generously leaked the art to me and it’s amazing and I don’t know if I can even legally share it. I moved states after my last season at Evermore in August 2023, so I don’t have too much more insight into Realm Town or any other ongoing developments. What small relevance I’ve had here is quickly diminishing haha. I mentioned in another comment that I’m working on a video describing my experiences at Evermore. I say this not to self-promote, but hopefully by making myself accountable to some other people I might be encouraged enough to actually finish it. Big thanks yet again to Jenny for her earnest and thorough approach to this fascinating topic (and to all the topics she covers on her channel) that means a lot, or meant a lot, to several passionate and talented people and for encouraging large-scale creative endeavors to meet their potential by offering helpful and specific criticisms and ideas.

I'm like 99% sure that the "heavy feeling" in that ghost hunting video is what happens when you go in a poorly built building with mold, watered down materials and marble fixtures that the building wasn't meant to support.

It is really disappointing that it seems like Evermore is just surrounded by serial entrepreneurs, passed from one to the next. It's really striking comparing the interviews with people like the guy who gave the tour with all the puppets and prosthetics to people like the self-proclaimed hypnotist Businessmen who not only aren't super invested in the creative side of the park, they don't seem like they'd be very adept at handling the business side of a park like this.

i am so beyond excited for this holy shit. being a member of ur patreon is always the best [number redacted] i spend every single year

These are fantastic. This fourth video feels cathartic. Sure, the park was a nightmare but those underpaid workers loved it and found their community after its closure. Now there's a friend group for this weird niche, now defunct, theme park. When Evermore isn't making me laugh from the absurd business decisions or terrified by the very real "accidents" that could have happened there as a result of them, it can seem kind of wholesome.

I think he's comparing you to the bully in Revenge because he, a millionaire running his LARP park without role-playing insight, is a poor little nerd, being bullied by a mean wolf-capped Ogre. "NER-RRRRDS!"

hearing "I hope we can get close enough to get the pokestop" is probably one of the most niche relatable things i've heard

i was way too high for part 7

I love how they’re asking randoms on the internet “what would YOU do with this space?” as though there isn’t a 3hr video which tells them exactly what they CAN AND SHOULD do………..

I love love love all the Evermore videos, with theme park trivia and drama and Tolkienesque fantasy and LARP all packaged up with a little Schadenfreude. Thanks for making fun stuff to watch!

omg furry adacent video in the pipeline...im so curious

A LARP theme park is basically impossible. It would require a full-time staff of actors (with insane improvisational skills) and writers to make it work. And by "full-time", I mean they would essentially have to live at the park. The actors would, anyway. Evermore was doomed by mismanagement no matter what, but the LARP thing was just a stupid idea. If they had focused on just building a nice generic "fantasy" themed amusement park, that would have had a chance. A small one. If they built it in a state that people wanted to visit.

Terry the Turkey is an adorable cohost and I'm glad they're best friends with Ouannii. Between Terry and the big porg, you are surrounded by rotund plush and I couldn't be happier for you.

In another timeline I could imagine Ken asking Jenny to help them fix the park and Jenny documents it on social media so evermore can get more press and then they both get super successful off of it making Jenny a theme park legend.

I sub to two Patreons. One is yours, of course, and one is to an extremely nerdy podcast called Alzabo Soup that breaks down Gene Wolfe novels in intricate detail. Fun fact: in addition to being a science fiction author, Gene Wolfe was also the engineer responsible for Pringles - he is the mustached man on the tin.

As someone who works a desk job and is on a computer most of the day, thank you so much for another video in the Evermore series. My favorite through line is the rise of Evermore Bob from brief cameo to featured creator.

Phenomenal video Jenny!!! Realmtown is a pretty lame name. I think the foxes should have went with the obvious choice - ultimate fantasy nerdtown quest - but I'm not a successful "entrepreneur"

Lmao “very Amway” and the fitness and supplements is hilarious 😂 from bad to worse

I joined after the star wars hotel video and I'M NEVER LEAVING

They should go on YouTube and the saltines in this video is classic. Everyone would love it. A+ Jenny.

this is my Super Bowl

I joined after the Star Wars video. I usually don't do Patreon, so I've been meaning to leave every month and every month I'm like, well but I want to see her next Ramble... So for me at least I can say I've stuck around because I really like your videos!

I used to work at a place called Kidzania, and Kidzania is what i think Evermore should’ve tried to be like. It’s a huge, kid sized town where kids can make money doing different type educational activities that teach you about a specific profession. They have doctors, fire fighters, musicians, etc etc. Kids get “paid” with an in game currency when completing 90% of the activities and can spend that money on toys and special activities. The system worked great and was rewarding for the kids. they can collect stamps of the jobs they complete in a passport book. It wasn’t perfect but working there was fun and super rewarding. I was one of the “activity facilitators” and got to act out being whatever profession i was assigned to. I know this was more child oriented but i think a system like Kidzania’s could be applied to a more general audience. Something interactive on a large scale isn’t impossible to do, and i hope the new owners can figure it out

This video came right when I needed it to make it through finals 🫡

Before you explained what it was, I thought the soul stealer statue was two lovers embracing💀

Omg Jenny must have been sending out Evermore vibes bc I just rewatched her previous three videos on the park last week! Talk about the planets aligning or whatever!

Holy sh* I thought you were done with Evermore. Now I -really- need to finish my response video as a former cast member. I’ll try to come back and do timestamped responses to this video like I did in the past when I have time later.

Thank you so much for these Evermore videos I am completely enraptured by this weird ongoing soap opera and I'd have never even heard of it if it wasn't for you.

"Dear God, they took the exposed wires!" cracked me up

I'm upset on the tour you didn't put your hand in any of the mouths. How can we figure out stuff about the mouth?

I was so hoping you said you bought the property. Also, I think they’re asking Jenny what they should do with the park.

Omg and the stinger about beating up trespassers! I am a holdout that I hope you still want to roast whatever the latest Fantastic Beasts movie was. I found your channel because of how much I hated the first movie and am always ready for more snark!

i need an "allegedly" counter for this vid

dying at this fake ceo calling jenny revenge of the nerds LMAO

I want to know what level Jenny is in Pokemon Go! Did it ever show in the video?

i’m just thinking how funny it would be if the owner of evermore paid a high tier here to submit “why evermore is the best park ever” as a topic for a ramble

just watched through all the evermore patreon videos! ty for the awesome stack of content :D

I swear Jenny's videos are pure magic and never feel as long as they are. Like I tried watching gladiator 2 the other day and was so bored I kept pulling out my phone to do some movie math. Okay the movie started at this time and goggle says the runtime is this and there were like 10 - 15 minutes of previews and ending credits are like 5 minutes, so like an hour left 🙄 And I hadta do that like 4 separate times and left the theater mad, like I wasted my time and money on that?! Now a Jenny vid is the complete opposite you feel good after every single one 😀 So I'm thankful for Jenny and her amazing content 🙏

damn i didn’t realize i missed 2 installments and now im 6 hours in the hole

"cutting out everything that needs to go"? jeez she really is always talking about cutting out the rot

I’m a plumbing engineer so I have random niche knowledge about filing things with cities (I’m in New York, it varies by city) but I remember watching the original evermore video and the fact that there was no HVAC (heating or air conditioning) of any kind, fire protection/life safety things like fire extinguishers, sprinklers, or fire hose connections, or plumbing in many of the buildings really jumped out as a kinda red flag. I assumed it was just because they were being super cheap but it makes so much sense knowing that a lot of them are pre-fab buildings. If an architecture firm was involved, they would have brought on engineers, and then all the designs would have been filed with the city, which is typically an additional fee, and it would have required that everything be up to code (national safety and local building codes). Then again, if an engineering firm was involved in the design from day 1, they wouldn’t have had issues with pipes freezing!

In the spirit of the new owners, I’m gonna raise my patron level just so I can submit a ramble topic that reads “well, I don’t know, what would YOU GUYS put on the poll”

It's really a bad sign for a place if the management has a negative view of Jenny. She certainly makes her criticisms plain, but she is approaching it all from the perspective of someone who wants to enjoy what is being offered and is willing to buy in to the experience far more than just an average visitor. The fact that she talks about the problems doesn't mean that she adversarial. Far from it. People who are creating things like Evermore or Galactic Starcruiser need to understand that Jenny's opinions are as good of a measure of core customer experience as they could ever receive. She's willing to buy in, she's willing to go along with the experience, she's willing to be understanding of reasonable limitations, and *she wants it to work according to the vision that has been communicated to the public*. Jenny didn't make the stormy weather for your attraction. She's just the meteorologist reporting that it's there. If you want to make what you're doing work, then listen to what she has to say. And she's 100% willing - even eager - to be able to report that improvements have been made to an experience.

The combo of prefabricated buildings but focus on real antiques is really weird to me. There's a couple of open air museums around where i live ( germany, though i think they are just A Thing in europe) where they take actual old houses (300years+) and group them together as a pseudo-village. To preserve historical buildings, while allowing new (needed) buildings in populated areas. You can walk into these houses, there's usually some interiror decor and some info about what kind of people lived there and what their day to day was like. Some of them have a lot of days where crafts/trades people will be in the house and do their craft in a old time way. Smiths, ropemakers, beekeepers, millers, teachers, cooks, bakers, tanners, shoemakers, carpenters...I think its really cool and fun and love to go. It does kinda feel like Evermore wanted the legitimacy of a museum like that, with Old And Real stuff ( which tbh, as an european i am not inherently impressed by. I grew up in a house that was 600 years old. Its not that big a deal.), and actors 'bringing history to life' with a fantasy twist. But also it was supposed to be 10 other things and none of them were committed to. And it looks like the new owners also don't want to commit to anything, they seem more vibes based.

“A little short of two hours? I mean…it’s fine….better that nothing I guess.” -Jenny’s Insatiable Evermore Content Gluttons (like me)

the kanye story is so incredible, I can picture it perfectly. Hilarious

I was offended when that guy called Jenny’s fans nerds. Maybe the rest of y’all are nerds but I’m not. I just wanted to make that crystal clear! I can translate this into Klingon. Or Vulcan. I’m fluently bilingual 🖖

please if there is any footage of the Kanye Incident we NEED as a culture to find it

When he says it’s hard to breathe in there… Maybe it’s the black mold 😩

(This has probably already been said but) could it be that the Foxes keep asking people to comment with their ideas about what they should do because it’s a way to raise engagement for algorithm-gaming purposes? I mean, they come across as a type whose content is never very popular organically, and who then use every trick in the book to inflate their numbers. Reminded me of JayStation who was probably prompting his audience to comment for similar reasons. Of course, it could be that they *also* genuinely have no idea…

I wonder if the interpreter knew to brush up on his fantasy vocabulary before the seminar. If I had to suddenly remember the words for wizard and bard I'd be doomed

Wow, what a great video Jenny. I think you answered the age old “why no appealing dining offerings?” question in your revelation of the pre-fab status of the buildings. If there’s no ventilation to code, they literally can’t cook on premises and can only re-heat items, like a Panera. Which it seems they were doing at your last visit with the microwave burgers and warmed up cookies.

One tiny but shocking revelation in this video is that there was a Scottish man on the management team for years and he didn't put a stop to the painfully bad Scottish accents some of the American actors were doing

so excited for all the videos you mentioned you’re working on!! (especially barbie im sorry I just love seeing your take on things)

Excellent. Btw - the youtube version is marked for kids so it can't be added to playlists. I wasn't sure if that was intentional.

They're so dumb to rip up the train tracks because they could have cheaply bought one of those old timey handcars and had goblins or some other creatures go around the park in it. It could easily have been a quest point. These people have no imagination.

The train thing boggles my mind. I mean if they were looking to get a deal on a compatible train why not try and buy it from Ken? What is he going to do with it? Maybe it was already auctioned off to pay creditors or otherwise disposed of but I wouldn't be surprised if it was sitting in Ken's yard or something. I get that the new owners probably wouldn't want to deal with Ken but if you are running a business you have to be able to set your emotions aside. And if you don't trust someone then that's what lawyers and due diligence are for. If the train was repossessed by the bank [which is a funny process to think about] then the same line of reasoning applies. What would a bank want with a train?

Getting in the correct position to watch a new video from the best youtuber (according to Patreon)

I haven’t watched the other Evermore videos yet but I’m glad I watched this one first. I feel like I just discovered Pompeii and now I’m curious to find out what it was like before the volcano.

100% chance the new owners install a throne and sit on it at some point. This is all a long con for their royalty fetish.

Yes! If you're confused about the youtube upload dates, I fixed an editing issue in Return I'd been meaning to get to, in anticipation of this one coming out, so it's a new upload of an older video

Also it sucks how all of the amazing props they made for ever more were never really in use? Those propmakers have serious talent and I really appreciated you showing us some of their gallery and telling us more about it!! My favorite was the lurching box goblin husk in the corner.

The Kanye West x Evermore crossover wasn't on my bingo card tbh

This video is heavy energy

love the ghost hunting man constantly talking about "heavy energy" when we all know that the walls of those buildings are full of mold. it's lowkey reminding me of nadine, the psychic from paranormal home inspectors, who kept mentioning that she was feeling a heavy presence in the houses they went to and having trouble breathing

hitting the wall of "what would you do" videos got me so messed up... as though these people cynically realized there is more content to be farmed as "someone renovating a theme park" than there is as "someone who owns a theme park." I don't imagine that actually pans out in the long term, but it definitely feels like that somehow.

i've been pining for this like a starved stray dog stuck at the bottom of a well

Evermore is truly the gift that keeps on giving

You will certainly be contacted to be a consultant for new parks large and small, and immersive experiences as well. Immersive apps and video games too. I suspect maybe you already have. They’d be fools to not draw on your knowledge and perspective. When that happens, or if it is already happening, please keep us apprised as much as you are able. You are awesome.

I love the content, Jenny, is there any way that you can post these as private YouTube videos like you normally do? I just have them all in a big playlist and they’re easier to play on YouTube than on the Patreon player.

I live in the neighboring city to the one where Evermore was and every time I drive past that place I think of Jenny😅

jenny has been SO kind and generous with her review and perception of the park. it’s wild that evermore and their diehard fans spin it as though she’s ultra rude and malicious towards them and the park

Before you finished the story about Kanye I thought the dwarves were going to play a Taylor Swift song for him when they were brought out, which would've been insane on like multiple levels - I'm simultaneously so glad and so sad that they played one of his songs instead. Maybe something from TLOP or ye, like 'Real Dwarves' or 'Dwarf Town'?

I haven't seen the entire movie but I'm pretty sure that the only meaner 80s reference he could have used than "Revenge of the Nerds" is "That's just the Reaganomics of YouTube"

Serial entrepreneur (derogatory)

I was planning on suggesting a Pokémon Go video once I saw you still play, but now I imagine it’d be mentioned in the Pokémon retrospective you speak about in the end

Another awesome video from Jenny! I am sure others have commented on this but I wonder what "Bob's" take is on the new owners. Guess I'll have to keep an eye out on his channel. Or he could just jump into the conversation if he is still here.

The “hatch the egg” thing reminds me of that viral mobile game where people chipped away live at a giant cube and the person who broke the last block was promised a “life-changing” prize but the prize was just some creative input on their next game and 1% of the revenue, and that next game ended up being a commercial failure and isn’t even available anymore

A typically great video. I can totally understand your reluctance to go to one of the new attractions, whatever they might eventually be. Revenge of the Nerds is such a terrible insult! By which I mean 'low quality', not that it's terribly rude or anything. Not everyone is a good spontaneous insult comic. Still, Revenge of the Nerds came out in 1984, and that guy (whose name I've already forgotten) doesn't look nearly old enough to have watched it back then. What a strange thing to name drop. I loved Bob going, "Oh, no, not the exposed wires!" Is he a Patreon backer, or was the original video on the public YouTube channel? I lose track.

Jenny but you ARE a prominent immersive entertainment influencer! If it weren’t for you, I wouldn’t even know of the existence of so many parks and things to do in said parks! I never even cared about theme parks growing up! You deserve to be on that list (in my opinion, at least)

It is mind boggling to me that they cannot figure out selling food. Is it a license issue?

On November 30th Bob At Evermore posted a video on his channel about Evermore's Creature Workshop where Troy Larson worked, the fella who make the Unworldly exhibit that Jenny went and who she talked to at the end of her tour. You can se that big white spider in action as an animatronic.

I want to know what terrible thing happened on that land originally to bring about so many repeatedly cursed decisions

Tiptop deserves revenge!

You're awesome Jenny! So happy to be a Patreon supporter ❤️

Realm Town is killing me. Placeville. Area Land. Also in the candy shop video... deciphers???

I’ve definitely seen the original video like four times but I’m a recent Patreon subscriber and have spent a good part of my day catching up on this series, finally time to start today’s video!

As someone who lives near the Layton Mall (where Unworldly is), the funniest thing in this video is that someone would travel from states away to visit the worst mall I've ever been to, exhibit aside

Ngl, I was skeptical upon seeing the poll that Evermore still had more to say about it, and was a little Evermore-fatigued. But I continue to be amazed at how each and every time this park manages to take a turn for the bizarre. We need like. An annual Evermore ramble video atp

all of the rEaLmToWn videos look so awful in an overproduced sitcom way, like they spent too much on expensive cameras and stage lighting and it just results in the vids looking overlit with unpleasantly high frame rates and distracting focus shifts (which seems in keeping with the tone of the entire project 💀)

if the 'grwm but in a castle' girl on tiktok is the one i'm thinking of, it's a little more insidious because her super creepy dad was trying to drum up business for his castle property (which looks 100% like it used to be a brothel or a porn set, way too many 'watching' spots) and had his teen daughter and her friend make content. it all felt very human trafficking

Jenny being the last one to claim the PokeStops left in Evermore would be quite the power move lol

Applying for the unpaid role of Social Media Bard at Realm Town.

Omg I had JUST finished rewatching all the Evermore vids... Jenny you bless me

Do you think that if you add it all up, Jenny’s made more money off of Evermore content than Evermore has from operating the park?

Close enough, welcome back Apparently Kid

the ouannii plush is the cutest thing ive ever seen omgomg

"tomorrow right here at the realm, from 6 pm to 9 pm we're having a special event just for hatch the egg contestants. Just let support know that you wanna come a little bit early, maybe 5-o-clock, we'll make sure you get in so you don't miss the opportunity to continue not just for september but for the overall hatch the egg. Get here at 6 pm because we start promptly at 6:30, and the game starts. The question is, when will you get here?"

'Vengeful Nerd Cracks Top 10 Theme Park Influencer List!'

Waiting for the day when we get to see some blurry security cam footage of a vaguely Jenny-shaped person wearing a fake beard entering the new warehouse-encased Crooked Lantern Tavern!

I’m so glad Jenny is a fellow Pokémon go player even into 2024!

I was watching this at work and could not stop myself from going nooo….. nooooooo out loud when we got to the buildings stacked on top of each other. Luckily I was alone in the back lol

I had a vivid fantasy towards the end of the video of Jenny quoting Taylor Swift's The Last Great American Dynasty and saying "and then it was bought by me", revealing she has been slowly amassing money to buy the former Evermore and turn it into her version of that French theme park from the abandoned animatronics video.

I say this purely in good humour as a notorious name and face forgettor - Jenny saying she doubted the Kanye pics because they didn't look like him to her is so funny. I am fairly sure she has misidentified or been unable to identify celebrities across the range of fame in at least 5 different videos 😂

this tarot reading is turning me into the joker

Jenny, was it your experience that there was “very heavy energy“ at Evermore?

as someone who worked briefly in property management, the idea of adding a non-necessary elevator into a house for no reason other than to have it is insane to me lol. they break down ALL the time (since they understandably auto-shutdown at even the slightest hint of something out of place or unsafe), and it's hundreds of dollars for someone to come look at it, let alone fix it. it also adds a big lump sum to insurance costs.

Five will get you ten RealmTown is basically a "Large Group Awareness Training" cult compound, and within a year of opening one of the Brandons has acquired it again and started using it for storage.

Looking forward to Evermore 5: The Reanimated Corpse of Evermore

Revenge of the Nerds is a truly macabrely unpleasant movie from the 80s where… I mean I understand that sexism and rape culture have always been a thing in media but that movie grossed me out and I genuinely regret watching it, lol. All of which is to say, Jenny is nothing like THOSE nerds, thank god

Amazing ramble there was just so much to digest I'll be watching this several times! omg that Kanye story was crazy and I hope it's all true lol. Also my jaw hit the floor at the Ouannii plushie :O it's so well made that it looks like official merch! Oooh a Pokémon vid? Sounds good!

It must just be a coincidence that the park attracts overconfident tech "business" people for owners that think operating a physical park is like operating a phone app... Great video. You and Bob need to do a collab sometime, or just post a skype interview or something. EDIT: I just realized I referenced fucking skype, I'll be in the corner feeling old now...

genuinely burst out laughing at "the question is -- when will you get here?"

Staring at myself in the mirror in the morning, whispering “Are you in the correct position?” as a pep talk to begin my day

Obviously the rest of the warehouse is needed for Blorp, Sparc, Buzz and Flumf stock.

The tarot card lady who kept asking “Are you in the correct position?” should’ve been in the sex advice video.

There’s a funny ship of Theseus joke to make but I can’t be bothered to put the work in

YEAHHHH THE GRID! 😎😎😎

After hearing you describe all the renovations that would need to be done to Vanders Keep, I’m so curious if you’ve watched Casa Bonita Mi Amor! I thought the film was so interesting (but I’m also biased living in Denver).

Fantastic video!!! They should have just stuck with the Realm instead of Realm Tooooowwwwnnnn 😂 Thank you Jenny for all the insight and entertainment

Why are these people of mediocre business acumen opening *restaurants*, a notoriously tough industry with razor thin margins? (Especially so in UT aka the state that consumes the least alcohol.)

I legitimately forgot what I was watching during the tarot card reading

I appreciate that Jenny paused to avoid having helicopter sounds in the background of her commentary of a video with a helicopter in it

I will watch all evermore content at least 5 times

Barbie video mention!!

Re: Realmtube, I checked out the channel and assumed because of the inconsistencies in the thumbnails that it was a repurposed channel that they hadn't purged of old content yet 😂

I have no interest in ever going to Evermore, but apparently an insatiable desire for ever more Evermore content

Good news: Evermore is our special interest too.

i’m watching the tarot card part and crying laughing, thank you for showing it

btw "Dr." Fox has supposedly 2 doctorates but the degree for Clinical Hypnosis is *not* an actual, accredited degree. His other degree is supposedly a PhD in Psychology, but that would be a PsyD, not PhD, and it's from a university that doesn't seem to actually have PhD programs and when you google it, the first recommended search is followed by the word "scam" lol ETA: I was wrong about PhDs in psychology, but the replies agree that his sounds like it wasn't legit lol

Got distracted for a few minutes by a message from a friend, and suddenly we're talking about pre-fab horse barns

The people who bought/took over renting the Evermore land seem like something Jenny would invent and pitch for comedy.

not Jenny being accused of being mean for doing hours of research and reporting on bad business practices 😭

Omg I hope that Kanye story is true

I am relatively close to Evermore. In Christmas 2023 my whole extended family was in town and we were wondering what we could do (for cheap, many kids) and Evermore came up. I had never been and was interested in going. But, my sister who went the previous Christmas said, " There is nothing to do and you end up standing outside in the cold the whole time." So, I was outvoted. If I wouldve known they were gonna close I would have gone by myself, just to see it. Great video as always.

When we got to ghost hunting I said out loud ‘this is so sad’

I thought the hat was a fox as a reference to the owners being named Fox 😭

I love how the owner is asking us what she should do at every turn like she’s Dora the Explorer.

Kate is SUPER talented. That plush is incredible

Your comment about Amway was like you were reading my mind! lol. Also, "that man will beat you with a hammer" got me. The end portions of your Evermore videos are always great

Very Evermore that when I saw the ‘Hatch the Egg’ sign over Vander’s Keep I paused the video to read the text underneath it to learn what it was, only to realise that text was in runes

I've heard the word "Bruzzens" in two different videos now. It's in this one as an example of a creature and in the original video in the line "the two Bruzzens want us to dance for gold". What is a bruzzens?? Also, there are multiple references to the dragon puppet needing to be given a bath?? This story definitely isn't told in any of the videos, but I'm so curious now

I was thinking about how Conflict at the Ruins has Wenweaver talk about being Kirsten's "broken toy" and Maxwell has "It's time to play with the monster you've created." Evermore seems to have had a recurring attempt at meta-commentary but if that was the intent.... Undertale and Deltarune this is not.

The new owners definitely give off scammer vibes but I'm not really sure who they are intending to scam here by sinking a bunch of their own money into a defunct theme park.

I find the idea of Mermaids selling fish and chips quite disconcerting. How does a Mermaid ethically source fish fillets?

Pokemon retrospective would be awesome

I get jumpscared every time you mention your friends (I am also a Kirsten, and you pronounce your friend's name the same as I pronounce mine)

42:39 Jenny Nicholson Holds Space for Evermore

i need a billionaire to fund jenny making her own theme park one day

Well this video does sell me on doing the trip to unworldly. Luckily I'm only 30 min away but it looks cool

Okay idk if someone else commented this but it DOES seem like the Vanders Keep website IS still Ken’s because (as can be seen on his instagram) Ken does not know how to use capitalization correctly, and the copy on the Vanders Keep website also is not using capitalization correctly. Ross DOES know how to capitalize as exhibited by his instagram so it seems like your theory is correct.

thank you so much for making another amazing video. i love learning about evermore so much and your videos always teach me something new that i hadn't heard before. your work is so appreciated.

The fact there was a person translating everything the new owner said in Brazilian Portuguese in real time is an immediate red flag. So many people here in Brazil get scammed by people like this, it's crazy

Realm Town sounds like a terrible match-3 mobile game that’s entirely meant to extract money from iPad kids with access to their parents’ credit cards

It's pretty funny to me that building-wise the park was basically the theme park equivalent of a Unity store asset flip MMO you can buy on Steam for like five bucks. Actually, I guess this also applies to the gameplay.

I'm a furry and have severe Pokemon brainrot, and I really liked the Barbie preview we got a while back... all of these potential new videos sound great to me.

A delight as always. Oh, and your friends Ouannii plush is amazing, what a lovely thing to do.

I am so jealous of your Ouannii doll! It looks really well made. Thanks for the video! Evermore stuff is always so morbidly fascinating

I mean *of course* Jenny went on her birthday. :)

Dang, I've added so many random friends from Pleasant Grove hoping against hope to get a Pokegift from Evermore.

Jenny could you please tell us where you got your hat, because I bought one like that online for a Hello Kitty costume and it ended up being terrible quality so I’d love to get an upgrade.

I love the idea of a Pokemon retrospective. Not just of how the brand has changed, but the fan base as well. The psychology and behavior of niche internet/media-based communities is what Jenny covers best IMO!

Jenny at the end of the video: “I’ve been working on [videos]…what else am I forgetting?” Me: Barbie Video! Barbie video? Say, Barbie video 🥺” Jenny: “oh yeah, the Barbie video!” 🎉🥳🎉🥳🎉🥳🎉🥳🎉

incredible hat

I know this comes with having a platform but it makes me sad that that dude openly hates jenny. for all her critiques, she turned what would otherwise be a quiet, boring failure into a compelling story again and again

I’ve genuinely loved watching Bob At Evermore’s channel, I’m glad I found it! I hope he keeps making videos.

Justice for Tip Top

wait i’m literally gagging so bad at the kanye thing being real

Just finished rewatching the first 3 evermore videos sequentially so I’m prepared!