Buffy - Fool for Love 5x07 - Full Reaction

Loved your reaction. This episode is in my top 5 of the entire series. Certainly my favorite not written and directed by Joss. I think you misunderstood something about Spike and Dru, they were already together, even before he killed his first slayer.

Love your reaction! I always thought the sire stuff was kind of retconned because Spike was only supposed to last one episode, but I guess it can be finger-waggled away with “grandsire” haha. Season 5 is my favorite I think, although I love all the seasons in their own way. I rate season 4 a lot higher than most because it’s so funny and it’s the season where I first started watching. Season 2 has all the freshness and pathos and “innocence” lost (pun intended?). Season 6 is also a favorite for completely different reasons. It’s just such a good show with good characters almost any season makes sense as someone’s favorite (does anyone have season 1 as a favorite?).

There's a quote by Whedon about Spike/Angel. "Your sire can mean anybody in the line that made you. So, Drusilla is Spike's sire, but so is Angel in the sense that Angel made Drusilla and Drusilla made Spike. If we were being more literal we would call him a grandsire, but that term does not exist in the vampire world, so sire just means somebody that you are connected to because they came before you on the line. "

Quite literally, one of my favorite episodes of this show. Spike as a human is so endearing and makes you understand him so much. And the ending on the stoop. I can't help but tear up when you do. That's why I love your reactions. You have such deep empathy and believe me, it carries over to people like me watching. I can't wait for you to keep watching this season, it's by far my favorite one.

While I acknowledge this is a very good episode, I'm not among those who rate it among the top. Apart from the scare about Joyce, there just isn't much drama. It's all about Spike, his past, and his feelings for Buffy. It's interesting for sure, but unlike the previous episode this one doesn't make me _feel_ as much - again, apart from the Joyce scare of course. I have said this before, but I found Spike much more interesting to watch when he was just evil. But yes, it is a very well made episode.

Spike said "You were my Sire. My Yoda." I take it as he meant his mentor. Like Yoda was Skywalker's mentor.

This episode is the beginning of Spike’s character arc ,

This is my favorite episode of the entire series. There are other episodes that are "better", but this is my favorite. The final scene where they are sitting together like two old warriors. Spike in reality and Buffy just for a Slayer. Those two sitting on the porch could be the main image for the entire show. Spike, when he was talking to Buffy about how Slayers die, mentioned three ways. First, Slayers are in deep if they don't have a weapon. The first Slayer dropped her stake and dropped her life. Second is pure RNG. Keep fighting long enough, eventually something is going to get you. Third was the darkest. Eventually Slayers get to the point where they've had enough. When Buffy says, "Say it's true. Say I do want to." I don't think she was talking about making out with vampires. I think it was about that third way. Spike would never be the vampire that takes her out. But Spike was trying to get a physical relationship going, and that is how he took her rejection. Spike says that inevitably her death wish will come to the fore. S-"The second that happens, I'll slip in, have myself a real good day." Later, after his awkward attempt to hit on her he says "Come on. I can feel it Slayer. You know you want to dance." Spike is saying he can feel her desire for him. But then Buffy says "Say it's true." That she has desire for him? Or is she saying she has a desire for the dance. A death wish. "Say I do want to." But Spike also said it's her family and friends who tie her here. Keeping it at bay. So is it in her, kept at bay by her family and friends? We already know the answer to this, it's yes. In The Wish we see Buffy without her support system and she has death-wishyness all over her. B-"The world is what it is. We fight, we die. Wishing doesn't change that." And she turns down help to fight the Master. B-"There's only one thing I'm good at." G-"At least let's muster some force." B-"I don't play well with others." And eventually he kills her. So I think it is there, and Buffy is telling Spike he would never be the vamp who takes her down.

A phenomenal episode. One of my favorites from the whole series. I love any Spike-centric episode, but I especially love this one because we get a glimpse into Spike's background and how he killed the two slayers. I also really love the scenes with Spike, Angel, Darla, and Drusilla. They just have so much chemistry together and are fun to watch. In season 2, Spike mentioned that Angel was his sire. I think that's because at that time they hadn't fully fleshed out a backstory for Spike yet but wanted him to be related to Angel somehow. They ended up changing that down the line, as you can see here. But as others have pointed out, it still works because the term 'sire' can also be used in a grandfather/grandmother sense. Angel sired Drusilla who then sired Spike, so Angel is basically his grandsire. lol I think the reason Spike went after the slayers to begin with is to impress but also compete with Angel. We all know how evil Angelus is, and I think Spike was just trying to keep up with or even one-up him in a way. Of course Angel was not amused with his antics at all. When this episode first showed William (Spike) in the flashback as a human and you thought it was a watcher because you didn't recognize him was too funny. Then your realization and reaction when you finally realized was hilarious. I loved it. The fact that both Cecily and Buffy used the same "You're beneath me" line to Spike makes me feel so bad for him. Even present day vampire Spike started to cry over that. We know he's done a lot of bad things as a vampire, but still your heart breaks for him in that moment. The ending scene is also really great when Spike realizes Buffy is upset and he tries to comfort her.

This episode is easily in most everyone's top 10 list of the entire series (or should be). Spike had two strokes of luck while fighting slayers. The explosion distracting the Chinese slayer and the blackout on the subway car while fighting Nicki in New York. Did I detect a look of non-recognition at the mention of Cheetos, a crispy puffy cheese snack here in the US that is rumored to be able to survive an apocalypse (along with Twinkies and cockroaches)? Hence Buffy's wish to have a similar longevity.

I love all the Spike stuff. The cuts back and forth with that last fight from the past to the present were pure art to me. The only thing I don't like in this episode is how Dawn is actually coming through for Buffy and Buffy is still insulting her and giving her a hard time.

Spike being the one to comfort Buffy makes total sense IMO mainly because she doesn’t care about him or his opinion of her, so it’s easier for her to be vulnerable in front him, the way she feels she can’t be with her loved ones. Also how’s the rewatch going?

The Spike stuff this episode is excellent, but what I love most about this episode is how it puts into perspective that Buffy is risking her life every night. She may be the best fighter in the world, but all it takes is one slip up and she is as good as dead. While Drusilla is the one that sired Spike, Angel is also technically Spike's sire because Angel sired Drusilla and a vampire's sire is also a sire to every vampire sired by that vampire.

my favourite episode...well, my top 3 change around a lot but this is in that top 3 :) and yes, spike got 2 "souvenirs" from both slayers he killed...the scar on his eyebrow from the first, and the coat from the 2nd. James' performance always blows me away when he goes with such rage to kill buffy and his face turns so soft when he sees her upset....amazing

Yeah... Season 5 is some of the best television ever made in my book.