Buffy The Vampire Slayer - S07x21|♡Uncut Reaction &Review♡

Fandoms and shipping are toxic.

Frustrating that they felt they needed Buffy to kiss Angel for showing up last minute when Spike has been there in her life giving to her. Angel and Buffy love the idea of each other and their star-crossed love. Spike loved Buffy to me.

SoFie always Xander,Willow,Giles and the others trust in Buffy it’s just their fear that took over in last episode me I watch the entire series a thousand times for when I was little and after for say that and make a fact

I loved the kiss and Angel's return. IMO it makes total sense, fanservice or not. That love is eternal and you can't never really let go of it. When the world is ending, in that moment, after they haven't seen each other in forever, this kiss is not only expected but required :D Nobody knows these characters better than Whedon and he did a marvelous job with their relationship imo. "I will remember you" is still my favorite "buffy episode" across both shows.

Joss Whedon actually confirmed that the Bangel kiss was fanservice added there just to please the bangel fans, because they were still a pretty loud group when the series was airing. The whole thing being fanservive makes it even worse for me. I wish they would have just hugged. The kiss didn't make a lot of sense at this point anymore, and IMO makes Buffy look kinda bad.

Given Spike's past actions where he tried to control Buffy, tried to override her consent, ignore her will and desires, I think it's really important that if Spike actually loved Buffy now, it has to be a love situated in his understanding of how wrong that was, how poisonous and harmful his sense of ownership, entitlement and control was, to them both. Buffy allowing herself this little glorious moment with Angel was honouring her feelings and her desires in that time and place. She also knows that Spike, if he actually does love her, would understand and respect that (and deal with any feelings of jealousy himself and not make it her problem). It makes me laugh a bit that Whedon thought this was Bangel fan service, I wonder if someone who had more if a grasp on the dynamics pushed for it? The function of Buffy acting on her desires and kissing Angel is vital. The only way the writers could allow this intimacy with Spike is by showing it's on Buffy's terms, and that she's not internalised his (past) sense of control over her and entitlement to her. We're so conditioned to the male perspective as a culture, that even with all that context, there's an instinct to feel like Buffy somehow betrayed Spike here. Even though in the next scene that same sentiment is what the First Evil whispers into Spike's ear when it says 'That bitch'. If Whedon really didn't understand the importance of all of that... Well that makes sense, given what we know about him.

Sorry, but as much as I LOVE spuffy, bangel will always be my otp. Sarah M. Gellar herself said that the only one that buffy loved in her life is Angel.

Loved the reaction SoFie…let’s do this as I am eager to see how the finale episode lands with you 🙂👍

I try to see it in a more understandable light every time I rewatch. "Oh technically she's not with Spike. Regardless of what happened the night before it makes sense that-" but they really did stain the significance of the last night Buffy/Spike had spent together, Buffy telling him she was there with him on the best night of his life etc. for something that Joss Whedon literally admitted was fan service to give Bangels a little something something. If Spike had some ensouled Angel-adjacent love interest and he immediately made out with them after what happened just recently with Spuffy, I would also be like "wtf is wrong with him for doing this right now?" lol. Having the right to kiss someone else (which she absolutely does have that right, to be clear) is only one component of if it settles right as a viewer especially after 7x20. I've heard the take that this moment and acceptance of it is necessary after Spike's actions in season 6 like the Buffyverse's soul lore specifically only exists for Angel (which is not a new double standard at all), but if ensouled Spike was in some way to be held to task for that, a relationship with Buffy after the fact would not even be feasible. She forgives him specifically because of the understanding that the demon, not the man, was steering the wheel at his worst. Season 6 Spuffy is not in any way in play by the time we get here; not for Buffy and hopefully not for Spike though I doubt he'll ever stop feeling terrible for what he was (which he typically only lets Buffy in on). With a soul, there is no other major love interest Buffy has who fully embraced her power, leadership and freedom quite to the levels Spike has, nor gained such clarity about everything after the fact of the soul. But *having* the freedom to make out with someone else so soon after 7x20 doesn't in itself make it not messed up from the POV of many fans following along, and it's an understandable "wtf?" in my opinion. But characters, like real people, make decisions everyone doesn't agree with, and part of watching a TV show is interpretating their personal choices through one's own compass with all the information available. The immediate Bangel kissy coziness here would have tracked for me even a little earlier in the season whether I liked it or not, but not at all where it was placed. Anyway, I know that whole interaction is shoehorned pandering stuff because if I fast forward through it and put it out of mind, nothing else feels different or like I'm missing a piece of story. The finale was a doozy so I look forward to seeing your take on everything!

I'm so glad Sofie didn't catch the "Guest Starring David Boreanaz" credit at the beginning of the episode. Made for a much better reaction that way. My only big complaint about BTVS is how they ruined so many surprises by putting their names in the opening credits like that.

I’m not ready. 😭😭

It is completely possible to still love your high school sweetheart, and love the person you are involved with as an adult.