Buffy The Vampire Slayer - S06x09|♡Uncut Reaction &Review ♡
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You had thought maybe Willow would get better with the magic since that was the reason Tara left but the nature of addiction would indicate the opposite reaction – which is what actually happened, at least initially – an increased reliance on the addiction after its has been challenged. Buffy and Spike “brought the building down” – “I’ve heard of destructive relationships”… LOL. I agree about Spike’s psychological toxic leverage when he says that Buffy came back wrong but it is not in order to hurt her but to tempt her to come over to the darkness to be with him. He is recruiting her as a lover and an ally. As you say, the show knows what it’s doing in not romanticizing Buffy and Spike’s toxic relationship (at this point, equally toxic on both sides – though that changes). On the Trio: when Buffy calls them “lame”, you say “it’s very lame”. I’m uncertain, at this point, whether you mean it is from the perspective of the writing of them into the script. They are meant to be so (until they’re not – in terms of the damage inflicted). When Buffy and Xander and Anya all agree they’re lame, it’s the same thing as the show recognizing that Spike and Buffy’s relationship is toxic, thus it’s time for us to prick up our ears to see what’s going on. The Trio is comedy (until it’s not – and, still, at least two of them remain comic) to balance the real darkness of the season. It is said that the big bad was Buffy’s depression but that’s not quite right. Buffy’s depression is only part of it. The consequence of the magic that raised Buffy from the dead was the Big Bad, her depression include, Willow’s arc included. They took a whole season (and really into the last season) to work that out. If they hadn’t, then raising Buffy from the dead would have been a convenience to the plot unworthy of this show. The Trio is actually a deconstruction of the very idea of the Big Bad. As they are described in a later episode, they are “three pathetic little men”. They help toward painting the darkest and, at times, funniest season of BtVS. And they offer some real challenges, especially to Buffy’s depression.
When the show moved from the WB to UPN it aired in a 9:00 time slot plus UPN wanted a more young adult rather than teen drama show and even though UPN was a “network“ it still aired on local affiliate stations meaning they could get away with a little more
This episode, and in general Buffy and Spike's relationship mid season six takes me back to a line spike said in 5x07 "Fool for Love" about all Buffy and he have ever done has been dancing. In his mind, the violence and abuse he and Buffy are inflicting on each other are an extension of what in his mind is his "dance" with Buffy. And her constantly sending him mixed signal had made it "okay" in his mind to treat her this way.
Lol I could write an essay on how finding Spuffy/the end of this episode appealing was not something that was great for me at 15. Whew.
I had the same reaction. It’s so unhealthy and toxic but so very, VERY hot.
Spuffy`s sex is a best sex in my life xD
If Buffy and Spike do it two more times they will have had sex more times than Bangel ever has. If they do it one more time they will have done it more times than Buffy remembers doing Bangel sex. Follow me for more Spuffy math at-
lol 😂
It's official. Buffy and Spike make love like two tyrannosaurus rexes. On the bright side, at least Buffy doesn't have to worry about Spike losing his soul....because he already doesn't have a soul....
Nor does she have to worry about breaking him, like she probably had to with Riley, poor girl lol
I was waiting on your reaction to this episode since season 5 cause I know you never thought spike had a chance with buffy. Surprise .Spike has something special about him just like angel . Buffy couldn't admit it to herself . Spike knew before she did
Well, buffy had to die and being ripped out of heaven for her to actually act on whatever feelings she had for spike😂😂 I honestly believe she already had feelings for him that she obviously denied, just think about how many times she spared him, how many times she relied on him to protect her family, or how upset she was when she learnt he was in love with her, but none of it matters because she would have never act on them, so yes, spike never had a chance before, and he knew that, he says as much to Riley.
I don’t have the link, but there is a clip on YouTube that features a deleted scene which shows Buffy riding Spike for an extended period of time.
Yeh there are a whole bunch of dailies on YouTube from this episode, which are even hotter because you can hear them moaning with no music in the background😂😂😂 I think I read an interview where joss said he was forced to add music because Sarah and James were being so extra😂
Re Spike going to kill the girl in the alley. For me, that scene is all about Buffy and what she's said to him/what she said he is. She's clearly the reason/his motivation, as he rambles about her and what she said to him the whole time. So I don't take it as, "Spike thinks he can hurt people again and his first decision is to go do that." It's much less about his instincts and impulses (note him having to psych himself up to do it), and is totally about his identity crisis. Spurred by Buffy treating him with personhood one moment, then as a thing/nothing the next. Now, a typical soul-having person would have taken Buffy's words and found a non-homocidal expression for their crisis. But he's a vampire without a soul and killing humans and doing evil is at the root of his nature, and ergo his identity.
It always makes me laugh the way he’s going to kill that woman and treats it like a therapy session, and spends 20 min talking to himself🤦♀️
One small pet peeve I have with this episode is when the nerd herd refer to that Boba Fett figurine as 'mint condition'. It doesn't matter that it's on a nice display stand, nor what condition its actually in, it's been removed from its box therefore it's no longer in mint condition. The correct description would've been 'near mint'; nerds forgot how to fully nerd there for a sec.
I'm glad somebody else has this pet peeve, and it's not just me.
One thing I love about this season is just how messy and real everything is. Willow's addiction isn't just magically (no pun intended) fixed, because she has some giant epiphany after her girlfriend leaves her, Buffy's depression isn't just magically fixed through the power of love (or in the case, the power of Spike's penis). Characters alternate between selfish and selfless acts; characters mess up and keep messing up, with no easy fixes presented, or hinted, at the end of the episode. We're not just watching a bunch of Mary Sue and Gary Stu characters: the heroine of the show doesn't always act like a stereotypical heroine, the big bad evil vampire isn't totally redeemed or unredeemed, the adorable shy computer nerd doesn't just get stuck in that role as a character, nor does she miraculously find inner love and acceptance all because the character has friends. The characters feel like real people, and I am hear for it.
I really love this comment!! That’s one of the things that makes the show so great, it’s so layered and feels real and authentic despite the supernatural elements of it, and to this day still inspires so many discussions because of its controversial topics.
Lol when Warren says about the security guard "what is he gonna say ? Two guys and a mime took me out with their freeze ray?", the french subtitles added a little something that makes me laugh every time : "un mime *en justaucorps*" 😄
"Her grown woman business" YES lol, love that phrasing. Their sex is actually cut short. Buffy rides Spike for another minute or so after they fall through the floor. That part is on YouTube.
RUNS to YouTube. 🏃🏾♀️
Awesome reaction and perception of everything going on! A toxic dynamic that is *not* being romanticized is the only toxic relationship I feel good about shipping. Cause it's so clearly so part of a journey. I'm not surprised by Spike this episode, he's literally mimicking/mirroring Buffy's behavior and treatment of him. She throws the fist punch verbally and physical every single time (not to mention every kiss and sex), and he responds with the same. Not to mention, he's been having to take her punches for years now without being able to fight back, and for super beings like them, it's all a sort of foreplay. I want to point out how utterly psychologically abusive it is (domestic abuse 101) to treat someone with personhood one minute, then beat them down as a "disgusting thing" the next, while using them. People never view Spikes reactions and behaviors from the lens of someone being subjected to that by someone else, and it's important to.
Yes! So many people out there going hard on Spike (with good reasons) but completely brushing off the fact that Buffy is 100% being abusive to him for years and using him and his love for her to her advantage as soon as she needs him/ wants to feel better about herself. I love Buffy (the show and the character) and understand how wrong and toxic this relationship is and that Spike is literally evil and soulless but I think it's too easy to just go "Spike is evil, Buffy is good, he's the toxic aggressor". She is also abusive on the regular both physically and emotionally.
Great reaction, did not disappoint at all. I've always thought that the coming back slightly less human thing was connected to the spell in Bargaining not being totally finished. If you recall the urn gets smashed and the gang think it has failed so I've always assumed that meant that like 95% of Buffy was back.
Interesting!!
I’VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!!! and didn’t disappoint!! Girlllll, we’re finally here😭😭 first of all, hate the willow/Amy stuff this episode, it makes the episode kinda meh for me, but everything else is great, I love the comedic timing in this one, like when buffy is trying to work out what time is it in england and she goes “it’s last nigh there, maybe it’s tomorrow” pleaseeeee😭😭 dawn and Tara scenes are so cute and adorable, and finally Spuffy!!! I know exactly how you feel, 😂 it’s okay to be conflicted, THE CHEMISTRY!!!!🔥🔥 and yes, I still can’t believe that last scene is CANON!! THEY FUCKED A HOUSE DOWN!!!!!! I completely agree with you, It’s very bold to explore such a destructive relationship, and unlike other shows, it doesn’t romanticize it. Buffy was so ahead of its time!!! They’re definitely wrong for each other, and the show acknowledges that, they way they were being so cruel to each other the whole episode, but somehow it feels right too, I still want them together. And I really enjoyed seeing them fighting again!! Clearly I have problems😂😂 As for Spike.. I think you just kinda have to accept that this is who is, I love his character because how incredibly layered and beautifully complex he is, but I never forget he’s a monster, and even though he’s proved that he can be good, he can at any time that easily revert to his bad self, so whenever he does something shady he can’t disappoint me. The chip and his love for buffy may have forced him to change or made him believe that he has, but at the end of the day he doesn’t have a soul, meaning he lacks a conscience and moral judgment, he can feel love and affection, in fact he loves so much it consumes him, but he can’t feel guilt or shame or pride. He’s not capable of such human emotions, he’s basically a walking id. But his change, can’t be considered real change or redemption arc yet, because of the reasons of the change, he hasn’t just suddenly decided that he wants to be good, but the chip has forced him to fight on buffy’s side because he’s addicted to violence, and also because he developed feelings, so he still has selfish motives for doing it. In any other show, I would hate the trope “bad boy changes and redeems himself for the good girl” because it’s not womens job to change men. But here it just works for me, because there is no other reason for spike to even attempt to change, nothing else could ever possibly motivate him, if not his selfish motives, because he’s evil, he can’t just become good out of nowhere, especially not for himself, because why the fuck would a soulless vampire want to be good and go against his own nature. But also he kind of just follows buffy’s lead, he was not expecting the sex to happen, the expression on his face says it all, he was utterly astounded, buffy was the initiator, he just responded, she hits him first he hits her back, she fights him he fights her back, she kisses him and kisses her back, and she was the one unzipping his pants, so when called him “an evil disgusting thing”, he decided to go along with it and prove her right. It’s very interesting because he too, like buffy, has lost his identity (the chip prevents him from being the monster he is), he doesn’t fit in the demons world anymore, but he still can’t be a man, and he lets buffy define him, when she’s soft and friendly to him he’s soft as well, and when she beats him up, he goes back to being nasty. She has been up until this point his moral compass, but In this episode she calls him an evil thing, so of course he regresses. Buffy and spike are so interesting together because they’re basically the same person, they mirror each other, they’re each other shadow self. Buffy finally shagging spike, I think this thought has been on her mind for a while now, but to actually doing it, it was only after spike said to her she came back wrong, and it was somehow liberating for her, because as you pointed out as well, she has felt this way since she came back, and now that she believes that and she thinks she’s not the old buffy anymore she doesn’t have to hold herself back anymore, she can do what she wants and what she wasn’t allowing herself to do and feel because of how wrong it is.
I totally agree with most of this, particularly the mixed emotions of the Spuffy relationship but I don't think you're right that Spike "can’t feel guilt or shame or pride" he clearly felt both guilt and shame after he failed to reach Dawn and Buffy died in last season's final and he certainly felt pride when he killed his first slayer and rubbed it in Angel's face. It seems to me that vampires in this world are capable of experiencing every emotion that a humane is, just typically in a very selfish way.
Well, this reaction did not let me down😄🥳 "The way he's looking at her, he's like, "I can't believe I'm fucking inside her right now" Like, yup 💀🥵 I love your ability to acknowledge how toxic it is while still enjoying it. Because, yep, it's not mutually exclusive.
Once again the best reaction I’ve seen for yet another iconic episode!
Sofie !!!!! Grown woman business indeed! <3 ! lol
I like to think Buffy didn't come back less human or wrong. I like to think she came back with more than what she was...like blessed.
I never thought about it, but that’s definitely possible, I mean.. she came back from heaven, she’s literally a fallen angel!!
Tara is just the best. <3
"How is this fucking allowed?" That's what happens when you start a brand new network without first setting up a Standards & Practices (censors) department, lol. This reaction is golden!!!
This reaction is fucking priceless. I was so looking forward to see how you would look upon this episode. And you didn't disappoint 😂
Yes. It's that look on Spike's face when he realized it was really happening.... *fans self*
*Bernie Sanders voice* I am once asking for someone to check on Sophie and make sure she's ok.
So, uh...new network, yeah?
Priceless reaction 🤣🤣🤣
Your reaction at the end. Yeah Buffy and Spike were hard smashing on TV. 😂😂😂
I dunno, I was watching, they seemed to smash everywhere but on TV.
