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February 20, 2024

808 - Pussy in Bardo feat. Ed Zitron (2/19/24)

Friend of the show & tech journalist Ed Zitron stops by to check in on the state of the internet. Have they cracked AI video yet? Does the VisionPro herald an en-goggled future? Just how stupid is Elon Musk, actually? We explore the end of the era of techno optimism and as our most advanced internet tech seems to aid less and abuse more.

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S · March 5, 2024

I worked with generative ai models at my last job. I'm not a crazy supportive of it, it has limitations, tech-bros are blowing it up out of proportions and the monetary/environmental cost is ridiculous. I really think the AI craze is bonkers. But the whole "database" part was pretty reductive and underplays the few aspects that are cool about it. They're called vector stores which maps things onto an essentially a 3d graph and builds associations. So some neat applications is say like, you have a library, you feed the database the titles, publication date, and the back of the book synopsis. Then the vector store will build association trees for you, and we can leverage it by say making a chatbot that can give you book recommendations based on a criteria. I want to read non-tolkein fantasy books written in the last 10 years. Or I want to read sci-fi novels written in the 1700s. Shit like that is pretty neat. There are other applications of generative ai models that are genuinely neat like the hugging face model whisper which is just a really neat audio transcriber. It hallucinates, but if you get it tuned right it is genuinely pretty cool how well it preforms. Is there some bite to the AI craze, yes, but is it overhyped, yes. Can it be creative, hell fucking no. Should it take people's jobs, hell fucking no.

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WingsOfJupiter · February 26, 2024

Just shows how out of touch these guys are. They seem dumbfounded by what Elon is doing. Musk has said his goal is to help free speech, not for any financial goals.

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Connor Sullivan · February 27, 2024

🤣🤣 well if elmo said it, it must be true 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Will · February 26, 2024

Honestly ready for the internet to be over. If we went back to 1994 levels of technology…where computers are just another useful tool rather than the very core of life, culture, entertainment and politics…I think I’d be happy.

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Rxk Lenderman · February 24, 2024

Is Ed the first guy to do Chapo and Trashfuture guest spots within a week?

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Natalie · February 25, 2024

and QAA! Got the notification earlier and was like hey, that guy!

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Max · February 24, 2024

I think AI is the future of Marvel, the core audience of Marvel and shitty AI tech bros are the same people. And they just want more slop as long as it their favourite characters doing cool stuff.

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Jason Matthews · February 24, 2024

It's almost as though there's a proto-transhumanist agenda embedded in all this superhero stuff.

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Nolan · February 23, 2024

Umm wowwwwww I could totally be an NFL GM. You’re not even American you don’t know the NFL salary doesn’t mean shit.

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Blingo Starr · February 23, 2024

Great guest but it really feels the boys have been phoning it in for months now.

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Sam D · February 23, 2024

Not gonna lie, I fell for AI when I first heard about its big debut. But it took me one 20 minute session of using Chat GPT to realise it's a load of shit. Same with the image AI, as you all said it's regurgitation.

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Vincent W Troia · February 23, 2024

you mean “Generative AI”, because the concept has been around for a long time. Jonathan Searl’s Chinese room experiment was arguing against its salience as early as the 80’s. whole techno-twit universe of this none sense for like 50 years now. lol.

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Do Golems Dream of Ceramic Sheep · February 23, 2024

"Pussy in Bardo", isn't that a chapter in "The Years of Rice and Salt"?

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Blingo Starr · February 23, 2024

Nah it’s the season 2 finale of the sopranos

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Eoin O'Donnell · February 23, 2024

Matt has a really sharp analysis in the last Hell of Presidents episode about Trump that I think v neatly applies to Musk as well. Paraphrasing; "Trump is a tumour made out of America. Too big to fail because too many people can use his name to push money around. Raised without any sense of civic responsibility. Completely empty inside, motivated only by lack of affection from cold & distant parents [Errol Emerald Mine Musk]. Whole value system therefore based around a narcissistic urge to watch himself, through media, be famous." A huge key to Musk's brain is that he wants to save the world, only if he, Musk, can save it. This makes sense of his natalist stuff; he sees a flat statistic about birthrate decline and decides he can solve it by personally having as many children as possible, literally all of them branded in his own name. This is also a root of his transphobia; Grimes suggested the only reason for it is that trans people cant have kids, & therefore Musks own trans daughter cant have kids and continue the "Musk name" in a bizarrely feudal conception of a person's worth. There's an irony in that he has all these children only to refuse to raise them properly & ensure they grow up emotionally neglected and stunted like he did-only hope they dont turn out as belligerently psychopathic as Elon did. we do not need 10 more of this guy in the world

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helvetica.hottie · February 26, 2024

See, I thought I was alone in seeing Trump and Musk as strange bedfellow equals. Their need for attention without being remotely attractive other than their shared repulsive natures and tendencies to glom onto anything they think will get them the attention they so desperately crave. They are both avatars of evey horrific and vacuous aspect of society. Thanks for putting that out there and validating my own thoughts on it.

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Jonathan G · February 23, 2024

I was not expecting this guy to be kind of handsome

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Reece Coren · February 23, 2024

such a great episode! love ed!!!! missed matt on this one 😢💗 hope him amber and their baby are doing well!!!

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William Beamish · February 22, 2024

/~-~-~-~-~my appreciation in comments~-~-~-~-~\

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Holden 'Snorkel Morsel Holster' Munster · February 22, 2024

Episode title kills

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Wisselbanken · February 22, 2024

see all you AI guys at the next big thing hedge funds are selling you

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Mike Mariano · February 22, 2024

Far too many of the commenters here would not survive the Butlerian Jihad.

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Jessica Rios · February 22, 2024

The only thing I like better about the new Twitter is that I can say whatever I want now. Sometimes that’s really nice. Before with old Twitter I got banned so many times for dumb shit like “agism.” But other than that? New Twitter sucks.

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coolin · February 22, 2024

Everything they referenced in regard to AI is admittedly funny and absurd, but the take that this won’t go anywhere is rly rly wrong imo. Tons of my ads online now are ai generated - it’s not like that is going to stop. Stock footage will all be ai-generated soon and at that point our reality will have shifted (arguably already has) - people already have a difficult time determining what is real online.

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SoldierBlue · February 23, 2024

They are pointing at the marketing and saying it’s bullshit, which is well, yeah, we know, it always is

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Jordan Ramage · February 22, 2024

Been too long since you all had EZ on

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Cesar C · February 21, 2024

Bro talks like he’s at a table read

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Jack · February 21, 2024

AI sucks but ML is usually good. I studied stats/ML, do it for work now - I’ve followed the field closely for years and there’s always been a tendency for Grindset types to glom onto it and project their own stupid ideas on something they usually don’t understand at all. People use the terms AI and ML like they refer to something specific but really they don’t. They’re just blanket terms for an interdisciplinary field related to data modeling and automated decision making. Lately, AI has referred mostly to the latest gen of generative NN models. AI kinda refers to models that do “people stuff”. This wave started by OpenAI is offensive to the human creative spirit. It paints a future where AI would displace humans with close-enough output, further concentrating capital at the top while our culture stagnates and dies. But “AI” can also follow a philosophy of supporting and enhancing individuals. Here the human is the executive and AI is their cabinet. Humans could be liberated from the toil and become directors instead of work horses. This is kind of the philosophy AI/ML followed for decades as it worked in the background to enhance our daily lives with services like Maps, Translate, caption transcription, medical imaging, visual upscaling, etc. It’s just this turn to putting “AI” front and center and imbuing it with this sort of ideology that says jump on or get left behind that is pigeonholing what AI can be in people’s minds. OpenAI were the first to capitalize on a recent research breakthrough and they got to set the tone for a bit but I think their conception of AI for AIs sake will lose steam once some of the novelty wears off

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Last Years Man · February 22, 2024

Agree and disagree. This is sort of what I was trying to get at further up thread. Machine learning is not perfect, but it at least has a use. I genuinely believe LLMS, in the sense of generative ai, are completely useless. However, even machine learning, in my experience, is far overvalued at this point and the consequences of turning humans into "directors instead of work horses" haven't been fully interrogated.

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Jaime Christley · February 21, 2024

If I knew a bunch of stuff about AI, I would lie and say I didn’t

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United Eric Emirates · February 21, 2024

Friend of mine spent ‘all night’ doing Ketamine w Musk at a mutual friend’s bday party last year. I mean.. want to talk about a drug not being cool anymore?

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Natalie · February 21, 2024

Trueanon tip line is waiting

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Natalie · February 21, 2024

I feel like "AI" is in the first stages of becoming something that will go on to have enormous impact on our daily lives. It's funny when it looks bad and we're clearly already hitting a ceiling with its development, but it's interesting that it in 200 years we'll look back on this time as the start of whatever it will develop into. Just sucks the people at the forefront are some of the worst people in the world and it's extremely toxic and expensive lol

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Natalie · February 21, 2024

I need more episodes based in mocking elon because this was so entertaining, I didn't even know about the whole civil action board rearranging stuff whew

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Henhound · February 21, 2024

Chapo consistently has terrible tech takes. Almost as bad as techbro tech takes.

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William Beamish · February 22, 2024

incorrect

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Ardy Rezv · February 21, 2024

I know for some reason in these circles of the left Julian Assange is considered bad, but I hope you guys can cover what our government is doing to him once he gets extradited

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Ardy Rezv · February 21, 2024

Elon sucks and has sucked for over a decade but as crappy as Twitter is now it’s the only social media platform that is spreading the message of the horrors in Gaza

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Robbie H. · February 21, 2024

The first two diablos where great games, but it's also possible Elon has just dropped like 1.2 million dollars to level up

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Ty G. · February 21, 2024

LLM's aren't AI, and a lot of it is overblown techbro bullshit, especially in regards to its supposed "sentience," but there have been real advances and it will affect people's livelihood's- would've been interested in hearing that convo and not some dude who just wants to put his head in the sand. Everything Musk does is definitely a grift lol, but a lot of the openAI stuff is fairly legit, it's not going to wholesale replace creative jobs, but it will absolutely be used as a pretense to slash jobs. Videographers and visual artists especially are going to be hit pretty hard by it, especially if no legislation is put in place to regulate the sources of data that LLM's pull from, to think otherwise is just delusional, the tech is basically at that point already.

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Last Years Man · February 21, 2024

I'm a translator so my livelihood is directly affected by LLMs. However, I don't necessarily agree. After the initial shock of chatgpt wore off, the inherent limitations of LLMs have become starkly clear and companies who try to rely on them are getting and will get burned. They are literally capable of producing thousands of words, all assembled in grammatical order, and saying absolutely nothing. ADvances will make them more efficient at doing so and possibly less error prone, but the fundamental fact that what they produce is not actually content and that they have no genuine utility will never change. I do think we are going to start to see big companies, especially in the entertainment industry, adopt the LLM model more and more, but all that is going to do is further widen the gap between institutions of all kinds (political, cultural, financial) and their audience. The more LLMs become prevalent, the more people will begin to congregate in divergent like-minded communities that aren't reflected on the glossy surface. That will have its good and bad effects, but it is what it is. We're in a bifurcated world where people's internal lives are completely disconnected from most of what they see outside and in the media. So yes, livelihoods will be affected, but people will adjust and in ways that become increasingly harder to parse or discern.

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Jessica S · February 21, 2024

Correct me if I’m wrong (and I know I won’t be let down, lol), but I think Musk is into that whole subset of insufferable Silicon Valley idiots (often times also are effective altruists) that believe it is up to the enlightened and gifted to populate the earth to ensure that there are enough smart people to save humanity from itself. True Anon did a few episodes around the demise of Sam Bankman Fraud about effective altruism and then tangentially about spawning as many superior humans as possible for a better future. Never mind that these are the same fuck ups that suck up insane amounts of resources just to run their servers for shit like AI and, as mentioned here, apparently mostly hovering data to hock “targeted advertising” that has little to no evidence of it working at all. But oh the money they make selling potential! But I digress. Musk is for sure not quite passing as human, but I think there is a vein of neo eugenics, minus the genocide in each attempt breeding. I guess that’s the inhuman aspect, sex with a greater purpose and not for emotional connection or a blissfully carnal experience.

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Jimmy McMillan · February 21, 2024

Musk is really betting on nature over nurture when it comes to his parenting. I guess he figures genes are the only thing that matters since his dad was a piece of shit and he turned out perfect (in his eyes). People like Musk talk about declining birth rates but at the same time worry about illegal immigrants and a population bomb in Africa. The racism couldn't be more thinly valed

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MKatieUltra · February 21, 2024

Just in time for ChapGPT going off the rails and speaking Spanglish

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Daniel Martínez González · February 22, 2024

That's Pitbull's wet dream. He could do 3 new album releases at once. Also Pitbull at Folsom Prison, The Pitbull Hendrix Experience, Hotel Pitbull and much more. So cool.

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Paul F. Holzfäller · February 21, 2024

Elon needs to keep up that butch lesbian grandma vibe he had going at the DealBook Summit. It’s just the greatest thing.

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Alez · February 21, 2024

Fucking wild to unironically praise MUSE and slag off Hendrix in the same sentence. This guy needs to never talk about art.

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Jay-Z Pants · February 21, 2024

30 Seconds to Mars is better than Prince

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wolfgang · February 21, 2024

Silicon valley is complete trash.

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chance · February 21, 2024

I think we can all agree. AI is pretty gay!

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I am become reply guy · February 21, 2024

Still not as bad as Girl God 👍

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chronye · February 21, 2024

Clean Shirt likes the Muse

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Jimmy McMillan · February 21, 2024

It's getting embarrassing how desperate the investor class is to find the next frontier. Hipeing up crypto currency and board apes really hurt their credibility

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Dick Wolf · February 21, 2024

Lot of “see more” in the comments today.

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Dick Wolf · February 21, 2024

See more tits in bio

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Max Seppo · February 21, 2024

This guy doesn't seemed very informed.

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MKatieUltra · February 21, 2024

Heavy ketamine use kills your bladder and kidneys, can’t wait for the the fanboys to tweet “take my kidneys please sir! It would be an honor!”

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Do Golems Dream of Ceramic Sheep · February 21, 2024

They have to sacrifice about 1K Fanboys a day to Musk's Golden Throne/Dialysis Machine, lest Elon falter in his battle against the Ruinous Powers

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Stellar manatee · February 21, 2024

If this was 80s, chapo would be printing a newsletter dunking on the "so called home computer"

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wolfgang · February 21, 2024

are you aware how much trash comes out of SV. it’s almost all garbage. even spotify can’t manage a profit. it’s not computes, it’s the shit business autistic computer guys think we need or want.

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MKatieUltra · February 21, 2024

The Alice Deejay at the end 😆 Ed’s great! Of the 7 or so Substacks I subscribe to, his is the one I actually read s o m e t i m e s

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Ashley Naftule · February 21, 2024

That riff at the end about Musk being so rich he can’t remember what it’s like to be human anymore is something William Gibson talks about in Neuromancer. There’s a scene where one of the characters proposes that the ultra-wealthy are a separate species from the rest of the humanity, because once you’ve reached a point where you no longer have to THINK about basic survival, where threats like starvation and homelessness can no longer touch you, you can’t relate to or understand people who still have to worry about them.

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SparkSolidarity · February 21, 2024

So many of the listeners of this podcast are so unbearable. This was fire content. Anyone who doesn’t think so should be sent to a gulag for hard labour. Eat your slop and shut up.

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Jimmy McMillan · February 21, 2024

You can always opt out of reading the comments. I think most listeners don't comment

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Bryan Jennings · February 21, 2024

I like, and do not think it's an accident how Felix's chatbot impression is very like his Buttigieg impression. He's very capably capturing both "speaking" styles faithfully.

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tanmantincan · February 20, 2024

This guy is awesome and anyone else who thinks otherwise is wrong

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TugNuggins · February 20, 2024

Hell ya dude. This guy is great. Always go back and listen to the old ep he was on.

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Kevin Spicer · February 20, 2024

We all have a pussy in our bio (moms)....if I was on the x board I would pitch the idea that every user upload a picture of their moms pussy.

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will michel · February 21, 2024

weird man

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Besand · February 20, 2024

MY PUSSY IN BIO

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Besand · February 21, 2024

░P░U░S░S░Y░ ░I░N░ ░B░I░O░

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J Fitz · February 20, 2024

Worst guests are the ones too clearly excited to be there (except Ike Barinholtz)

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rizzlord · February 20, 2024

I'm not an insane fan boy, but they really let themselves down bringing this guy on. He knows nothing and now they still don't either and no one listening knows anything new. And it's not just that their guest knows nothing, he failed to disuade Will and Felix from their misunderstandings and left the listener actively misinformed. Just very bad episode all around. If they could take this topic seriously for a moment and deal honestly with the facts and the technology as it stands and stands to grow, their voice would be valuable, as it always is. As it stands, they have nothing to add.

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chance · February 21, 2024

What is an example of one of their misunderstandings?

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thicchatlogan · February 20, 2024

so many babies in here complaining about the lack of hard-hitting journalistic analysis of AI not realizing that going to chapo for hard-hitting journalistic analysis makes you look like a fucking simpleton

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J Fitz · February 20, 2024

I wouldn’t call True Anon hard hitting journalism but they manage to be much more interesting and better informed on these topics

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emalco · February 20, 2024

“I would prefer not to”

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Meatwad Cosby · February 20, 2024

Great guest. Gotta have him back on after Elon dies on October 28, 2024.

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Martin Ross · February 20, 2024

Ed rules. Still miss the old podcast him and Felix used to do back in the day

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MKatieUltra · February 20, 2024

Excited for his new one!

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The Children of Jack Acid · February 20, 2024

I'm just here for the comments (picture of Michael Jackson eating popcorn).

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Agent Grange · February 20, 2024

I might be completely misremembering but I'm almost certain that Elon confirmed that the reason he's so high level in Diablo is because he's a whale who pays for all of micro transactions. So. That's where all that salary is going to.

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Science Bitch · February 20, 2024

This is thin gruel. This guy is English - did they know that before they invited him on?

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Greasy_Jones · February 20, 2024

Hi everyone, if you're interested in AI art so much perhaps I can interest you in buying this fine bridgecoin?

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Jaime Christley · February 20, 2024

Lotta “I’m not saying we should all pledge fealty to the AI overlords… BUT!!” replies on here

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Agent Grange · February 20, 2024

I'm not one to dickride for AI. However. I think people should reevaluate the idea that "all this model is doing is taking and recycling things from other sources to make a composite." There's nothing new under the sun, and most ideas are a composite of earlier influences mashed together. I feel like Will should know that from his time studying film with Movie Mindset. Obviously AIs current method is way more literal and hamfisted, but I think it does a disservice to artists to deny the idea that you build your own creative style by incorporating influences from others. Otherwise you end up agonizing over not wanting to "copy" someone and just sitting at a blank canvas waiting for a "wholely original" idea to hit you that will never come. Especially when even a robot can take a composite of different sources to make something that, albeit shitty and offputting, definitely hasn't been made before.

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leah · February 20, 2024

You are one to dickride for ai

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Sam Schick · February 20, 2024

AI is genuinely interesting when you get away from the consumer/entertainment aspect. Its use in stock trading, hiring practices, policy enforcement, credit worthiness, academic writing, et al and those implications are vast. The use of AI for good is also there, using it to generate scripts that trawl the internet and other public databases for congressional stock trades or creating easy user interfaces to see voting records or donation records of politicians. Etc There is a lot there outside of the generative entertainment context.

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James Wallace · February 20, 2024

"credit worthiness" is not a use for good.

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I am become reply guy · February 20, 2024

Snooze. Huge bell end.

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zach · February 20, 2024

i’m strongly anti-AI but this guy’s analysis is pretty weak tbh

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Hyperactive_BS · February 20, 2024

So like is it in the Patreon bio or where is it?

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Michael Austin · February 20, 2024

luv me ed luv me Elon luv me podcast simple as

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Joam Ahmma · February 20, 2024

It feels like they’re arguing a straw man the whole time. Who cares that it’s not perfect in a year? It’s clearly “improving”. Taking tech bros fully seriously is like expecting to turn into the silver dude after drinking capri sun. Also k!11 all British people

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Jaime Christley · February 20, 2024

Weird thing to say!!

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Martin Fleet · February 20, 2024

Loved this episode lads

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—— · February 20, 2024

This guy is a baby

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ScorPWNok · February 20, 2024

this is one of the most small-dicked comment sections of any Chapo ep ever and that's quite an achievement

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thicchatlogan · February 20, 2024

all the guys who "learned theory" by posting gritty memes in the chapo subreddit really showed up today

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Jack · February 20, 2024

Elon's in his K-hole, all's wrong with the world.

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Do Golems Dream of Ceramic Sheep · February 21, 2024

6 more weeks of AI Winter?

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FlyteRisk · February 20, 2024

Why on earth does anyone care about Twitter this much? Shit, the guest said “I’m never calling it x” like he was a medieval vassal for an imprisoned baron and was being asked to swear allegiance to the usurper.

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Ryan · February 21, 2024

Because the owner has wanted a business he didn't create to be called X since like 1995, and refusing to call it that is funny

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tapwaterskeptic · February 20, 2024

I think about the "NERVE" tweet constantly - such an inspirational lack of effort. If that dude can be a gazzilionare half-assing things so publicly, what sort of foot dragging can I get away with in my own life?

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Chris · February 20, 2024

i think its pretty obvious that this tech will somehow be used to not benefit people or reduce our working hours. But to say its not progressing is copium, the safe bet is that this shit is going to the moon

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TC · February 20, 2024

Really enjoyed Felix kind of take the reins of the interview/conversation. Nice little change of pace.

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stop watcherman · February 20, 2024

this guy suxx

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Cody Ross Rex · February 20, 2024

I wouldn’t have cared at all about this if it wasn’t for astronomy yt video comment sections (usually a place for amazing dialogue by older astronomers) being completely taken over by extremely stupid elon bros

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Chris · February 20, 2024

Everyone in here saying most people can't tell if an image is AI generated are really telling on themselves

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Socrates 2 · February 20, 2024

The culture of the AI bulls in silicon valley is incredibly blinkered and stupid, but holistic critics of the technology are also caught in a crisis of imagination, seemingly incapable of accepting that a pattern of historical progress is capable of indicating the potential for future progress. Saying that "we've had image generators for a year and they're still hallucinating" is about as silly as saying "my stupid baby has been crawling for 6 months, it obviously won't ever figure out how to walk." Remember that hallucination is still a common feature of the human mind itself and that's been in R&D since the beginning of the universe. The fact that anybody can see those Sora videos and compare them to AI videos from a year ago and not realize that asymptotic progress is being made is probably more contingent on a sort of Lovecraftian horror reaction than anything rational. Optimists about this technology are going to be proven wrong, but so are denialists. We are approaching an event horizon beyond which we really have no ability to glean insight, and stubborn cynicism is going to prove inadequate as a tool for confronting it.

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leah · February 20, 2024

you are also an AI guy because you talk exactly like them lmao

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NYCM&AHole · February 20, 2024

Also twitter’s sale happened because Elon Musk fucked up and insisted that not even satisfactory due diligence be an obligation for him to close the deal. His lawyers listened to him.

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Jaime Christley · February 20, 2024

he was forced to go through with the sale by the court that oversees Jarndyce v. Jarndyce in BLEAK HOUSE

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NYCM&AHole · February 20, 2024

lol bellend

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NYCM&AHole · February 20, 2024

lol ebaums world. Holy shit that’s a throwback.

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Andrew M · February 20, 2024

man fuck you guys the doom movie was a masterpiece

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Bobby Volcano · February 20, 2024

Another World mentioned, Eric Chahi go on Chapo

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Sam Tjahjono · February 20, 2024

Worldmaxxing and Dustpilled

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etienne · February 20, 2024

I was thinking the other day of maybe a good use for machine pattern matching: a thing that pulls the product code when seeing some fruit or produce at the grocery checkout so that the cash doesnt have to fuck around with the plastic tag on the apple or find a guy who knows the code. that could be nice i guess. but it would be difficult and low margin so instead what we're gonna do is, to take a totally random example brought up by TrashFuture, is a insurance startup that snarfs all your personal data into an opaque trained model that dynamically sets premium rates and ends up reintroducing bizarre old timey racism against small eastern european nation migrants

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NYCM&AHole · February 20, 2024

Too useful and won’t attract coked up VC money

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Axel H. · February 20, 2024

Damn, some of you are outright emotionally distressed by this episode. Fucking tech nerds, I swear...

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Ardy Rezv · February 21, 2024

I know. Wish they would’ve talked about Julian’s extradition instead of this

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KP · February 20, 2024

It’s so interesting how they let the culture surrounding AI affect how they report on it. Just because Elon bros love AI doesn’t mean it’s bad. The guest sounds like he has no idea what he’s talking about and made so many false statements only 15 minutes in that I had to click off. This was a brutal listen

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C. Andrew · February 20, 2024

Nah, I think it says something when the group of dumb rubes is telling you to trust them.

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Jackiel · February 20, 2024

A testament to chapos quality that the duds stand out

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Garth Hansen · February 20, 2024

I could use 121 dollars I'm broke as hell

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Jaime Christley · February 20, 2024

one of the most terrifyingly sad things I've ever witnessed was when a radio station - I think 104.3 in NYC - was giving away $104 to, idk, the third caller, that kind of thing. And this one woman who won was so blown away by getting $104 dollars that she was sobbing on the call. It was like one of those headlines that are like "Heartwarming! 99-Year-Old Auschwitz Survivor Walks 4 Miles Every Day to Work at McDonald's" happening in real time.

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The Other Lauren · February 20, 2024

Haven't listened yet but i see everyone's pissed. let's see if they're right or if everyone is stupid

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The Other Lauren · February 20, 2024

Update: seems fine to me, guess all the overpaid tech perverts are mad

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Major bit me · February 20, 2024

Still on stage 1, denial

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Marshall Steinbaum · February 20, 2024

Can’t say I agree that Elon’s destroying Twitter for no reason. He destroyed the main way the left communicates with one another. That’s why he’s being tacitly encouraged by the Dem party.

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Patron · February 20, 2024

terrible episode of uninformed complaining in a silly accent. just feeling bad about feeling bad and wishing bad on everything. meh

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Don Tickles · February 20, 2024

Let's all of us- jock or nerd or freak just make nice and agree that it's a deep social divide and we are all valid in our own arenas...it's ok. It's alright..... It's ok. It's... Ok.

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Enoch · February 20, 2024

I'm pulling for a Charles the Bold ending for Elon, figuratively and literally.

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Jaime Christley · February 20, 2024

Seems clear to me that almost all of the fad stuff (crypto, NFTs, AI, "machine learning") is smoke & mirrors, but Apple's plan with the Vision Pro allows for them to eat shit and get made fun of with a wonky debut. It's similar to the rollout of many flagship Apple products, but mostly the Apple II, which was too expensive for almost everybody, but it served to push the market along in ways that weren't happening until that point. I'm not interested in dropping $3500 for the Vision Pro (even though the main selling point for me is watching films on it), but we're going to see more robust competitors appear in its wake. The Meta Quest headset actually has a lot more fans than you'd think - kids love it - but it wasn't inspiring competitors in any game-changing capacity.

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C. Andrew · February 20, 2024

Yeah I saw tons of kids using the Quest and Apple has always been about Edu markets - you don't see freshman classes full of MacBooks because everyone loves a UNIX based OS - it's because their high school computer lab probably had iMacs. Maybe things have changed, but almost every school in the early 2000s had a Bhodi Blue iMac in it. That's what the stupid goggles is for: shifting the window of normality farther in apple's favor, getting tech into younger, richer (and thus potential future devs), hands, and making people think this VR thing (used to be PCs) isn't just a fad but part of life.

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Dru Heff · February 20, 2024

Damn this EP was some hot garbage

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Bryan Williams · February 20, 2024

Elon somewhere between Citizen Kane alone in the mansion and The Man Who Fell to Earth.

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Sep S. · February 20, 2024

Sorry stopped listening half-way through, which I almost never do, but this guy's contribution was just tepid water. I'm incredibly not a tech bro, but if they wanted to talk about this stuff rather than just make fun of them and move on, why not have someone on with a slightly better grasp of AI or a more interesting perspective on tech economics than this "Musk bad and stupid" talking point machine

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Taylor Fredrickson · February 20, 2024

Completely wrong about AI videos. 3 years ago, image generators were so bad it was funny. A year ago they were mocking image generators for not being able to do hands, now they're photorealistic and 9/10 people can't tell the difference, video will be the same.

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Jeremiah Gaiser · February 20, 2024

Yea, that was killing me…they cannot be this thick. I think it’s completely valid to object to generative AI in principle but just willfully ignoring the trajectory of this stuff doesn’t help. There are very good reasons to be alarmed by OpenAI’s progress (from a technical perspective) and these guys don’t know enough about it to have an interesting opinion :/

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Casey · February 20, 2024

That was so good, Ed is a Roth-tier guest

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plainwrap · February 20, 2024

I'm so old I remember when tech companies used to promote all kinds of innovative crimes against nature (like cloning) the government would just swoop in and ban it. That's really the promise of shit like AI, like NFTs, like self-driving cars: the unlimited freedom tech billionaires now have to do whatever they want to society and our laws under the excuse of economic necessity. If there's money in it our government will let a sleazy STEM-lord do anything to us. And there will be a horde of dullards heralding it as some kind of miracle.

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Connor Sullivan · February 27, 2024

Vault Tec-esque experiments coming soon, fr

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🐷 · February 20, 2024

Guest thinks Cambridge Analyitca is the first time we realized tech can be used against us? I guess we'll just forget about the Bush/O'Bunglers NSA controversy. Probably other things I'm too young to remember. He's like the slow libs that thought Elon was fine until he talked about unbanning Trump from Twitter and then suddenly they have a problem.

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Rigel Goheen · February 20, 2024

Cambridge Analytica is also a weird choice because what the public got sold isn't at all what happened. The dude who was the whistleblower was a scam artist more than a data analyst. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt though and say that there was a certain awakening to big data after this in the public sphere. I think though he's referring to a certain type of use of the tech. Before 2016ish I think people were aware of how little privacy they just had written it off. True the NSA era there were privacy concerns surrounding tech but overall public attitude was certainly more blase about it. I think there was very much the sense that the NSA was looking for terrorists (and really - a certain type of terrorist if you know what I mean) and that losing privacy wasn't good but it also didn't appreciably affect them in anyway. Same with companies using your data prior where it seemed like they were just selling you stuff. Like it's obviously not good but it's also mostly inconsequential to your day to day life. Then with Cambridge Analytica we hear about how big data can be used for corporations to seize power and affect the outcome of an election through harvesting data. That, to many, is a much scarier premise than the prior iterations. It didn't seem like that tale was particularly true (similar to like Russiagate) but I do think people started to view the data being gathered on them in a less kind light. While it was always true that "terrorism" could have been used as an excuse to spy on or fuck with everyone the average American doesn't really believe that will happen. With the Cambridge Analytica stuff people were already looking for any excuse as to how Trump could have won and then you get a "whistleblower" pointing to something that the average American is already vaguely suspicious of. That's my interpretation at least because my immediate reaction was kinda similar to yours. But I thought about it and I do kinda see his point even if I'm not sure I agree.

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Connor Dickinson · February 20, 2024

I welcome the arrival of the porn machine and I encourage it to go further harder stronger

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k v · February 20, 2024

The cybertruck is not a car yet. AI is not intelligence yet. They are barely products, and only on a market without standards.

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k v · February 20, 2024

guy calling Elong a sovereign individual needs monkeylinked

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Dan Leaf · February 20, 2024

Great episode. Love the “doom” movie reference. Deep lore

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Yacobum · February 20, 2024

The new Sora generative videos are absolutely insane and if you dont know you're looking for AI, 95% of people would take it as real without a second thought. I'm not saying I'm for it, but it is incredible. The Will Smith Spaghetti video was 1 year ago and the Sora videos from a couple days ago are a stunning improvement... its just completely incorrect to say it has not improved.

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Sam Schick · February 20, 2024

Dude that was a parody video shot by big Willy style himself. I swear to god I don’t know who’s full of shit anymore-that’s the power of AI

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kctoo · February 20, 2024

This guy is hilariously wrong about AI. Hundreds of billions of research spend.. can't spell words in pics.. no improvement in a year.. calls it AVERAGE general intelligence.. no new architecture in the past year.. like dude people pay you for your commentary - at least research it. I'm a visual artist and I fucking hate this AI shit but honestly this level of being asleep at the wheel is equally as scary as a new AI announcement lol

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Donald Darby · February 20, 2024

I mean he sorted by new on the 3 subreddits he looked at for 5 minutes before the show, what do you want from him?

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Tim Mullen · February 20, 2024

Bussy in bio

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Doug Cartel · February 20, 2024

think about how many of the dumb motherfuckers worshipping shitty AI-made videos are the kinds of nerds who proudly describe themselves like "Im PURE Rational. I dont let silly childish things like EMOTIONS control me"

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Petrorenminbi · February 20, 2024

Lot of losers in the comments for this one lol

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Axel H. · February 20, 2024

Never knew Chapo fans were so fucking boring. "It's gonna change the world, guys *sobs*"

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Joe · February 20, 2024

I’m truly sad to hear about a British millennial who spends a lot of time around tech and yet has somehow never taken illegal drugs.

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Damen Irving · February 20, 2024

I would prefer not to, Dave.

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Olivia Kali · February 20, 2024

AI is the most boring and mundane topic but I'll listen to my boys discuss literally anything

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Whucko Jaang · February 20, 2024

...If John Oliver did Elon Muskie's internal monologue...

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Kevin Jurado · February 20, 2024

Okay, using Better Off Alone for the end song sent me down a hole of late 90s dance hits. I'm not sure when I'll get out of it.

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William · February 20, 2024

More than you’re getting out of big tech these days

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nobody64 · February 20, 2024

My favorite part was when he said " what was Elon's last good idea?" as if StarLink hasn't made him a sovereign individual.

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William · February 20, 2024

Oh is that the Elon company that gets majority funding from the government?

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etienne · February 20, 2024

I wrote myself a API bot that would scrape my liked tweets to a database so I could rearrange them in a condensed webpage and whatever and it was a great little weekend fun project and I was very proud of it aaaaand it's been kicked off because the API tier I need is 100 dollar now. And on top of that the bot problem is getting close to 2021 Team Fortress 2 I'm genuinely mad at this. But them's the breaks online

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Jaime Christley · February 20, 2024

My wife, she tells me “my pussy in cryo”! No respect at all.

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Eliot Humphreys · February 20, 2024

muse

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Joel Marks · February 20, 2024

Great song for the closer

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Ranni · February 20, 2024

Damn I thought I was the #1 Elon hater

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Don Tickles · February 20, 2024

Ed draw me a monkey.

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Don Tickles · February 20, 2024

AI is a marketing term!? Will you will always be my guy for movies. You are still my guy. But cripes....

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R K · February 20, 2024

elon musk is not going to fuck you bro

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Don Tickles · February 20, 2024

Five minutes in and I'm already shaking my head. Can you guys please take a moment's grace and please acknowledge tech's astonishing accomplishment these last short years with generative AI and video. We don't want our boys to come off like old man Chomksy and his sour grapes take after the ChatGPT release. Don't worry no matter how much better the robot's slop becomes, our hearts will always be with the human creators- we will make room for you XO

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drewb · February 20, 2024

giggling and clapping my sticky hands over a glorified markov chain like a fucking toddler

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Jordan Brewer · February 20, 2024

My favorite AI video is the Roman Gods playing basketball and it looked like complete ass.

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Rory · February 20, 2024

God MMA promotions keep doing that on Instagram lol I saw gladiator Izzy vs Poatan UFC

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Methew · February 20, 2024

We need Matt or I’m gonna make up anti semitic conspiracy theories that Khazar Jews took him out as a preemptive blow to opposition media before staging Oct 7 as a false flag

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Methew · February 20, 2024

Matt…….

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Trying ToFree · February 20, 2024

SLOPS HERE FOLKS

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Dustin Nelson · February 20, 2024

At long last!!

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Nate Ferguson · February 20, 2024

Sick

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SP · February 20, 2024

MY TITS IN BIO

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cogandbal · February 20, 2024

WERE TO FIND BIO PATREON????