771 - The Crossing feat. Mohammad Alsaafin (10/10/23)

It’s worse, actually…they didn’t aim at the Gazan’s knees because they didn’t have to, they had explosive bullets, hence hitting them in the leg was enough. Also the people from Sderot actually sat in their lawn chairs together drinking beer and watching the Gazans get hit, jfc. (See Abby Martin film Gaza Fights for Freedom)

This was the most important podcast I listened to this year. Learned so much and really helped shape my current view. Thank you boys.

Lebensraum fur Grosses Israel

Hey does anyone know a good Palestinian/Gazan charity to donate to?

It does feel like after 9/11. The mediocre celebrate because now they have something to pretend to be backboned.

The attack is nothing to celebrate, but the conditions enabling it, if not its likely immediate results, suggest that the impasse may be coming to an end. Israel's geopolitical position will only deteriorate from this point forward, as American power wanes and its system of alliances falls apart. Things are truly mobile, to a degree that is both hopeful and terrifying.

It is nice to finally hear some sensible perspectives on this. I agree the levels of propaganda surrounding this is just like 9/11, and it really scares me.

It was interesting to hear this perspective, but Bernie and AOC have the sensible position on this. The “mass murder is bad, actually” position.

Please make this episode free.

great episode. If this episode made you mad at the chapos you are an ignorant little nerd and I hope you diarrhea yourself so badly that you are forced to sit on the toilet for weeks reading some fucking history

i dont rate the chapo boys on this issue at all - they are playing for cheap likes with no nuance or critical analysis at all. listen to jocko and darryl https://spotify.link/jyAuD4MzQDb

HAHAHAHA @ the puto that said I was trying to be white 🤣 You’re the one Jew bashing with all the red necks and gentrifiers. But keep on kissing the white mans ass I’m sure he’ll give you his scraps one day

The one thing I love about the chapo guys is they don't back down from their positions just cause they get little complicated. I know a few people who are free Palestine people who have gotten squeamish cause there are body counts on the Israel side. Peaceful solutions would be great but Israel is not interested in that

Thanks for this one guys. There’s a lot of uninformed people out there when it comes to this issue.

Love my boys. Love you your family and your people mohammad. I hope that this violence can make space for the justice that is so lacking and so necessary in Palestine.

Well this was extremely enlightening/depressing! Depressightening?

Part of this, and it's a very small part and not really connected that much, reminds me of the Falklands/Malvinas invasion. The thing about ultra-nationalist regimes is that their rhetoric doesn't serve to protect people, it is there in spite of protecting people. If the Israel government was a liberal one, likewise with Thatcher, then they'd have to keep on top of the military, because they wouldn't have the rhetoric to fall back on. But they were ultra-nationalist, and they can skimp or redirect forces away from flash points or areas of tension. Thatcher mismanaged the British Navy and pretty much goaded the Argentinian regime of the time to try its luck. I suspect that something similar is going on here. Again, not wholly the same (very different in a lot of ways) but something like that.

The US and EU loudly giving an apartheid state a blank check for genocide in 2023 means it’s all over folks. The Empire won

Listen to your father https://x.com/SenSanders/status/1712123827273019648?s=20

Been seeing a lot of mental gymnastics being done by a lot of annoying liberals and "lefties" online when the solution to this is very clear to anyone who knows the actual situation. Anyone who argues against giving equal rights/full emancipation to Palestinians should be laughed out of every conversation. If you can't do a "1 state solution" then get the fuck out forever. I pray for a future free of this dogshit media landscape and pathological grandstanding politicians.

love Mohammad!!!

Apartheid: if you’re there, you’re aware.

Earnest Felix hits different. Powerful interview.

This episode knocked me on my ass...

An unsurprisingly difficult but powerful episode

I saw a headline that said, Israel was taking prisoners where Hamas had hostages. It was like the Katrina looting vs. surviving headlines

Interesting to see how divisive Israel-Palestine is even for leftists. Though it seems to be mostly hang-ups over whether Hamas is being “excused” for killing civilians, frankly a fairly pointless area of bickering. Libs, conservatives, and the mainstream media are mostly in lockstep that Israel is in the right, that they’re fighting terrorists, and that the US should support them. Genocidal language is everywhere. Taking any pro-Palestine position is already fairly radical. Not sure why we’re nitpicking over things that don’t change the big picture. I’m in support of Palestinians not being oppressed by a settler-colonial ethno-state propped up by the West. It really is that simple.

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BTW… I’m sure Mohamed’s western education, and liberal leaning ideals would go over well with the Hammas fighters. Because they aren’t radical terrorist who kill people that don’t share their beliefs 🙄

Thank you guys so much for this episode. Mohammad was a knock-out last time he was on, so glad to see him back. Especially impressive that this was whipped together unplanned (probably). Thanks guys

I can't thank you guys enough for this episode. I can't imagine how tough your workload is rn with Matt still being in hospital. Inshallah he will return sooner rather than later and at full health!

Make this ep free

Excellent interview. never occurred to me so many Palestinians hasn’t even seen an Israeli. That’s truly mind blowing. free Palestine

Thanks guys. Settler's reactions to this event has me feeling beyond dejected. Appreciate y'all.

hegel for the win?

IDF pilots need to paint little ambulances on the sides of their cockpits whenever they get a hit on one. Just to keep things honest.

From the River to the Sea!

I'm getting some Ukraine cope energy here. As Felix said you can only push people so far because they are only human, but because they are only human it is hard to see this having a beneficial conclusion. I am getting 9/11 into War on Terror vibes. The only chance I see is the fact that (as Felix has also pointed out), these gestapo militaries aren't built to handle getting hit back. In the end Palestinians surely know the cost of defeat will be brutal and will be paid until their family is wiped out, but some Israeli playing their Steamdeck can simply go Brooklyn or Sarasota or any CrossFit and continue to be as annoying as ever. This will of course be terrible for Palestinians but what is the alternative, especially now? I only hope a whole lot more Brace Beldens are out there to turn the tide.

“Interacted with israelis in their homes” is a euphemism just like “israelis killed, palestinians died”. Be more consistent.

Keep your mouth shut about what you think about Hamas. Any criticism of them plays right into the hands of the Zionists. My vision for a just world differs radically from theirs, but for fucks sake, their existence is the entirely predictable consequence of Israel’s actions over the last 70 years. The only blame should be laid on Israel. Furthermore if I didn’t want to get merked by some “terrorists” I would simply not live on stolen land.

If I may push back a little bit on what Felix said we do have a pretty good example of what Israel is doing in Palestine. It’s the first 100 years of the reservation system in the US.

At this point, what is actually preventing Israel from actually just decimating Gaza? Fear of retaliation from another government?

One sanity point restored

One thing I will say is that I'm a bit less pessimistic about how this narrative is going to play out. I don't think Israel has quite the same handle on it this time. Even having to walk back the accusations of baby beheadings and rape or whatever while talking about genocide and shit will begin to weigh on the situation

Can’t wait to dive into the comments I’m sure everyone is being very respectful and level-headed

I might unsubscribe. You guys make me think.

I appreciate all the analysis, all.

this very much mirrors 9/11 in the sense that Hamas used to be a Shin Bet catspaw to fight leftists and complacent intelligence agencies let this happen and the army gets to be praised endlessly for mopping up the mess the intelligence agencies made, like a murderous janitor

Liberate me Xi.

If I listen to the events anywhere else I'd go insane.

interacting with israelis in their homes…. murdered u can say murdered

literally the only good coverage of this situation i have encountered. thank you so much

Excellent stuff

When you're on birthright and a girl with braces sucks your dick its called the iron dome

Who’s ready for WWIII in the holy land?

Feels really bad to watch the world cheer on the scourging of the Warsaw ghetto. Thankfully this show proves there is some humanity left.

I hate the way this discussion is framed out in the world and I'm sick of people who want peace being cast as naive. If we're going to talk about naivete, then the political class must acknowledge that the only hope for a non-violent outcome to this conflict is a two-state solution and an end to the apartheid. I don't consider that a "moral" or "pacifist" stance. It's a realist stance. As long as the conditions continue, it is utopian and unrealistic to think that there will not be more violence and fairly likely that this will eventually result in a genocide by one side or the other. The people who only talk about security or maintaining the status quo -- they are the ones who are dreaming. the If people are horrified by that, then now, more than ever, is the time to push Israel to negotiate. Again, that has nothing to do with right or wrong, it's a material fucking reality. It's exactly why war, occupation and apartheid are untenable in the long term, because they in fact eliminate all other alternatives. JFK, of all people, said it best -- they who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable. Peaceful revolution (both words) is the only other option. But then again, for all I know, we may be long past any "hope" at all.

I've never been more desperate for a Chapo episode than this one... thank you.

Is there a way to help the people in Gaza get supplies? I don't know how to go about it. Food , medicine, some kind of charities?

Thanks, I needed to hear some of this.

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Very good discussion. One would hope that the Biden foreign policy team is taking a more nuanced and measured stance privately and through official channels. Unfortunately, not much grounds for optimism on that score. The real 9/11 analogy makes more sense in this case if we envision the Twin Towers as symbols for U.S. regional and global influence in the next decade. Netanyahu seems to be pretty intent to take the U.S. down with him. The case for U.S. moral leadership at this point is not especially high, but that doesn't mean things can't get lower. Of course, this is the least of the tragedies right now.

Excellent episode. I listen to yall for the satire but, when it seems like the entire mainstream anglophone media has gone insane, I really appreciate the clarity. The fact that y’all did this episode, and focused on the issues that Gazans (not some abstract “Palestine,” “Israel” or petty squabbling diplomats in foreign capitals) are facing speaks to the quality of this show. Keep it up!

Thank you boys!

@11:55 That's non-sense, right? Israeli Intel knew but Netanyahu just didn't care / let it happen, to have an excuse for what's happening now

the detail about the israeli snipers crippling a generation of palestinians was extremely harrowing but I couldn’t help but think of the quebecois wheelchair assassins from infinite jest

Thank you for providing a counterpoint to the insanity and gaslighting going on in the American media.

Fuck Hamas. But more importantly, fuck Canada.

Doubt this is going to be a fun ep

Appreciate this episode.

hamas has signed its suicide note with a bloody flourish

Great guest. Great analysis as always.

Wow so Hamas attacked military bases and then, eventually, went into towns and took hostages. Sounds right, carry on.

all the best to Matt and the family Will stop waving your head around the mic, or get an earpiece mic or something

As soon as it started, I knew the boys would come with the strong ep. Thanks to Mohammad for the report. Love to the Christman fam. Allahu akbar

Lotta people gettin likes in the comments huh

Fuck Israel and fuck the new Patreon UI

love y'all, ty for a wonderful and clear sighted ep

Hipster PayPal doesn’t need a chat function

Tenth?

First

From the river to the sea 🇵🇸

Fifth!

death to israel :)))

New app’s garbage.

Sending love to Matt, Amber, and their little one. Thank you for doing a show about the tragedy unfolding in Gaza and Israel. Y'all always cover this issue with depth, humility, and honest anger and frustration.

This piggie needed his slop. Thank you!

israeli girl gave me head, call it iron dome

first in to say good health to Matt and death to Israel