1077 - doormat mother! feat. Alex Nichols (10/5/26)

Love these guys but Chris can you please teach them how to pronounce Ed Sheeran and and Art Basel im taking psychic damage

Ah yes, the state should intervene in your personal affairs...i thought conservatives hated that

An actual doormat would be more welcoming

I’m sad Will gave up the “Chunks, chunks, chunks” thing. It was always fun to listen to it never really work

With everything that’s happened this week you spend the entire episode on this? That’s a choice, I guess…

30 minutes, story about the grandma: Have some sympathy guys, haven’t you ever seen the heartbreaking painting by USSR artist Gely Khorzev: “Grandparent’s rights revoked” ?

All timer episode

Mom go out and get me a switch 😭

I haven’t like fully cut my parents out of their grandkids lives but like…I also make very little effort to go out of my way to visit them. They live five hours away and are retired. If you want to visit you can come to me. If you want to talk to me, you can call me. Like when I call you all you want to do is talk about yourself or the weather…I called my dad back the other day on work break between meetings. He wanted to tell me about he was cleaning out and re-painting the inside of one of his closets.

Much love to Alex and WFYM but I would cut off Doormat Mom and I stand with her two estranged children

I love the idea of grandparents’ rights because where does that stop? Will we eventually get a step-uncles bill of rights that guarantees them the right to smoke the kid’s first blunt in a garage together?

Here in Canada grandparents can appeal to the courts to see their grand kids. I dont have an opinion on that being good or bad, I’ve never given it much thought. But i was surprised its seemed so unusual to here.

Want to use the power of the state but not for healthcare etc

The most un-self aware part of this is doormat mom says she cut off her daughter after learning she hadn’t been invited to her daughter’s wedding. Girl! Your daughter cut you out of her life and you only allowed yourself to understand it when you didn’t receive a written invitation—the receipt was your lack of a receipt. Doormat Mom’s clueless statement here gave big “you can’t fire me, I quit!” energy.

I'm from AZ. Cave Creek is just another part of the desert that people have decided is more desirable for some reason. I mean, it's up on a hill, but that's about it.

I'm only half way through but Chinese grandparents would also be insupport of rights over their children.

Holy shit, I checked out @doormatmom on IG and just today she posted a video where she’s fully accepted her fate. Times they are a changin’.

I was in a test screening of the Heart of the Beast Brad Pitt movie while it was being edited and I just need to warn everyone that it was so much worse than you think it might be. I was the last one in the theater at the Paramount Studio lot because I was writing basically hate mail to the whole team in the post-viewing survey. Best part was that Pitts character dies at the end right before he can be rescued. Only improvement they could’ve made would be if the dog died too. I signed an NDA pls don’t tell anyone I said this.

Can Alex please join as third host permanently? He’s so fucking sharp.

It wasn’t even the norm for most of human history that people were stuck with their family forever. Most cultures throughout history have had outlets for children who hate their parents.

My mom cut off my grandparents when she was like 50 it was awesome. But I wonder how many of these insane stories have a “step” parent involved somehow

re: Ella Langley’s “Choosing Texas”, my own mom regularly plays this in our home on the big speakers 😭

I know some of you have some fucked up parents, go on.. vent. This is a safe space.

Katherine is pregnant.

as a non-white person who went to school with several cousins it’s a pretty sweet deal

This groyper dad bit is one of my favorite things ever, I’m dying at work. “Son I bought you a Dasha coin let her know” lmao 🤣

The Sean John hat lmao

I’M a Nov 3rd birthday boy. I always knew Felix was speaking directly to me. Now it’s confirmed. Think I’ll get myself another copy of The Catcher in the Rye this birthday.

Alex has a unique talent to make comments about the people being discussed which are both maximally hurtful, and insightful, for instance about the children of these various crying narcissists all being in therapy for some reason lol

Larping as a posadist to reverse-psychologize my Gonzalo-thought son

I think this "epidemic" also has to do with the difference in parenting. Like my parents were absolute authoritarians. And they're comfort mattered more than ours. But modern parenting actually has adults be responsible for their own emotions so they can teach their kids how to manage theirs, because kids are dumb as hell until you teach them things, and most people can't manage their kids AND their parents emotions, so the parents get the boot.

Love how Will goes "no you gotta use reverse psychology, like 'I'm a groyper now too, son'" like 5 minutes into that being the bit

grateful i have a cool mom that moved TF out of missouri to have me

The correct response that I had with these estranged parents is to simply ask them for an apology for their behavior. You will never hear from them again after that. Well, after they tell you everything that you’ve done wrong to them, and how they sacrificed.

The bit from 1:25:16 onward is honestly on of the funniest I’ve ever heard. I want a groyper son now.

Really wish Alex was a permanent fixture

God damn was not expecting the Sleeper Cell reference. I havent thought about that show in like 15 years.

Felix going "REEEEEE" made me think of the stick figure on a steamroller meme from about 20 years ago

Damn I'm glad my family is normal

Ned Flanders cut off his beatnik parents

No joke: My boomer mother cheated on our dad causing him to commit suicide and then tried to bring her new boyfriend on a trip with our whole family without telling us. REFUSED to admit she lied about any of it. To this day still! My bro and I went no-contact and she probably blames us 😂😂😂

Not sure if this point has been brought up but as someone who is rather close to a situation like this - withholding the grandchild relationship can be the first time a kid has leverage over their parent. Altercation or disagreements by a terrible parent can always be justified with well my kid is dumb or doesn’t know anything I and I am right. But the material relationship being withheld as a consequence of their actions can be the first time they have to recognize that their behavior has consequences. Sad there’s a movement of doubling down rather than being self reflective.

If you guys want to retire with 100 Million Dollars you should make the groyper embarassment deprogramming intervention into a reality TV show

The first time I heard my friend scream at his mom for stealing his klonopin was certainly an experience

I can't imagine why you would want to air the family drama out online

Gee, I wonder what happened 3 years ago in October that might have children estranged from their boomer parents 🤔

Alex with some rancid takes this time.

Alex third mic when

Alex is a stalwart third mic.

When is Felix going on David Lightbringer (GoT)?

I did a deep dive on doormat mom a while ago. Here's what happened between her and her daughter by her own admission: Her daughter lives in Australia, as does her fiance. She called her mom to let her know that they were going to get married, but that they were going to do a non-traditional ceremony/ elopement. Doormat mom could not countenance this. She demanded that her daughter have a second wedding in the USA, that doormat mom would pay for and that she would make most of the decisions on. Her daughter agreed to this, Even though she didn't really want that kind of wedding. Doormat mom found out a few months later that she was not invited to the Australian wedding. Without even talking to her daughter, she canceled the entire American wedding and cut her kid off. So yeah.

I had good parents that also smoked crack .. people are onion's . good not great

You guys have no fucking clue

I notice the obvious person not mentioned in these estranged grandparent accounts is the other parent, like the adult with parental rights and authority over the grandchild and *no* legal or immediately familial obligation to the aggrieved subject. You gotta figure that the kids spouse/partner/whatever is involved in the decision, like "Baby I'm sorry but I don't think we can have Willow back in that house full of psycho dogs and unsecured guns"

I guarantee it was just a collection of Alex Grey prints. She doesn’t hv enough $$$ for the kind of ‘Miami Art’, the boys bring up.

I think Will is misreading the federal law thing - that woman very likely doesn't give a shit about her adult child and is ready to burn that bridge BUT she wants grandparental rights over the grandchild, i.e. state-mandated visitations. Their child is an adult and no longer something they can control or play with so toss that out the window, but how dare they take the new bright and shiny toy away from them. They are a generation (at least the MAGA portion) that I think has a 50% incidence of nascent lead poisoning from leaded gasoline and they were never told no. Truly a remarkable combination

Revisionist horseshit yet again 20 minutes about the benefits of the nuclear family what the fuck!

i haven’t seen my grandchild in 6 weeks, i need to tell the governor

I think democrats avoid pointing out dennis hastert because they don't want to inadvertently draw attention to a pedophile that they support, like billary clinton

Anybody ever been with someone that you know will someday demand grandparents rights from their estranged kids? ["Like an animal attacking a mirror"] Makes me laugh because when Kansas created Grandparents Rights laws it was just to make sure Grandparents could easily get parental rights on the children their kids abandoned to the state. And yea, anyone that posts their personal drama is 100% always at fault.

🐐needle drop.

"It's boomers all the way down". Matt Christian thought vindicated yet again. I think it was in one of the Hell of Presidents episode where he said everyone born after 1945 is a boomer

47:49 lord William Fauntleroy lets out a nice WASPY “Rah-ther” Certified Heritage American moment

I have a friend from college who’s parents refused to pay for her to go to therapy unless she signed away her right to confidentiality because they were “concerned” she would “lie to the therapist about them.” I also know a kid from growing up who, when he was getting engaged, his mother called the moms of all the kids he went to elementary school with asking them to call him and talk him out of getting married. These are the exact people who were “nothing but good parents” LOL

I’m from cave creek, it’s all old people larping as cowboys

You’ve GOT to get this guy as the third mic. These are some of the best eps you’ve had since Matt had to leave.

Also the grandma has not seen her kid since August. So like 2 months. And she immediately goes to like make a law about it.

nah yeah from my reading the Malfoid stuff is basically just part of the normal tradition of online drawguys to gender bend characters and the ideology stuff came later because Rowlings is a huge anti-trans chud. There's conspiracy theories that it was AI generated astroturf propaganda in the very first place but I kinda don't buy it, I've seen this kind of online anime fan meme cycle happen a 100 times already before

I get what Alex was trying to say about poorly socialized children as adults, but the wedding story is probably some stupid stuff like the mom insisting she has the right to wear white. This kind of person loves making a significant event about themselves.

The simple answer to the "why is active estrangement rising" is technology, but not for the reasons parents think. For the past 10,000 years of human civilisation, if you wanted to permanently get away from your parents, all you had to do was move 10 miles up the road. There are countless examples of quite prominent historical figures who cut off their parents. Even after the car was invented, you could just change your number or move to another country (if that desperate). But social media and mobile phones have allowed controlling and abusive parents to exert control over and access into their adult children's lives far into adulthood, and that unlimited 24/7 access can't be escaped. They can find you on social media, ring you every day for free, text you constantly, demand access to your life over and over and over. The result is that proactive estrangement has become a necessity. The intense, close knit 24/7 connection fostered by the Internet and mobile phones means that parents simply won't accept it when their kids try to set boundaries. And the tech allows them to violate those boundaries with ease. As a result, people are having to decisively and explicitly say: "You are violating my boundaries and my privacy, and I'm uncomfortable with that. I've asked you to stop but you won't. So we're done". It is a result of tech, but it's not because of Snapchat. It's because baby boomers have access to more tools of coercive control over their kids than any generation in human history. And their kids are pushing back.

“Son I’m dating Dasha” is the hardest I’ve laughed at the show in so long

I have to inform you Mr Menaker my brothers fathers parents did take my moms side in the divorce and were my extra 3rd set of grandparents. my mother would go on to take my brothers ex’s side in his first divorce

Meanwhile my parents have seen my daughter like 5 times since she was born last year.

Please make Alex a permanent member of Chapo, all time best guest

Hysterical grandmother clip made me look like an insane person cackling at the gym

The crazy thing is that in New York grandparents can try to apply and push for visitation rights.

A friend who works at the Department of Commerce attended a Howard Lutnick all hands. He talked a lot about 9/11. He did not mention his brother. Make of that what you will.

Another ‘sode? Don’t mind if I do. “All I wanna be is el Chapo” 👊

The Groyper Dad bit would be a perfect Malcolm In The Middle episode

More Alex more often

so hyped you guys are talking about door matt mom

Wow. Realizing I haven’t heard the term kekistan in like six years. Life comes at you fast

I was on the Sinema annihilator’s side until they said he destroyed expensive booze. That’s fucked up and he should go to prison

Art "Buh-sell"

It’s so funny to me that doormat mom wrote a book that may as well have been titled “nuh-uh, you!”

My goyslave aunt who gives all her money to megachurches and maga is arguably my most normal boomer relative. She’s like a pillar of the family. Took care of me and my un-well adjusted cousins when our families cast us aside in our late teens and young adulthood due to the oat sewing and leg stretching that comes sort of naturally around that age. My cousin with schizophrenia in a group home is largely only cared for by her and she raised her own ID/disabled child for most of her life until he passed many decades after he would have otherwise. The times she played her christian end of days tapes in the car or took me to church with her were fine. Sometimes entertaining. It’s really her siblings and their families, that seem deranged by their lives in some way that has led to unsurmountable self absorption.

The last straw was when my mom put multiple credit card in our name to fund her shopping addiction than lied about when we asked about when we grew up. Also the calculation changes when its your kid. you will put up with a lot thinking “hey made it this long” but once you see that put on your own kids you make decisions.

Malfoid is just anime drawings of a genderbent malfoy, I don't think there's a political element

My wife and I prefer seeing her Maga parents over my Shit Lib parents by a country mile. The MAGAs are afraid of talking politics and are always polite but the libs never shut up about Trump and bring up bill maher every-time.

My B.I.L. who's a trad cath has cut off his very normal parents who don't go to church so I can confirm it does happen the other way around. He also cut off his sister because she let his son paint his nails yellow and black for Batman colors (Dad's favorite superhero BTW) because it was teaching him about blurring gender roles, "a massive problem in this country".

On the topic of embarrassing gifts to give your groyper kid, my wife knows I’m into politics and love sports, so she got me a book about past presidents and their relationships to sports…written by Chris Cilizza. Owned my ass.

the failson Kyle he took to his first day of school on 9/11 is now one of the guys running cantor, he was also an aspiring EDM/rap DJ though it seems like he's been scrubbing that stuff off the internet lately :/

As an ex Mormon whose parents are still fully in it, I am glad more people are realizing they don’t have to listen or really engage with their parents. Nothing causes more pain than trying to stay close with people who fundamentally see you as less than.

I know this is nitpicky, but I really cringed when they were joking about fettermans kids. I felt like we should leave those poor kids alone. Having him as their dad is punishment enough.

Felix totally correct at 49ish, at least in my experience

This is James Dobson shit with extra steps

49:10 god damn

“Son, while we raise this kekistan flag together, let me explain the importance of the flag code.”

When the kids are in the wrong, they are often deeply mentally ill and their long-suffering parents, if they do love their kid, understand that and don't make a scene about how wronged they are. In my experience, kids who cut off their parents will tell you how fucked up their are by their parent not loving them. And ofc as you say, trying to dominate that child inti returning is not loving.

I don't really have a dog in this fight, just sort of asking questions. Is it really america first for the fbi director to marry a Swiss country singer?

I know these Epstein whistleblowers and associates are probably getting knocked by very professional hitmen, but I feel like with law of big numbers, one of these days one of them is gonna kill an intruder who then turns out to have been a hired gun. I wonder if the news will even bother reporting on it or if they’ll just have the cops kill them in an “altercation” afterwards, or how they’d get around that roll of the dice.

My parents told me they would come after me for “grandparent rights”. AFTER I said I needed space when they threatened me physically after drinking all day at my child’s birthday party.

If they pass a Grandma's Rights Law, I'm going to be pushing for legislation that forces Grandma, at ATF gunpoint, to replace her hard candies with sour patch kids and give me 5 dollars every time I see her.

Oh God is my mom gonna start a tiktok about my brother who hasn't talked to her in 6 years

Obviously there is an element of people viewing their children as their property but I think an understated part of this grandparent entitlement is culture war white replacement anxieties of "oh well I abused my child into being normal enough to breed. But my pussy lib children might let their grandchild grow up to be gay or trans or autistic! So I need to be around to abuse that kid before they ruin them, because I obviously know what's best!"

FUCK WHOSE FEELINGS? YOU SELECTED "YOUR," REFERRING TO MY FEELINGS. THAT IS INCORRECT. THE CORRECT ANSWER IS: FUCK YOUR FEELINGS

Birth rates should be lower

Well McConnell & co. obviously can’t go after the guy on pedophilia because 1. There’s so many pedophiles that it’s not an attack that distinguishes one bourgeois politician from so many others, And, 2. People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Obviously the GOP attacks Dems for sex abuses (both alleged and conspiratorial, including the genocidal fearmongering of transgender people), but more importantly the GOP knows Trump’s a pedophile, Bill Clinton, Bill Gates is a pedophile, big finance guy Howard lutnick, the fact that the real story also includes Epstein’s connections to intelligence agencies as pretty much a guy who exists to hook powerful creeps in, create a lot of blackmail: it’s pretty much a thing which pushes the society towards revolution, even if it’s not that big of an influence.

perfect thing to listen to while i sit in the waiting room at labcorp awaiting my bloodwork so i can get on testosterone replacement therapy

Observe how the new alpha of the podcast, alex, is rarely ever interrupted by the two men in podcasting who are defined by constantly taking over each other. His subtle dominance of the podcast has been noted and he should be given 1st mic full time, with will continuing as MC. Will and Felix both wear shock collars that alsx has control of. Great ep, my therapist wife was finally turned into a fan by it!

Maybe the parents of Molestrios will be featured on that page one day

banger ep, get Alex on third mic please

RIP Jim Bakker

what an incredible goddamn journey that begins at 28:35 - i feel fucked up

As someone who lived in Phoenix for awhile, Cave Creek is beautiful. And yes, the Kokopelli vibes describe it pretty well.

Detail you missed with the grandmother screaming at the congressman: this has been going on according to her since August. So like 6 weeks, and she's already engaged two congressmen about it. She couldn't wait to see if they made up by Thanksgiving?

I figure Stephen millers' parents were either some kind of insane nationalist or they were ultra libs

The only solace I get from having to watch the headlines of Fox News while at the gym is the weekly segment on why all their kids no longer speak to them.

Kyrsten Sinema dating Connor O'Malley from the Slugs video

Big government is bad, except when government locks up immigrants, shoots protestors, gives me a girlfriend and makes my kids allow me to see my grandkids Chevy chase fucking warned you when he did that song in Community about how awesome boomers thought they were

not to be confused with chicago legend devin hester

Equally hilarious and infuriating that these people claim their kids hating them is an issue of “rights”. These people declare pogroms against the lgbtq community and go apeshit if McDonald’s workers violate their “drive through customer rights”

Years ago I discovered my mom was a member of a Boomer Facebook page that was all about making excuses for the shit job they did raising their kids 😂. It was all essays about how we kids actually had it great and just didn’t appreciate the enrichment that being a latchkey kid brings.

august of this year is simply not long enough to get a gubernatorial candidate involved in your family drama

Interesting contact info in the original press release https://www.prweb.com/releases/new-book-doormat-mom-no-more-says-no-more-to-the-bullying-of-good-parents-by-ungrateful-adult-kids-302328603.html

Hey son, let’s sit and watch Baked Alaska trigger Vietnamese laundry attendant and have a good kek!

Republicans are the party of the Nanna State. 🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅

There definitely are good parents whose kids end up assholes. But, something tells me that Doormat Mom and her ilk are not among them.

“Son I’m dating Dasha” 😂

Alex for first mic fuck will and felix

Imagine dangling that 5-bedroom house in front of your kid, and saying "you don't get the house, if you don't get dinner with me once every month" ... and the kid looks at that million $$$$ asset... and just like "nah, too annoying, can't"

Suspending habeas corpus to get the US Army to enforce grandparents rights

I'll bet that what the angry grandmother did when she "turned them down that one time" was freak out and brow beat the parents for even having the temerity to ask.

There isn’t an innocent soul in Connecticut

Alex, RMR - Rascal will change that smug lil tone of yours re: rap/country.

i cry tears of joy when i see alex in the title

Boomer appeasement is the law of the future. Boomers hold all the wealth outside of the tech elite and finance. There are already laws about parental neglect where if you don’t pay to care for the elderly then you can end up in jail. It’s a minor extension of this forced fealty/vassalage to have the boomer parent placed onto your custody agreement. It’s how the coming feudal order will satisfy the minor land holder.

Surprised no one mentioned that there’s a quick reference to cutting off your parents in the encampment scene in the new run hide fight

If we find out he threw the dogs smoking and playing poker into Sinemas pool he's gotta go to jail for life.

A rare "no, yeah" from Felix, rather than "yeah, no."

One of the better episodes recently

Entering my groyper son into the Sargon of Akkad fuck a fan contest

Can’t mention Saipan in front of an Irish middle aged man

What is it with Felix and barrels of molasses?

Choosing Texas is a banger I will die on that hill

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DeCD_oxKAbn/?stkn=a2dtY21tMWlyeG1k Grand folks is tirrrred!

Psychologist Lucas Bean investigated this widespread issue of family estrangement of MAGA grandparents and concludes that as entitled narcissistic Boomers, the ego injury of no longer being allowed to transgress the interpersonal boundaries of their children motivates them to support policies that inflict harm on the next generation out of spite. https://youtu.be/DFRhk2x5ec8?is=A9z3zAkHu-C0rCia

Lol Felix disagreeing with the "white people have no cousins" tweet and the proceeding to demonstrate why white people have no cousins

Speaking of doormat parents I had a neighbor once that was Gen Xer living with his dad who stabbed him with a knife then ran away and it took the police like a week to figure out he was just hiding in the abandoned house directly across the street like 40 feet away (Appalachia). Then his dad let him move back in with him when he got out of jail

A fun website about estranged parent forums: Down the Rabbit Hole: The World of Estranged Parents’ Forums – Issendai https://share.google/cQTwCN6DZJlE9QSGS

I'm imagining the swimming pool filled with those paintings of olives with arms and legs jumping into martini glasses. Maybe some paintings of dogs playing cards.

damn, this ep makes me feel a lot more grateful that my boomer parents are msnbc libs who dont like israel

“I’m not a bad guy. I’m not crazy. I’m just really f-ing smart and have seen behind the curtains” -brain damaged green beret accused of kokopelli rampage in krysten sinema’s house’ literally sounds like a Felix shitpost lmfaoooo

great game theory ep.

“kokopelli rampage” beautiful phrase from Will

"Son I'm dating Dasha" had me pissing my pants.

Alex? More like Alsex

I think that with the Doormat Mom that it was something where she and her daughter fell out over her daughter's wedding or something where they were argueing over money or some shit and her daughter was just like 'fuck it I'm just gonna get married overseas and not invite you' IIRC

terrifying photo!

I read a write up someone did after spending hundreds of hours looking into these estranged parent groups. We see a pattern when someone is there with a situation where they’re not in the wrong (at least not so directly): Kid falls into addiction, kid has mental illness, kid joined a cult, etc. Those parents find specific groups for those specific issues. Which leaves the rest of them…

my mother in law used to live in Florida and the last time we let her babysit she got vodka drunk and let our ten year old play with a coral snake in the garage which we were obviously pretty annoyed about, but now I've learned that yelling at her for it was a violation of grandparents' rights I'll send her some flowers

The woman who hasn’t seen her grandson since August is so funny because most grandparents don’t see their grandchildren more than once a month

Please make Alex perma host, he’s too good

29:51 Republicans want the government to do EVERYTHING except give people healthcare and properly fund public services.

Dennis 😢🍦

Jim Bakker finally died!

Literally oinking for my slop

Dennis Hastur? The Dennis in Yellow?

Felix’s pronunciation of Jimmy Savile’s family name continues to be my absolute favorite. Straight outta Iberia

Also I think Felix cracked the Trump appeal code for these people. Wanting to shit on the libs at every turn but also receive universal cultural acclaim. He is their patron saint.

Alex is in the running for best 3rd chair guy.

Doormat mom segment was cathartic for me 🙏🏻

I need to hear the parents perspective on the grandparents rights grandmother. They must’ve seen the clip.

The Baron Vladimir HaggenDas

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Alex 🐐

Rip to the Grappler

Felix begins speaking at 58 seconds

Felix first speaks at 1:00m, bemoaning the death of Hastert.

playing this at 2x speed so i can spoil the jokes for you

Who else tugging on they nuts rn

Did they cover lucki

First and in the closet

I’m a hog