1073 - Unsafe, Illegal, and Common feat. Kylie Cheung (9/21/26)

Great ep

Based Bay Area native. Love Kylie’s work!

I'm on the board of Frontera Fund, an abortion org based in deep south Texas. Am I allowed to post our donation link here?

Very interesting but a tough listen with the amount of "like"s.

If they wanted to play hard ball, blue states would pass felony murder laws against doctors (and maybe husbands/boyfriends/fathers) who allow a woman to die by withholding abortion, and make it applicable such that red state doctors & other abortion obstructionists could be extradited to blue states to stand trial & face life sentences. Then it's murder charge v. murder charge, instead of murder charge v. please don't do this to us.

Oh my god it’s my favorite James harden Stan and apologist

Take a drink every time Kylie says, “for lack of a better word”

The use of “woman” instead of “women” really makes my ass itch

The thing about valorizing women who stick with life threatening pregnancies reminds me of this horrible Charlie Kirk clip where a girl at his rally is talking about how her father raped her and she kept the baby and Charlie and the whole crowd clap for her

Can someone please get Kylie some “better words” asap. I feel terrible about her lack of them.

Jesus Christ you guys have got this wrong. Stop blaming fucking doctors. The AMA doesn't represent doctors- they own doctors. The AMA is a lobby that literally owns the billing codes the doctors can use. That's right- this lobbying organization owns the very structure in which physicians and allieh health care providers get paid. The AMA regularly pushes legislation and tries to implement rules that are not in the best interest of medicine and providers. The AMA works with the hospital lobby TO MAKE MONEY. I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand but physicians are being bludgeoned by the MBA class, private equity, and venture capitalists like everyone else. You act as if physicians are indifferent to this legal issue. It's horrifying. If you want to help start finding ways to advocate for nurses and doctors by going after medical C suite corporate raiding executives and lackey administrators indifferent to human suffering rather than attacking us and acting like we're part of the fucking problem.

Interesting.

read Caliban and the Witch

Like kind of like, y’know like, kind of like..

Excellent interview!

But what are her opinions on james harden 🤔

alright, when is the next REAL civil war?

This has to be some sort of record for “like” being said per sentence.

Doctors are either good people that just want to help others, apathetic bag-chasers who essentially only ended up where they are due to pressure from their parents, or absolute psychos. And in America option 2 and 3 are the most incentivized. I am sick of critique of doctors being treated as off limits and outrageous for anyone that isn’t like an antivaxxer plandemic type and I’m glad you guys don’t hold the same reverence liberals do for them. I get that some are absolute angels, they are under a huge amount of pressure, and the structural factors are more important, but the more I learn about them the less I like them

To those complaining about the guest’s use of “like”: Will uses “like” a ton too, but the complaints there are minimal/nonexistent. Y’all are just misogynistic.

Two of the male teachers volunteered to teach all of the boys in 5th grade sex ed, which was pretty comprehensive for our age. In middle school we were taught abstinence. Hooray for Nevada public education

She seems knowledgeable on this issue and I appreciate her James Harden loyalty on twitter, so I was rooting for her to stop saying "like" every third word and like, she never like fucking stops saying like over and over Jesus. sorry I dont want to be mean to her I just couldnt stop noticing it

Wonder if the reasons liberal zionists rant about "human shields" so much is projection for them using women's reproductive rights as an actual human shield.

Yeah texas a fucked up place cant get an abortion my joint is worth a murder charge not a job in sight that isnt building a data center ...I feel so free

Tbh this episode may have benefitted from Katherine’s presence

My sister got pregnant a couple years ago and they were able to tell in the first trimester her fetus had a rare genetic disease and would likely not survive past 1-2 years of life.. fortunately she lives in a state that allowed her to commit murder. She got pregnant a second time and now has a healthy 10 month old that just took his first steps… but these abortion people think it would be better if she and her husband were instead going through the loss of having a 1 or 2 year old baby die? Thats more humane huh?

The beautiful Felicia finally transitions at 3:17

Great episode, very depressing but extremely necessary to talk about. I’ve followed Kylie on Twitter for awhile but it was nice to hear her in a full interview on this topic

Felix had to thronify it by saying "the seed rots"

RE Felix’s comments about eugenics, it is actually true that the number of infants born with Down Syndrome is shrinking significantly due to screening and termination. Of course, I don’t believe this is reason to restrict access to abortion under any circumstances and could probably be partially addressed by better disability supports for families; but let’s please not talk about the issue as if it’s a pure invention of the anti-abortion right.

the term “pinkpill” meant something *very* different back in my day, lol

We won’t have human rights until religion is taxed and marginalized.

Remember when we thought Bernie was going to win? Now masked agents for Epstein's Empire and rounding up children and we're running out of diesel...

Great point by Felix about the AMA

This shit is horrifying.

phenomenal discussion. can’t wait to read her book

at around 38:51 Felix brings up how the right used eugenics to argue against abortion a big argument that they used to deploy as well was that abortion constituted black genocide because of how much more likely black women were to get an abortion i wonder why that argument hasn’t stuck around

This one truly boiled my blood. Sharia law might actually treat women better than this, jesus.

Briefly mentioned, but I would emphasize the medical profession being a petit bourgeois enterprise, increasingly focused on profit maximization, is the cause of a lot of the suffering. Look at Kansas Senator Dr. Roger Marshall, an OB-GYN who sued and had arrested many of his impoverished patients, while he collected over $800K a year. (Various Trump tax cut provisions mean such income will be taxed at lower capital gains rate.) The logic of profit maximization means the generally poorer women who need in-state abortions in rural areas will be left to the wolves, even in states where abortion is technically legal. Only with national healthcare, and physicians employed as civil servants, can patients come first.

I know someone who works low level for the AMA. Their current CEO is a former WebMD charlatan who is apparently running it even further into the ground. Membership is not in a great spot

Like I mean like and like and subscribe

Most of the prolife advocates live in the exurbs where they never see minorities or poor people. In their minds they are just pushing legislation down on their grandchildren.

I know a single-issue anti-abortion voter who has had an abortion

Abortion is healthcare. Abortion is normal.

Man I have a lot of thoughts about what I want to do the guy that blackmailed his partner over taking abortion pills that I can’t say here! 😃

Will is a great interviewer, but even more so when he knows the topic is really serious. Great work, Will!

I’m like certain that like this guest is like expert and like doing the work but like it’s like a little hard for like my like autism to like get past her way of like adding the word ‘like’ between like almost every other word.

Really good episode if you wanna be depressed before 10am

Felix begins tongue punching my fart box at 3 mins 17 secs

Horray, I get to feel depressed this morning.

Best chapo episode all year, more of this please

A friend of mine directed a great documentary about the impact of anti abortion laws in the soutb on fertility treatments: https://www.showmetheline.com/. Also fyi Etowah county in Alabama is pronounced "ETTA-wah"

The Democrats think of politics as completely useless if they are not elected, and when elected, they defer to so many other institutions (set up explicitly to stymy them) that they don't get anything done that cannot be reversed by the next Republican wave (caused by their failure to do anything beyond the incremental and easily reversible). That is why a historically unpopular presidency is not leading anywhere other than the comment that it is historically unpopular and welp, hope that's enough. This is also betrayed in their constant pleas for electable candidates - the implication being there is nothing they can or want to do if they lose or if they are in the minority, when historically, movement forward has happened even if you lose the election. I find this point is never brought up enough. By pleading for electability they are covertly telling you, "If I'm not in the seat, then fuck you, forget you."

at first I thought Felix said the MMA activated to fight the public option instead of the AMA lol. but i mean...

You can tell the abortion issue is not really about faith of any kind, because no one opposes it except to the extent that it supports the political and social ideals they need to justify.

I had a moment when Felix started talking and I thought to myself “Wow, this video game podcaster guy has surprisingly good politics”

We love our Matty , folks!

Re: Will’s comment about rights and extradition of doctors practicing telemedicine in other states— to practice telemedicine in another state one needs to [buy] a medicinal license to practice in the state in which the patient resides therefore that’s likely how the anti-choice state rights supersede the pro-choice. Re: Felix and AMA—“Doctoring” has historically been a profession where physicians are also business owners and therefore employers in the sense of having their own private practice so absolutely correct the AMA is a class organ of a petty bourgeois profession. A more modern trend that I think is going to start to come to reverse itself is that physicians are employees and not practice owners. Historically—and currently—a lot is asked of physicians in terms of their time and expertise which is partially I think responsible for the—now faded—inherent respect for anyone holding a doctorate in medicine; if you were a family physician and one of your patients was admitted to the hospital, for example, the physician would actually be the one rounding on you every day in the hospital and in charge of your care. In fact, the specialty of emergency medicine is a relatively new thing and the emergency department used to just be staffed with family practice physicians. Surgeons in private practice would granted privileges at a hospital to operate and admit patients and in return they were expected to take call from the emergency department basically for free meaning that if the emergency department had need to consult a specific surgeon for a patient, the surgeon was required to be within a reasonable response distance, and respond to the emergency department, evaluate the patient, and if no surgery was indicated there was no compensation for that opportunity cost, and it could continue past that to include further daily rounding and monitoring for if the patient’s condition develops into something that didn’t necessitate Surgery, that in the extremely hierarchical nature of healthcare with physicians seem to be at the top of that hierarchy and additionally having a secret, definitive knowledge of the processes concerning life, death, suffering, and health and being the gatekeeper to the resources of addressing such issues obviously impacts the self image of the physicians themselves as much as those around them. That being said, the newer generations of physicians coming out of residency and fellowships, have a distinctly different understanding of the work of being a physician. They want work life balance, and to be able to haven’t spend time with their family and wish to treat the practice of medicine much like any other job where you go to work clock in, do the work, clock out and not have to concern themselves with work when they’re not on the clock. It’s something that I see the older physicians that are now partners with these younger physicians struggle with as they view it as a lack of work ethic or something. Unfortunately, the economic incentives are changing. For example, in Surgery new laws passed will decrease surgeon reimbursement, and increase facility reimbursement for surgical procedures and many of the procedures that are typically the main revenue generators for hospitals like elective joint replacement, Spine Surgery, and other high cost procedures are being coded now as outpatient procedures and payers like Medicare will soon no longer pay for those things to happen in a hospital and require them to happen in Outpatient Surgery centers. This is a problem because those kinds of surgeries basically subsidize much of the other care that’s provided at the hospital, including anyone that is admitted for a medical and not surgical problem. So healthcare systems I think are going to start investing into building more Outpatient Surgery centers likely but at the same time, physicians are going to be reimbursed less which will also drive many to likely move away from being employees of big healthcare system systems, which dominate the landscape at this time and retreat back into private practice groups with Outpatient Surgery centers and Hospital privileging in exchange for taking call for cases that require them to have admitting privileges at Hospital. There is, however, a greater movement for physicians nationwide to unionize, which is encouraging— for at least I choose to see it as encouraging because I feel that doctors collectively are the only group that can really throw enough weight around to counteract Hospital lobby, the AMA, and profit, motivated healthcare in general. But we’ll see.

Ezra Klein is in the Peter Thiel club, isn’t he? Are we all still pretending he’s on the “left”? Or even the centre?

Hell yeah baby Texas remains undefeated as the dumbest place on earth

Felix begins speaking at 3 minutes and 17 seconds

“First do no harm” wasn’t in the Hippocratic Oath. Just saying.

Im ambivalent about the abortion issue. I don't particularly care about the morality of it, my thing is just that if I'm not invited to the party I don't care if it gets shut down.

3.28 for Felix

First post deleted so people don't know Kylie is also a world-renowned James Harden expert. I'm setting the record straight

Did this just get posted twice?

Hey, the title of the episode is also my nickname at work

Thank you Mr. Chop

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