977 - The Next Day feat. Ryan Grim and Jeremy Scahill
Drop Site’s Ryan Grim and Jeremy Scahill return to talk more about the ceasefire deal in Gaza. We discuss what finally led to this moment, whether this ceasefire will be any different than the previous ones, and the future of Gaza, Israel, and the Gulf States. We then turn to the media’s coverage of Gaza: Jeremy’s new story on The Free Press’ “debunking” of the photos of malnourished Gazan children, the news that Douglas Murray and David Frum were writing speeches for an Israeli ambassador, a supposed document from Mohammad Sinwar, and Jacki Karsh’s pro-Israel journalism fellowship.
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Jeremy and Ryan are kinda the only folks, keeping Drop Site honest. Owen Jones was an out-and-out zionist who only changed when he sensed public sentiment shifting. He is an upper-class Oxford graduate who works for New Statesman, The Guardian, The National, and The Independent, along with Drop Site. He's being sued and has a public fund-raiser for his legal fees. He is estimated to be a millionaire. He'll be fine. If you have money to donate to the Drop Site fund for him, you have money for Palestinian humanitarian and relief fund. Him asking for money, that he would still survive just fine without, when those funds could literally save hundreds of lives in Palestine lays bare what a grifter he is. He has no backbone, so he just bends in the direction the wind is blowing. Point is, if you can, support Ryan and Jez directly, but know any money going to DS or OJ could do so much more good, if donated to a litany of Palestinian support charities.
WHY WON’T THIS EPISODE LOAD WHAT ARE YOU KEEPING FROM ME PATREON
One of the current guiding ideas in the US is "my grandchildren are wrong to have empathy and we need the cops to maim, and rape, and murder them about it"
"pissing in the wind" is also a perfect metaphor because so many Israelis are Polish
Great episode! Grim has risen in my estimation a lot in the last 18 months.
Great episode.
We’ve lost dancing
Wonder if drop site will follow this Idaho base and the prevelance of AJ. I did get one or two report style tiktoks from them right when the acquisition was announced. Wondering if van Jones got the same one and thought that was the whole app.
Miriam Adelson has $60 billion in the bank but the Dallas Mavericks wouldn’t pay Luka Doncic.
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The Due Dissidence guys, Russell Dobular and Keaton Weiss recently name-checked Chapo when they were talking about the low #s for racist Uber-Zionist Bari Weiss' Free (sic) Press which the Ghoul Larry Ellison purchased for millions though nobody reads it. She'll be installed at CBS to call for the deaths of more genocide critics like she got Rafeet Al-Areer murdered over a joke. Anyway they pointed out that Chapo has had an actually Left audience of hundreds of thousands for many years while Bari's site was lucky to get 7,500 views and 80 comments for their poison gruel. Chapo is legendary.
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Much confusion around this right now, thank you for helping us find clarity.
It's bad to starve disabled children too? This is really the most sickening take that makes me feel like I'm the crazy one. How do people say shit like that? It's not surprising to see the right turn to brand empathy as satanic
It's great North Americans are being made to suffer Douglas Murry as well
Ryan grim was the original model for the Friday the 13th mask
Do you mean Halloween
I still think they showed Trump the biggest guy in Yemen and Trump thought he looked cool
The whole critique of "objectivity" in journalism circa 2015 was so incredibly counterproductive. Journalism is/should be objective, the issue has always been "activist journalists" ie imperial stenographers
The notion of objective journalism is absurd. The orientation of the camera is subjective(gay/pan). You can't become extremely familiar with significant events and not have a personal opinion/conclusion. You might want to stay out of it, but there is still a sense of right or wrong that will bias reporting.
There are so many great Palestinian journalists we are forever indebted to. Younis Tirawi’s name does not get mentioned nearly enough.
Will could not be more right about the vishi millenial journalist. I graduated from Penn State with a journalism degree in 2024 and have yet to even find a job listing for a reporter that doesn’t require 20 years of experience. I knew it would be hard for me being pro Palestine and graduating during israel’s holocaust, but it’s so bad even the cops reporters I knew had to switch careers. Everyone’s being forced into public relations or public information officers for police departments. It’s gotten so bad I’m working at home sense for $13 an hour as my college debt just keeps growing. We try to write for our own substacks to maintain integrity and not have our words twisted by editors who don’t even know who Shireen Abu Akleh is, but no matter how hard we try to promote ourselves, nobody reads. It just feels like there’s no place for us in AIPAC’s world. The only jobs for kids coming out of college are sales and marketing. Everything else is either a scam or a fake listing.
Being right wing must feel awesome, it would be so great if the worst thing in the world to me was like the cracker barrel logo or something
I think it's actually pretty awful. I used to think they must feel pure and good, but I realize they are constantly at war with their subconscious and the knowledge that they are both morally bankrupt and materially exploited. So they just constantly project their anger and actual physical pain as their bodies crumple onto random events.
Get Ryan on The adam show that would be fun as hell. Grimm is a real one
Jeremy seems to really understand how badly Trump outmaneuvered everyone here and how he saved Netanyahu from himself. Honestly, it would have been better if Kamala was elected just because of how incompetent and feckless she was. No way in hell she could have gotten the gulf Arabs to sign on to pressuring Hamas into accepting an agreement they didn't write.
I assume the negotiations will collapse because Israel always sabotages the peace talks(they have already violated the ceasefire several times), but for now things seem to be looking up.
Oh so Trump is speaking in front of our real president and real Congress?
PHILADELPHIA MENTIONED
genocide: when Palestinians lose another fucking war.
Haven't seen you here in a while. Is the hasbara money drying up now that everyone the world over thinks Israel sucks shit?
these just hamas operatives once removed… they basically say “well hamas told us this!”
It's called journalism numb nuts
Great guests! Ryan and Jeremy, thank you fro your great work!
Hearing Ryan’s dryer going in the background with what is obviously a nickel rattling around inside makes him all that much more relatable
it’s really disgusting to outright hear people like van Jones openly admit that they think if what was happening was simply hidden, then nobody would or should care. That’s what these people think of you, they think you are a thing to be managed.
How are they wrong?
hamas managed to secure release of a guy who raped and killed a kid… hope someone keeps an eye on that one
Man I hate when crimes go unpunished, especially when the brown people do it!!! Grrrr
The Free Press is the most doublespeak-ass name ever
my favorite middle east country Cotter
welcome back
Scahill and Grim are my most reliable sources on the Middle East. Dropsite is a bastion of real journalism.
got some good journos 💘on hereeee xoxo
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Best comment on here by a country mile
It's astonishing taking in the absolute failure of so many countries not lifting a finger for palestinians, especially Turkey.
the NYT/WSJ few bad apples narrative gotta stop
Fired by the bad apples? Worshiping the centers of bourgeois power reproduction doesn't do anyone any good except for the bad people. Maybe I'm holding grimjob & scabhill to too hi a standard....
My tin foil hat bit is the part of me that thinks van Jones never stopped being a maoist, and is basically an accelerationist sabateur.
Now I worry I outed him
Great ep. I too am both scared and excited about the future of mass media and I hope the state is too degenerated to effectively execute the sublimation of revelatory potential in social and alternative media
When I saw a new ep., I started pounding the desk; when I saw who the guests were, I was damn-near hollerin’!
Really great episode
Thanks again boys. Chapo still runnin shit 💁
I disagree with the idea that the US *must* have known that Israel was going to strike Qatar. Granted it's *likely* they did but to say they *must have* is an undue appeal to an authority that has been completely hollowed out. Israelis have been able to act with complete impunity to the point of ransacking intelligence and bugging US bases while the State Department has just lazily shrugged and told the people raising alarms "yeah well they're our greatest ally let them do whatever they want and let it slide." As a State, Israel has lost whatever respect they might have had for the United States as a country that can tell them "no" while at the same time openly holding the people that enable them in contempt. Dont get me wrong I don't buy the right wing cope idea that it was completely out of our hands so America shouldn't be held culpable for their actions. But everything we know about the way the Israelis are allowed to act suggests that it's entire possible Israel got a little too bold about what they think they're able to get away with and anyone at CENTCOM who might have noticed and raised an alarm are so used to getting told to look the other way on what they're doing that it just slipped by with minimum US involvement. Also at the end of the day, I feel like we don't place enough stock in the personal figures of Netanyahu and how he views an impressionable idiot like Trump or a senile committed Zionist like Biden. There's a personal element there, where I really get the sense that Bibi often thinks "why would I need to go through these guys at all anymore? If anything I should be the one calling the shots in all this, and they've basically let me do that until now anyway." If Trump really did push this through because of the strike on Qatar, it's not because he actually gives a fuck about Qatar or our strategic interests there. It'd be because he feels like it was a *personal* mistep that Netanyahu took to challenge his image and authority along with his personal business interests.
Yeah, I roughly agree with this take- while it is *likely* that the admin knew of the attacks in advance, I leave room for the fact that the challenges of logistics and grand strategy make it possible that an attack on Qatar legitimately flew under the radar. Incompetence and lack of vigilance with regard to Israel for the reasons you described does result in shit like a dumbass attack on a key US ally.
The Frum Dumpster story!
You can't wait an hour to do your laundry??
I thought it was the score from Terminator.
There’s a non-zero chance the Wagner Group is hired to do “peacekeeping” in Gaza.
Have you said thank you to President Trump for stopping 8 wars since January??????
Mr. President, stop sucking the ambassador's dick
I’ll tell you this much; I’m not straight.
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I clicked on the notification SO HARD I think actually just broke my finger. Oh well, new Chapo’s out, gonna listen to it on the way to the ER!
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