969 - Pablo Torre Fucks Around and Finds Out feat. Pablo Torre (9/15/25)
In today’s two-parter, we start off with more coverage of the assassination of Charlie Kirk: what it means, possible motives, and the tidal wave of right-wing cancel culture it has wrought. Will then interviews journalist Pablo Torre of Pablo Torre Finds Out about recently unearthed collusion in the NFL, with a story that starts with Deshaun Watson and goes all the way up to the Carlyle Group and Hollywood pedophilia. What can a conflict between millionaire jocks and billionaire owners tell us about American labor relations? And why is Kawhi Leonard getting paid $28 million to plant trees?
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Comments (267)
Great interview capped with Prefab Sprout outro ❤️❤️❤️
I never was expecting a Paddy-Chapo intersection (but i probably shoukd have).
Bryce Harper mentioned
If Jimmy Kimmel is the only cost of greasing Charlie Kirk, then I am willing to sacrifice the entire cast of SNL to take out the Triggernometry douchebags.
Disappointed no one named Eric Adams as an unvarnished political icon. If he passed in an air balloon accident, we would all be tweeting that NYC is the Valhalla of America
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HOW DARE YOU INSINUATE THAT I DO NOT KNOW BALL SIR, WILLIAM MENAKER YOU WILL BE HEARING FROM MY LAWYERS
As a zoomer Spencer’s inclusion here makes me feel seen and heard
i'm a SAG-AFTRA member. david white is also the piece of shit who took healthcare away from 75% of the SAG-AFTRA membership by raising the minimum earnings requirement a month into the pandemic.
More sports please!
Is it bad that I knew most of those meme references and found them funny? 😆
Yes.
I love it, but it cannot be understated how much the rise in fantasy sports has contributed to the adoption of managerial views among sports fans. And now with sports better getting insanely accessible, we're seeing an extra level of anti-player/dehumanizing knock-on effects were players can now directly harm a fan (in a betting fan's mind)
In regard to the discourse on Kirk’s death: “They’re so bereft of dignity, that they can’t even stand up for themselves. They cringe before the blow has even landed”. Also, “You will do anything to-in your mind bring the temperature down so things can be normal enough so you can have these interminable debates with a guy like that. I mean in some ways it’s kind of wishful thinking, that things are still going be normal enough. That this is still going to be electoral politics as they existed in the previous 60 years before this-for you to be able to do that”. Chapo gold 👌
Spencer’s description of a meme kid is so spot on real zoomers know.
where’s the latest metal gear solid ep? is Brenden okay?
THIS IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW
Great episode more sports talk please
Spencer-Chris-Will episode ASAP PLEASE.
Zoomer Chapo Boy Slave was awful.
Hard disagree, very delightful
Vikings need Kash Pat and Charlie so they have someone to rape and torture for all eternity. So that tracks I guess. Every professional sports league should push for at MINIMUM 51/50 split of every team. Meaning players get 51% ownership and owner gets 50%. Players should be picking their own coaches and doctors, and arguably picking their own teammates. They're grown adults at the top of their game and should be making the decisions to optimize their performance.
I think you mean 51/49 split, no?
Maybe no live shows for a year or so
Yo, I have to disagree about Kirk’s influences. I’ve been listening to Laura Ingram, Rush, Mark Levin, Hugh Hewitt, Michael Savage and D Prager since I was 7 and I’m normal with it! The Protocols were real, but Zionist operators defeated them just prior to Vatican II, when musicals became WOKE. Feminism was only good when it was practiced in Rhodesia also.
I mean he was just a vaguely left wing extremely irony / meme poisoned retard who got a gun and shot a political figure. This country churns guys like this out at the rate of a ford factory assembly line.
Favorite podcast meets favorite new podcast
Needle drop at end??
"I Never Play Basketball Now" by Prefab Sprout
The organized firing of Charlie Kirk critics is obviously a dry run when Trump dies because there’s gonna be a three week parade when he’s gone
..Did they not see the messages? lol
This episode rocked
Tyler Robinson’s ideology was that he was a big fan of Borderlands’ writing
"Charlie youve impressed me more than jesus christ, my son and also me" -god
The ‘meme kid’ kid they described sounded like Brandon Wardell
Its ya boy...uh...skinny penis
big sports fan listener checking in. we’re the true saxons rising.
The coordinated response kind of gives the game away
peter brady felix
Mina on Chapo when
She's too much of a lib to come on chapo
This Spencer kid popped up out of nowhere and dropped some fucking gems, let’s hear from him more often
here here!
How do u know about weird Mormon sons Felix
That's all Mormon men and boys.
I can’t wait for Pablo Torre to find out the thrill of flying a MiG 21 on DCS with Felix
We now need youth translators for real.
Facts.
Michal S. Judge has an unlocked episode about them: https://www.patreon.com/posts/254-ballz-on-138727254
I was fully prepared for a full ep about Balmer/Kawhi, that better be coming
No way I'm the only person to make this point, but just on the notion of Kirk as this avatar of morally courageous, intellectually rigorous debate? I'm sorry, but we all heard the last sentence he ever uttered, which was a rhetorical question signalling his refusal to engage with the substantive point raised by his interlocutor - a statistics-based rebuttal of the disgusting lie Kirk had been promulgating, this demonstrably-false notion of a marked propensity for violence among trans people. That was a lie - that was not a false belief Kirk possessed, it was a conscious, wilful lie, that Kirk gleefully promulgated. Because that's the sort of person he was. He didn't care if the things he said were true, he cared if they might cause upset, distress and with any luck, actual harm to the vast swathe of minorities he spent his entire life expressing through words and evincing by action his disdain, contempt and loathing for. He was an utterly reprehensible piece of shit, and the flip-side to the undeniable fact that being a piece of shit doesn't mean you should get murdered is that catching a bullet doesn't make you a great guy. He was very much not a great guy.
Was that an umphrey’s transition?
The music before Pablo? It's Roundabout by Yes
Getting clapped while sitting and daintily holding a mic DOES NOT qualify you for Valhalla
why aren’t espn and all the other sports networks reporting on the nflpa ownership and kawhi leonard no show job stories with the urgency and weight they deserve? thank you both for being some of the only people actually committed to journalism left in this country
Most of them are in bed with the leagues and the owners. ESPN has huge business with the NFL and the NBA, no way they'd risk upsetting them.
I fucking love Pablo Torre
and Bryce Harper
the do you know da way and big chungus jokes were so good. i feel like i’m back in trigonometry as one kid says stop using the r word to a kid who says they identify as an apache helicopter
My tennis elbow got 2% worse as I read this joke.
YOU DON'T WANT THE SMOKE
READ THE BOOK OF MORMON
Shout out Chris for that Yes needle drop
I think Chris is on paternity leave, brother
Mormons will replace us. They just want it more
They have the drive and attitude of immigrants combined with white privilege
Bolsanaro is going to die in a botched raid by Oakleys Truck Rant guys. They pull up to whatever minimum security spa thing Lula sent him to and just level the place with mortars when they think the operation is compromised because the first security guard is kind of confused about them
bruh i been listening to yall since 2016 and just last week understood what a groyped up shawty means
the first ever cum town character shooter
Felix is right they’re definitely framing this kid
Would love to hear you guys take a look at the lawsuit between NASCAR and its teams that's ongoing right now. NASCAR's version of franchises are "charters", which guarantee teams a starting spot in all 36 races and increases race payouts to chartered teams. 2 teams (including a team owned by Michael Jordan) consisting of 6 cars/charters total are suing NASCAR for being an anticompetitive sanctioning body and forcing teams to sign the new charter agreement. NASCAR has a long history of being anti union and this lawsuit might disrupt the entire sport. Cheers lads
Cheers lads? You spent 3 paragraphs tOking boot NASCAR and you end with cheers lads? We have Formula 1 sensibilities here chap.
gunna crush some wings to this, thanks boys
Bomani next?
episode 704
Loved the nfl story. But Pablo’s framing of the NBA story did seem to continue the Kawhi pile-on since he’s struggled with injury lately. Steve Ballmer is complicit in genocide re: his MSFT leadership and we’re focusing on this stupid $30 million that for once will end up in the hands of one of his workers. It’s a such a lib rule-follower thing to make fuss about
Professional football and basketball players are petit bourgeois in social status, tho their actual salaries may not reflect it. As such there is no collective sentiment among them and their labor politics are shallow at best.
They might as well be police unions. Except useless ass police unions have members that may actually accidentally help their wider community. The best these athletes do for others are the weird Oprah-style projects for kids that always end up being money laundering schemes
prefab sprout hell yeah
fuck yea
I've completely checked out of sports because of all this sideshow bullshit that seems to have sidelined the sport itself. Fans now want to be the front office? fuck, that's bleak, disgusting, I'm out
the nba is rigged and a shit product now
I am unsure what reason you all will never the describe the trump admin as fascist. What is it missing that limits it to “pseudofascist”?
words don’t fucking mean anything anymore lol
Will, thank you for pointing out that dude was just a podcaster. Felt like I was going insane
We should all be happy president Mullen was not implicated in all this.
Love that people are saying investigative journalism is snitching. 😂😂😂
The Chapo zoomer employee was pretty funny
He sounds much older and mature than Felix. Maybe his uncle?
Not naming my sources but Deshaun Watson contracted a local Cleveland business to make an addition to his house. The addition was a secret room accessed in the stairwell and was named “The Play Room” 🤮. He flaked on the deal of course.
between him, judkins, and isaiah bond, that browns offense has the same rapist to non rapist ratio as the trump admin
I think Kirk got booed in Nola cause it's a majority black city and Kirk was first and foremost a white nationalist. All those HBCU getting threats plus a fucking kid got lynched at Delta State yesterday, this whole thing seems to be breaking along fundamentally white supremacist lines
Yep Chapo was implying this.
Great episode! NFL fan/Chapo listers are here!
With this shooter profile, it’s really possible that he killed Charlie Kirk because of the South Park episode.
Utahn here, and I only subscribed last year. Maybe I’m only nine years behind?
We'll get you the orientation packet
are chapo listeners really that anti-sportsball? i love sportsball!
Really regret not unleasing my Honda accord during zirp
Spencer? New character alert! ❤️
I learned not to trust a Mr. Howell from Gilligan's Island
Krash Patel
The NFL owners know that the players will never strike again and if they do they’ll have enough scabs cross the picket line like Joe Montana in 87 to make it a failure anyway
Lol I told Pablo to go on Chapo in the comments bof his last video lol.
The booing in New Orleans obviously Nathan J. Robinson’s influence on the city showing.
I once saw him walking down Dauphine St in the French Quarter, he was wearing a lime-green waistcoat in August but he looked genuinely so at home. Probably the only neighborhood in America a character like him isn't too weird.
Fucking awesome to see, my school UVU on national news, and Elder TikTok went to high school with me 😭😭😭
Does his current path make sense to you based on previous knowledge
Aw man I figured Torre was on today specifically to talk about the Kawhi Leonard thing
“The horrifying thing to me is that like the instinct to like go live and up your brand like 5 seconds after seeing a brutal murder or assassination is to me telling as to the motive of the person who pulled the trigger in the first place”. Chapo gold 👌
In defense of Trump on the whole "couldn't give a fuck about his friend Charlie Kirk dying" thing... Trump really only ever had one true friend and he tragically killed himself in 2019.
Then he lost Stan Chera the next year...
Hes Horse-gums Wessel
"if u r reading this, u r gay"
Thank God finally
In Utah there’s always a Mormon connection
I was always baffled now one tried to sign Lamar, don’t know why I didnt immediately feel out any type of owner collusion lol
why to baltimore tho? cus baltimore is black?
More interesting to me is that Kirk was one of the leading conservatives critical of Israel, especially recently. With him gone the America first contingent of MAGA falls much more fully in line with Zionism. There was a definitely a window where guys like Kirk, Tucker, and Nick Fuentes etc were pushing away especially in light of grisly details in Gaza and the Epstein releases. Doesn't seem likely now after Kirk gets his throat exploded by what I'm sure was a disturbed kid acting alone.
I dig Spencer
Nice roundabout
Was that a Jojo reference
No! No! No!
Speaking of movie mindset, Criterion Channel now has the Robert Altman collection, and I've seen his underrated Prêt-à-Porter. In that movie, Kim Basinger plays a daffy fashion correspondent with an annoying overdone southern accent. Altman shows how this lady, even as half the fashion people roll their eyes at her, is not only covering the fashion industry but is the fashion industry itself, as fashion needs something self-aware and self-referential to justify its lofty place in our society. The movie is two hours of her trying to cover people who seem too wrapped up in themselves and their places in the industry to interact in normal ways with other human beings. We're now at the same place with online conservatism. The Elder guy is Kim Basinger, and everything else -- from the too-online groyper assassin, to the stagey widow's lament, the lack of real grief from basically anyone, the unqualified online FBI director hire, and Kirk's rigged debate format -- is a weird self-referential absurdist play that doesn't really seem to be happening and can't bring any satisfaction to any of the participants.
The funniest thing I’ve ever heard was Kash saying they found and lost the shooters manifesto chefs kiss
I think my "Not cooperating" they mean "He isn't confessing to being a left winger and keeps saying "Heil Trump".
Or he keeps repeating to them that he’s gay and his dick is small
Loved seeing Pablo on here, awesome interview
The fucking Yes transition lol
Yes fucking rules! And, sticking to prog, will Felix ever get to interview Our Lord Jesus Christ aka Roger Waters?
Does the sports part end before the rest of the episode and when if so?
Bring on Wilbon next! I-95 BIAS
So, the shooter is the one person in the world that understands all of the references in Ssethtzeentach videos
Let's get this specer fella on the pod more
can confirm, as someone who’s really not into sports that was a super interesting segment! hope y’all have him back!
You guys really do not have any black friends, huh? 😆. New Orleans is mainly black folk and the black community knows Kirk very well. I think that explains the booing at the Saints game, honestly. I’m just joking at the top. You could be very right that it’s more very sick of politics kind of normies thing.
Let a million Matt Christmans bloom
Looking forward to Nation of Islam Matt. I think he'd be good to hang with
Charlie Kirk wearing rags and shivering in the snow: please sir, please debate me....I just want to debate.... Bill Packman, screaming: HE JUST WANTS TO DEBATE WHATS WRONG WITH YOU
LMAO at the music cue after part one
THAT’S WHAT I’M SAYING
RIP Dudu Bolsonaro, gone but not forgotten
Raptors said I’ll see you in Sovngarde Kawhi Leonard
“I’ll see you in Sovngarde, brother Nord.”
I can't believe this crossover between my only two interests, left wing politics critique and NBA drama
seriously, what is it with professional athletes and trying to fuck masseuses? These are guys that are worth tens, hundreds of millions of dollars, they’re jacked, they’re famous, why can’t they get pussy in a normal way? What the fuck is wrong with these guys? Do they like all have a fetish for this? what is going on?
Groyped up shawty pull up to your college yah yah yah
Roundabout 🎶
"meme kid" seems to describe Elon musks behavior for the last decade to a T so once again we can blame 4chan for this
wild crossover, very cool
Here lies Charlie Kirk: killed by a white guy, swiftly forgotten by trump
There is no Spencer, Chris is on The Substance folks ⚗️🧪💉
Eldertiktok constantly interjecting "its ya boy" sounds like the skit before "Tearz" playing out in real life. "AHHHH NO NO NOMSAYIN NO NO NO"
At this point isn't it pretty obvious the shooter was a left-leaning young person who hated Kirk for obvious reasons? Probably not in a formalized rigorously researched way, just hated him like everyone else? Maybe it does need to be said more often that assassinations aren't politically useful. The Russian SRs certainly tried and failed to use assassinations to gain power
Lol not if you've looked into it at all
You probably get these political assassins with indecipherable politics from all the times a guy died and it "just made a million more" of that guy. If that happens every time then statistically speaking at least one dude has had his hard drive wiped to become a new dude like 5 times. He's probably got fragments of new guy data floating around contradicting the other 4 guys. Very bad
On the flipside of Eldertiktok, did you see the English guy who went on a motorcycle cycle tour and ended up an on the ground journalist during the protests in Nepal?
On god 🙏🏻 this is not a joke 💀 shots fired at Charlie Kirk 🔫 like and subscribe below 👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻
Brendans back!
Subscriber in Serbia!
Big wos gonna be so sad when he sees Pablo made it on chapo first
How is this even possible? My fellow Wosheads we must do better.
Shout out to Spencer. We need more. Great riffing and he nailed the landing with the Taxi Driver bit. Also, sounds like the folks calling Mr. Torre a snitch are just future scabs.
What’s the song at the end? Is that prefab sprout?
Prefab Sprout - I Never Play Basketball Now
Pablo is a GOAT. favorite journb,falmost a decade ago when he started at ESPN
Got to say it’s unfortunate the Eagles were on the road this Sunday. Could you imagine how the fans who booed Santa Claus would respond to kickoff being delayed so Charlie Kirk could be memorialized…
That would spark a civil war
Spit water out at the “do you know de wey” reference
Donald Trump just gave everyone the perfect comeback to anyone complaining about people not properly paying homage to Charlie Kirk. “Yeah, but what about the new White House ballroom.”
ill-uh-struh-tive what the fuck felix
Also for part 2, gambling will align every day people with owners. Robert Kraft and Steve Balmer never blew a parlay and so are obviously not overpaid
jesus christ, irl shitposting by killing a guy
Felix begins speaking at 3 minutes and 8 seconds tonight guys.
🫡
The motive is obvious, he did it to impress Sailor Socialism thus providing zero insight into his politics
As one of several people I know who had gay sex with NFuenties… you are correct
A laughable phrase used in media is that "there's no room for political violence in America". Political violence by the state is the everyday reality in the US and they made shitload of room for it. May as well be saying that inside the elevator scene in the shining
Eldertiktok was the most Connor O’Malley shit I’ve ever seen.
Let’s say the suspect did fire the shot. I’m confused by people claiming he’s not a groyper. This guy was into groyper memes, I don’t see how he could be anything other than a groyper.
Groyper is a specific subcategory of a meme frog guy, more on a vile and disgusting meme spectrum then harambe enjoyers, they might be merging these days but the difference is still there
In the case of Colin Kaepernick there was always a lot of speculation that NFL ownership colluded to prevent him from being able to sign with a team. However, given the way that things were reported here, it sounds like the speculation has an even stronger basis. The whole issue regarding the salary cap is another matter. From a fan perspective it is a good thing that small market teams are able to compete with large market teams -- NFL is also in a unique situation because of the importance of the national TV deals. The thing that really screws NFL Players is the partially guaranteed contract. e.g. the only portion that is usually guaranteed is the signing bonus.
I think it’s basically proven that the league conspired against Kaepernick given that when he sued the league they settled fairly quick.
Charlie Kirk is actually still alive and being protected by the FBI, Kash meant to say “see you in Virginia”
several chat bots including grok and claude agree with you, apparently
25:50 as a sincere, believing Christian, yeah, I find that to be bullshit. Jesus would have flipped charlie kirk’s debate table
Do you read Sutter Pepe!?
We need Pablo to investigate the Jalen Brunson contract
Would be hilarious if Hunter fucked Charlie's wife. Maybe that could bridge the division. Perhaps God had Charlie killed to get his autograph because he peaked.
Thank you for not deafening us with the opening cymbal crash
Amazing interview
my baseball team was recently purchased by a Carlyle group founder who proceeded to have a bobblehead day for himself as the team cratered early in the season.
I heard that guy also did 9/11. Still not as bad as Orioles offseason
Felix asking who our leftist hero is… it’s Matt dude.
Jojo music for the show spilt. Hell yeah.
They're called Yes. It's called Beautiful People/Round About or some shit. Show some respect. Fuckin anime degens.
28 minutes or so and instantly an all-timer lollll
pablo is awesome looking forward to his return (knock on wood lol)
a labor relations point on why its good to investigate the ballmer/kawhi thing: i once negotiated a contract where they wanted to bring in a #2 who cost more than the current contract allowed. They didnt want to negotiate so they just hired him and paid him more. We complained, people wondered why we wanted to get someone paid less. We made a deal for him to get paid what they wanted to pay him, but they also had to pay some useless fucks more too. W for the union
The kid did it because he played Burger Time on the NES
Pablo Torre, David Roth, Jon Bois, PFTCommenter... Chapo gets some excellent guests when it's time to talk sports.
Don’t forget Bomani Jones
Ok ok I can appreciate this crossover. You got some fans that know ball
the guy they arrested may have been involved (knowingly or not), but there's 0 reason to think he fired that shot
I find it strange that people are just assuming that this guy did it. Maybe I missed it, but the evidence seems to be that he was (maybe) there and his (potentially wackjob) parents think he confessed to them.
Is there a sports that isn't a masonic ritual?
Lfg Spencer gotta love Spencer
Spencer's chill
Don't you have to die in battle to go to Valhalla? Is Kash predicting his own heroic fall?
Heroic? Charlie belongs there as much as a midwife killed in the opening of a night raid.
gods bless you Mr. Chapo ✊🏻
Sometimes i feel old but then i am presented with how the younger generation is turning out and then I don’t feel so bad
Let's make the gen z correspondent a recurring segment
life isnt about waiting for the storm to pass it's about learning to dance in line for the gas chamber 🫶
Was that a JoJo reference?
You tried to kill Virgil Texas but you only made him stronger. Watch this space in 2026. I am Virgil ✊
Hey Will, we absolutely lowered flags for Melissa and Mark Hortman. https://mn.gov/governor/newsroom/press-releases/?id=1055-693641
Correct: Governor Tim Walz has ordered all U.S. and state flags to be flown at half-staff at all state buildings in honor of Melissa Hortman Read More: Minnesota Flags Lowered To Honor Melissa Hortman After Tragedy | https://wjon.com/minnesota-flags-half-staff/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral
Tyler was from St. George Utah, in the fallout shadow of Nevada, he’s a microwaved American fr
FBI: why did you do this? Me: Harambe. When the walls fell. Chungus and Pepe at Taranga
Dat boi, wit dat indictment. O lawd.
with Spencer, did Chris just decant a younger clone of himself to rule in his stead?
LFG
Incredible get. I shall put on my special bib before I indulge on this premium slop.
DEATH CORNER
Valhalla has every cereal
PTFO x Chapo is special
There is a sex pest in the chapo chat
I’m going to plant a tree because of this
My mind p
Nice. thanks fellas
GOATblo Torre interview, incredible things are happening in Chapo, folks.
Mark Cuban is next
Pablo should be an honorary trapper
Im around the same age as Spencer and I think it's important to note that these meme kids always had bad breath and when they came over to show you some stupid shit on their phone you would instinctively start breathing thru your mouth
So he is a leftist
Brain Rot = Third Way 🤪
Pablo go on chapo
YOOOOOOOOOOOO
I USED TO PRAY FOR TIMES LIKE THIS
Woah let’s fucking gooo amazing get
Great minds think alike—Death Is Just Around The Corner dropped an excellent episode a few days ago that went deep into the Leonard stuff
Michael also goes more in-depth into the Uncle Magic aspect of the Kawhi Leonard deal, which is a shocking omission on Will's part
Didn’t see this happening, but hell yes
We inch ever closer to the Mina episode
🙏
Hell yeah. Pablo rules
Yesssss Pablo. Mina Kimes episode guest spot when?
there is literally no left in american politics.
brainy
Is this the Pablo Torre who transferred from Barcelona to Mallorca in La Liga recently?
WOAH
Weird, just watched Pablo Torre's interview with Jon Bois today. Nice guest!
Oh hyellll yazzzz
I’ll see you in Valhalla
I'll see you in Valhalla
*intense staring and deep breathing*
Oh boy oh boy an extra scoop of slop tonight
Pablo!!
Ninth!
How close are we to the Stephen A episode now?
calm down bro
Insane cross over
Insane Cross Posse presents Politics, how do they work!?
Lfg chapo sports coverage
First and fuck yes
Couldn't be here faster
